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Reptar
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Posted - 2004.10.13 23:46:00 -
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whats wrong with hiring ex m0o? As long as you got milk that is..
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Reptar
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Posted - 2004.10.13 23:46:00 -
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whats wrong with hiring ex m0o? As long as you got milk that is..
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.10.13 23:53:00 -
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Posting with alts is lame.
Posting secret corp. info with an alt is lamer.
You get my drift.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.10.13 23:53:00 -
[34]
Posting with alts is lame.
Posting secret corp. info with an alt is lamer.
You get my drift.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Christobel
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Posted - 2004.10.13 23:56:00 -
[35]
 Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Posting with alts is lame.
Posting secret corp. info with an alt is lamer.
You get my drift.
Well, corrupting a corp is worse and the truth needs to be exposed.
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Christobel
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Posted - 2004.10.13 23:56:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Posting with alts is lame.
Posting secret corp. info with an alt is lamer.
You get my drift.
Well, corrupting a corp is worse and the truth needs to be exposed.
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Christobel
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Posted - 2004.10.13 23:58:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Reptar
whats wrong with hiring ex m0o? As long as you got milk that is..
Whats wrong is we mine and donate isk to the corp so we can pay to hire pirates when that is suppose to be what we fight for.....
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Christobel
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Posted - 2004.10.13 23:58:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Reptar
whats wrong with hiring ex m0o? As long as you got milk that is..
Whats wrong is we mine and donate isk to the corp so we can pay to hire pirates when that is suppose to be what we fight for.....
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CYVOK
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Posted - 2004.10.13 23:58:00 -
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13) Do I really care that you posted what you did?
NO, please post all 17,897 replies and eve mails I have ever sent out to the corp or posted on our forums. I could care less. The great thing about the truth always being public is that you donÆt need to make up excuses or reasons. They have already been stated.
14) If you think CLS is a threat to anyone but our enemies you have issues! We have never bothered anyone in EvE that did not ask to be bothered. What little power we have we use to better the playing experience of our members and our friends. Its that simple.
15) The ISK for the m0o hire came out of the pockets of those personally willing to help for that cause and some out of our corp wallet. Several xetic member corps helped rise the ISK.
16) Syncore has been a great friend to CLS for a long time. CLS has helped them on a great many occasions with a great many things, they have been nothing but honorable in returning those favors. Every corp in eve could only wish they had friends as good as CLS has in Syncore! The simple fact is that if your enemy is going to attempt to clobber you it is good to have lots of friends to clobber back. We have lost of friends for no other reason then the fact that we have always done our best to help out anyone in need in the past.
17) Next time you post, please include something that really matters to players in EvE. Like the fact that the curse alliance considers CLS such a threat that they all have to slowly declare war against us. Even with that the fact that it takes so many well know PvP corps to take on a corp full of miners and agent runners is funny as hell. Maybe we will form an alliance with the caldarià..?
18) I will be happy to address any other concerns or questions posed by real members and not cowards hiding behind alts.
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CYVOK
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Posted - 2004.10.13 23:58:00 -
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13) Do I really care that you posted what you did?
NO, please post all 17,897 replies and eve mails I have ever sent out to the corp or posted on our forums. I could care less. The great thing about the truth always being public is that you donÆt need to make up excuses or reasons. They have already been stated.
14) If you think CLS is a threat to anyone but our enemies you have issues! We have never bothered anyone in EvE that did not ask to be bothered. What little power we have we use to better the playing experience of our members and our friends. Its that simple.
15) The ISK for the m0o hire came out of the pockets of those personally willing to help for that cause and some out of our corp wallet. Several xetic member corps helped rise the ISK.
16) Syncore has been a great friend to CLS for a long time. CLS has helped them on a great many occasions with a great many things, they have been nothing but honorable in returning those favors. Every corp in eve could only wish they had friends as good as CLS has in Syncore! The simple fact is that if your enemy is going to attempt to clobber you it is good to have lots of friends to clobber back. We have lost of friends for no other reason then the fact that we have always done our best to help out anyone in need in the past.
17) Next time you post, please include something that really matters to players in EvE. Like the fact that the curse alliance considers CLS such a threat that they all have to slowly declare war against us. Even with that the fact that it takes so many well know PvP corps to take on a corp full of miners and agent runners is funny as hell. Maybe we will form an alliance with the caldarià..?
18) I will be happy to address any other concerns or questions posed by real members and not cowards hiding behind alts.
