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Hitome Kei	Posted - 2009.08.22 18:24:00 - [1] The petition below has been prepared for the attention of the Theology Council with the intent to canonise the late Abel Jarek in order to elevate him to Sainthood. Please sign it here or send me a message in-pod, and i¦ll add your name to the rest of the signatures underneath the petition. ------------------ Petition by: The loyalist community of the EmpireÆs capsuleers. Adressed to: The Reverend Deacon Mervan Moritok. Dear Father Deacon, We, loyalist capsuleers of Amarr, write to you in great humility. We are no clergymen nor professional theologians, but our loyalty is firmly with the Amarr Empire that is dear to our heart and whoÆs interests we defend with all our strength and ability. We realize that it is not our place to pass great decisions on matters of faith, therefore instead we wish to present our case for the canonization of Abel Jarek to you. It is our sincere hope that you will deem it worthy of consideration and that you will present it to be judged by the wise representatives of Holy Mother Church in the Theology Council. We greatly mourn the loss of the hero Abel Jarek, the leader of the Salvation Crusade who was so cowardly and brutally murdered by men so shameful that they had to hide their faces. As is widely known, Abel was unarmed and beaten to death while attempting to shield one of his brutalized converts from physical harm. Abel Jarek was and still remains a great inspiration to many. His peaceful actions have proven many misguided detractors of the Amarrian faith wrong about in their assumptions. He turned the township of Salvation in the Tronhadar Valley on Matar into a shining beacon of faith. He gave those who listened to him the free choice to follow him or not and he was making some progress despite suffering many hardships at the hands of the same masked cowards that murdered him in cold blood. Even after his church was burned to the ground Abel Jarek remained strong in his faith and humbly proclaimed that he was unworthy to build a house of God and choose not to rebuild it to prevent further violence in a gesture of peace and goodwill. Tragically, this was not enough to stop the savages from returning and this time butchering him in their fear and ignorance. The religious persecution inside the Republic is a cause of great concern to many. The faithful in this so-called free nation are forced to practice their religion in secret for fear of being killed by masked executioners. Abel Jarek wore no mask nor a weapon and was one of the few with the courage to proudly pronounce his faith without fear. For the sake of his legacy, and to show his murderers that by martyring Abel Jarek they only strengthened his cause in the long run, we humbly ask you to consider his addition into the canon of recognized saints so that he will keep inspiring Minmatar believers everywhere until far in the future. Yours in the Lord, Lucius Vindictus of the Ordo Magna alliance. Also signed by: Ordo Magna alliance: Hitome Kei Bobknight Hailey Ironclaw Sepherim Sardoniac LadyZelda Sh'toq
Scourge Drakonis Minmatar Legio Decimus Inc	Posted - 2009.08.22 23:16:00 - [2] I would like to add my name to this petition. "Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the Heir to the throne of the Kingdom of Idiots fights a war on 12 fronts!" -Londo Mallari, Centuari Ambassador
Kazzzi Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.22 23:54:00 - [3] Edited by: Kazzzi on 22/08/2009 23:55:26 Abel Jarek got what he deserved. Let his death be a lesson to all fundamentalists who try to spread their lies where they aren't wanted.
Wheya Amarr Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen	Posted - 2009.08.23 00:06:00 - [4] Abel Jarek was an idiot, going to the most barbaric and unruly tribe of all Minmatar tribes unarmed. If such stupidity deserves sainthood I am lost for words.
Math'ra Hiede Amarr Ordo Nigrorum Susurri Ordo Magna	Posted - 2009.08.23 03:30:00 - [5] I hereby wish to add my name to the list of supporters for this motion. Abel Jarek was an honourable man and the actions of the pathetic terrorists who stole his life show the barbaric nature of the un-informed, and the hatred caused by ignorance. ------------------------------------------------ Geburah Archon Princeps "Innocence Proves Nothing" -Solen Sean ------------------------------------------------
edeity Holy Amarrian Battlemonk	Posted - 2009.08.23 04:23:00 - [6] I wish to communicate my support in memory of one who chose to bring light to those in darkness, hope to those consumed with despair. One who gives their very life for the cause of Truth a saint. He has done his part, we must do ours in the fields of our diverse labours. The sins of ignorance, bitterness and folly always try to hold back those who will be saved. Resolve, even the ultimate resolve with fire must be brought to bear on those who continue in sin.
