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Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 978	Posted - 2012.05.31 04:34:00 - [61] - Quote Thor Kerrigan wrote: no risk = no reward. Safe systems like these can only exist if they yield absolutely no profit. But they already exist: they are called EVE Online Forums. OOOOOHHHH Good one Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Thor Kerrigan Guardians of Asceticism 64	Posted - 2012.05.31 04:46:00 - [62] - Quote Drax Dremal wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: Oh look, another goon alt thread. Im not a goon alt. I would never be part of something that will destroy EVE. Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?
Thor Kerrigan Guardians of Asceticism 64	Posted - 2012.05.31 04:50:00 - [63] - Quote Cutter Isaacson wrote: masternerdguy wrote: Much like real world police concord provides consequences not protection. False analogy, real world police also take preventative measures, concord does not. But they do. Gate guns. They make ganking on Gates/Stations (areas most prone to ganking otherwise) much, much harder. NPC police already chases you when your sec is low enough. You can bump CONCORD prevention but they will bump NPC tax rate :P. Not sure bears will like a 50% tax rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 978	Posted - 2012.05.31 04:52:00 - [64] - Quote Thor Kerrigan wrote: But they do. Gate guns. They make ganking on Gates/Stations (areas most prone to ganking otherwise) much, much harder. NPC police already chases you when your sec is low enough. You can bump CONCORD prevention but they will bump NPC tax rate :P. Not sure bears will like a 50% tax rate. I guess they'd love a police state Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Thor Kerrigan Guardians of Asceticism 64	Posted - 2012.05.31 04:54:00 - [65] - Quote Drax Dremal wrote: Thor Kerrigan wrote: no risk = no reward. Safe systems like these can only exist if they yield absolutely no profit. But they already exist: they are called EVE Online Forums. 1.0 and .9 systems in EVE give very low profit. Thats why players move to lower systems. But since they yield something, there is some risk, but very low. Surely you must agree. /thread
Samantha Utama Caldari Provisions Caldari State 66	Posted - 2012.05.31 05:38:00 - [66] - Quote Drax Dremal wrote: Goonswarm you want to take away high sec from carebears well carebears would like CCP to take away high sec from you!! FTFY
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1448	Posted - 2012.05.31 05:42:00 - [67] - Quote Drax Dremal wrote: A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill I guess things are quiet out in nullsec, that can be the only explanation for this flood of bad posts on the forums.
Spikeflach Echo's of Liberty Dominatus Atrum Mortis 22	Posted - 2012.05.31 05:47:00 - [68] - Quote Henry Haphorn wrote: My god, did all of the WoW and Hello Kitty Online players sudden decide to flood Eve Online with their entitlement issues? People are tired of the ganking crap that is going on. Lots of people actually enjoy the PvE aspects of eve and the ganking detracts from a persons ability to play eve how they would like. Large alliances are trying harder than ever to push their ideals of their way being the correct way to play eve instead of players playing eve how they would like. And, you know, where else would all these hi-sec dwellers go to rally up people who are tired of all the crap?
Cutter Isaacson Peace N Quiet 180	Posted - 2012.05.31 05:51:00 - [69] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Cutter Isaacson wrote: False analogy, real world police also take preventative measures, concord does not. If you think of hisec as America you're kind of wrong it's more like Somalia and CONCORD are the UN peacekeepers Learn to read. His analogy did not specify location of said police, thus his analogy was wrong, and you are wrong. I however am still correct. CCP, WHEN AM I GOING TO GET MY CORP BACK? KINDA WANT MY STUFF BACK FROM THE HANGARS.
Cutter Isaacson Peace N Quiet 181	Posted - 2012.05.31 06:03:00 - [70] - Quote Thor Kerrigan wrote: Cutter Isaacson wrote: masternerdguy wrote: Much like real world police concord provides consequences not protection. False analogy, real world police also take preventative measures, concord does not. But they do. Gate guns. They make ganking on Gates/Stations (areas most prone to ganking otherwise) much, much harder. NPC police already chases you when your sec is low enough. You can bump CONCORD prevention but they will bump NPC tax rate :P. Not sure bears will like a 50% tax rate. Do you even understand what an analogy is and what I was saying to the other guy? Learn the meaning of the word "preventative" and it's application in my original statement. CCP, WHEN AM I GOING TO GET MY CORP BACK? KINDA WANT MY STUFF BACK FROM THE HANGARS.
Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 1492	Posted - 2012.05.31 06:12:00 - [71] - Quote Thor Kerrigan wrote: no risk = no reward. Safe systems like these can only exist if they yield absolutely no profit. But they already exist: they are called EVE Online Forums. I lolled... Hi-sec has reward?
