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Alpha Prime
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2009.08.23 20:48:00 -
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Since im a fan of Blasters for 6 years, from the day i started to play EVE, i have
to ask the status of the Proteus DPS compared to the other t3 cruisers.
Does the dps on the proteus suck compared to the other cruisers or are the blasters
finally staying true to their description?.
I was having a conversation about these cruisers and brought up the subject.
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Galliana Foresta
Fleeting Moments of Insanity
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Posted - 2009.08.23 22:00:00 -
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Mine does 800 dps with over 250k EHP.
Yeah, it stinks like a hog. 
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techzer0
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.08.23 22:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Galliana Foresta
Mine does 800 dps with over 250k EHP.
Yeah, it stinks like a hog.
The exact reason I'm training the Proteus first... 1h 5mins to get my butt flyin one 
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.08.23 23:11:00 -
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It can be pushed to around 1150 dps.
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Letifer Deus
Bannable Offense.
Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.08.24 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Letifer Deus on 24/08/2009 00:12:51
The proteus can do about the same DPS as a 3x MS gank deimos, but with over 5x the EHP (and MUCH better resistances). Or it can do ~15% more DPS and around 3x the EHP.
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Actumarius
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Posted - 2009.08.24 00:24:00 -
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Fit plz? you have my attention :-)
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.24 00:27:00 -
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It does zero dps, because, being a blaster ship, it will never be in range to actually shoot anything.
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UMEE
Gunship Diplomacy
Double Dutch Rudders
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Posted - 2009.08.24 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
It does zero dps, because, being a blaster ship, it will never be in range to actually shoot anything.
cruiser-sized blaster boats actually move fast enough to reach their target quickly. proteus gets mwd bonus as well.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.24 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
It does zero dps, because, being a blaster ship, it will never be in range to actually shoot anything.
Incoming Sera Ryskin ****-storm.
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.08.24 01:01:00 -
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Merin exaggerates slightly, but if you seriously think all that paper dps makes it instantly the best t3 you're pretty naive.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
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Letifer Deus
Bannable Offense.
Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.08.24 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: UMEE
Originally by: Sera Ryskin
It does zero dps, because, being a blaster ship, it will never be in range to actually shoot anything.
cruiser-sized blaster boats actually move fast enough to reach their target quickly. proteus gets mwd bonus as well.
shutting off a targets MWD at 19km with a faction scram also helps close the gap.
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Red zeon
Caldari
Circle of Shadows
Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.08.24 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Letifer Deus
Originally by: UMEE
Originally by: Sera Ryskin
It does zero dps, because, being a blaster ship, it will never be in range to actually shoot anything.
cruiser-sized blaster boats actually move fast enough to reach their target quickly. proteus gets mwd bonus as well.
shutting off a targets MWD at 19km with a faction scram also helps close the gap.
wich are standard fit in every pvp fit.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.24 01:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 24/08/2009 01:38:24
Originally by: Letifer Deus
Originally by: UMEE
Originally by: Sera Ryskin
It does zero dps, because, being a blaster ship, it will never be in range to actually shoot anything.
cruiser-sized blaster boats actually move fast enough to reach their target quickly. proteus gets mwd bonus as well.
shutting off a targets MWD at 19km with a faction scram also helps close the gap.
I hear multiple-1600mm-plated cruisers actually have a chance to catch a properly-fit cruiser with a 30km (36km overload) faction disruptor...
Oh wait, they don't. Anything your Proteus can catch is slow enough that you might as well just bring a Megathron (or better, an Armageddon) and do more dps with a tiny fraction of the price tag.
Originally by: UMEE
Originally by: Sera Ryskin
It does zero dps, because, being a blaster ship, it will never be in range to actually shoot anything.
cruiser-sized blaster boats actually move fast enough to reach their target quickly. proteus gets mwd bonus as well.
The Proteus gets a MWD cap or sig increase bonus, not a speed bonus. And once you consider that the average Proteus fit has at least one (if not more) 1600mm plates and 3x trimark rigs, that Proteus is pretty hilariously slow compared to a good cruiser.
