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Hammer Crendraven Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.05.31 02:29:00 - [1] - Quote This is not a rant for or against the new UI. But I do want to point out to CCP that the new player experience difficulty level just went up a few notches. How? In the tutorial missions often times a reward drops into a hanger inventory. In the past it was visible as soon as the drop happened it was shown on screen the item sitting in front of you in you hanger inventory screen. Now the hanger inventory is rarely ever open on screen when this function occurs. So the drop is invisible to the player and not well described in the tutorial either as to where to look for it. If a default inventory screen is not used to make this obvious for the new player in the tutorials then a description of how this works needs to be added to the tutorial to teach the new player where to look to find his drops. Sure we can all expect them to get it and if they do not they do not belong here anyway. But such an attitude will lose quite a few more players during the trial period than what we used to lose. And simply from frustration. Not being able to quickly locate things they need to play the game. It is oversight as to the impact of the UI changes and how it effects the game. One being the tutorials and how the UI display is currently disfunctional to the tutorial learning curve. CCP can fix this either with UI enhancements or with a better explanation of the function of the UI in the tutorial. Again I am not for or against the new UI. Just need to clean up a few loose ends that oversight has forgotten about.
Kara Books Deal with IT. 142	Posted - 2012.05.31 03:22:00 - [2] - Quote I also want to note, I don't think CCP is aware, but the Tutorial agent is sometimes out of Sync with the actual tutorial missions. I had this problem with the scanning tutorial back when I started, was left with the most horible of impressions where I never really want to scan, I would have though CCP has fixed this but, recently a friend of mines mentioned that the problem with syncing is still alive and well. Some Love and extra computer resources could go a long way, especially when it comes to first impressions!
Torvin Yulus State War Academy Caldari State 4	Posted - 2012.05.31 03:22:00 - [3] - Quote Kara Books wrote: I also want to note, I don't think CCP is aware, but the Tutorial agent is sometimes out of Sync with the actual tutorial missions. I had this problem with the scanning tutorial back when I started, was left with the most horible of impressions where I never really want to scan, I would have though CCP has fixed this but, recently a friend of mines mentioned that the problem with syncing is still alive and well. Some Love and extra computer resources could go a long way, especially when it comes to first impressions! why should ccp fix that stuff new players will quiit anyway when goons frief them.
Pesky LaRue Mercatoris Etherium Cartel 176	Posted - 2012.05.31 03:26:00 - [4] - Quote Torvin Yulus wrote: when goons frief them. is that like "griefing" them, just for the hard of thinking?
MotherMoon Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 766	Posted - 2012.05.31 04:42:00 - [5] - Quote um... I've seen some people at my school coming into eve, and one the 1st things they said was "oh wow the items hanger makes sense now, awesome. so... sorry mate, it'a only pissing of older players, newer players haven't got more than a few ships and items and it's making the game much easier for them to understand. Stop making things up also newer players don't fly hulk, they aren't a target for goonswarm griefing. u mad bro? Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 salesXbox 360: 2.2 millionPlayStation 3: 1.5 millionPC: 500,000
Hammer Crendraven Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2012.05.31 04:59:00 - [6] - Quote MotherMoon wrote: um... I've seen some people at my school coming into eve, and one the 1st things they said was "oh wow the items hanger makes sense now, awesome. so... sorry mate, it'a only pissing of older players, newer players haven't got more than a few ships and items and it's making the game much easier for them to understand. Stop making things up Why would someone intentionally attempt to misslead the devs in an attempt to make the game more difficult to play for new players? That is what I am thinking when I read your comment. Maybe you have a intense dislike for CCP. I am not against the new UI but I would like it to get a better description on how to use it in the tutorial.
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 347	Posted - 2012.05.31 05:00:00 - [7] - Quote Hammer Crendraven wrote: MotherMoon wrote: um... I've seen some people at my school coming into eve, and one the 1st things they said was "oh wow the items hanger makes sense now, awesome. so... sorry mate, it'a only pissing of older players, newer players haven't got more than a few ships and items and it's making the game much easier for them to understand. Stop making things up Why would someone intentionally attempt to misslead the devs in an attempt to make the game more difficult to play for new players? That is what I am thinking when I read your comment. Maybe you have a intense dislike for CCP. I am not against the new UI but I would like it to get a better description on how to use it in the tutorial. The new UI makes sense from an organizational standpoint. The problem is the implementation is garbage.