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CYVOK
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Posted - 2004.10.13 23:58:00 -
[41]
Well you skip this log reply if you wish...
Negotiator, consider your self added to the list!
Dude, it is not like CLS keeps secrets from the universe so let me attempt to address all this.
1) I DO NOT have an alt in m0o and never have claimed to. I did once belong to a corp that had many m0o members. During that time I did not play EvE to much because of EnB. I was booted from that corp because of not participating much, as rightly I should have been. The only reason I have mentioned this fact is so that the more nervous corp members realize that I do actually know some of them and that they can be ôtrustedö. Also my corp and many other have nothing but the greatest respect for the m0o players, they get results and are a blast to fly with!! Any corp in EvE would be lucky to call the majority of them members.
2) When it comes to being an anti-pirate corp. We are. Members are not allowed to engage in piracy and are terminated immediately for such actions. As far as ôhiringö new members that once were pirates goes, CLS has turned down very few applications. This is simply because we believe that everyone should be given a fair chance in our corp.
3) We have decided to hire the former m0o guys for several reasons. We have great respect for the abilities. We know they will be a huge asset to our PvP fleet. We would HATE to have to face them on the battle field had they decided to join an enemy. Yes it is a risk to hire them, but I respect them and I am willing to take the risk. You do not know what has taken place ôbehind the scenesö and what talks have been held. This decisions was not made by CLS alone. We are simply the corp willing to take the risk to hire them.
4) Fighting tactics.
When 50% of the pure PvP corps in Curse Alliance declare war on you, what the hell do you think should be your goal, especially if you are not a PvP corp? TO LOSE AS FEW SHIPS AS POSSIABLE. Curse has been using this tactic since the beginning of time. If you deny your enemy his target he cannot kill you. It good tactics. If I have 50 CLS battle ships waiting for your fleet of 10 are you going to undock? Doubtful, Simple as that.
5) CLS rarely asks its members to ôfoot the billö for anything. As a spy you know full well how much we do for our members. So if we ask for ôhelpö as a corp we usually get it. You forgot to include the rest of that mail where it says the Corp raised 553mil ISK for the war effort in less then 8 minutes.
6) We are not hireling m0o ôcastoffsö to fight FOR US. They will be full CLS members fighting with us. Would you say the same thing if we hired ELITE miners instead of elite PvPers
7) CLS is not attempting to subvert our alliance by forming a State. We are in fact attempting to build a stronger more organized Xetic. We are defiantly not doing it alone! Apparently you have no clue what is actually going on. Perhaps you need to take a look at the bigger picture. Perhaps you see the bigger picture and that alone scares the hell out of you. If EvEÆs biggest care bear corp actually had teeth and was able to stand up for itself, OMG, would it be the end of EvE.
8) Our true goals.
CLS wants to become the largest most fun corp to be a part of in EvE. We aim to make the playing experience the best it can for all our members regardless of what they enjoy doing most in game. We would also like to be able to ôcome to the rescueö of any friends that my need help. We have already done this on many occasions.
9) ôSlush fundö HAHHAHAHAHHA, where the hell did that come from? CLS does not even have access to xetic taxes. In fact since we have been a xetic member we have contributed over 10,000,000,000 ISK worth of minerals to xetic taxes, how much of it has come back in ANY form to CLS, 0-as in ZERO. Some spy you are.
10) The actual use of the ôtaxesö for the region will be explained here:
http://www.celestial-horizon.net/feyth/fr%20index.html
As soon as I get a chance to update the site later tonight.
11) CLS hides nothing from its members or from others in EvE. If you truly want to know something just ask. We are probably the most open corp in the game.
12) You have no honor. If you are a member of my corp you should just have asked me for more detailed information. EVERY member of my corp know they can ask anything they want whenever they want and will get an answer. If you are a member of Xetic trying to undermine your current power, sorry, your current power only hurts the alliance and creates mistrust. If you are a CA alt, well, I hope you enjoy being a coward. Why donÆt you post with your main and come out to the battle field instead of hiding behind a vale.
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CYVOK
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Posted - 2004.10.13 23:58:00 -
[42]
Well you skip this log reply if you wish...
Negotiator, consider your self added to the list!
Dude, it is not like CLS keeps secrets from the universe so let me attempt to address all this.
