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TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 07:16:00 - [1] True. Hey.. did you type 1,8% on purpose? Or did you mean to type 1.8%?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 07:16:00 - [2] True. Hey.. did you type 1,8% on purpose? Or did you mean to type 1.8%?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 07:22:00 - [3] Hey so what happens if you are trying to write this number: 173.879? Would they write it like this: 173,879? How can they tell the diff between 173,(point)879 and 173,(comma)879?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 07:22:00 - [4] Hey so what happens if you are trying to write this number: 173.879? Would they write it like this: 173,879? How can they tell the diff between 173,(point)879 and 173,(comma)879?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 07:28:00 - [5] Edited by: TheMiner on 13/10/2004 07:31:45 Edited by: TheMiner on 13/10/2004 07:30:57 Meehead, Both your posts were very ignorant. First of all, I am not from the USA, if thats what you were thinking. And I dont use F. Secondly, your second answer showed both hate for a nationality and lack of logic. Can you tell me how one automatically knows that 185,454 and 185,454 are different numbers? In many cases a very wide range of numbers might suffice and there is no way you could just "know" what the write of that number intended. If you are so smart, figure out this math problem, written in your silly form: 56,571 + 2,567 + 765,643 Ok big guy.. whats the answer?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 07:28:00 - [6] Edited by: TheMiner on 13/10/2004 07:31:45 Edited by: TheMiner on 13/10/2004 07:30:57 Meehead, Both your posts were very ignorant. First of all, I am not from the USA, if thats what you were thinking. And I dont use F. Secondly, your second answer showed both hate for a nationality and lack of logic. Can you tell me how one automatically knows that 185,454 and 185,454 are different numbers? In many cases a very wide range of numbers might suffice and there is no way you could just "know" what the write of that number intended. If you are so smart, figure out this math problem, written in your silly form: 56,571 + 2,567 + 765,643 Ok big guy.. whats the answer?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 07:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Meehan Another solution would be that we write "." where you use "," and vice versa. Not that we do, but anyhow. The only time we use a symbol is when we want to make a clear line between whole numbers and fractions of one. E.g; A Megathron is worth 98543123,28 ISK - not 98,543,123.28 ISK Pretty hard to tell how much its worth just by glancing. Put those commas in and it is much easier. Man I wish all isk values were like that in EVE. I could scam people soooo easily...
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 07:33:00 - [8] Originally by: Meehan Another solution would be that we write "." where you use "," and vice versa. Not that we do, but anyhow. The only time we use a symbol is when we want to make a clear line between whole numbers and fractions of one. E.g; A Megathron is worth 98543123,28 ISK - not 98,543,123.28 ISK Pretty hard to tell how much its worth just by glancing. Put those commas in and it is much easier. Man I wish all isk values were like that in EVE. I could scam people soooo easily...
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 07:39:00 - [9] Originally by: Meehan It might seem inferior when your mind is not capable of handling those big numbers. Congratulations on belittling yourself 986489948 is much harder to read than 986,489,948. If I have you a list of large numbers could you instantly tell me if they were in the 10s of millions, 100s of millions, hundreds of thousends, billions, or tens of billions? 6754654775 ----------- 8954894589 --------- 9848934 ---------- 9845895489 --------- 894893 -----------983489432 --------- 983498724 ---------3243898489 ---------- 8734789298 ---------- 9813429879841 --------- 7834278478 ----------- 87342897 --------- 983489 -------- 9832893 Much easier if it has commas. Can get it with 1 glance. Don't tell me its not easier with commas. Working with huge lists of large numers would get pretty annoying w/o commas... even if you were skillfull with it you'd still more likely miss a number here and there. Inferior. 754547546754 54754756 54754753643 5634643 436757457
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 07:39:00 - [10] Originally by: Meehan It might seem inferior when your mind is not capable of handling those big numbers. Congratulations on belittling yourself 986489948 is much harder to read than 986,489,948. If I have you a list of large numbers could you instantly tell me if they were in the 10s of millions, 100s of millions, hundreds of thousends, billions, or tens of billions? 6754654775 ----------- 8954894589 --------- 9848934 ---------- 9845895489 --------- 894893 -----------983489432 --------- 983498724 ---------3243898489 ---------- 8734789298 ---------- 9813429879841 --------- 7834278478 ----------- 87342897 --------- 983489 -------- 9832893 Much easier if it has commas. Can get it with 1 glance. Don't tell me its not easier with commas. Working with huge lists of large numers would get pretty annoying w/o commas... even if you were skillfull with it you'd still more likely miss a number here and there. Inferior. 754547546754 54754756 54754753643 5634643 436757457
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 07:59:00 - [11] North American: 4,567.98 <---- No problem at all. Euro (DK): 4.567,98 <---- No problem at all. Nothing wrong with that at all. All I was ever saying is that 959,544 and 645,545 is stupid way to show numbers, as well as 89548954950943. I am 100% correct.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 07:59:00 - [12] North American: 4,567.98 <---- No problem at all. Euro (DK): 4.567,98 <---- No problem at all. Nothing wrong with that at all. All I was ever saying is that 959,544 and 645,545 is stupid way to show numbers, as well as 89548954950943. I am 100% correct.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:07:00 - [13] Humans cant read 8098980890715 as easily as they can read 809,898,090,715.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:07:00 - [14] Humans cant read 8098980890715 as easily as they can read 809,898,090,715.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Cardassius Edited by: Cardassius on 13/10/2004 08:08:05 Funny thing is when you use a comma to separate a sentence could look like this: "I've got 123,123,126,183,214.00 and also 128.38" You can explain this sentence 2 ways, either there are 6 amounts of something, or there are 2. Europeans would do it like this: "I've got 123.123.126.183.214,00 and also 128,38" Normally things are summed up by commas, not by dots. Thus dot separated is a lot easier to read then comma separated. LOL Now its time for me to point out your ignorance of a foreign system! "I've got 123,123,126,183,214.00 and also 128.38" We would either say "I've got 123, 123, 126, 183, 214.00 and also 128.38" OR (depending on your meaning) I've got 123,123,126,183,214.00 and also 128.38." You see, when making a list we dont only use a comma. We use a comma and a SPACE. LOL. Fis, ducks, trees and cabbage. Not fish,ducks,trees and cabbage. 123,321,234 is a large 9 digit number, whereas 123, 321, 234 are three 3 digit numbers. OWNED
