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Salpad Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2009.08.24 12:42:00 - [1] Last year, we flew a very few exercises where we'd just fit one of each of the 4 kinds of ECM onto our Griffins, and then jam each other (while checking for cap duration), but are there other schools of thought, on how to fit a Griffin? Also, my fitting skillz have improved a bit since then, being nearly maxed now, so I might be able to fit something else onto the Griffin apart from 4 x ECM. IIRC I wasn't able to last year. What should I fit in the HIGH or LOW slots? -- Salpad C.E.O., Carebears with Attitude
4THELULZ	Posted - 2009.08.24 13:10:00 - [2] 4 Racials. If you know specifically what you're engaging, then fit for that. Multispecs are murder on cap, unreliable in general and shorter ranged. Better still upgrade to a Blackbird, it's so much better in every way and still pretty cheap factoring insurance.
Salpad Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2009.08.24 13:17:00 - [3] I'm paying for the ships and modules with corporate funds, and I'm not ready to give each and every corp member T2 sips with T2 fittings and (T1) rigs, although I am prepred to give it to select members who train to high PVP skillz and demonstrate loyalty and dedication. However, for now, all corp members, including myself, get only corp-sponsored T1 stuff to be ready in case of PVP. Also, we can't really know what we'll be fighting most of the time, so the 1-of-each-kind-of-ECM is my guess at what's best to do, since 4 x multi-spectral have weaker jam strength than the one kind of ECM that tickles the enemy in the most sensitive spot. -- Salpad C.E.O., Carebears with Attitude
FlameGlow Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.24 13:44:00 - [4] get a blackbird instead _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button.
Salpad Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2009.08.24 14:47:00 - [5] Originally by: FlameGlow get a blackbird instead I'm not going to use corporate funds to purchase 5-7 Blackbirds for every member. Sorry. -- Salpad C.E.O., Carebears with Attitude
fatherted1989 Red Horizon Inc	Posted - 2009.08.24 15:01:00 - [6] Originally by: Salpad Originally by: FlameGlow get a blackbird instead I'm not going to use corporate funds to purchase 5-7 Blackbirds for every member. Sorry. BB's are T1 cruisers mate, cheap as chips.
Xephys Dark Twilight Solutions	Posted - 2009.08.24 15:08:00 - [7] They're not telling you to get a blackbird to annoy you, they're telling you that because a BB is just so much more effective than a griffin. If you T1 fit it, with insurance you won't lose more than a million or two if it goes down.
Salpad Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2009.08.24 15:40:00 - [8] I am open to giving more expensive, and more highly pimped ships, to some corp members, but I had thought along the lines of a T2-fitted and rigged Kitsune, rather than a Blackbird. -- Salpad C.E.O., Carebears with Attitude
fatherted1989 Red Horizon Inc	Posted - 2009.08.24 15:44:00 - [9] But you don't even need to pimp a BB to make it good, that's the point. just get some racial jammers, other stuff then insure it. it's cheap and effective as hell.
Per Ole Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.24 15:48:00 - [10] listen to these guys, they know what they're talking about. BB is infinatly better then a griffin at ECM, and they're worth the little extra they cost. Plus, your members will feel like they're more appreciated if you buy them a cheap t1 cruiser instead of a cheap t1 frigate -------------------------------- Screw you guys, I'm going home
Gavin DeVries	Posted - 2009.08.24 15:58:00 - [11] The ECMs cost the same amount regardless of what they're fitted to. A Blackbird costs what, 3 million or so? ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Davina Braben	Posted - 2009.08.24 16:09:00 - [12] Edited by: Davina Braben on 24/08/2009 16:10:45 Originally by: Salpad I am open to giving more expensive, and more highly pimped ships, to some corp members, but I had thought along the lines of a T2-fitted and rigged Kitsune, rather than a Blackbird. The thing is, a Blackbird is dirt cheap even by T1 cruiser standards. It flies for under 10m fitted. It's a much better ISK/performance deal than either the Kitsune or the Griffin imo. Also note that it can fit a full rack of racials which is much better than a Griffin can do (it's a numbers thing).
