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CCP Gnauton
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Posted - 2009.08.24 14:07:00 -
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A shift has begun in the Gallente Federation. A recent succession of political disasters has weakened President Foiritan's position to the point of utter collapse, and other forces have begun rising from the shadows in this trying time for a beleaguered Federation. "The Human Painting" tells of one such political disaster, and a behind-the-scenes meeting of minds which precipitates a turning point in Gallente history.
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Tasha Voronina
Caldari
Caldari Navy Reserve Force
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Posted - 2009.08.24 14:41:00 -
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Nice story.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.08.24 15:16:00 -
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Interesting. Finally some more information about the Roden takeover.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.08.24 15:51:00 -
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Wow, is that Roden there in the pic? Don't think I'd vote for him...
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Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
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Posted - 2009.08.24 16:04:00 -
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Not a huge fan of the name, but I am a fan of the description of his jaw.
Guess Roden's a shoo-in, yeh? Or not...
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Sakari Orisi
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.24 17:07:00 -
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I like, I like very much.
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Kaito Haakkainen
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.24 17:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Also, the official name of the Gallente Federation is the 'Federated Union of Gallente Prime'? Nice...
Very nice... I'd go so far as beautiful when considered alongside what is known of the Federations history.
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javer
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.24 17:13:00 -
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nice way of filling in some back story of eve :-)
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RAIDEN TEYREL
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Posted - 2009.08.24 18:49:00 -
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Yep very nice, a good read, shows just how downright sneaky, underhand, megalomanical these Gallente can be 
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CCP Gnauton
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Posted - 2009.08.24 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tasha Voronina
Nice story.
Whoops, thank you. Original post edited.
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Manfred Rickenbocker
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Posted - 2009.08.24 19:35:00 -
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Its about time someone fought back against the nationalization efforts of the Gallente governing body.
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apothnasko
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Posted - 2009.08.24 19:53:00 -
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The government is only there to serve the Gallente corps by keeping the peace. Long live Capitolism. Up yours politicians. |
Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
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Posted - 2009.08.24 20:18:00 -
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Good one!
See, here is the back-handedness, the megalomaniacal manipulation, the pulling of invisible strings we all so love and admire in the Federation. It's smart, intellectual, and entrepreneurial, yet at the same time dark, ruthless, and duplicitous. Finally the Federation shows that it can stand-up to simple-minded heavy-handedness and oppression through a battle of wits between suave mass-murderers in an political arena where appearances count as much as results.
Still, old Jacky doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of taking the top job. With all the skeletons in his closet, he'd give the Scope a field day of exposures of such proportions that not even old Jacky would be able to put the lid on (the competition holds a minority share in the Scope after all).
The Gallentean loves a good gossip, and there has been plenty of gossip on Jacky Roden. Given that old Jacky likes playing the man behind the curtain so much, his candidacy can only be a smokescreen to allow a favourite of his to eventually take the throne. Meanwhile old Jacky can do the patriotic thing and make room for the one he really wants to take the seat, thus healing the wounds his endemic stealing of top researchers from his competitors must have caused, and take his rightful (in his opinion) place as the bringer together of the military-industrial complex. The other arms-dealers may be with him against nationalising their business, but let's not forget that Roden is a bit of an outlier in the Gallentean military-industrial complex, and not one they would extend support to necessarily. Stepping back, on the other hand, should be enough for his favourite to clinch the race, as it did in different circumstances in the previous presidential race, while still giving him the influence he so clearly craves.
Still, it is great to see the imitation-Caldari Black Eagles being so completely and gracefully outmanoeuvred by such an old robber-baron like good old Jacky Roden.
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MechaMouse
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Posted - 2009.08.24 20:26:00 -
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Best Chronicle in a long while.
It made sense. It was relevant to current events.
More like this please!
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Xing Fey
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Posted - 2009.08.24 20:37:00 -
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Yay, happy chronicles, maybe the federation can go back to democracy, then again, I wouldn't hold out much hope...
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Bel Ortesma
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.24 21:33:00 -
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Terrific.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Citation Registration Commission
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Posted - 2009.08.24 22:57:00 -
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Meh.
Nationalizing the arms industry and FINALLY doing something against the Caldari was the first and only good thing Foiritan did.
And this Roden doesn't have any appeal to me either. There needs to be an unmistakable Good Guy as president so the Gallente are once again the beacon of all that is good and just in the EVE universe. Anything less will just make them another Caldari flavor, there needs to be more to set the Gallente apart from the Caldari.
Gallente = Freedom, democracy, complex culture, wealth for joe average, happy happy joy.
Caldari = Extreme capitalism, militarism, dark tyranny and oppression of the individual.
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davidnorell
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Posted - 2009.08.24 23:41:00 -
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This is just the opening chapter, it will be interesting where this leads. Is this the start of a new story arc where there are new opportunities or is it just a dead end story?
