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Natalcya Katla
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 23:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Sepherim
And, by the way, there is no such thing as crime of thought in the Empire, only crimes and sins of acts.
You may be right that there are no universal laws in the Empire against thinking certain kinds of thoughts, although I doubt this is really the case, especially where the intent and possible conspiracy to commit crime is concerned. However, considering the vast number of local governors wielding considerable legal power in their own right, I would be very surprised if no thoughts at all are criminalized somewhere inside its borders.
Incidentally, thinking is an act, often even a conscious act, in principle no different from acts of any other category. Consequently it is perfectly reasonable for any legal authority to criminalize certain kinds of thought or patterns thereof. And like any other law, its merit can be evaluated by measuring its success, or lack thereof, in contributing to the maintenance of social order.
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.27 01:59:00 -
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Being raised to sainthood requires the subject to be deceased, right?
If so, I'd like to suggest that all Amarrian priests strive vigorously for that coveted status. I'll help as best I can.
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar
Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2009.08.27 07:33:00 -
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I have indeed an interesting idea in mind. How about a great gathering of the whole Amarrian church priests in a mobile cathedral that is made of a Providence Freighter and move them a step over the border at the Kourmonen/Auga gate and sing some nice inspiring chorals for the salvation of us subhumans?
I think that is one of those great deeds that could leed for all participants to sainthood, no? And I am quite sure that this great event of happyness and enjoyment will bring all Tribal militiapilots once in their life to a damn cathedral?
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Kazuma Ry
Amarr
Ebon Seraph
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Posted - 2009.08.27 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Alica Wildfire
Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 27/08/2009 07:49:57
I have indeed an interesting idea in mind. How about a great gathering of the whole Amarrian church priests in a mobile cathedral that is made of a Providence Freighter and move them a step over the border at the Kourmonen/Auga gate and sing some nice inspiring chorals for the salvation of us subhumans?
I think that is one of those great deeds that could lead for all participants to sainthood, no? And I am quite sure that this great event of happyness and enjoyment will bring all Tribal Militiapilots once in their life to a damn cathedral?
And yeah -or is it spelled yarr?-, that would really "burn the house down".
Either I am reading this wrong, or you are a hypocrite.
Weren't you the one putting yourself into harms way on behalf of Abel Jareks followers, just because he preached peacefully, and was murdered, and now his peaceful followers are also being hunted down.
So you want to save these followers, by moving them elsewhere, but want our priests to come to militia pilots that we all know don't want to be preached too, and preach, while being shot at. Why don't you also just kill Abel Jareks followers also while your at it.
I am sorry to derail this thread along with these other humans.
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Gorkus Dante
Minmatar
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2009.08.27 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Gorkus Dante on 27/08/2009 11:47:05
I must agree...I want the disiples dead but you miss wildfire are a hypocrit
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Hitome Kei
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Posted - 2009.08.27 13:55:00 -
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Hitome, even though we have goten on in the past I must speak the truth and the truth is that no man should try to enforce there views apon another, and to go where he went, spreading lies. He must of been stupid to think it would of ended any other way. Gorkus Dante'
Mr Dante'
I should just like to say, that whether we have 'goten on" in the past or not, has no bearing on thoughts close to heart in our respective lives. I for one believe that this man was brave and saintly in what he did. I Merely act as my faith leads me. The rest is up to a panel of men and women led by God... Let us hope personal belief are left behind and His wishes adhered to. The greatest acts in life are sometimes looked on by others as stupid or careless or disagreeable. Later in life one can look at that same act and see just what the true intent was by where civilization advanced.
I pray someday, we all see clearly.
