No, the correct answer is that they MIGHT gain, if the right loot drops, if they actually succeeded or not, and if they brought friends, the profit gets cut that many more ways.

Ganking CAN be profitable, with the right targets. They don't always exist.

You suicide gank with cargo and mods??

Seriously, if you are at -10 and you get your ships from a corp orca the risk is what again?

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I could offer a compromise for that aswell. If suicide-ganking were to be banned (will never happen, deal with it), mining should also be banned.

One can always find a happy ending :)

Anyone aiding a pirate gets gcc. If a pirate takes a ship out of an orca it can be attacked just like the pirate can be. No warping to gates or docking for 15 minutes. Just like a remote repper gets in trouble so should a orca for suppling the ship to a pirate.

Total sandbox mmo, CCP will do nothing.

Other side is new players that have little ISK get a new mining ship.

*GANKED* and now they are distressed and quit Eve.

Eve already has issue with low numbers of new users.

So basically YES is fun to gank and pop ships, down side is without new players and ganked players leaving, Eve slowly withers and dies.

I said same mechanic as a remote rep. If a remote repper reps a pirate what happens? It wont affect me cause i won't be aiding a pirate. Whatever no concord just able to be attacked for 15 minutes. Mind is on low sec lol.

Yet all of those negatives are of little to no consequence to the ganker.

Taking all of those into consideration, the ganker has made a cost/benefit analysis and made a conscious decision that their course of action is of greater benefit than cost to them.

Acutally no i don't know how a ganker does his thing, i don't do it. I know i can right click a orca open ship hanger and hit board ship on one of the ships and the ship pops out and i get in it. So yeah i know how a orca works but i don't know how you guys gank. Did not think about jetting the ship out so i admit was a bad idea. I know mechanics but not how the the gankers do thier thing.

The main problem in this whole debate seems to be that there is little or no control on the recycling of characters because their security status is to low
EULA clearly states that the repeated recycling of characters due to low security status is seen as a exploit by ccp
It only takes a relative short time to train for a dedicated suicide pilot even so shorter than trying to recover your security status thru grinding belt rats in low or 0.0 sec, second also takes effort something these griefers tend to avoid at all cost , effort

CCP been so transfixed on finding rmt traders and bots , rightly so, that they have little or norescources left to check all the characters being recycled

so ppeople are fully abusing the recycling of characters who s sec status be ame so low due to suicideganking that they can t even enter high sec anymore

Better and more control will go a long way

you might not but there are plenty out there who do and even boast about it and they getting away with it somehow

They are.

The SS penalty should be higher and farming SS back shouldn't be the joke it is but an extreme and tedious work to achieve opposed to how hard it is to gank someone, but CCP and common sense are two different things

If you want to shoot whatever with no consequences you should go to null, thing is that you need some brains to go there and do stuff while high sec ganking is a no brains stuff and this is what real Eve is about.

Here's how to populate low/null sec, revert SS and concord presence in between actual SS systems/zones.

The fact that suic ganking is so prevalent suggests that the penalty is too low. Continue to fix the loopholes and increase the penalty. At present, committing a space "felony" in hisec is equivalent to getting a parking ticket and ignoring it.

I don't mine in the first place

The main difference between you and me is that I decided to go there were real stuff happens, where risk vs reward means something, while you keep putting words you have no clue about and come out with speeches how your internet life is so awesome.

You should go live in null, there are plenty of targets out there, but I guess you rather dock asap as soon as a cloaky stuff appears in your local.

Go play on your sandbox with your 10 YO friendies and move on to null if someday you grow a pair

i'm sorry but this is hard to believe in. It's like professional boxer will go and beat to death little child on the street just to "get a break and just shoot something". Either you a warrior or "bad boy"....

What creates all that drama you feel the need to take a break from?

Wouldn't be "risk", would it?

If you destroy someones material and the police know about it you will be locked up. Thats how a justice system works and thats how it should work in Eve. If you dont then Concord is just a joke.
This should equate to a high sec ganker being locked into low sec when he commits a crime - low sec becomes the prison.

Destroying a ship in high sec that costs less than 50 mill ISK you should be locked out of high sec for 24 hours.
100 mill - 48 hours
200 mill - 72 hours
300+ mill - 96 hours

No.
The punishment does not fit the crime in that case because the criminal expects and doesnt care if he's blown up.

25% to 75% takes about 4 seconds. You see a target appear on the overview from over 250km.

Thanks, I like losing ships on my alt :p

You realize a lot of alliances forbit forum posting? And that forces a lot of peopel to post with their alts? Even if jsut to be sure to not slip and post on CAOD with wrong char that would get him in trouble?

In truth what you want a break from is risk.

What would you describe as "a fun, satisfying fight"?

I'm betting it involves a whole bunch of risk mitigation and that's where the effort lies.

So this is the newest way to get people to do something they shouldn't and then get their Hulks destroyed by Concord?

Actually sorry to burst your bubble but i live in Null sec and am in the CFC currently in 1dh. I also have a account that is in FW now that there is a new Fweddit Corp and a indy alt in high sec. Most of null sec is carebear they just choose not to be guarded by concord. They completely jew out constantly, join fleet when one pops up then right back to making money. Most in null don't know mechanics i see plenty of numbnuts in every crop no matter if your goons, test, Fa whatever.

I would say most null does not know how to pvp i am there i know. Look at home defence fleets lol a bunch of carebears running around dieing trying to defend but they don't know how to pvp. I am working on getting better at pvp so i joined the FW corp. i sure didn't learn it in all the fleets i join and i follow commands and hit f1 when told.