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Cardassius Edited by: Cardassius on 13/10/2004 08:08:05 Funny thing is when you use a comma to separate a sentence could look like this: "I've got 123,123,126,183,214.00 and also 128.38" You can explain this sentence 2 ways, either there are 6 amounts of something, or there are 2. Europeans would do it like this: "I've got 123.123.126.183.214,00 and also 128,38" Normally things are summed up by commas, not by dots. Thus dot separated is a lot easier to read then comma separated. LOL Now its time for me to point out your ignorance of a foreign system! "I've got 123,123,126,183,214.00 and also 128.38" We would either say "I've got 123, 123, 126, 183, 214.00 and also 128.38" OR (depending on your meaning) I've got 123,123,126,183,214.00 and also 128.38." You see, when making a list we dont only use a comma. We use a comma and a SPACE. LOL. Fis, ducks, trees and cabbage. Not fish,ducks,trees and cabbage. 123,321,234 is a large 9 digit number, whereas 123, 321, 234 are three 3 digit numbers. OWNED
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:18:00 - [17] There is nothing wrong with this: "I've got 123.123.126.183.214,00 and also 128,38" The above I am not disputing in the slightest. I do not care if you use . where I use , and , where I use .. Nothing wrong with that at all. What I AM saying is that saying: "I've got 123123126183214,00 ..." is inferior. I'm also saying it is silly for 343,555 and 343,555 to be able to mean 2 different things.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:18:00 - [18] There is nothing wrong with this: "I've got 123.123.126.183.214,00 and also 128,38" The above I am not disputing in the slightest. I do not care if you use . where I use , and , where I use .. Nothing wrong with that at all. What I AM saying is that saying: "I've got 123123126183214,00 ..." is inferior. I'm also saying it is silly for 343,555 and 343,555 to be able to mean 2 different things.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:21:00 - [19] No... you never answered the question. Let me quote it for you: "Humans cant read 8098980890715 as easily as they can read 809,898,090,715. But I guess you read both of those numbers with just as much ease and recognizes them as the same?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:21:00 - [20] No... you never answered the question. Let me quote it for you: "Humans cant read 8098980890715 as easily as they can read 809,898,090,715. But I guess you read both of those numbers with just as much ease and recognizes them as the same?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:25:00 - [21] I think the english system is stupid. Miles, inches and feet are all inferior to the metric system. Dont try to pull the "different font types using different spacing so some peopel can get confused!" bit.. nice try... but way lame. You forgot how the comma system works and you made a stupid argument which I totally refuted. You lost. Dont try and make up silly font spacing arguments now. Let me summerize. Your argument was that it is bad to use commas to give structure to a large number because we might not know if it is a list of several numbers or just one long number. I pointed out that 123, 123, 433, 454 and 123,123,433,454 are much different. The first is a list of several different numbers and the second is one large number. If there is any confusion then you need glasses, sir. And your "comeback" is that "maybe wit hdifferent font types people might not see the spaces and then get confused." Weak. Weak.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:25:00 - [22] I think the english system is stupid. Miles, inches and feet are all inferior to the metric system. Dont try to pull the "different font types using different spacing so some peopel can get confused!" bit.. nice try... but way lame. You forgot how the comma system works and you made a stupid argument which I totally refuted. You lost. Dont try and make up silly font spacing arguments now. Let me summerize. Your argument was that it is bad to use commas to give structure to a large number because we might not know if it is a list of several numbers or just one long number. I pointed out that 123, 123, 433, 454 and 123,123,433,454 are much different. The first is a list of several different numbers and the second is one large number. If there is any confusion then you need glasses, sir. And your "comeback" is that "maybe wit hdifferent font types people might not see the spaces and then get confused." Weak. Weak.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:29:00 - [23] It doesn't. You made that up and stirred it on by yourself. What you failed to explain on your very first post is that where you coem from , NEVER means . and . NEVER means ,. Instead you said "We dont need to use the symbols. We just write it as 8968969845 and instantly know what it is." So are you telling me that 334,554 ALWAYS is a number in the hundreds and NEVER EVER a number in the hundreds of thousends where you come from?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:29:00 - [24] It doesn't. You made that up and stirred it on by yourself. What you failed to explain on your very first post is that where you coem from , NEVER means . and . NEVER means ,. Instead you said "We dont need to use the symbols. We just write it as 8968969845 and instantly know what it is." So are you telling me that 334,554 ALWAYS is a number in the hundreds and NEVER EVER a number in the hundreds of thousends where you come from?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:32:00 - [25] I am not one to nit pick at peoples grammar. I think it is a silly thing to do. This is not an english test..and I'm not your english teacher. :) Meehead...you never answered my question... And... Yes, the metric system is superior to the system the Americans use.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:32:00 - [26] I am not one to nit pick at peoples grammar. I think it is a silly thing to do. This is not an english test..and I'm not your english teacher. :) Meehead...you never answered my question... And... Yes, the metric system is superior to the system the Americans use.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:34:00 - [27] Originally by: Meehan Originally by: TheMiner So are you telling me that 334,554 ALWAYS is a number in the hundreds and NEVER EVER a number in the hundreds of thousends where you come from? Yes. Congratulations, you have now reached the level of a six year old Swede. PERFECT! You made the same mistake the Russian girl made. Instead of simply saying "," literally in ALL cases means "." and "." literally in ALL cases means "," you said "We dont need to use symbols because 89658958944389 is easy for us to read." Why did you use the weaker argument and lead me to beleive your system was inferior?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Meehan Originally by: TheMiner So are you telling me that 334,554 ALWAYS is a number in the hundreds and NEVER EVER a number in the hundreds of thousends where you come from? Yes. Congratulations, you have now reached the level of a six year old Swede. PERFECT! You made the same mistake the Russian girl made. Instead of simply saying "," literally in ALL cases means "." and "." literally in ALL cases means "," you said "We dont need to use symbols because 89658958944389 is easy for us to read." Why did you use the weaker argument and lead me to beleive your system was inferior?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:38:00 - [29] When I said "Hey so what happens if you are trying to write this number: 173.879? Would they write it like this: 173,879? How can they tell the diff between 173,(point)879 and 173,(comma)879?" You should have said "Because we would type a 6 digit number like this 123.432 and a three digit number which has a 3 digit fraction like this 453,344" Instead, you said "Europeans are smart enough not to need symbols differentiating their higher numbers for them."