MotherMoon Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 766	Posted - 2012.05.31 05:43:00 - [8] - Quote Hammer Crendraven wrote: MotherMoon wrote: um... I've seen some people at my school coming into eve, and one the 1st things they said was "oh wow the items hanger makes sense now, awesome. so... sorry mate, it'a only pissing of older players, newer players haven't got more than a few ships and items and it's making the game much easier for them to understand. Stop making things up Why would someone intentionally attempt to misslead the devs in an attempt to make the game more difficult to play for new players? That is what I am thinking when I read your comment. Maybe you have a intense dislike for CCP. I am not against the new UI but I would like it to get a better description on how to use it in the tutorial. becuase you're the one doing that? you want new players to use windows 3.1, instead of windows 7. why do YOU want to make the game harder for new players? the new changes were literraly a result of the feedback by new players. it's not done very well, but any call for using the old one, instead of a working version of the current is "intentionally attempt to misslead the devs in an attempt to make the game more difficult to play for new players" Maybe you should interview some new players instead of talking about you're own gripes at learning a new system when you were used to the old one. Quote: The new UI makes sense from an organizational standpoint. The problem is the implementation is garbage. spot on Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 salesXbox 360: 2.2 millionPlayStation 3: 1.5 millionPC: 500,000
Kara Books Deal with IT. 146	Posted - 2012.05.31 22:01:00 - [9] - Quote MotherMoon wrote: Hammer Crendraven wrote: MotherMoon wrote: um... I've seen some people at my school coming into eve, and one the 1st things they said was "oh wow the items hanger makes sense now, awesome. so... sorry mate, it'a only pissing of older players, newer players haven't got more than a few ships and items and it's making the game much easier for them to understand. Stop making things up Why would someone intentionally attempt to misslead the devs in an attempt to make the game more difficult to play for new players? That is what I am thinking when I read your comment. Maybe you have a intense dislike for CCP. I am not against the new UI but I would like it to get a better description on how to use it in the tutorial. becuase you're the one doing that? you want new players to use windows 3.1, instead of windows 7. why do YOU want to make the game harder for new players? the new changes were literraly a result of the feedback by new players. it's not done very well, but any call for using the old one, instead of a working version of the current is "intentionally attempt to misslead the devs in an attempt to make the game more difficult to play for new players" Maybe you should interview some new players instead of talking about you're own gripes at learning a new system when you were used to the old one. Quote: The new UI makes sense from an organizational standpoint. The problem is the implementation is garbage. spot on Because your 1 opinion and the following 10 more Alts of yours to back your Opinion up dont add up to the 5 or so others who want this fixed. Look at your signiture, 2.2m 1.5M 0.50M you are the 500K
Little Brat Four Gun 18	Posted - 2012.05.31 22:03:00 - [10] - Quote x It is the rule in war, if ten times the enemy's strength, surround them; if five times, attack them; if double, be able to divide them; if equal, engage them; if fewer, be able to evade them; if weaker, be able to avoid them. Sun Tzu, 6th Century BC-á
Sol Badguy Durandal United Homeworlds Academy 2	Posted - 2012.06.01 03:26:00 - [11] - Quote I am a new player. I joined maybe a week before Inferno came out. I had no problem at all adapting to the new UI, honestly I rather like it. furthermore a new player would have no experience with the old UI to base his or her difficulty with the new one on.
Logicycle Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing 43	Posted - 2012.06.01 04:48:00 - [12] - Quote Sol Badguy Durandal wrote: I am a new player. I joined maybe a week before Inferno came out. I had no problem at all adapting to the new UI, honestly I rather like it. furthermore a new player would have no experience with the old UI to base his or her difficulty with the new one on. At least this guy admits he has no idea what the hell he is talking about. TY good sir!!!
Trotula 31	Posted - 2012.06.01 04:50:00 - [13] - Quote You incorrectly assumed that CPP cares about how their game is perceived by the players, new or old. Why else would this mostly non-functional 'feature upgrade' get rolled out to live servers even when test server users repeatedly told CCP that it wasn't even close to being adequate for the live environment?
Xercodo Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition 1113	Posted - 2012.06.01 05:29:00 - [14] - Quote Trotula wrote: You incorrectly assumed that CPP cares about how their game is perceived by the players, new or old. Why else would this mostly non-functional 'feature upgrade' get rolled out to live servers even when test server users repeatedly told CCP that it wasn't even close to being adequate for the live environment? Cause CCP takes their feedback in strides whether or not it came from SiSi or TQ. If you haven't noticed CCP put up a dev blog about inventory system changes the day after Inferno hit TQ. I doubt those were all collected in that one day. As with any software development IRL corporation they set schedules and deadlines. And if you Google about "Fail fast" you'll see it's actually a business thing to do the sorta thing CCP is doing. And since out of the past month 3 of the dev blogs were about Inventory changes, 2 of which within the last two weeks after Inferno's deployment, you can see that CCP sure has hell listened to the feedback. They're now working back and forth between implementing it and getting more of it. I would also agree with MotherMoon here about the new UI actually being BETTER for new players. New players often get lost in the multiple windows that the old system had, especially since they all looked the same, all nearly worked the same way, and their only form of identification once open was the tiny bit of text at the top. The new system now organizes all of the locations into one place so that new players can have a clearer overview of what containers they have available to them and a clear way of accessing them. And furthermore what does C++ have anything to do with this? Edit: Also this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXNsvPN_lrM Some forum posts regarding the new UI have referenced the concept in the presentation above as being almost ready for being a part of the development cycle. We'll likely have some fruits of it later this summer (for the June or August mini-releases) if not this winter. I agree that CCP has quite the history of not really having any sense regarding certain UI designs or changes but I think that concept in that video will surely solve everything :D The Drake is a Lie
Fukushuu Shinaide The Big Bambu 9	Posted - 2012.06.01 21:51:00 - [15] - Quote MotherMoon wrote: um... I've seen some people at my school coming into eve, and one the 1st things they said was "oh wow the items hanger makes sense now, awesome. so... sorry mate, it'a only pissing of older players, newer players haven't got more than a few ships and items and it's making the game much easier for them to understand. Stop making things up also newer players don't fly hulk, they aren't a target for goonswarm griefing. u mad bro? Any mining barge is a GoonSwarm/Hulkageddon target by the rules laid down for the event. That includes Retrievers you noobian slacker. And apparently it needs to be said here again. This change was done because of a Poll. A poll that was taken by 2400 FORMER EvE players. Of which 23 percent (552 people) who thought the inventory system was too hard and took up too much screen space. 552 people. Who don't play Eve. yep...that's the way to do it...money for nothing and the chicks are free...