InternetSpaceship GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 14	Posted - 2012.05.31 06:34:00 - [72] - Quote Drax Dremal wrote: Removing combat from 1.0 and .9 space will give the new players a chance to enjoy the game and give players who dont want combat a place of peace. Goonswarm you want to take away high sec from carebears well carebears would like to take away high sec from you!! A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill Why should ccp play the game for you? I'll ask again, why not form a corp to take us on yourself? Surely you can find enougj people who want us gone. Why do you insist on ccp catering only to your playstyle? Seriously, you want us out of highsec, do it yourself you lazy ass. Don't go crying to CCP. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation. If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Josef Djugashvilis The Scope Gallente Federation 252	Posted - 2012.05.31 06:35:00 - [73] - Quote [quote=Drax Dremal Im not a goon alt. I would never be part of something that will destroy EVE.[/quote] But your suggestion would destroy Eve. You want fries with that?
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 980	Posted - 2012.05.31 06:37:00 - [74] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Drax Dremal wrote: Im not a goon alt. I would never be part of something that will destroy EVE. But your suggestion would destroy Eve. He isn't in CCP. Wait, I mean goons. No wait. He's on these forums, that must be what you mean. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Tarryn Nightstorm Hellstar Towing and Recovery 388	Posted - 2012.05.31 07:44:00 - [75] - Quote Drax Dremal wrote: Removing combat from 1.0 and .9 space will give the new players a chance to enjoy the game and give players who dont want combat a place of peace. Goonswarm you want to take away high sec from carebears well carebears would like to take away high sec from you!! A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill For ***'s sakes... Another* one Just what the Hell did you think you were getting into when you hit "Download client," anyway? This is not a multi-sharded game with PvE-only and PvP shards. This is not a game with well-developed PvE content to balance the lack of PvP on a PvE-only shard. This is not a game for carebears who feel entitled to doing what they want completely risk-free!!! Get the god-damned message, already, I really don't see what is so frigging hard about this! In irae, veritas.
Tarryn Nightstorm Hellstar Towing and Recovery 388	Posted - 2012.05.31 07:51:00 - [76] - Quote Tippia wrote: -GêP/10. Worst troll ever. Maybe so, but for every one blatant troll spewing this rubbish, you just know there are 100 disgusting, disgusting over-entitled little whiners who actually believe and want this, and who seem convinced that they're going to get it if they just squeal long/loud enough. This is a problem, given that CCP must remain profitable for there to even be an EVE. E: Where did all these carebear parasites come from? I don't remember there being this many until about the last year, year and a half or so. Why now, and why relatively suddenly? In irae, veritas.
Nirnias Stirrum Tr0pa de elite. Against ALL Authorities 180	Posted - 2012.05.31 08:18:00 - [77] - Quote Drax Dremal wrote: Removing combat from 1.0 and .9 space will give the new players a chance to enjoy the game and give players who dont want combat a place of peace. Goonswarm you want to take away high sec from carebears well carebears would like to take away high sec from you!! A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill I lol'd
Aodha Khan Blood Cabal 19	Posted - 2012.05.31 08:37:00 - [78] - Quote No. This is Eve not WoW or Hello Kitty. Go back there is you want to be safe. _____________________________________________________ Power is not something that is granted - it is something to be taken.
Yonis Kador Transstellar Alchemy 96	Posted - 2012.05.31 08:40:00 - [79] - Quote Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: Tippia wrote: -GêP/10. Worst troll ever. Maybe so, but for every one blatant troll spewing this rubbish, you just know there are 100 ... over-entitled little whiners who actually believe and want this, and who seem convinced that they're going to get it if they just squeal long/loud enough. This is a problem, given that CCP must remain profitable for there to even be an EVE. If it ever really came to that and the viability of the game were at stake, I'm pretty sure CCP would save EVE at any cost. All other considerations are obviously secondary to the game's preservation. I think it unlikely though. Miners have always complained about ganks - and high-sec mining continues. Gankers have always taken what they want. It's classic altruistic and selfish behavior patterns and ultimately both are successful evolutionary strategies. Richard Dawkins could have a field day with this game. Altering the balance of power could be done temporarily in an attempt to alter gamers' playstyles, but it couldn't work as a long-term solution. (It would be a he77 of a note though, if the powers that be had to institute a "season" on hulk hunting because the wolves were eating too many sheep.) Making any area of the game permanently 100 percent secure would irrevocably damage the sandbox concept this game is founded upon. If you tried to increase resources in low to lure gankers away, you'd only be making that demographic even more wealthy/powerful and once you cave in to the demands of industrialists, there's nothing to stop them from just demanding something else. Either is a losing strategy. In making the hard choices of an endgame scenario, no matter what CCP would do, someone will be dissatisfied. But that's politics. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that on some whiteboard in CCP hq, someone has already long ago dreamt up these armageddon scenarios and brainstormed possible contingencies. The safest course of action (imo) is just to develop a system that is fair and balanced, give participants a true voice in their governence, only intervene in times of extreme danger to the game's viability, and just let the players do what they will. No one's path in this game is set and regardless of the rules, it will always be players' own choices which determine their experience. Yonis Kador
Thor Kerrigan Guardians of Asceticism 68	Posted - 2012.05.31 09:34:00 - [80] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: Thor Kerrigan wrote: no risk = no reward. Safe systems like these can only exist if they yield absolutely no profit. But they already exist: they are called EVE Online Forums. I lolled... Hi-sec has reward? ~80% of eve characters apparently think so But in all seriousness, it does. It has enough rewards to pay for a PLEX with an average amount of effort. And being able to afford a PLEX seems to be the real reason people feel entitled to their opinion on what is fair. Everyone feels their activities should earn them a PLEX each month and complain when said activities are disrupted. Examples: nerfing AFK cloaking, suicide ganking, moving level 4's out of highsec, nerfing highsec incursions, nerfing sanctums... This mentality is worst in highsec where people are not used to better rewards yet fly more expensive ships thinking being in hi-sec will protect their investment. The grind to acquire said goods is therefore longer in highsec which causes an even greater pain when loosing it.