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:38:00 - [30] When I said "Hey so what happens if you are trying to write this number: 173.879? Would they write it like this: 173,879? How can they tell the diff between 173,(point)879 and 173,(comma)879?" You should have said "Because we would type a 6 digit number like this 123.432 and a three digit number which has a 3 digit fraction like this 453,344" Instead, you said "Europeans are smart enough not to need symbols differentiating their higher numbers for them."
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:41:00 - [31] Originally by: Cardassius Originally by: TheMiner Yes, the metric system is superior to the system the Americans use. The Americans use the English metric system, which includes a comma separator for thousands and a dot for decimals. That is correct... and your point?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:41:00 - [32] Originally by: Cardassius Originally by: TheMiner Yes, the metric system is superior to the system the Americans use. The Americans use the English metric system, which includes a comma separator for thousands and a dot for decimals. That is correct... and your point?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:44:00 - [33] Originally by: Meehan Read my answer as: We don't use 173,(comma)879 - which I meant then and still mean. My question was: "Humans cant read 8098980890715 as easily as they can read 809,898,090,715. But I guess you read both of those numbers with just as much ease and recognizes them as the same? I suppose I could modify it so your tiny brain can understand.... "Humans cant read 8098980890715 as easily as they can read 809.898.090.715 . But I guess you read both of those numbers with just as much ease and recognizes them as the same?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:44:00 - [34] Originally by: Meehan Read my answer as: We don't use 173,(comma)879 - which I meant then and still mean. My question was: "Humans cant read 8098980890715 as easily as they can read 809,898,090,715. But I guess you read both of those numbers with just as much ease and recognizes them as the same? I suppose I could modify it so your tiny brain can understand.... "Humans cant read 8098980890715 as easily as they can read 809.898.090.715 . But I guess you read both of those numbers with just as much ease and recognizes them as the same?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:48:00 - [35] 543,533 and 543.533 to mean the same number is 100% fine. But not using symbols with large numbers is a good way to get errors. 984909054 904509340909 9043094093 893894982398895 98098690340969046902
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:48:00 - [36] 543,533 and 543.533 to mean the same number is 100% fine. But not using symbols with large numbers is a good way to get errors. 984909054 904509340909 9043094093 893894982398895 98098690340969046902
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:54:00 - [37] Originally by: Meehan It ain't even the same number, numby. LOL SEE?!?!? MY POINT IS PROVEN. IT TOOK YOU 40 MINUTES FROM WHEN I POSTED THAT (AND SOMEONE POINTING IT OUT AND ME POSTING IT ANOTHER 10 TIMES FOR YOU TO EVEN SEE THAT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME NUMBER. 8098980890715 and 809898090715 take some time to tell they are different. (40 mins for your "trained" mind. But 8,098,980,890,715 and 809,898,090,715 are CLEARY very DIFFERENT numbers. One glance by even a FOOL tells you that. Like I said, using the 9509540954094 system would be very easy to scam people with. One number difference can make an item MUCH MUCH cheaper or more expensive.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:54:00 - [38] Originally by: Meehan It ain't even the same number, numby. LOL SEE?!?!? MY POINT IS PROVEN. IT TOOK YOU 40 MINUTES FROM WHEN I POSTED THAT (AND SOMEONE POINTING IT OUT AND ME POSTING IT ANOTHER 10 TIMES FOR YOU TO EVEN SEE THAT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME NUMBER. 8098980890715 and 809898090715 take some time to tell they are different. (40 mins for your "trained" mind. But 8,098,980,890,715 and 809,898,090,715 are CLEARY very DIFFERENT numbers. One glance by even a FOOL tells you that. Like I said, using the 9509540954094 system would be very easy to scam people with. One number difference can make an item MUCH MUCH cheaper or more expensive.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:58:00 - [39] No... from the beginning it has been his person agenda to make anyone who does not use his system look stupid. I think that people from where he is from write numbers intelligently..but he is being stubborn and lying about their practices. They write 400,323 as 400.323 which is 100% fine.. as long as they all know , = . and . = , ... and they do. No problem there at all.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 08:58:00 - [40] No... from the beginning it has been his person agenda to make anyone who does not use his system look stupid. I think that people from where he is from write numbers intelligently..but he is being stubborn and lying about their practices. They write 400,323 as 400.323 which is 100% fine.. as long as they all know , = . and . = , ... and they do. No problem there at all.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:04:00 - [41] No.. you are just being stubborn. Also... your statment concerning "there is no one system better thna another" is FALSE. Are you telling me using MMMDCCLXXVI is better than just typing 3776? LOL? Now think of trying to write 565,895,983,894,221 in roman numerals... LOL! just as silly as write it as 565895983894221 and expecting people to know what it is just by glancing.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:04:00 - [42] No.. you are just being stubborn. Also... your statment concerning "there is no one system better thna another" is FALSE. Are you telling me using MMMDCCLXXVI is better than just typing 3776? LOL? Now think of trying to write 565,895,983,894,221 in roman numerals... LOL! just as silly as write it as 565895983894221 and expecting people to know what it is just by glancing.