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Sheleste
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.24 01:56:00 -
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I specialize in selling highly researched ship blueprint copies. I price them to allow a builder to make a reasonable profit based on market cost of materials and cost of final product, with consideration to my competition in the blueprint market as well. (I am also a builder and buy blueprint copies from others with high standards when I don't want to invest in an original.)
Lately, despite offering my blueprints well below the price of some that are barely researched (I'm talking ML 85-100 vs. ML 35-50 or less) they don't seem to be moving. Unlike the regular market there is no way to see what price competing items are selling for - but I suspect that NO ONE IS BUYING.
I am speculating that people are tired of wading through all the ridiculous offers and scams, and aren't willing to expend the considerable effort now necessary to protect themselves. It seems that the percentage of legitimate offers is getting lower and lower.
Stupidity of course plays a factor - many offers are incredibly, ridiculously high, with no relation to actual value. Malice, deceit and greed also play their roles - way too many listings are obvious attempts to mislead.
DOES ANYONE SHARE MY CONCERN THAT THE CONTRACT MARKET MAY BE DYING? Do you agree that penalties of some type should be levied against scammers? (I know you can block them but I long ago used up my 80 slots for this.)
I really don't know how this could be implemented but I'd dearly love to have KILL RIGHTS on the blatant scammers - such as those who list a Raven labelled as a Caldari Navy Raven, etc. It just clutters up the contracts market - and local chat - with crap that interferes with legitimate trading, and no doubt contributes to some lag.
Something needs to be done to PRESERVE THE MARKET FOR LEGITIMATE TRADERS. Thoughts?
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Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
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Posted - 2009.08.24 02:13:00 -
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It's capitalism. Caveat emptor. -- EVE Blog EVE Twitter |
Sheleste
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.24 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Casiella Truza It's capitalism. Caveat emptor.
Exactly. And if "Bewaring" becomes too much effort, buyers back off, and the economy collapses? null |
FunzzeR
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.08.24 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sheleste
Originally by: Casiella Truza It's capitalism. Caveat emptor.
Exactly. And if "Bewaring" becomes too much effort, buyers back off, and the economy collapses?
Nope they find alternate means of getting what they need. I almost never buy blueprints off contracts, rather I and seemingly many others go to the forums and deal with more reputable individuals who have set up "shops" there.
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Sheleste
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.24 02:46:00 -
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I and seemingly many others go to the forums and deal with more reputable individuals who have set up "shops" there.
Thanks, FunzzerR. I don't know why I haven't thought of that. I guess I can find a thread in here somewhere. null |
Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.24 03:53:00 -
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Toss me a list of what BPCs you regularly sell and your prices sometime - I've got a manufacturing alt that I might be interested in them on.
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2009.08.24 09:25:00 -
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The crappy user interface may put some people off. Also even with highly researched blueprints a lot the T1 ship market has very low profit margins, once you've bought a BPC for it the margin becomes even smaller.
Scammers are apparently part of the game, a bit like suicide ganking, it might make us happy to see the back of it but the C&P crowd would have a major whine fest if CCP got rid of it.
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Boink'urr
Minmatar Wasserette De Tarthorst
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Posted - 2009.08.24 10:55:00 -
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I've used up my ignore list already... :(
A max of 80 people blacklisted for scammy contracts that i don't care to see. Can't blacklist anyone else anymore, so i'm stuck to filtering out stupid wtb contracts by filtering to reasonable prices etc.
Wtf.
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.08.24 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Boink'urr I've used up my ignore list already... :(
A max of 80 people blacklisted for scammy contracts that i don't care to see. Can't blacklist anyone else anymore, so i'm stuck to filtering out stupid wtb contracts by filtering to reasonable prices etc.
Wtf.
I did that at first. Then I switched to simple view and searching for specific items I need filtered by price. It filters out most scams for a start. Like Ravens that claim to be navy ravens.
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Tekota
legion industries ltd Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.08.24 11:16:00 -
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It wasn't that long ago that contracts were filled with items at 99999.99 (to be scammed as "1000" or similar in local). So if anything it's probably gotten better lately. That said, it's still pretty bad, and as has been stated already the clunky interface doesn't help matters.