If they finally fix ganking i will be glad. Force all the gankers into low and null sec so we can get more fights out there. Nothing like a good old hour roam with noone to shoot at in null cause everyone wants to just jew and hide in the stations. I choose to live in Null but i don't force it on everyone else. I got a idea how bout this old school UO rules once you go red 3 times your permanent red. You guys whine to much and got it easy in eve being able to repair your sec status quit being carebears about sec status take it like a man and go permanent red no fixing status. Flag accounts if they biomass more then 5 times to be reviewed. No reason to have to delete characters over and over.

Technetium...

IMHO, suicide ganking generally shouldn't be worthwhile. It should only be worthwhile to take out cargo ships carrying unusually valuable cargoes and very expensively equipped ships. Suicide ganking isn't some difficult pursuit. It just takes enough people willing to gang together and be able to properly fit ships to alpha/2 strike a target. Also IMHO, suicide gankers should get more return on their time from engaging in things like faction PVP, WH and nullsec adventures.

I don't want suicide ganking to be eliminated. I just don't think it should be profitable.

Right now the penalty is too light for suicide ganking.

Not only does my car not get blown up when I ignore a parking ticket, I also dont get paid a higher amount than my car was worth after the fact.

Actually I think you need to brush up logi can't jump anymore after repping a agressed person.

Well that needs to change. Nuet repair is gay. Maybe I will start playing station games with my carrier. That's always fun pvp there right.

I wasnt talking about concord.

Which can be replaced in minutes. Now, if it took nothing less than a 100+ mil isk battleship to gank a barge then yeah your argument would hold water. Gank dessies don't count as a real loss. Hell neither do gank battlecruisers to anyone with a mission alt. Sec status is so easy to get back up it's not even a real consideration. GCC just means some sitting in a safespot or warping around for 15 minutes while watching TV.

In the case of an exhumer you are talking about a lot of isk that insurance doesn't cover properly anyway. Platinum insurance payout on a Hulk is just under 60 mil. They sell for 250+ mil.

So. Lets to the math.
A relatively new player gankee loses weeks of time (ore doesn't magically appear in your station hangar) and millions of isk even after insurance (calculator is in Start Menu/All Programs/Accessories if you need it).

A smart ganker loses a few mil and has to do a few minutes of warping to shed his GCC and at most a couple of hours or so of grinding to shed his sec hit.

Again that calculator is in Start Menu/All Programs/Accessories. Give it a look.

Well actually your example is rather like if concord shoots someone because he left cans behind them, it's absolutely nnot the same thing.
Your perfect example would be "Does your gar get blown up by the police if you start killing defenceless citizens with your car just because you can"

Bring irl to Eve is a very bad example, irl is already not an example of justice and Eve is just the opposite, reward criminals.

Once again, you want no consequences or little because you want to shoot stuff? -go to low or null where risk vs reward means something, high sec is far too safe for Eve bullies/criminals.
Now you can turn this thing as much as you want and compare with RL, wish you good luck.

Just don't try to have fun by mining (yeah some people do actually like it). The gankers tend to think they should be able to play the game any way they want but will kill anyone else trying to do the same thing. Baffling...

Hehe! Not even close. Miner playstyles do not prevent gankers from doing what they like. The reverse cannot be said.

Yes because Security Status is so hard to get back, lets be honest here, the only reason people have low Security status is because they CHOOSE too.

You could fix your Security status in a few hours.

If they didn't mine in highsec. You will never convince them though, because most of them are devout believers that they are the primary supply of minerals on the market. How else would you build your supers, right?... Even though any 0.0 Alliance with Sov gets vast ammounts of every mineral available for the price of 3 Hulks.

Agreed. It's still ****** isk compared to mining elsewhere though.

Then there's harvesting space farts, although I'm not sure on the rate for that.

Suicide ganking penalties are far too low, A thrasher fit to take down a hulk can be bought for pennies compared to what the gankee loses. it should really cost you to do unlawful things in lawful space. Being a pirate in highsec should be almost impossible

Its a write off, not a loss. Big difference. You cannot loose something you are throwing away.
Go to school... then come back and you can participate in your own thread.

Gankers are supposedly the toughest, meanest, most vile members of the Eve Universe, correct? So the punishment should fit. Strip them to -10 secy, banish immediately to a random null sector, unable to entire Empire ever again. Ganked toon gets possession of all goodies on each toon in that account.

They're real bad-arses, yeah? So, let them prove it.

Are you seriously asking a guy in Sniggwaffe about the state of Goonspace?

A better question is, Is it too easy to make throw away alts. I mean if someone is willing to **** away the sec status of their main and then work it back up and go back to ganking, there is no issue there because they are accepting the penalty..

If people are making throw away destroyer alts to gank miners and then delete the character when they cant go above .4 space any longer that is in a way skirting the system.

Yeah, have you looked at a wreck recently? They're just some hunks of scrap metal, in no way resembling either the shape or even size of the original craft.

So my question to the knowledgeable person was, what would it take not just to sink a tanker or put it out of commission, but to actually blow the whole thing up to the analogue of a "wreck" in EVE - you know, what you have after you get the big 'splosion, the one with smithereens flying everywhere?

completely obliterating a ship at least in reality would take precision demolition. even a USN carrier could not turn a merchant vessel into something like an EVE wreck.... But the Mythbusters could.... remember the cement mixer...

yes just imagine the explosion if one say.... Filled an entire oil tanker with that mining explosive. and I mean every tank right up to the top with bags of mining charges or AMFO... Now that would be an explosion.