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:08:00 - [43] Originally by: TheMiner No.. you are just being stubborn. Also... your statment concerning "there is no one system better thna another" is FALSE. Are you telling me using MMMDCCLXXVI is better than just typing 3776? LOL? Now think of trying to write 565,895,983,894,221 in roman numerals... LOL! just as silly as write it as 565895983894221 and expecting people to know what it is just by glancing. I once had a math teacher who made a thing out of counting with roman numerals. He did it with ease.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:08:00 - [44] Originally by: TheMiner No.. you are just being stubborn. Also... your statment concerning "there is no one system better thna another" is FALSE. Are you telling me using MMMDCCLXXVI is better than just typing 3776? LOL? Now think of trying to write 565,895,983,894,221 in roman numerals... LOL! just as silly as write it as 565895983894221 and expecting people to know what it is just by glancing. I once had a math teacher who made a thing out of counting with roman numerals. He did it with ease.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:10:00 - [45] Originally by: Scorpyn You deal with this kind of big numbers frequently? Yes... LOL you just belittled yourself! you only deal with numbers like 5 and 18! LOL! Originally by: Scorpyn or 400 323 (Sweden) Ahh.. the truth is comming out. You added a space in there for clarification. See?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:10:00 - [46] Originally by: Scorpyn You deal with this kind of big numbers frequently? Yes... LOL you just belittled yourself! you only deal with numbers like 5 and 18! LOL! Originally by: Scorpyn or 400 323 (Sweden) Ahh.. the truth is comming out. You added a space in there for clarification. See?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:18:00 - [47] Meehan... you are using invalid logic. I'm saying 1,742,385,569 is superior to 1742385569 when communicating a number to a person. And you are trying to twist what I say by saying "WELL WHAT IF YOU ARE A COMPUTER? (or a whale) THEN 1100111110110101011000110100001 WOULD BE THE BEST NUMBER TO USE!" Well... true... but thats not what I was talking about. Dont try to put weords in my mouth and change the subject in a stupid way. I'm not talking about how robots use numbers, or aliens, or geese, or cars. I am talking about how humans use numbers with humans.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:18:00 - [48] Meehan... you are using invalid logic. I'm saying 1,742,385,569 is superior to 1742385569 when communicating a number to a person. And you are trying to twist what I say by saying "WELL WHAT IF YOU ARE A COMPUTER? (or a whale) THEN 1100111110110101011000110100001 WOULD BE THE BEST NUMBER TO USE!" Well... true... but thats not what I was talking about. Dont try to put weords in my mouth and change the subject in a stupid way. I'm not talking about how robots use numbers, or aliens, or geese, or cars. I am talking about how humans use numbers with humans.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:21:00 - [49] Wren, let them use a , instead of a . Hey Meehan... so are you saying the English system is not worse than the Metric system? I'm an "ignorant little minded" who lives in a country where the English system is used and even I recognize that the metric system is superor.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:21:00 - [50] Wren, let them use a , instead of a . Hey Meehan... so are you saying the English system is not worse than the Metric system? I'm an "ignorant little minded" who lives in a country where the English system is used and even I recognize that the metric system is superor.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:23:00 - [51] Now you are trying to be all crafty and philosophical in order to avoid the shame which has been bestowed upon you. You are wrong. We are right. 784 848 838 959 is fine. 9858939889498 is not. 654,645,643 is fine. 644.654.563.645 id fine too...but it would be nice if someone changed so thatthe system was uniform...it can cause a lot of problems.. confusing people.. and computers might get al lscrewed up if you put a lot of 454.643.653.422 numbers into a 543,353,563,421 database. It could think you are trying to feed it IP numbers or something.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:23:00 - [52] Now you are trying to be all crafty and philosophical in order to avoid the shame which has been bestowed upon you. You are wrong. We are right. 784 848 838 959 is fine. 9858939889498 is not. 654,645,643 is fine. 644.654.563.645 id fine too...but it would be nice if someone changed so thatthe system was uniform...it can cause a lot of problems.. confusing people.. and computers might get al lscrewed up if you put a lot of 454.643.653.422 numbers into a 543,353,563,421 database. It could think you are trying to feed it IP numbers or something.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:26:00 - [53] LOL you are getting all philosophical and vague.. lolollolool "Nothing is superior to anything." "Everything is determined by personal preference." LOL. So a slingshot is just as good as a tank? Roman numerals are just as good as our current (Arabic) number system? LOL?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:26:00 - [54] LOL you are getting all philosophical and vague.. lolollolool "Nothing is superior to anything." "Everything is determined by personal preference." LOL. So a slingshot is just as good as a tank? Roman numerals are just as good as our current (Arabic) number system? LOL?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:28:00 - [55] You are 100% correct wren.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:28:00 - [56] You are 100% correct wren.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:30:00 - [57] "And if no system is superior or inferior to another, then why aren't we useing the Incan system where there were no written numbers and we used knotted ropes to show prices?" OWNED
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:30:00 - [58] "And if no system is superior or inferior to another, then why aren't we useing the Incan system where there were no written numbers and we used knotted ropes to show prices?" OWNED