Personally I have been known to buy researched BPOs off contract (and rarely the odd copy too) as the price point on them nowadays is such that the return on investment in a POS (plus the hassle factor) makes it often economically viable to do so.
Personally I'm wise to the ME situation in that an ME100 battleship print is in reality no better at all than an ME50 version. Sure, if they're both the same price and at the same location, course I'll pick up the ME100 version, but if the 50 is closer I'll probably go for that every time. Perhaps that's your answer - try spreading your operations to include other hubs?
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Xelios Xarxes
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Posted - 2009.08.24 12:12:00 -
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I hate when people scam using contracts. Ruins it for us honest folk.
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Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
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Posted - 2009.08.24 12:58:00 -
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I'm not saying scams are great or anything. And yes, just like much of the rest of the interface (particularly S&I / market, but really everything), the design can lead to more confusion.
But the information is there. And wardecs are available as a means of enforcing your views.
Unless the scammers stay in NPC corporations, but that's another issue entirely I suppose. -- EVE Blog EVE Twitter |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.08.24 13:25:00 -
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Actually I would more blame on low ice prices, lack of POS busting pirates, and incredibly cheap standing services.
All of which allow a single person to pretty easily thow up a small tower with a few labs for their research needs or join a research alliance and research their prints easily. |
Saehta
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.08.24 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Actually I would more blame on low ice prices, lack of POS busting pirates, and incredibly cheap standing services.
All of which allow a single person to pretty easily thow up a small tower with a few labs for their research needs or join a research alliance and research their prints easily.
We should make a game out of knocking down research POS's like the pirates make a game out of blowing up hulks
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Xiola Umbar
Minmatar Iron Dragon Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.24 18:35:00 -
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I buy a fair few BPCs these days, as I simply can't afford to buy all the BPOs I'd like to manufacture. Although it does cut into my profit margins, I can still make good money on certain ships, which makes it more than worthwhile.
I just have to spend some time up front looking for the best deal among the contracts, and making sure they're legit. Like everything else in EvE, I need to take a little care before going ahead...
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Wadaya
Trailerpark Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.24 19:15:00 -
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I too have used up my alotted 80 block maximum. What would be better, I think, Would be instead of being able to block names, block whole corps and alliances. How many block slots could be saved if we were able to block Perkone, State War Academy, etc?
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Mahke
Aeon Of Strife
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Posted - 2009.08.24 22:19:00 -
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I specifically do not deal in non-faction bpcs, so my experience may not be relevant to yours, but, contract scamming has actually been trending pretty strongly down from its all time high.
My guess is that it got less and less successful as the easiest scams became more and more prevalent.
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Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
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Posted - 2009.08.24 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
Originally by: Boink'urr I've used up my ignore list already... :(
A max of 80 people blacklisted for scammy contracts that i don't care to see. Can't blacklist anyone else anymore, so i'm stuck to filtering out stupid wtb contracts by filtering to reasonable prices etc.
Wtf.
I did that at first. Then I switched to simple view and searching for specific items I need filtered by price. It filters out most scams for a start. Like Ravens that claim to be navy ravens.
this is what I was thinking tbh.
yes the contract market is ridiculously spammed with obvious scams but when I actually want to buy something I look for that specfic item and sort by price. I had assumed thats what most people did, if not then just wtf, they deserve to get scammed!
Making the contract interface more simplistic seems like the best way to deal with scams, if player has to type in Caldari Navy Raven for an actual CNR to show up then those 1000's of CNR named Ravens just wont show up. No need to make it against the rules, just make it pointless to do :P -----------------
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Rotnac
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.25 05:52:00 -
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Edited by: Rotnac on 25/08/2009 05:52:46 I still buy BPCs on the contract market fairly frequently. As mentioned above, the simple view and searching for a particular item is best for this, as it basically eliminated any reasonable scams.
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Nalik iIdeyu
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Posted - 2009.08.25 12:04:00 -
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i Occasionally put BPC's up on contracts... i find it sells eventually, so i'm fine. |
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