1) I DO NOT have an alt in m0o and never have claimed to. I did once belong to a corp that had many m0o members. During that time I did not play EvE to much because of EnB. I was booted from that corp because of not participating much, as rightly I should have been. The only reason I have mentioned this fact is so that the more nervous corp members realize that I do actually know some of them and that they can be ôtrustedö. Also my corp and many other have nothing but the greatest respect for the m0o players, they get results and are a blast to fly with!! Any corp in EvE would be lucky to call the majority of them members.
2) When it comes to being an anti-pirate corp. We are. Members are not allowed to engage in piracy and are terminated immediately for such actions. As far as ôhiringö new members that once were pirates goes, CLS has turned down very few applications. This is simply because we believe that everyone should be given a fair chance in our corp.
3) We have decided to hire the former m0o guys for several reasons. We have great respect for the abilities. We know they will be a huge asset to our PvP fleet. We would HATE to have to face them on the battle field had they decided to join an enemy. Yes it is a risk to hire them, but I respect them and I am willing to take the risk. You do not know what has taken place ôbehind the scenesö and what talks have been held. This decisions was not made by CLS alone. We are simply the corp willing to take the risk to hire them.
4) Fighting tactics.
When 50% of the pure PvP corps in Curse Alliance declare war on you, what the hell do you think should be your goal, especially if you are not a PvP corp? TO LOSE AS FEW SHIPS AS POSSIABLE. Curse has been using this tactic since the beginning of time. If you deny your enemy his target he cannot kill you. It good tactics. If I have 50 CLS battle ships waiting for your fleet of 10 are you going to undock? Doubtful, Simple as that.
5) CLS rarely asks its members to ôfoot the billö for anything. As a spy you know full well how much we do for our members. So if we ask for ôhelpö as a corp we usually get it. You forgot to include the rest of that mail where it says the Corp raised 553mil ISK for the war effort in less then 8 minutes.
6) We are not hireling m0o ôcastoffsö to fight FOR US. They will be full CLS members fighting with us. Would you say the same thing if we hired ELITE miners instead of elite PvPers
7) CLS is not attempting to subvert our alliance by forming a State. We are in fact attempting to build a stronger more organized Xetic. We are defiantly not doing it alone! Apparently you have no clue what is actually going on. Perhaps you need to take a look at the bigger picture. Perhaps you see the bigger picture and that alone scares the hell out of you. If EvEÆs biggest care bear corp actually had teeth and was able to stand up for itself, OMG, would it be the end of EvE.
8) Our true goals.
CLS wants to become the largest most fun corp to be a part of in EvE. We aim to make the playing experience the best it can for all our members regardless of what they enjoy doing most in game. We would also like to be able to ôcome to the rescueö of any friends that my need help. We have already done this on many occasions.
9) ôSlush fundö HAHHAHAHAHHA, where the hell did that come from? CLS does not even have access to xetic taxes. In fact since we have been a xetic member we have contributed over 10,000,000,000 ISK worth of minerals to xetic taxes, how much of it has come back in ANY form to CLS, 0-as in ZERO. Some spy you are.
10) The actual use of the ôtaxesö for the region will be explained here:
http://www.celestial-horizon.net/feyth/fr%20index.html
As soon as I get a chance to update the site later tonight.
11) CLS hides nothing from its members or from others in EvE. If you truly want to know something just ask. We are probably the most open corp in the game.
12) You have no honor. If you are a member of my corp you should just have asked me for more detailed information. EVERY member of my corp know they can ask anything they want whenever they want and will get an answer. If you are a member of Xetic trying to undermine your current power, sorry, your current power only hurts the alliance and creates mistrust. If you are a CA alt, well, I hope you enjoy being a coward. Why donÆt you post with your main and come out to the battle field instead of hiding behind a vale.
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CYVOK
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Posted - 2004.10.14 00:00:00 -
[43]
Edited by: CYVOK on 14/10/2004 00:03:27
Originally by: Christobel
Originally by: Reptar
whats wrong with hiring ex m0o? As long as you got milk that is..
Whats wrong is we mine and donate isk to the corp so we can pay to hire pirates when that is suppose to be what we fight for.....
All corp donations were used to hire BDCI and FRIC! None of it went tward the m0o hire.
Once again, YOU KNOW if you had problems with something in the corp you could have asked me or asked in our forums.
as was said, CA alt/spy, if not, prove it
-CYVOK-
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CYVOK
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Posted - 2004.10.14 00:00:00 -
[44]
Edited by: CYVOK on 14/10/2004 00:03:27
Originally by: Christobel
Originally by: Reptar
whats wrong with hiring ex m0o? As long as you got milk that is..