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:33:00 - [59] Originally by: Meehan By the way, TheMiner. You said you weren't from the states originally? Where are you from and how long have you lived there? Just personal curiosa, that's all I live in USA. I've lived here for 18 years of my 22 year life.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:33:00 - [60] Originally by: Meehan By the way, TheMiner. You said you weren't from the states originally? Where are you from and how long have you lived there? Just personal curiosa, that's all I live in USA. I've lived here for 18 years of my 22 year life.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:35:00 - [61] Originally by: Scorpyn Edited by: Scorpyn on 13/10/2004 09:34:32 Meehan are you feeling grumpy today? Even if he's wrong in your opinion it's not a reason to insult him over and over... Even your allies are correcting you now.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:35:00 - [62] Originally by: Scorpyn Edited by: Scorpyn on 13/10/2004 09:34:32 Meehan are you feeling grumpy today? Even if he's wrong in your opinion it's not a reason to insult him over and over... Even your allies are correcting you now.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:37:00 - [63] Originally by: Meehan Because today we use math's where it's not practical? I'm sure it worked just fine back for them, considering the Incan civilization was way more mathematically advanced back then compared to the European nations. Whuh-oh, not so owned after all. LOL NO! You are SO OWNED! Are you saying if I introduced the number system we use now to the Incans that their wise and intelligent members of society would not recognize it as superior? Who wants to make 67 knots in a rope to tell a shopkeeper how many gold nuggets he needs to give you when you could just write a 6 and a 7? LOL
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:37:00 - [64] Originally by: Meehan Because today we use math's where it's not practical? I'm sure it worked just fine back for them, considering the Incan civilization was way more mathematically advanced back then compared to the European nations. Whuh-oh, not so owned after all. LOL NO! You are SO OWNED! Are you saying if I introduced the number system we use now to the Incans that their wise and intelligent members of society would not recognize it as superior? Who wants to make 67 knots in a rope to tell a shopkeeper how many gold nuggets he needs to give you when you could just write a 6 and a 7? LOL
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:38:00 - [65] Originally by: F4ze In Belgium it is often noted like this: 11'484 or 11`484 or a high dot and ofcourse a comma to seperate decimal values. Thats 100% fine. No problem there at all. I mean sure.. it would be nice if the whole world used the exact same system so that we could communicate more clearly (not saying which system is the best..but one certainly is..or has more advantages than the others.) But I CAN tell you that the English system of miles, feet, and inches SUCKS compared to the metric system. Thats just a fact.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:38:00 - [66] Originally by: F4ze In Belgium it is often noted like this: 11'484 or 11`484 or a high dot and ofcourse a comma to seperate decimal values. Thats 100% fine. No problem there at all. I mean sure.. it would be nice if the whole world used the exact same system so that we could communicate more clearly (not saying which system is the best..but one certainly is..or has more advantages than the others.) But I CAN tell you that the English system of miles, feet, and inches SUCKS compared to the metric system. Thats just a fact.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:40:00 - [67] Originally by: Meehan Allies? I'm doing pretty on my own thank you, what they think is actually irrelevant, even though they happen to mostly agree with me in this case. Dude.. sorry to say but if this was an EVE ship battle... you got podded 2x in a row without buying a clone an hr ago.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:40:00 - [68] Originally by: Meehan Allies? I'm doing pretty on my own thank you, what they think is actually irrelevant, even though they happen to mostly agree with me in this case. Dude.. sorry to say but if this was an EVE ship battle... you got podded 2x in a row without buying a clone an hr ago.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:41:00 - [69] Edited by: TheMiner on 13/10/2004 09:43:34 And now you are blatanetly lying.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:41:00 - [70] Edited by: TheMiner on 13/10/2004 09:43:34 And now you are blatanetly lying.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:43:00 - [71] Why? Is being highly educated a "good" thing or something? Are you saying being highly educated is "better" than not being highly educated? Can one school system be "better" than another?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:43:00 - [72] Why? Is being highly educated a "good" thing or something? Are you saying being highly educated is "better" than not being highly educated? Can one school system be "better" than another?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:44:00 - [73] Originally by: Feyd Darkholme ... So I'm sitting here reading the first page of this thread thinking to myself, "Six pages, they can't all be bashing each others countries and arguing about punctuations..."... Turn right to page six, and sure enough... Hey.. I have bashed no ones country.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:44:00 - [74] Originally by: Feyd Darkholme ... So I'm sitting here reading the first page of this thread thinking to myself, "Six pages, they can't all be bashing each others countries and arguing about punctuations..."... Turn right to page six, and sure enough... Hey.. I have bashed no ones country.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:47:00 - [75] Originally by: Elric Mortis Originally by: TheMiner Can one school system be "better" than another? yes Exactly!
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:47:00 - [76] Originally by: Elric Mortis Originally by: TheMiner Can one school system be "better" than another? yes Exactly!