Koronakesh Amarr The Synenose Accord	Posted - 2009.08.23 04:51:00 - [7] Would like to add my identification to this piece of documentation as well.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris Ordo Magna	Posted - 2009.08.23 16:08:00 - [8] Heading unarmed to meet with the Minmatarr in an effort to use words is no show of stupidity, Miss Wheya, but of a great valour, strength and trust in Him. The Minmatarr are no fools, and words can be as useful with them as weapons. Ignoring one would be the same as using only one leg when you have two. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist http://z10.invisionfree.com/Ordo_quaesitorisOrdo Qu
Alica Wildfire Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2009.08.23 16:31:00 - [9] I already stated that Abel Jarek was the victim of a blinding religion and that his pride to deny any protection by Minmatar tribal guards was not what a wise man would have done. Even if it would not for his own safety it would be better for his followers. A pride man like Abel Jarek might be an innocent vicitim of random violence, slain by accident in a rabble but I don't think that this is enough to call him a saint. Then every Minmatar slave that is protecting his child from the whip of the guards by his own back would be a saint. Make them all saints and let them free, then make Abel Jarek a saint I say. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
Kazuma Ry Amarr Ebon Seraph	Posted - 2009.08.23 17:12:00 - [10] I would like to add my name to this document. It is a shame that such a man is murdered, while trying to practice what he believes in, in a Republic that is suppose to allow Freedom of Speech.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.23 19:48:00 - [11] The issue you'll hit with the Theology Council with your request is that you do not detail what acts he performed that qualify him as a Saint. You say he was brave and that he preached the Word. What you do not say is what miracles he performed nor how he had become a conduit to God.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.23 19:48:00 - [12] While the blessed Jarek is certainly a figure worthy of veneration due to his most brave life and martyrdom... since when do Amarr use petitions to ask for canonization? Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.23 19:52:00 - [13] Too soon. Inappropriate to post a petition of this sort in public. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Seriphyn Inhonores Gallente Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.23 20:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Kazuma Ry I would like to add my name to this document. It is a shame that such a man is murdered, while trying to practice what he believes in, in a Republic that is suppose to allow Freedom of Speech. Seems freedom of speech and belief is just a Gallente idealogy. A shame, I think, but I shall not be signing this petition for political reasons. Nonetheless, I condemn the murder overall for its cowardice. Seriphyn Inhonores Luminaire District Parliament candidate for Greater Monipuolinen ward Sociocrat Party
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris Ordo Magna	Posted - 2009.08.23 23:27:00 - [15] Actually, the sainthood of most of the saints in our Pantheon of Sainthood have been proposed by those who have witnessed their deeds. We all have done so, through the news, we saw his strength, his faith, his valour and decision. His will to change things in His name through the road of peace, a road that hasn't been walked much lately unfortunately. It is our duty to raise our voices in praise of such a noble man, such a martyr. And this is as good a method to ask for such thing as any other. The Theology Council will hear of our petition and, if they deem it inappropriate, they will ignore it. It is them that shall decide on that. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist http://z10.invisionfree.com/Ordo_quaesitorisOrdo Qu
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.24 02:29:00 - [16] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 24/08/2009 02:30:17 Quote: It is our duty to raise our voices in praise of such a noble man, such a martyr. Yes. So raise your voices. Remember him. Write down accounts of his life and deeds. But do not cheapen the sanctity of his death with trite gallente inspired petitions. Quote: And this is as good a method to ask for such thing as any other. No. It is a gallente perversion. It is an insult to a brave and blessed man that you would be so crass as to use a petition of all things to praise him with. You would reduce people who should be praising this martyr to mere signatures on a meaningless document. Remember him in his deeds. Tell his story. Do it the traditional Amarrian way with decorum and honor. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Drakonus Laerdon Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.24 02:54:00 - [17] I must agree with Brother Merdaneth with regards to this topic: it is FAR too soon to begin to think about canonization for this man. He was a very brave man, and his death should and will inspire millions of the Faithful, but this is a matter that should take time to occur, and only the Theology Council should determine this. It is not our place to call upon our Superiors to canonize him. Over the past millenium, the Minmatar people, with few exceptions, have proven themselves to be a disgusting, barbaric, and ignorant people. Abel Jarek shows us that not all of his kind are beyond redemption, and this only further strengthens the Holy Purpose of Amarr. Let him be a shining example of the potential of his Race, God bless him. --------------- Non Nobis, Domine, Non Nobis, Sed nomini tuo da gloriam.