Whats wrong is we mine and donate isk to the corp so we can pay to hire pirates when that is suppose to be what we fight for.....
All corp donations were used to hire BDCI and FRIC! None of it went tward the m0o hire.
Once again, YOU KNOW if you had problems with something in the corp you could have asked me or asked in our forums.
as was said, CA alt/spy, if not, prove it
-CYVOK-
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Frankinator
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Posted - 2004.10.14 00:16:00 -
[45]
I feel so special. *tear*
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Frankinator
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Posted - 2004.10.14 00:16:00 -
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I feel so special. *tear*
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2004.10.14 00:23:00 -
[47]
Looks like an alt just got pwnd... whoops :)
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I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2004.10.14 00:23:00 -
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Looks like an alt just got pwnd... whoops :)
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I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
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Danks
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Posted - 2004.10.14 00:27:00 -
[49]
Perhaps if you have a problem with this you should take it up with CLS in a serious way instead of posting with an alt on the forum...
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Danks
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Posted - 2004.10.14 00:27:00 -
[50]
Perhaps if you have a problem with this you should take it up with CLS in a serious way instead of posting with an alt on the forum...
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Krapz
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Posted - 2004.10.14 00:35:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Christobel
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Posting with alts is lame.
Posting secret corp. info with an alt is lamer.
You get my drift.
Well, corrupting a corp is worse and the truth needs to be exposed.
Not sure much else needs to be said here. Yes, we're a huge corp (370+ at last count, minus a few CA alts), but we're not masters of any one thing. Any player which chooses any profession (except piracy, sorry) in Eve is welcome to join up with us. We joined with XIF because they were the first oones to give us a chance, and other areas were incredibly unstable at the time. We continue to honor XIF with our commitment to make the alliance stronger, both militarily and financially. This is no surprise at all.
I'm quite dumbfounded that you wasted CCP's bandwith posting obvious truths about our corp, although distorted to meet your own needs at the time of posting. I think Cyvok has addressed most every concen you may have had, although I don't think this was even worth his time in replying to.
As for Cyvok, any corp would be honored to have him as a CEO. By far the finest leader I've ever seen in a mmorpg. His dedication and level-headedness is something that any corp could be envious of.
And yeah, tough to respect anything that comes from an alt. Of course you know you could have just come to me with any concerns directly, as anyone else can in this corp. I guess it's obvious why that ddn't happen.
On a side note, I think we've only had to terminate 2 actual memers from our corp, most everyone else stays, or starts a private operation to continue contributions.
I'm sure this post will be further continued by a bunch of other current and former Celestial Horizon members telling you just how ignorant you are, just like many of the previous posts. Please take it all to heart. Especially Seleene's, I think her's was right on the money.
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Krapz
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Posted - 2004.10.14 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Christobel
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Posting with alts is lame.
Posting secret corp. info with an alt is lamer.
You get my drift.
Well, corrupting a corp is worse and the truth needs to be exposed.
Not sure much else needs to be said here. Yes, we're a huge corp (370+ at last count, minus a few CA alts), but we're not masters of any one thing. Any player which chooses any profession (except piracy, sorry) in Eve is welcome to join up with us. We joined with XIF because they were the first oones to give us a chance, and other areas were incredibly unstable at the time. We continue to honor XIF with our commitment to make the alliance stronger, both militarily and financially. This is no surprise at all.
I'm quite dumbfounded that you wasted CCP's bandwith posting obvious truths about our corp, although distorted to meet your own needs at the time of posting. I think Cyvok has addressed most every concen you may have had, although I don't think this was even worth his time in replying to.
As for Cyvok, any corp would be honored to have him as a CEO. By far the finest leader I've ever seen in a mmorpg. His dedication and level-headedness is something that any corp could be envious of.
And yeah, tough to respect anything that comes from an alt. Of course you know you could have just come to me with any concerns directly, as anyone else can in this corp. I guess it's obvious why that ddn't happen.
On a side note, I think we've only had to terminate 2 actual memers from our corp, most everyone else stays, or starts a private operation to continue contributions.
I'm sure this post will be further continued by a bunch of other current and former Celestial Horizon members telling you just how ignorant you are, just like many of the previous posts. Please take it all to heart. Especially Seleene's, I think her's was right on the money.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.10.14 00:43:00 -
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If you think a threads needs moderation please mail us at [email protected] and we will look at it (unless we're asleep)
Please make sure your reples are ontopic friendly and constructive.