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:47:00 - [77] Edited by: TheMiner on 13/10/2004 09:50:37 Originally by: mahhy . I would guess it would be impossible to PROVE one systems superiority over anothers. If anyone can suggest a method to do so without resorting to any sort of "its easier this way" mumbo jumbo, please do so. Hey.. I want you to PROVE to me that 7.0 is a higher number than 6.0 ..... But no using "becasue it has a greater value" or "its higher on a number line" mumbo jumbo. Please do so.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:47:00 - [78] Edited by: TheMiner on 13/10/2004 09:50:37 Originally by: mahhy . I would guess it would be impossible to PROVE one systems superiority over anothers. If anyone can suggest a method to do so without resorting to any sort of "its easier this way" mumbo jumbo, please do so. Hey.. I want you to PROVE to me that 7.0 is a higher number than 6.0 ..... But no using "becasue it has a greater value" or "its higher on a number line" mumbo jumbo. Please do so.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:51:00 - [79] Originally by: Moneta Morally, there is no inferiority. Efficiencywise there is. PERFECT! I will win with this one for sure! Listen. Lets say there are 2 cars (A and B) and a set of judges who are judging how good the cars are on "color" "speed" and "price(lowest)." Both cars are 100% equal in color and speed, but car B has a lower price than car A. Do you not think that the judges would pick car B as the winner? So there are 2 systems. Both are equal "morally" but one is superior in "effeciency." Which is better? OWNED!
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:51:00 - [80] Originally by: Moneta Morally, there is no inferiority. Efficiencywise there is. PERFECT! I will win with this one for sure! Listen. Lets say there are 2 cars (A and B) and a set of judges who are judging how good the cars are on "color" "speed" and "price(lowest)." Both cars are 100% equal in color and speed, but car B has a lower price than car A. Do you not think that the judges would pick car B as the winner? So there are 2 systems. Both are equal "morally" but one is superior in "effeciency." Which is better? OWNED!
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:53:00 - [81] Originally by: Meehan Sigh... there's a difference between linguistics and physics, kiddo. You are trying to use silly concepts which DO NOT APPLY to this conversation AT ALL in an attempt to take peoples minds from what we are REALLY taling about. It is VERY VERY simple: 9869409456 is inferior to 9,869,409,456 for general use.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:53:00 - [82] Originally by: Meehan Sigh... there's a difference between linguistics and physics, kiddo. You are trying to use silly concepts which DO NOT APPLY to this conversation AT ALL in an attempt to take peoples minds from what we are REALLY taling about. It is VERY VERY simple: 9869409456 is inferior to 9,869,409,456 for general use.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:58:00 - [83] "I am not not not not not not not not going to eat cake." and "I am going to eat cake." both mean the same thing...but one is clearly an inferior way of expressing it. One has a greater chance of causing confusion than the other. One takes time to read through to get the precise meaning. EXACT same thing with 43985893598 and 43,985,893,598.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 09:58:00 - [84] "I am not not not not not not not not going to eat cake." and "I am going to eat cake." both mean the same thing...but one is clearly an inferior way of expressing it. One has a greater chance of causing confusion than the other. One takes time to read through to get the precise meaning. EXACT same thing with 43985893598 and 43,985,893,598.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 10:07:00 - [85] "Well since I've read it all then I must comment. And Wren you do realize that Swedish people don't actually use the words decimal point to describe their decimal comma they speak Swedish for christs sake. Actually the word they use is 'decimalkomma'." We are not really disputing that.. it was a topic a while ago but everyone agreed that it is 100% fine ... except that it would be nice if all countries used the same number system... but thats just a passing wish.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 10:07:00 - [86] "Well since I've read it all then I must comment. And Wren you do realize that Swedish people don't actually use the words decimal point to describe their decimal comma they speak Swedish for christs sake. Actually the word they use is 'decimalkomma'." We are not really disputing that.. it was a topic a while ago but everyone agreed that it is 100% fine ... except that it would be nice if all countries used the same number system... but thats just a passing wish.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 10:10:00 - [87] Hypocrite! j/k :) Looks like the anti-9868934893489 people won.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 10:10:00 - [88] Hypocrite! j/k :) Looks like the anti-9868934893489 people won.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 10:12:00 - [89] Originally by: Urmel no, they dont! once you have children, you will know Its not only with children that that can occur.. you are twisting my meaning by using a word game. Yes... using "not" several times in a row can add emphasis... but we both know thats not Not NOT(!) what I was talking about. ;)
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 10:12:00 - [90] Originally by: Urmel no, they dont! once you have children, you will know Its not only with children that that can occur.. you are twisting my meaning by using a word game. Yes... using "not" several times in a row can add emphasis... but we both know thats not Not NOT(!) what I was talking about. ;)
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 10:13:00 - [91] Edited by: TheMiner on 13/10/2004 10:15:50 "Your job is to explode." I LOLed when I saw that. "The "Fair Fight" argument is a lame ass excuse from the people who cant accept that they were outmanuvered, outnumbered, overpowered and generally OWNED." - Viceroy Very true. We share a lot of mutual opinions.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 10:13:00 - [92] Edited by: TheMiner on 13/10/2004 10:15:50 "Your job is to explode." I LOLed when I saw that. "The "Fair Fight" argument is a lame ass excuse from the people who cant accept that they were outmanuvered, outnumbered, overpowered and generally OWNED." - Viceroy Very true. We share a lot of mutual opinions.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 10:17:00 - [93] Your head asplode. Hey r you female irl? If so.. I will give you ISK and stuff..under a few conditions.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 10:17:00 - [94] Your head asplode. Hey r you female irl? If so.. I will give you ISK and stuff..under a few conditions.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 10:23:00 - [95] Dag, yo.