Sure, you might catch a BC or battleship, but if that's what you're going after, you might as well just fly a Megathron and do even more damage for a tiny fraction of the price.
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Letifer Deus
Bannable Offense.
Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.08.24 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: Red zeon
wich are standard fit in every pvp fit.
On a cruiser that costs 1/2 bill+? Yes, I would think so.
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Letifer Deus
Bannable Offense.
Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.08.24 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
I hear multiple-1600mm-plated cruisers actually have a chance to catch a properly-fit cruiser with a 30km (36km overload) faction disruptor...
yes, every fight in eve starts beyond 20km, I agree. And every cruiser fits 150 mil domi disruptors. Also agreed.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.24 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest
Originally by: Sera Ryskin
It does zero dps, because, being a blaster ship, it will never be in range to actually shoot anything.
Incoming Sera Ryskin ****-storm.
oh shi-**** GET IN THE CAR!
crap too late
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UMEE
Gunship Diplomacy
Double Dutch Rudders
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Posted - 2009.08.24 06:32:00 -
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blaster boats do have a role on gates...especially if they decloak last. lots of targets are sub-20km range in these situations, and not everyone packs a scram.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.24 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: UMEE
blaster boats do have a role on gates...especially if they decloak last. lots of targets are sub-20km range in these situations, and not everyone packs a scram.
roles that are, unfortunately, better occupied by pulse boats due to their range.
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2009.08.24 06:41:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 24/08/2009 06:42:05
Originally by: Letifer Deus
Edited by: Letifer Deus on 24/08/2009 06:33:02
Originally by: Sera Ryskin
I hear multiple-1600mm-plated cruisers actually have a chance to catch a properly-fit cruiser with a 30km (36km overload) faction disruptor...
yes, every fight in eve starts beyond 20km (18.9, whatever), I agree. And every cruiser fits 150 mil domi disruptors. Also agreed. There are also never tacklers flying with strategic cruisers and having approx. 2x better resistances (thus RR is 2x as effective on proteus) is pointless.
even if you manage to warp closer, even braindead pilots are clever enough to burn away from you in seconds 
but then if you catch someone with a bubble right next to you, this might be another thing, although a lazor boat or a cheap mega would do this better for less isk 
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UMEE
Gunship Diplomacy
Double Dutch Rudders
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Posted - 2009.08.24 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: UMEE
blaster boats do have a role on gates...especially if they decloak last. lots of targets are sub-20km range in these situations, and not everyone packs a scram.
roles that are, unfortunately, better occupied by pulse boats due to their range.
if we were talking about the diemost, then sure. but proteus does quite a bit more dps than a harbie, not to mention 4x the EHP.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.24 06:53:00 -
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Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 24/08/2009 06:56:02
Originally by: Letifer Deus
yes, every fight in eve starts beyond 20km (18.9, whatever), I agree.
Enough of them do that a multi-billion-ISK ship with zero chance of success if the target does not start below 20km is a pretty stupid idea. It only takes one to turn you into a very expensive lossmail, you know.
On second thought, feel free to bring your Proteus to a belt in my system, I'll happily kill you 1v1 with my nano Curse. Just please remember to bring lots of money for the ransom.
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And every cruiser fits 150 mil domi disruptors.
We're talking about a T3 cruiser with a faction warp scrambler, so I think it's fair to compare it to a ship with a faction warp disruptor. If you want to compare T2 modules to T2 modules, that no-MWD zone gets even smaller, and staying out of range of the Proteus without losing point gets MUCH easier.
Besides, if your main target is cheap ships with cheap fits, there are much easier ways to kill them than throwing away tons of money on a T3 cruiser. I hardly think that the Proteus' ability to dominate T1 cruisers is worth bragging about...
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There are also never tacklers flying with strategic cruisers
If you have tacklers, then just bring an Astarte for a fraction of the cost, since the lack of speed won't be a problem against a webbed and scrambled target.
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and having approx. 2x better resistances (thus RR is 2x as effective on proteus) is pointless.