Thank you 
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.10.14 00:43:00 -
[54]
If you think a threads needs moderation please mail us at [email protected] and we will look at it (unless we're asleep)
Please make sure your reples are ontopic friendly and constructive.
Thank you
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Zerodragoon
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Posted - 2004.10.14 00:43:00 -
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GG, Cyvok just cleaned house.
Ohh god I don't even know where to start with you sir alt man. You know NOTHING about how combat operations in CLS work if you think orders like that are new. CLS fights wars to win them, taking little in losses as possible, and using its huge numbers to a advantage, not taking to many risks. Why wouldn't they how else to beat older, richer and more experienced players? God knows I spent enough time and money fighting for CLS, and their way works very well.
As for possibly using Xetic money and hiring m0o why not(if they are or aren't I dunno and don't care but xetic certainly has enough cash may as well use it)? The fight is between CA corps and Xetic corps two alliances who just happen to be at war, why not using xetic funding to hire the best of the best and turn the tide pirates or not pirates. Suspose I was to back up a CLS combat fleet at some point and was the key factor in doing enough to damage or whatever is needed to take out a enemy bs, my help shouldn't have been accepted because I'm a pirate?
Pray I don't ever find out who your main is.
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Zerodragoon
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Posted - 2004.10.14 00:43:00 -
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GG, Cyvok just cleaned house.
Ohh god I don't even know where to start with you sir alt man. You know NOTHING about how combat operations in CLS work if you think orders like that are new. CLS fights wars to win them, taking little in losses as possible, and using its huge numbers to a advantage, not taking to many risks. Why wouldn't they how else to beat older, richer and more experienced players? God knows I spent enough time and money fighting for CLS, and their way works very well.
As for possibly using Xetic money and hiring m0o why not(if they are or aren't I dunno and don't care but xetic certainly has enough cash may as well use it)? The fight is between CA corps and Xetic corps two alliances who just happen to be at war, why not using xetic funding to hire the best of the best and turn the tide pirates or not pirates. Suspose I was to back up a CLS combat fleet at some point and was the key factor in doing enough to damage or whatever is needed to take out a enemy bs, my help shouldn't have been accepted because I'm a pirate?
Pray I don't ever find out who your main is.
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Krapz
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Posted - 2004.10.14 00:51:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Eris Discordia
If you think a threads needs moderation please mail us at [email protected] and we will look at it (unless we're asleep)
Please make sure your reples are ontopic friendly and constructive.
Thank you
Wow, we're famous! I think that's the first time we've had a thread just for us, and then Eris got to post on it too! w00t!
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Krapz
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Posted - 2004.10.14 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Eris Discordia
If you think a threads needs moderation please mail us at [email protected] and we will look at it (unless we're asleep)
Please make sure your reples are ontopic friendly and constructive.
Thank you
Wow, we're famous! I think that's the first time we've had a thread just for us, and then Eris got to post on it too! w00t!
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Arbitrary Hubris
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Posted - 2004.10.14 00:54:00 -
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Edited by: Arbitrary Hubris on 14/10/2004 00:58:02
I find it kind of humorous that you included "lies" and "betrayal" in the headline of your post. You've posted information publicly that you didn't think we'd want posted. You've posted under an assumed name and pretended that you give a **** about CLS.
Isn't it ironic? Don't you think?
BTW: Where's the lie? CYVOK communicates to the whole corp very openly or you wouldn't be able to post this.
NO XETIC FUNDS HAVE BEEN USED FOR ANYTHING. We don't have access to the XETIC treasury but we heavily and proudly support the XETIC Federation.
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Arbitrary Hubris
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Posted - 2004.10.14 00:54:00 -
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Edited by: Arbitrary Hubris on 14/10/2004 00:58:02
I find it kind of humorous that you included "lies" and "betrayal" in the headline of your post. You've posted information publicly that you didn't think we'd want posted. You've posted under an assumed name and pretended that you give a **** about CLS.
Isn't it ironic? Don't you think?
BTW: Where's the lie? CYVOK communicates to the whole corp very openly or you wouldn't be able to post this.
NO XETIC FUNDS HAVE BEEN USED FOR ANYTHING. We don't have access to the XETIC treasury but we heavily and proudly support the XETIC Federation.
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