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 10:23:00 - [96] Dag, yo.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 10:32:00 - [97] Indeed... just what would they be? There is only one way to find out. ------------------------ Your head asplode.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 10:32:00 - [98] Indeed... just what would they be? There is only one way to find out. ------------------------ Your head asplode.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 22:59:00 - [99] "4 farthings to a pence 240 pence to ú1 12 pence to a shilling (also known as bob) 5 shillings to a crown 20 shillings in a pound 21 shillings in a guinea" The above system is obviously inferior to a base 10 system where 10 "cents" = 1 "dime" 10 "dimes" = 1 "dollar" Yes, personal use will make one UNCOMFORTABLE in switching. But that has nothing to do with the actual logical superiority of the system. "Superior" and "inferior" DO exist. A tank is superior to a slingshot. Paint the lasts 10 years is superior to paint that only lasts 2 years. Being in good health is superior to being in bad health. "Good health" and "Bad health" are somewhat general but you stil lcant argue with it is better to be fit and in shape and healthy than to be bed ridden and sick and stinky. Also, common sense must be applied in each of these comparisons. A tank is not superior to a sling shot if all you want to do is shoot your brother on the arm as a joke. But in general, using "common sense," when one says a tank is better than a slingshot all non-retarded people instantly know "for general use in a war where 2 sides are trying to kill eachother." So go ahead and be all philosphical and silly and try and twist things (not saying all philosphy is "the twisting of things") but you cannot argue with me when I say that receiving a gold medal in the Olympics is better than getting beaten and robbed in a dark allyway. Things can be better than other things. FACT. Metric system(meters etc) is SUPERIOR to the English(feet) system. Your personal comfort does not matter. If all knowledge of each system was instantly erased from all humans minds, and then we were to chose which system all of us should learn and use for the next 50,000(fifty thousend) years it would only be logical and proper to chose the metric system. PERIOD. PERIOD. YOU CANNOT ARGUE WITH THAT. PERIOD. ----------------------------- "And to stay on topic, this is the first I've heard about 11,484 players" Only 11 players? FTP is up with the 484/1000ths of a player? (j/k) ----------------------------- "i would just like to ask Theminer to please stfu, because people think you're from north america and you're making the rest of us north americans look intolerant, ignorant, and just generally stupid." Um.. no sir. You are wrong. You obviously did not read everything. You give me specific reasons and I will refute them easily. ------------------------------- "JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS DIFFERENT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S STUPID. DIFFERENT PEOPLE DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY, AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN ONE WAY HAS TO BE SUPERIOR." You also, sir. You obviously did not read everything. so why are you ignorantly spurting this trash out of your mouth when you did not read everything? I have ZERO PROBLEM with people using , instead of . and . instead of ,. IN THE BEGINNING, before it was explained to me, I questioned it deeply -- untill people were intelligent enough to, without using flawed arguments, show me how their system works. I am in absolutly no way saying that it is bad to write numbers like this 5645,43 or 545 354 543,56. What I AM saying is that it is bad to write 89458969843895 instead of 89,458,969,843,895. Thats it! How can you argue against that? LOL. So weak! SO WEAK! People trying to talk about weird concepts that totally do not apply... LOL! If this msgboard was RL, then I just became the emperor of the universe.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.13 22:59:00 - [100] "4 farthings to a pence 240 pence to ú1 12 pence to a shilling (also known as bob) 5 shillings to a crown 20 shillings in a pound 21 shillings in a guinea" The above system is obviously inferior to a base 10 system where 10 "cents" = 1 "dime" 10 "dimes" = 1 "dollar" Yes, personal use will make one UNCOMFORTABLE in switching. But that has nothing to do with the actual logical superiority of the system. "Superior" and "inferior" DO exist. A tank is superior to a slingshot. Paint the lasts 10 years is superior to paint that only lasts 2 years. Being in good health is superior to being in bad health. "Good health" and "Bad health" are somewhat general but you stil lcant argue with it is better to be fit and in shape and healthy than to be bed ridden and sick and stinky. Also, common sense must be applied in each of these comparisons. A tank is not superior to a sling shot if all you want to do is shoot your brother on the arm as a joke. But in general, using "common sense," when one says a tank is better than a slingshot all non-retarded people instantly know "for general use in a war where 2 sides are trying to kill eachother." So go ahead and be all philosphical and silly and try and twist things (not saying all philosphy is "the twisting of things") but you cannot argue with me when I say that receiving a gold medal in the Olympics is better than getting beaten and robbed in a dark allyway. Things can be better than other things. FACT. Metric system(meters etc) is SUPERIOR to the English(feet) system. Your personal comfort does not matter. If all knowledge of each system was instantly erased from all humans minds, and then we were to chose which system all of us should learn and use for the next 50,000(fifty thousend) years it would only be logical and proper to chose the metric system. PERIOD. PERIOD. YOU CANNOT ARGUE WITH THAT. PERIOD. ----------------------------- "And to stay on topic, this is the first I've heard about 11,484 players" Only 11 players? FTP is up with the 484/1000ths of a player? (j/k) ----------------------------- "i would just like to ask Theminer to please stfu, because people think you're from north america and you're making the rest of us north americans look intolerant, ignorant, and just generally stupid." Um.. no sir. You are wrong. You obviously did not read everything. You give me specific reasons and I will refute them easily. ------------------------------- "JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS DIFFERENT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S STUPID. DIFFERENT PEOPLE DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY, AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN ONE WAY HAS TO BE SUPERIOR." You also, sir. You obviously did not read everything. so why are you ignorantly spurting this trash out of your mouth when you did not read everything? I have ZERO PROBLEM with people using , instead of . and . instead of ,. IN THE BEGINNING, before it was explained to me, I questioned it deeply -- untill people were intelligent enough to, without using flawed arguments, show me how their system works. I am in absolutly no way saying that it is bad to write numbers like this 5645,43 or 545 354 543,56. What I AM saying is that it is bad to write 89458969843895 instead of 89,458,969,843,895. Thats it! How can you argue against that? LOL. So weak! SO WEAK! People trying to talk about weird concepts that totally do not apply... LOL! If this msgboard was RL, then I just became the emperor of the universe.