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Wren
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Posted - 2004.10.13 08:48:00 -
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Edited by: Wren on 13/10/2004 08:51:17
OMG I actually have to agree with theminer here.
Any freaking person would be much happier to read and use
1,234,567.89 as a price than
1234567,89 as a price.
If fact, if you showed me that as a price I would just slowly bring my leg back, then swing it forward into your nut sack and wait for you to fall over.
And EVE, for some reason, likes to just jumble numbers together with the . and just assumes if you type in a invalid number (like three numbers) after the . that you for some reason mean your entire wallet.
That is stupid, and so is the way EVE displays prices.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 08:48:00 -
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Edited by: Wren on 13/10/2004 08:51:17
OMG I actually have to agree with theminer here.
Any freaking person would be much happier to read and use
1,234,567.89 as a price than
1234567,89 as a price.
If fact, if you showed me that as a price I would just slowly bring my leg back, then swing it forward into your nut sack and wait for you to fall over.
And EVE, for some reason, likes to just jumble numbers together with the . and just assumes if you type in a invalid number (like three numbers) after the . that you for some reason mean your entire wallet.
That is stupid, and so is the way EVE displays prices.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 09:01:00 -
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Actually, dude...
The fact that you have absolutely no problem reading numbers not seperated by commas and a decimal point isn't our problem, it's an ability you have either been born with or cultivated with practice.
It is inferior to allow confusion in a system that could easily be removed by the addition of seperating place holding commas.
As to your is water inferior to sidewalk if you can't swim. Sure it is. I suppose the next time you are drowing I should just toss you a bag of asphalt.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 09:01:00 -
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Actually, dude...
The fact that you have absolutely no problem reading numbers not seperated by commas and a decimal point isn't our problem, it's an ability you have either been born with or cultivated with practice.
It is inferior to allow confusion in a system that could easily be removed by the addition of seperating place holding commas.
As to your is water inferior to sidewalk if you can't swim. Sure it is. I suppose the next time you are drowing I should just toss you a bag of asphalt.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 09:09:00 -
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No, but the chinese use chinese numbers, not some screwed up make believe system where they don't need symbols to seperate the characters out.
In fact, they probably have different character for hundreds of thousands vs millions or something, since they have a bajillion characters/symbols to begin with.
You, I, theminer, and everyone else here (well, except for the scandinavian peeps) use 24 alphabet symbols, 10 numbers, and a dozen or so symbols (,.";,.!@#$%^&**) and we have to use those SYSTEMATICALLY to express ourselves. A system that shrugs off the advancement of symbols is inferior. It is a throwback.
Please don't tell me you use a pressure keyed typewriter or that you put your cast iron iron in the fireplace to heat it up before you press your slacks, because then you are indeed using inferior systems.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 09:09:00 -
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No, but the chinese use chinese numbers, not some screwed up make believe system where they don't need symbols to seperate the characters out.
In fact, they probably have different character for hundreds of thousands vs millions or something, since they have a bajillion characters/symbols to begin with.
You, I, theminer, and everyone else here (well, except for the scandinavian peeps) use 24 alphabet symbols, 10 numbers, and a dozen or so symbols (,.";,.!@#$%^&**) and we have to use those SYSTEMATICALLY to express ourselves. A system that shrugs off the advancement of symbols is inferior. It is a throwback.
Please don't tell me you use a pressure keyed typewriter or that you put your cast iron iron in the fireplace to heat it up before you press your slacks, because then you are indeed using inferior systems.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 09:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Scorpyn
Originally by: TheMiner
No... from the beginning it has been his person agenda to make anyone who does not use his system look stupid.
I think that people from where he is from write numbers intelligently..but he is being stubborn and lying about their practices.
They write 400,323 as 400.323 which is 100% fine.. as long as they all know , = . and . = , ... and they do. No problem there at all.
400,323 (US) = 400323 or 400 323 (Sweden)
400.323 (US) = 400,323 (Sweden)
Are you being serious Scorpyn? Why would the swedish people use the comma as a decimal point?
*Wren goes to dictonary.com.
Quote:
Main Entry: decimal point
Function: noun
: a period, centered dot, or in some countries a comma at the left of a proper decimal fraction (as .678) or between the parts of a mixed number (as 3.678) expressed by a whole number and a decimal fraction
...... Why? Why why why? Why why why why why why why why why?
It's a decimal point.. not a decimal comma...
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Posted - 2004.10.13 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Scorpyn
Originally by: TheMiner
No... from the beginning it has been his person agenda to make anyone who does not use his system look stupid.
I think that people from where he is from write numbers intelligently..but he is being stubborn and lying about their practices.