4THELULZ	Posted - 2009.08.24 17:29:00 - [13] Edited by: 4THELULZ on 24/08/2009 17:34:37 Originally by: Salpad I am open to giving more expensive, and more highly pimped ships, to some corp members, but I had thought along the lines of a T2-fitted and rigged Kitsune, rather than a Blackbird. I've flown the Kitsune, it's not quite as bad as people describe it, but I would not recommend handing that out in place of a Blackbird. Especially when you can get 10 blackbirds for the cost of 1 Kitsune
SheriffFruitfly Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.24 18:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Salpad Originally by: FlameGlow get a blackbird instead I'm not going to use corporate funds to purchase 5-7 Blackbirds for every member. Sorry. Are you guys like the poorest corp in eve history or something? They cost what - like 3 mil iskies each? hahahah! That's free. __________________________________________________________ Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Salpad Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2009.08.24 19:43:00 - [15] Originally by: SheriffFruitfly Are you guys like the poorest corp in eve history or something? They cost what - like 3 mil iskies each? hahahah! That's free. No, we're not poor, but I expect a lot of casualties on our side if we get war decced, so I want corp-sponsored shis to be cheap. Also helps morale. Some members might become unhappy if they keep loosing ships worth 10-15M ISK. If ships are cheap, members will be much more agressive and cheerful. -- Salpad C.E.O., Carebears with Attitude
Salpad Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2009.08.24 19:47:00 - [16] Is there a LOW slot module that improves ECM strength? I have a very vague recollection from last year, that there might be one... -- Salpad C.E.O., Carebears with Attitude
ISK Launderer	Posted - 2009.08.24 20:21:00 - [17] Originally by: Salpad Originally by: SheriffFruitfly Are you guys like the poorest corp in eve history or something? They cost what - like 3 mil iskies each? hahahah! That's free. No, we're not poor, but I expect a lot of casualties on our side if we get war decced, so I want corp-sponsored shis to be cheap. Also helps morale. Some members might become unhappy if they keep loosing ships worth 10-15M ISK. If ships are cheap, members will be much more agressive and cheerful. FAIL CORP IS FAIL. 15M IS CHEAP NUMBNUTS. LOL FAILBEARS.
Gavin DeVries	Posted - 2009.08.24 20:37:00 - [18] Originally by: Salpad Is there a LOW slot module that improves ECM strength? I have a very vague recollection from last year, that there might be one... Signal Dispersion Amplifier. There's also a rig, but that will seriously increase the ship cost. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Velurist Inchasisa	Posted - 2009.08.24 21:10:00 - [19] Realy, use a BBird, They cost 3 mil a pop, they insure for 2.7 mil, and they fit much easier than a Grif. The Kitsune goes for about 20-25 mil, and insures like any other tech 2 ship. If you are able to dock up or refit in space, fly with multis and switch out racials as needed, otherwise, good intel is needed. If you are frig-swarming someone, run 3 jammers and speed tank, though you will probably be stuck with abs, as mwd fits will be horrible for the cap unless rigged, then its no longer a throw away ship. If you insist on using grifs, bring lots, and have spares ready to go, as they tend to pop fast. (And pray your opponent doesnt bring a few dessies with eccm.) BBird setup: High: AMLs or HMLs (doesnt matter much, you arnt dps.) Mid: LSE, AB or MWD, 4x Multi-spec (4 of each racial in cargo) Low: 2x SDAs or SDA, CPR BBird (Armor) High: AMLs, HMLs Mid: AB or MWD, 5x Multi-spec (5x each racial in cargo) Low: 1600 plate, SDA or CPR Grif (Speed) High: 2x RL, 125/150mm AC Mid: AB, 3x Multi-spec (3x each racial in cargo) Low: OverDrive MWD setups on all these ships will cause some major cap issues, though for the cruiser, a mwd setup is viable, on the frig, not so much. MWDs are more for bursts of speed, while AB is for continual use.