Casiella Truza Ecliptic Rift	Posted - 2009.08.24 03:43:00 - [18] Great, that's what we need. More people doing stupid things in the unprovable belief that a Giant Invisible Man in the sky will give them privileges and all sorts of neat little gifts in his clubhouse. Only after they die, of course, so nobody has any evidence. They just believe what they want to believe. Killing him didn't prove anything and neither does this. But hey, better spend your time on this than actually trying to shove your government and religion down everyone else's throats, right? -- EVE Blog EVE Twitter
Aldrith Shutaq Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.24 03:56:00 - [19] Originally by: Casiella Truza More people doing stupid things in the unprovable belief that a Giant Invisible Man in the sky will give them privileges and all sorts of neat little gifts in his clubhouse. Only after they die, of course, so nobody has any evidence. They just believe what they want to believe. I fear, madam, that you oversimplify religon, and Amarrians, quite a bit. What you do is akin to how some Amarrians oversimplify Matari beliefs, and thusly the people themselves. Abel Jarkek died for something he believed in, and in fact we all should be gladdened and greatful for his will to Reclaim without voilence. I pray more of my people follow his example, and that rather demanding blood in vengeance, ask only for solemn respect from the people Jarek believed to be helping. Signed.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris Ordo Magna	Posted - 2009.08.24 13:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Yes. So raise your voices. Remember him. Write down accounts of his life and deeds. But do not cheapen the sanctity of his death with trite gallente inspired petitions. We remember him, we have written down his accounts and deeds in our databases, and now we are raising our voices. But voices can only travel so far, to those that can hear you, to make them reach beyond those limits, there must be more people speaking about it. So to make them reach the masses, the planet-bound people, those that live in orbit cities... for that, we need the Theology Council, or else it will be all lost in time. So, it may be quick, but it is never too soon. As for being a Gallente method, petitions have been used forever inside the Holder caste, for example, when one vassal asks his liege to support him in one way or another, for example. Such petitions, and many others, are integral to our culture and society, we don't cheapen anything by using it. And no, I'm not implying we are Holders, but lacking any lords above us due to being pod pilots, all we can do is speak for ourselves, and hope someone listens. Quote: You would reduce people who should be praising this martyr to mere signatures on a meaningless document. It is not a meaningless document, Lord Lok'ri, it is a petitiion, a show of the faith of those that are willing to sign it. They are not reduced to signatures, they can praise him and pray for him as well, but they can also support him in a more direct way. We do not reduce anyone by doing this, this is something that can only be done in this way, so we are giving them new options and doors. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist http://z10.invisionfree.com/Ordo_quaesitorisOrdo Qu
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.24 14:59:00 - [21] Originally by: Sepherim We do not reduce anyone by doing this, this is something that can only be done in this way, so we are giving them new options and doors. Write an eulogy. Ask that others contribute to it. If you think a petition one can sign is 'the only way it can be done', you simply aren't familiar enough with proper Amarrian traditions. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris Ordo Magna	Posted - 2009.08.25 01:37:00 - [22] Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Sepherim We do not reduce anyone by doing this, this is something that can only be done in this way, so we are giving them new options and doors. Write an eulogy. Ask that others contribute to it. If you think a petition one can sign is 'the only way it can be done', you simply aren't familiar enough with proper Amarrian traditions. Does having one right arm prevent you from using your left arm? Have I ever said it is the only way it can or should be done? Both answers are the same: no. Lord Merdaneth, we have already organized a public eulogy for him in the past as you can see here. We have also discussed these matters between us as well, and remembered him and thought of him. Does this prevent us from making such a petition as well? The answer, as before, is: no. If we can do both things, why should we only do one of them? Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist http://z10.invisionfree.com/Ordo_quaesitorisOrdo Qu