They write 400,323 as 400.323 which is 100% fine.. as long as they all know , = . and . = , ... and they do. No problem there at all.
400,323 (US) = 400323 or 400 323 (Sweden)
400.323 (US) = 400,323 (Sweden)
Are you being serious Scorpyn? Why would the swedish people use the comma as a decimal point?
*Wren goes to dictonary.com.
Quote:
Main Entry: decimal point
Function: noun
: a period, centered dot, or in some countries a comma at the left of a proper decimal fraction (as .678) or between the parts of a mixed number (as 3.678) expressed by a whole number and a decimal fraction
...... Why? Why why why? Why why why why why why why why why?
It's a decimal point.. not a decimal comma...
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Posted - 2004.10.13 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: Wren on 13/10/2004 09:30:35
Still, in any case, I don't care if you seperate the numbers with a tuna, 1[tuna]234[tuna]567[whale]89, it would still be better than 1234567.89 to quickly and easily tell that it was in the million range, and not the hundred thousand or ten million range.
And if no system is superior or inferior to another, then why aren't we useing the Incan system where there were no written numbers and we used knotted ropes to show prices?
Because that is stupid.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: Wren on 13/10/2004 09:30:35
Still, in any case, I don't care if you seperate the numbers with a tuna, 1[tuna]234[tuna]567[whale]89, it would still be better than 1234567.89 to quickly and easily tell that it was in the million range, and not the hundred thousand or ten million range.
And if no system is superior or inferior to another, then why aren't we useing the Incan system where there were no written numbers and we used knotted ropes to show prices?
Because that is stupid.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 09:31:00 -
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Language might not be finite, but the damn characters we use to express the language are you high horsed bastard.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 09:31:00 -
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Language might not be finite, but the damn characters we use to express the language are you high horsed bastard.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 09:38:00 -
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So, the progression is..
No numbers
knots on ropes
roman
arabic
and finally what we have today.
So, if no system is inferior, I ask again, why aren't we using roman numerals to program with or knots on ropes when we go to the store?
Because they were phased out as being inferior to the needs of society.
And in EVE, the society needs to not blow millions of ISK on accident due to scamming on prices using the way EVE displays numbers.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 09:38:00 -
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So, the progression is..
No numbers
knots on ropes
roman
arabic
and finally what we have today.
So, if no system is inferior, I ask again, why aren't we using roman numerals to program with or knots on ropes when we go to the store?
Because they were phased out as being inferior to the needs of society.
And in EVE, the society needs to not blow millions of ISK on accident due to scamming on prices using the way EVE displays numbers.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 10:36:00 -
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My fantasies all crumble in the end.
Teehee..
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Posted - 2004.10.13 10:36:00 -
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My fantasies all crumble in the end.
Teehee..
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Posted - 2004.10.13 10:51:00 -
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Edited by: Wren on 13/10/2004 10:54:14
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CCP are known for catering for the weak. The same way they cater for the carebears and their needs, they cater for TheMiner and his inferior brain.
Maybe it is because of the British, Australian, American, Spanish, French, Italian, and other European countries besides the Swede/Scandinavian countries use the decimal point not the decimal comma.
Ever think of that? % of users using the more popular and wide spread system of ######.### to denote a fractional number? Hmmm?
DonĘt start that crap about being weak just because of the system being used now.
We just need a system where hundreds of thousands, millions, and tens of millions are easily distinguished and recognized.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 10:51:00 -
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Edited by: Wren on 13/10/2004 10:54:14
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CCP are known for catering for the weak. The same way they cater for the carebears and their needs, they cater for TheMiner and his inferior brain.
Maybe it is because of the British, Australian, American, Spanish, French, Italian, and other European countries besides the Swede/Scandinavian countries use the decimal point not the decimal comma.
Ever think of that? % of users using the more popular and wide spread system of ######.### to denote a fractional number? Hmmm?
DonĘt start that crap about being weak just because of the system being used now.
We just need a system where hundreds of thousands, millions, and tens of millions are easily distinguished and recognized.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 11:12:00 -
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Time isn't.
But metric is based on base 10.
Time is based on groupings of 60's.
with really not 24 hours per day, but minus 3 minutes 56 seconds, that's why we have leap years
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Posted - 2004.10.13 11:12:00 -
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Time isn't.
But metric is based on base 10.
Time is based on groupings of 60's.
with really not 24 hours per day, but minus 3 minutes 56 seconds, that's why we have leap years
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Posted - 2004.10.13 11:17:00 -
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What else do you suggest? Nuclear time or something using the time it takes for uranium to turn into lead or something?