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Gorkus Dante
Minmatar
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2009.08.27 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Hitome Kei
Quote:
Hitome, even though we have goten on in the past I must speak the truth and the truth is that no man should try to enforce there views apon another, and to go where he went, spreading lies. He must of been stupid to think it would of ended any other way. Gorkus Dante'
Mr Dante'
I should just like to say, that whether we have 'goten on" in the past or not, has no bearing on thoughts close to heart in our respective lives. I for one believe that this man was brave and saintly in what he did. I Merely act as my faith leads me. The rest is up to a panel of men and women led by God... Let us hope personal belief are left behind and His wishes adhered to. The greatest acts in life are sometimes looked on by others as stupid or careless or disagreeable. Later in life one can look at that same act and see just what the true intent was by where civilization advanced.
I pray someday, we all see clearly.
I pray that one day you see clearly and realise your faith enslaves my people.
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Sophie Starsparrow
Minmatar
Starfish Operating Syndicate
Independent Faction
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Posted - 2009.08.27 17:11:00 -
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I actually agree that Abel Jarek should be made a Saint in the Amarr cannon. He typifies Amarrian values. He blindly believed that his God would protect him. He stupidly chose to enter his neighbours house and preach their inferiority. He pridefully ignored all warnings. He willfully led those around him down a path of suffering.
Sounds like an Amarrian Saint to me.
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Xenea
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Posted - 2009.08.28 01:19:00 -
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Zakara saw the danger to his brother, and did not hesitate; without weapons or armor, he hurled himself at the beast, attacking it with his bare hands. Enraged, the beast turned and struck Zakara, opening a terrible wound in his side. Seizing the moment, Garum ran his sword through the beasts heart, thus ending the battle victorious. But Zakara, mortally wounded, cried out in pain, 'You sacrificed yourself for me,' Garum said, taking his hand. 'We are brothers,' Zakara answered, just before breathing his last. 'And in God we shall remain Brothers for all of time...'
-Book of the Prophet Junip, 10:25-30, The Scriptures
Jarek acted in accordance with the selflessness of Zakara. Garum's skill did not diminish Zakara's sacrifice; Zakara's sacrifice did not diminish Garum's martial prowess. As demonstrated here, in this public forum, some of our 'Brothers' would sooner run a sword through Jarek than strike at the beast as Garum did. After all, should Jarek be honored so, it would diminish their personal quest for glory. I am sure if they had petitioned the Theology Council, it would be an entirely different discussion. As too often, their words are made without the guidance of the Scriptures.
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Grr
Amarr
Epitoth Guard
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.28 01:43:00 -
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It is not the place of a humble pod pilot to petition the Theology Council.
I do appreciete your motives Hitome and agree that what Abel Jarek has done merits sainthood however that will be the decision of people much wiser than us.
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Xenea
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Posted - 2009.08.28 03:57:00 -
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Some have decried the process of the petition itself, while others have denounced the standing of the supplicant. No matter how pious the intent, or how righteous the foundation, there will always be those who savor the role of a naysayers, their logic based on the datestamp of their Concord registrar. Why, it is almost as if they knew better than the Theology Council themselves! When was the last time you saw one of these groups champion a cause they did not engineer to promote their own grandeur?
Humble pod pilots we are indeed.
Let us recall the parable of the little monk who was happily playing on the beach, building his sand cathedral and praising Lord God in song, when all of a sudden the choir bully walked by and stomped on the sand cathedral, laughing, telling the little monk he did not know how to build a proper sand cathedral. In time, that young monk came to be the head of the monastery, and the choir bully was then appointed to emptying chamber pots.
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Sidon Zelotes
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.29 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Grr
It is not the place of a humble pod pilot to petition the Theology Council.
I do appreciete your motives Hitome and agree that what Abel Jarek has done merits sainthood however that will be the decision of people much wiser than us.
Brother JaredĘs willingness to share the truth of Gods will to a hostile people demonstrates both his faith and compassion. While I agree that he should be remembered as a man faithful to the will of God. I must with Mistress Grr. It is simply not our place to presume to give advice in such matters. His sacrifice will bear fruit. Many saw, many heard, some will heed, and in that Gods will is served.
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Gorkus Dante
Minmatar
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2009.08.29 12:51:00 -
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Hear that Htiome? It is not your place to say how you feel, and those above you are to wise to take on the opinions of there servents.
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