David Gradivus Pulsar Battalion 4	Posted - 2012.06.02 04:34:00 - [16] - Quote Well, I do think the item UI rehaul wasn't really needed and I think it could be confusing for a new player, but then again maybe not. Speaking from personal experience I am finding it harder to remember what is where because things just seem out of place and I don't have visuals like the ship hangar to look at when I dock up. Maybe it's because I'm used to the old way but as a new player I think I'd still find it clunkier than the old item UI.
PAPULA The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities 1	Posted - 2012.06.02 04:36:00 - [17] - Quote Yea just give us back old UI or at least give us an option to switch to old UI if we want to.
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 71	Posted - 2012.06.02 04:39:00 - [18] - Quote Kara Books wrote: I also want to note, I don't think CCP is aware, but the Tutorial agent is sometimes out of Sync with the actual tutorial missions. I had this problem with the scanning tutorial back when I started, was left with the most horible of impressions where I never really want to scan, I would have though CCP has fixed this but, recently a friend of mines mentioned that the problem with syncing is still alive and well. Some Love and extra computer resources could go a long way, especially when it comes to first impressions! The scanning tutorial should consist of a link to youtube. I kid you ***** not. 3 goddamn hours trying to figure out how to scan down an anomoly with the tutorial. I watched a 5 ***** minute youtube video and was scanning down anomolies with ease for the next 3 hours. WTF CCP?
David Gradivus Pulsar Battalion 4	Posted - 2012.06.02 04:45:00 - [19] - Quote I think an option would be fair. That way people who are fond of the new UI system can have that and the other way for those who favor the old. It seems from what I see and read that people overall are fairly "meh" about the new UI system, with a few people on the outer edges of the spectrum for liking and disliking it.
PAPULA The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities 1	Posted - 2012.06.02 04:50:00 - [20] - Quote David Gradivus wrote: I think an option would be fair. That way people who are fond of the new UI system can have that and the other way for those who favor the old. It seems from what I see and read that people overall are fairly "meh" about the new UI system, with a few people on the outer edges of the spectrum for liking and disliking it. Truth. Option to switch UI (new/old) would be very nice. This would make game playable again in pvp and industry.
General Beatrix Helion Production Labs Mildly Sober 1	Posted - 2012.06.02 05:49:00 - [21] - Quote I disagree. I find it MUCH MUCH more easier
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance 196	Posted - 2012.06.02 06:57:00 - [22] - Quote MotherMoon wrote: um... u mad bro? oh how original.. and stupid. I have witnessed the opposite reaction from new players... that said the new inventory really is a step backward for usability for anything other than the most basic of play. It is really cool if you sit in station and don't do anything.. or if you occasionally rat and loot some. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG]
marVLs 13	Posted - 2012.06.02 07:38:00 - [23] - Quote New UI is better, no more to say. If You can't operate with it there's something wrong with You not UI
Marlona Sky Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies. 1031	Posted - 2012.06.02 08:09:00 - [24] - Quote I like the new UI. Of course there is room for improvement. Once those few tweaks are done, you will turn your nose up at the old UI and fight anyone who tries to make you use it. What is that phrase that all of you are throwing about at anyone who is not 100% please with recent events... oh yes, HTFU/adapt or die! Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner!
Sol Badguy Durandal United Homeworlds Academy 2	Posted - 2012.06.02 08:14:00 - [25] - Quote Logicycle wrote: Sol Badguy Durandal wrote: I am a new player. I joined maybe a week before Inferno came out. I had no problem at all adapting to the new UI, honestly I rather like it. furthermore a new player would have no experience with the old UI to base his or her difficulty with the new one on. At least this guy admits he has no idea what the hell he is talking about. TY good sir!!! With my main at that!
Aramatheia European Nuthouse 22	Posted - 2012.06.02 08:21:00 - [26] - Quote the old ui made orca mining ops a lot easier. It takes minutes now to set up ui on even just 2 accounts due to the failing shift click and the inability of the system to remember settings used barely 2 minutes prior to that quick docking run. I'd also like to know why when i send my orca to dock it replaces my other characters the corp bay window with a duplicate of its cargo hold. I then have to close that when the orca returns and reopen the corp bay (in the wrong division again)
Makkal Hanaya Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2012.06.02 10:55:00 - [27] - Quote I can't say I found it difficult to find the rewards at all.

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