Salpad Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2009.08.24 21:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Gavin DeVries Signal Dispersion Amplifier. There's also a rig, but that will seriously increase the ship cost. I couldn't find anything except a skill, using thos search terms, but I did find Signal Distortion Amplifier. It seems to improve both ECM range and ECM strength, though, and ISTR that last year it improved only ECM but more strongly. Was it changed at some point, within the last 15 months or so? -- Salpad C.E.O., Carebears with Attitude
Mahke Aeon Of Strife	Posted - 2009.08.24 22:43:00 - [21] Originally by: Salpad Originally by: FlameGlow get a blackbird instead I'm not going to use corporate funds to purchase 5-7 Blackbirds for every member. Sorry. Buy each member one, keep any backups you want on-hand in corp hangar and give them to players who lose one in pvp at the net value of insurance (i.e. so you're only paying for the small gap between the net insurance reimbursement and hull cost, this'll be even more trivial if you own the bpo [its not an expensive one]), which is kind of a trivial amount.
Mahke Aeon Of Strife	Posted - 2009.08.24 22:46:00 - [22] Edited by: Mahke on 24/08/2009 22:49:51 Originally by: Salpad Originally by: Gavin DeVries Signal Dispersion Amplifier. There's also a rig, but that will seriously increase the ship cost. I couldn't find anything except a skill, using thos search terms, but I did find Signal Distortion Amplifier. It seems to improve both ECM range and ECM strength, though, and ISTR that last year it improved only ECM but more strongly. Was it changed at some point, within the last 15 months or so? ECM in general and SDAs as an aspect thereof were nerfed really hard; to the point where its no longer an easy call whether to fit any and an easy call to only fit one (use a DC or plate instead; plate's better for ehp but makes you less agile) edit: see velurchist's fits, except IMO you should fit racials instead of multispecs if you're flying in a gang that isn't tiny (in a really small gang the flexibility of multis is nice, but, in a larger gang you'll gank tiny gangs anyway, and larger opponents will have more shiptypes for you to get optimal use of having racials). Also, if you are fitting racials you don't have to fit em all. If your opponents fly a lot of certain races and very little of others fit accordingly.
Josh Silver Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.25 03:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Salpad I am open to giving more expensive, and more highly pimped ships, to some corp members, but I had thought along the lines of a T2-fitted and rigged Kitsune, rather than a Blackbird. If you are in this corp, run quick and run fast.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.25 03:38:00 - [24] Originally by: Josh Silver Originally by: Salpad I am open to giving more expensive, and more highly pimped ships, to some corp members, but I had thought along the lines of a T2-fitted and rigged Kitsune, rather than a Blackbird. If you are in this corp, run quick and run fast. Yeah like your corp when it started was something other than a bunch of skilless greifers who wouldn't risk anything bigger than a frigate in pvp. Look how that worked out. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
Pippan Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2009.08.25 07:19:00 - [25] SOLO GRIFFIN ROXX [Griffin, New Setup 1] Damage Control I 1MN Afterburner II Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I Induced Multispectral ECM I Induced Multispectral ECM I Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x1 ------ Every time you kill a Falcon a kitten is saved. Please, save the kittens.
Kunming T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2009.08.25 09:59:00 - [26] Use both BBs and griffins IMO. Fit the Griffins with caldari racial and instruct their pilots to jam BBs and their T2 variants. Then fit the BBs with a mix of racials and multis, I'd say 1 amarr, 1 gallente racial and 2 multis (minmatar are jammed easier so multis are most effective on them, while Amarr are flavour of the month and gallente are favoured for being the DPS of a gang), instruct the BBs to focus on high DPS ships, like pulse and blasterboats. About the ratio, for every 2 BBs put one griffin in the mix. Dont over do ECM in a gang though, its not everything in pvp. Also dont listen to the others.. I like ur "cheap" approach. Most ppl forget that 2 T1 cruisers can easily be trouble, or more, for a BS or T2 BC even, if done correctly. - Quantum Rise... nerfing the unnerfable! Sponsored by CCP

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