IMO you should get kill rights for being ganked in hisec even if you shoot back. I don't really understand the current logic as far as that goes. I also like the many proposed changes to the bounty system/transferable kill rights.

Also, it should be legal to pod people who are -10 (maybe set the threshold at below -7.5 or something).

And no, I'm not a carebear, and have participated a little bit in Hulkageddon V.

Clearly you arent a regular miner - most gankers are -10 sec, all they do is grab a destroyer from station or an orca, warp in to their scout alt, gank some miner, then warp the pod back to station. Repeat every 15 mins.

That's not even remotely true. The vast majority of the ganks that happen are random people who feel like killing a miner. -10 alts with a character ejecting ships from an orca for them are uncommon.

Will you please be so kind to tell me how i should do that:

Getting ganked in a hulk, ok so.
My Arazu might be 3 jumps away, so i go to pick it up.
Coming back to ganking site, check if my friend is still in local.
Checking belts or probing.

Finding my friend blowing his catalyst up with my Arazu.
Getting concorded, as 15 min timer is over by 30 mins.

My loss: 1 hulk, 1 arazu
His loss: 2 catalysts

Any thoughts?

Jackles hunt in packs. Most miners I know are solo players. Feeding the jackles with foolish retaliatory attempts seems pretty pointless and it's like giveing them what they want isn't it?

This post is to remind people that seem to forgot you get kill rights if your ganked in high sec.

Most people ganking miners are generally not flying around a lot in shiny Incursion ships or such. Nor do most miners have the necessary skills to take them on.

Kill-rights will only become useful if they no longer stupidly expire after 30 days, allow podkilling, are transferable to 'bounty-hunters' and will be tied into a new bounty system based on loss-value.

ok people i grow tried of the whole risk of ganking vs isk or what ever gain you get from it.

U get ganked you have kill rights on the guy that ganked you wait unill hes in a costly ship hunt him down and kill him have friend there to rr your sry butt and take him down.

i used my kills rights long ago to pay some jerk that ganked me and i kick his butt and he was 3 years old vs my 6 month old char when i went after him

only if people do not use disposable 1week old alts to gank miners....

you know: most of gankers are 0.0 sec alts so you wil never seen them in "costly" ship doing business in empire....
That's why kill rights do not work


so what did you kill him after you lost 300mils hulk? Don't say he boarded Ibis, loaded it by PLEXes and went to Jita immediately?

Really now, realistically, what are the odds that a High-Sec miner will have the ship/mods/skills to be able to hunt down his aggressor and having a chance to survive the encounter?

Slim to null.

Also, it should be legal to pod people who are -10 (maybe set the threshold at below -7.5 or something).

i also belive you do get kill rights if your attacked first in high sec and lose your ship even if you fire back not sure on that.