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Posted - 2004.10.13 11:17:00 -
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What else do you suggest? Nuclear time or something using the time it takes for uranium to turn into lead or something?
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Posted - 2004.10.13 11:29:00 -
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Well, maybe because if you divided a measurement metrically for time for a day, then divided that down again by 100 (so first you have D100 then each D100 is divided by 100) you would have something that is about 14.4 seconds long. Now.... can you imagine trying to use that for a time measurement, if you broke it down again (by 100) it would be too small to comprehend by the average human, but leaving it at the larger value would make telling someone to be someplace at 044.891 damn cumbersome. It's because the day isn't perfectly able to fall into metric, and so the hour and second don't either.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 11:29:00 -
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Well, maybe because if you divided a measurement metrically for time for a day, then divided that down again by 100 (so first you have D100 then each D100 is divided by 100) you would have something that is about 14.4 seconds long. Now.... can you imagine trying to use that for a time measurement, if you broke it down again (by 100) it would be too small to comprehend by the average human, but leaving it at the larger value would make telling someone to be someplace at 044.891 damn cumbersome. It's because the day isn't perfectly able to fall into metric, and so the hour and second don't either.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Wren on 13/10/2004 11:40:30
Edited by: Wren on 13/10/2004 11:39:06
Okay, I can comprehend 14.4 seconds kinda. I might even be able to keep track of 1.44 seconds, but I would be damned to keep track of .144 seconds or 144 seconds. And could you imagine the clock faces?
###:###.###
That is UGLY and more than a little frightning.
Guy1: "Hey Bob, meet you at 88:025.500 tonight."
Guy2(bob): "No can do, I have an appointment at 84:455.900. Make it 90:000:750 or so."
Guy1: "Okay, but then you're gonna miss the dancers."
Guy2(bob): "Damn, I heard there is one chic who is .88 Hotness."
Screw that.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Wren on 13/10/2004 11:40:30
Edited by: Wren on 13/10/2004 11:39:06
Okay, I can comprehend 14.4 seconds kinda. I might even be able to keep track of 1.44 seconds, but I would be damned to keep track of .144 seconds or 144 seconds. And could you imagine the clock faces?
###:###.###
That is UGLY and more than a little frightning.
Guy1: "Hey Bob, meet you at 88:025.500 tonight."
Guy2(bob): "No can do, I have an appointment at 84:455.900. Make it 90:000:750 or so."
Guy1: "Okay, but then you're gonna miss the dancers."
Guy2(bob): "Damn, I heard there is one chic who is .88 Hotness."
Screw that.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 11:59:00 -
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Quote:
so,
10 000 000.99 isk is correct
10 000 000,99 isk is correct
Anything else is not SI.
But eve doesn't, it uses 10000000.00000 and expects you to count zeros to make sure it is saying 10 million.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 11:59:00 -
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so,
10 000 000.99 isk is correct
10 000 000,99 isk is correct
Anything else is not SI.
But eve doesn't, it uses 10000000.00000 and expects you to count zeros to make sure it is saying 10 million.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 12:12:00 -
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Hey, Eris, your .99 hotness in my metric book.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 12:12:00 -
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Hey, Eris, your .99 hotness in my metric book.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 12:21:00 -
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Well.. maybe my math was wrong before, since 10000th of a day is 8.64 seconds....
So... if you took that again by a power of 10 down to .864 seconds, you get a unit almost as long as a second but there would be 100,000 of them per day, starting at just after midnight you would be at 00:000.000, working up to 99:999.999.
... hmm... can you imagine the pain of reading an analog clock?
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Posted - 2004.10.13 12:21:00 -
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Well.. maybe my math was wrong before, since 10000th of a day is 8.64 seconds....
So... if you took that again by a power of 10 down to .864 seconds, you get a unit almost as long as a second but there would be 100,000 of them per day, starting at just after midnight you would be at 00:000.000, working up to 99:999.999.
... hmm... can you imagine the pain of reading an analog clock?
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Posted - 2004.10.13 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dust Puppy
Originally by: Wren
Hey, Eris, your .99 hotness in my metric book.
How does this measurement works is it number of fingers divided by 100 given you have hundred fingers?
I have no idea, I don't even have a metric hotness book.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dust Puppy
Originally by: Wren
Hey, Eris, your .99 hotness in my metric book.
How does this measurement works is it number of fingers divided by 100 given you have hundred fingers?
I have no idea, I don't even have a metric hotness book.
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Posted - 2004.10.13 13:17:00 -
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So is it good or bad to lie and say I have a metric book of hotness which Eris scores highly in?
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Posted - 2004.10.13 13:17:00 -
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So is it good or bad to lie and say I have a metric book of hotness which Eris scores highly in?
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