Kazzzi Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.25 02:49:00 - [23] I feel that this petition is a great idea for two reasons. 1. It defies Amarrian culture, law and tradition. A petition is a demand for a change and the Amarr Empire doesn't respond well to petty demands. 2. Should the Theology Council decide that Abel Jarek is not worthy of cannonization, then everyone who signs this list will be committing heresy for demanding otherwise. So please do enjoy what the wrath of the Empire has in store for your foolish schism. I hope they put your punishments up on public holoreel.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris Ordo Magna	Posted - 2009.08.25 03:04:00 - [24] Originally by: Kazzzi 1. It defies Amarrian culture, law and tradition. A petition is a demand for a change and the Amarr Empire doesn't respond well to petty demands. Mr Kazzzi, I believe you misunderstand many things. Petition, for starters, is not the same as demand, in any sense. It demands no change, and doesn't break either culture, nor law, nor traditions. A petition is the solemn recognition that someone is more powerful, respect-deserving and wise than one. But that person is also a human being, like we are, so can't be in every place, know every thing. We just call to his attention that we believe someone, in this case Abel Jarek, deserves such a recognition. He is the one to decide if that is appropriate or not. Tell me, then, where does this imply all you say? And where does it break with what you indicate about Amarrian society? Quote: 2. Should the Theology Council decide that Abel Jarek is not worthy of cannonization, then everyone who signs this list will be committing heresy for demanding otherwise. So please do enjoy what the wrath of the Empire has in store for your foolish schism. I hope they put your punishments up on public holoreel. You understand pretty little of Amarrian religion, that is rather obvious. There is no schism here: the Theology Council is above everything in what religion refers to. If the Coundil decides that he is not worthy of cannonization, then all is said. Our petition is denied, and nothing more needs to be said or done. Since we are not demanding (we haven't got the power nor the right nor anything to do so), we are not commiting any heresy. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist http://z10.invisionfree.com/Ordo_quaesitorisOrdo Qu
Sinjin Mokk Amarr	Posted - 2009.08.25 04:49:00 - [25] Forgive me, I have been in a secluded order for sometime and I'm not familiar with this one. Did he perform any miracles? S. Mokk
Kazzzi Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.25 05:43:00 - [26] Originally by: Sepherim we are not commiting any heresy. You signed your names to a document stating formally that you believe Jarek is deserving of sainthood. If the Theology council decides that your God does not agree... well beliefs are dangerous, especially if your case is under review by one of the Empire's more zealous inquisitors. I would wish you luck and all, but honestly I'd rather watch you all burn.
Gorkus Dante	Posted - 2009.08.25 13:22:00 - [27] Hitome, even though we have goten on in the past I must speak the truth and the truth is that no man should try to enforce there views apon another, and to go where he went, spreading lies. He must of been stupid to think it would of ended any other way.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.25 13:50:00 - [28] Either he was a saint or he was not. Why should humans make a judgement on the matter at all? *Let My People Go*
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris Ordo Magna	Posted - 2009.08.25 14:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Kazzzi You signed your names to a document stating formally that you believe Jarek is deserving of sainthood. If the Theology council decides that your God does not agree... well beliefs are dangerous, especially if your case is under review by one of the Empire's more zealous inquisitors. I would wish you luck and all, but honestly I'd rather watch you all burn. A heresy means that you hold Religious Believes that difer from those officially stated by the Theology Council. Such is the definition of heresy. We do not hold such believes, we just think he deserves such a praise. If the Theology Council considers he doesn't, then there is nothing more to say. And, by the way, there is no such thing as crime of thought in the Empire, only crimes and sins of acts. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist http://z10.invisionfree.com/Ordo_quaesitorisOrdo Qu
Xenea	Posted - 2009.08.26 06:35:00 - [30] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri ...since when do Amarr use petitions to ask for canonization? In October of YC 110 heir Catiz Tash-Murkon met with the Theology Council to petition the elevation of Artus Arkkon, a Udorian of all things, to sainthood. Also, in August of YC 108, the Order of St. Tetrimon petitioned the Theology Council to revoke Golan Trevize's privileges granted by the Cross of the Sacred Throne. You will find this well documented in your own archives. Your superciliousness is incalculable and inexhaustible.

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