The Proteus only has standard T2 resists, which means zero RR advantage compared to a HAC and minimal advantage compared to an Astarte.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.24 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: UMEE
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: UMEE
blaster boats do have a role on gates...especially if they decloak last. lots of targets are sub-20km range in these situations, and not everyone packs a scram.
roles that are, unfortunately, better occupied by pulse boats due to their range.
if we were talking about the diemost, then sure. but proteus does quite a bit more dps than a harbie, not to mention 4x the EHP.
even so, isk/effectiveness tends to the pulse boats here, unless you can somehow put blasters at 10km optimal with null or smth, even with the damage increase, the range drawbacks means that pulses > blasters.
and if you add T3 for T3 sake, then you can slap a legion there.
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.08.24 08:09:00 -
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Rane is quite importent, so I would never solo in a Proteus. But then again, if all it does is provide dps to a tackle target, why spend so much isk on it?
I have yet too look into a rail proteus, not sure if its viable.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.24 08:12:00 -
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Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 24/08/2009 08:12:42
Originally by: Lindsay Logan
I have yet too look into a rail proteus, not sure if its viable.
It's not. DPS is hilariously bad, you have really bad tracking problems up close with CNAM (the only way to get even remotely useful dps), and at longer ranges where you can track effectively you end up with a ship that's worse than an Eagle or Zealot, but with a massively higher price tag.
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Sybilla Prior
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Posted - 2009.08.24 08:21:00 -
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Seems easier to me to use the MWD to stay OUT of scrambler range rather than use it to stay in blaster range, as you can also use rails and drones instead of blasters.
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.08.24 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 24/08/2009 08:12:42
Originally by: Lindsay Logan
I have yet too look into a rail proteus, not sure if its viable.
It's not. DPS is hilariously bad, you have really bad tracking problems up close with CNAM (the only way to get even remotely useful dps), and at longer ranges where you can track effectively you end up with a ship that's worse than an Eagle or Zealot, but with a massively higher price tag.
You seem to be right.
I had a short look at it:
[Proteus, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Overdrive Injector System II
Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Iridium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Iridium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Iridium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Iridium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Iridium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Iridium Charge M
Polycarbon Engine Housing II
Polycarbon Engine Housing II
Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Hammerhead II x5
Not that great dps, tho range is nice enough. 591 dps with antimatter tho, at 18km. Tho drones stand for about 150 dps alone.
As for teh tank, well, it has ok sih ehp, but any plates or trimarks slow it down, so using extreme range adna rep seem like the most sensiblet hing to do, tho still seem too expencive. (well, T3 prices got a prod cost right under 300 Mill now...)
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.24 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Durzel on 24/08/2009 09:54:39
You could of course fit a CovOps cloak (and thus dictate range) & expanded prober to a Proteus and still achieve well over 400dps excluding drones.
Try doing that with any of the other T3s.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.08.24 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Alpha Prime
Since im a fan of Blasters for 6 years, from the day i started to play EVE, i have
to ask the status of the Proteus DPS compared to the other t3 cruisers.
Does the dps on the proteus suck compared to the other cruisers or are the blasters
finally staying true to their description?.
I was having a conversation about these cruisers and brought up the subject.
I have all four T3 ships, and almost every sub skill trained to 4 for every race. I don't fly the Proteus. That should tell you something. Speaking of which, would you like to buy one? Hardly used.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.08.24 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel
Edited by: Durzel on 24/08/2009 09:54:39
You could of course fit a CovOps cloak (and thus dictate range) & expanded prober to a Proteus and still achieve well over 400dps excluding drones.
Try doing that with any of the other T3s.
The Loki with it's cloaking offensive module easily achieves 400+ DPS. My Loki setups have comparable/more tank than a similar cloaking Proteus setup, has 4x mids (which the Proteus lacks) and does similar/more DPS than the Proteus, all while having a web that has an optimal of 30+km.
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Commoner
Caldari
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.08.24 14:48:00 -
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As ambassador Kosh would say it: Yes.
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