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.14 00:52:00 - [101] I disagree. I mean... it makes more sense than it did before..but who cares if its all divisable by tons of diff numbers...it still is awkward in terms of looking at a unit of money and QUICKLY/ACCURATLY calculating how many of X it equals. How many dimes in a dollar? How many pennys in 4 dimes? How many dollars in 17 dimes? How many farthings in 18 pence? How many shillings in 3 guinea? How many pounds in 10 shillings? sure, using each system will make you faster at either of them..but one system is remarkably easy and accurate.. while the other involves a lot more memorization and calculations. The base 10 system is, indeed, superior.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.14 00:52:00 - [102] I disagree. I mean... it makes more sense than it did before..but who cares if its all divisable by tons of diff numbers...it still is awkward in terms of looking at a unit of money and QUICKLY/ACCURATLY calculating how many of X it equals. How many dimes in a dollar? How many pennys in 4 dimes? How many dollars in 17 dimes? How many farthings in 18 pence? How many shillings in 3 guinea? How many pounds in 10 shillings? sure, using each system will make you faster at either of them..but one system is remarkably easy and accurate.. while the other involves a lot more memorization and calculations. The base 10 system is, indeed, superior.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.14 10:48:00 - [103] Avon.. wrong. You are wrong. Its easier to fivide by 5 and 2 and 10 than by 6 and 4 and 12 and crap like that. Face it. You are wrong. Metric system is superior. EVERYONE KNOWS IT. It is common sense. I live in America where we use the Fricking English System (FES) and I went around in stores and at college today and asked people which system is "superior" (i used that exact word" and 9 out of 10, even though we dont use it here, said the metric system is superior. When I lived in the Philippines for a few years (where they use the metric system) they also beleived the metric system is better than the FES. You people are only arguing against me because you do not like my, myself. You have a personal dislike for ME so you are bending your morals and lying to yourselves. The metric system is superior. Period.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.14 10:48:00 - [104] Avon.. wrong. You are wrong. Its easier to fivide by 5 and 2 and 10 than by 6 and 4 and 12 and crap like that. Face it. You are wrong. Metric system is superior. EVERYONE KNOWS IT. It is common sense. I live in America where we use the Fricking English System (FES) and I went around in stores and at college today and asked people which system is "superior" (i used that exact word" and 9 out of 10, even though we dont use it here, said the metric system is superior. When I lived in the Philippines for a few years (where they use the metric system) they also beleived the metric system is better than the FES. You people are only arguing against me because you do not like my, myself. You have a personal dislike for ME so you are bending your morals and lying to yourselves. The metric system is superior. Period.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.15 05:14:00 - [105] LOL? You are saying the Imperial system is easier for humans to work with? LOL? LOL? LOL? How many feet in half a mile? Takes a second. How many meters in half a kilometer? EASY. How many Inches in 8 feet? Takes a second. How many centimeters in 8 meters? EASY. Pls note that I do not use the metric system on a day to day basis. I use Imperial... yet metric is STLL easier for me to use. Thats because it is more logical and breaks things into 10's always. About metric time... since EVERYONE already uses "Normal" time, and both systems are founded on different but equally logical systems... and since time does not get in the way of converting diff types of measurments on any type of a regular basis, who cares? Ex: Miles per Hour and Kilometers per Hour are both just as easy to consider. OWNED os har.d It is so hilariously funny to watch you lie to yourself and try to "prove" the weaker argument. How can you possible say the metric system is not superior to the Imperial system? LOL? LOL? LOL?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.15 05:14:00 - [106] LOL? You are saying the Imperial system is easier for humans to work with? LOL? LOL? LOL? How many feet in half a mile? Takes a second. How many meters in half a kilometer? EASY. How many Inches in 8 feet? Takes a second. How many centimeters in 8 meters? EASY. Pls note that I do not use the metric system on a day to day basis. I use Imperial... yet metric is STLL easier for me to use. Thats because it is more logical and breaks things into 10's always. About metric time... since EVERYONE already uses "Normal" time, and both systems are founded on different but equally logical systems... and since time does not get in the way of converting diff types of measurments on any type of a regular basis, who cares? Ex: Miles per Hour and Kilometers per Hour are both just as easy to consider. OWNED os har.d It is so hilariously funny to watch you lie to yourself and try to "prove" the weaker argument. How can you possible say the metric system is not superior to the Imperial system? LOL? LOL? LOL?
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.15 08:02:00 - [107] Yeah.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.15 08:02:00 - [108] Yeah.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.16 13:42:00 - [109] You are right about time. If we could erase our current knowledge of how we work time and create a more logical system, that would be best. Kinda like the metric system. It is best. Something that is inferior is writing large numers like this 895489346894389 for general purposes. Always good to put commas in. Or decimal commas. Whatever you want to use. Just as long as you break the number up so it is easier to read. Can you argue against this? Nay, I say.
TheMiner	Posted - 2004.10.16 13:42:00 - [110] You are right about time. If we could erase our current knowledge of how we work time and create a more logical system, that would be best. Kinda like the metric system. It is best. Something that is inferior is writing large numers like this 895489346894389 for general purposes. Always good to put commas in. Or decimal commas. Whatever you want to use. Just as long as you break the number up so it is easier to read. Can you argue against this? Nay, I say.

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