nat longshot New Eden Inc. 21	Posted - 2012.05.31 09:36:00 - [81] - Quote Andoria Thara wrote: Haldor Rune wrote: How the **** will I mission without combat in 1.0 and 0.9? all missions should be in lowsec... right? no thats just level 5 and some odd missions that take you there.
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 109	Posted - 2012.05.31 09:37:00 - [82] - Quote 0/10, why don't you go play other game? If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it.
nat longshot New Eden Inc. 21	Posted - 2012.05.31 09:38:00 - [83] - Quote all i can say is LOL's to this one
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Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 127	Posted - 2012.05.31 09:43:00 - [85] - Quote The only systems where you reasonably might take away the ability to PvP are the noob systems. But ganking there is already against the rules, so I don't really see the point. Gallente is what America believes itself to be. Caldari is how America is in reality.
Virgil Travis GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated 246	Posted - 2012.05.31 09:55:00 - [86] - Quote Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: Just what the Hell did you think you were getting into when you hit "Download client," anyway? This is not a multi-sharded game with PvE-only and PvP shards. This is not a game with well-developed PvE content to balance the lack of PvP on a PvE-only shard. This is not a game for carebears who feel entitled to doing what they want completely risk-free!!! This x1000. I'll back any carebear that has the teeth and balls to deal with the game as CCP implemented it, they're out there but it seems the population of EVE is being seeded with the entitlement crowd that seem to have drifted in from other games that hold your hand and give you a cookie even when you screw up. Leave that at the door when you step into EVE, forget what other games taught you because it won't wash here. Welcome to EVE, grow some balls, get some teeth. If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone.
Velicitia Open Designs 954	Posted - 2012.05.31 09:55:00 - [87] - Quote Sekirei Takahashi wrote: Velicitia wrote: Sekirei Takahashi wrote: I think it a great idea especially for the new players. You got to think outside of the box. Think about the new players. Leave the pve combats in for the missions but remove the pvp-able in it, not counting the wars. Wars should be enable at anywhere. Make things easier for the new player hence we have more players coming on to eve online. Not having the new player get gank or bully on whatsoever on their first day. Right, because giving rookies the idea that eve is "safe" is a good idea ... And what wrong with "safe"? That's what this thread is all about, suggesting CCP to do something about it and help the new players. Make the EVE environment a little tad better for the new players. THERE. IS. NO. SAFE. PLACE. IN. SPACE. Teaching people otherwise is a very, very bad thing.
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 839	Posted - 2012.05.31 10:01:00 - [88] - Quote Hisec is safe for new players. New players don't have the skills or capital to fly anything worth ganking. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman
Tallian Saotome Fractured Core Fatal Ascension 677	Posted - 2012.05.31 10:08:00 - [89] - Quote Counter proposal: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Genesis/New_Eden#sec Make all new players start in that system. Make the gate between Exit and Access a one way gate. Remove ALL bpos and skillbooks from the market in this pocket. Let T1 frig BPCs drop from the rats(and tune the rats for newbies in rookie ships) and turn them loose. Sure, ganks will happen, but only by other newbies in, at worst, rifters. They can't make any real isk, because who are they gonna sell it to? They can't might a bunch of easy ores because how are they gonna get it out without a hauler? It would be a good place for noobs to get a feel for EVE without exposing them to the most brutal of our habits. Bet Access would be one of the most camped systems in all of the EVE cluster tho Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Owena Owoked Apocalypse Reign 6	Posted - 2012.05.31 10:18:00 - [90] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Much like real world police concord provides consequences not protection. Actually, real world police are there to "Serve and Protect". If an officer sees someone pull a gun on someone else in real life and drawl down on them the officer is allowed to use up to deadly force to stop the perp from commiting the crime. So your analogy is flawed.

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