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Typhado3
Minmatar
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.08.25 00:44:00 -
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poor blake, things aren't going that well for him.
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ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.25 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
There needs to be an unmistakable Good Guy as president so the Gallente are once again the beacon of all that is good and just in the EVE universe. Anything less will just make them another Caldari flavor, there needs to be more to set the Gallente apart from the Caldari.
I do hope you're being ironic. Sadly, however, I fear you are serious.
EVE has never had any good guys. The general structure of the Federation just happens to mesh quite well with what we'd expect from a modern civilized nation.
In reality it's not so great, and I'm happy that the cracks are showing.
Sure, even in a setting of 'Shades of Gray' you need lighter and darker shades. That doesn't mean that the Federation should be, or was ever, "the beacon of all that is good and just."
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.08.25 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Nationalizing the arms industry and FINALLY doing something against the Caldari was the first and only good thing Foiritan did.
And this Roden doesn't have any appeal to me either. There needs to be an unmistakable Good Guy as president so the Gallente are once again the beacon of all that is good and just in the EVE universe. Anything less will just make them another Caldari flavor, there needs to be more to set the Gallente apart from the Caldari.
Gallente = Freedom, democracy, complex culture, wealth for joe average, happy happy joy.
Caldari = Extreme capitalism, militarism, dark tyranny and oppression of the individual.
Umm...
Freedom allows for extreme capitalism, which allows for wealth for the average joe.
Democracy leads to tyranny and oppression of individualism and can just as easily lead to militarism.
Complex cultures are basically any culture you both to look into beyond a quick glance.
I suggest you go read background more thoroughly and try to understand the interaction between the Caldari and Gallente in a more detached way.
Nationalization of the arms industry is basically what Tibus Heth did over a year ago and yet you are arguing for it in order for there to be "an unmistakable Good Guy as president so the Gallente are once again the beacon of all that is good and just in the EVE universe. Anything less will just make them another Caldari flavor, there needs to be more to set the Gallente apart from the Caldari."
What sets the Gallente apart is the individual freedom you spoke of and this is exactly what Roden was securing. In the State, especially now, Heth says build X item and the Megas, due to handing over their strategic assets, answer "How many?" The Gallente corps saying "NO" speaks volumes of the Gallente cultures resistance to blatant and public tyranny and oppression.
The other option is to allow EvE to degenerate into an Alliance vs. Horde, Jedi vs. Sith, Good vs Evil, story which will likely cause the departure of more than a few veteran players.
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Xing Fey
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Posted - 2009.08.25 01:53:00 -
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One must keep in mind that both the Caldari and Gallente are the opposite of what they claim to be. The Caldari State practices a form of extreme comunism, stalinism even; and the Gallente federation is best compared to Ninteen Eighty-Four.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.08.25 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Xing Fey
One must keep in mind that both the Caldari and Gallente are the opposite of what they claim to be. The Caldari State practices a form of extreme comunism, stalinism even; and the Gallente federation is best compared to Ninteen Eighty-Four.
Simplifying them in such a way fails to appreciate the complexity in both.
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XnS dVd
Amarr
Amarr Investment Group
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Posted - 2009.08.25 06:31:00 -
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Why... does the corporal seem to be telling the sergeant what to do though?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.25 07:00:00 -
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Well, USUALLY when a military industrial complex exerts control, freedom is lost. Roden may have saved the Federation that day. This is strange.
These events should have some real reflection on the game itself, being more than just a story. Would have been nice to fly over to Roden Shipyards stations and take down the Gallente Troop ships. Sure the Black Eagles were following orders but that is never an excuse to step all over private property rights without due process.
That's something for the the Caldari to do.
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john rolen
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Posted - 2009.08.25 07:25:00 -
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nice story I like how it fits into the current events happening now in the federation I was getting curious as to where things were headed. It's inturesting actually how this story is one of those that shows bouth the strengths and weaknesses of a so called "free" nation.
What roden did was certainly dark and clever hes the kind of intelectual you do not want to meet because the fact of the matter is he is always one step ahead or so it would seam. As well what he did may have very well saved the federation but i cant wait to hear about the other events as they move forward.
When you look at it its funny how completly different yet somewhat similar the caldari and the gallente are. Not so much on the outward level but when you get into the dark relms of politics and the pupet masters in the backround you start to see there similarities.
All in all good story cant wait for the next.
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr
Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.08.25 08:09:00 -
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Yeah Roden saving the Federation, riiight. He done what was best for his business and him. If you read carefuly the entire show was run by Roden and gallente megacorps. That means galllente just becomed like caldari in pre-Heth era.
President was just a muppet who cant run the show without megacorps. Sadly Foritain didnt realised. Now Gallente will pay the ultimate price. Internal conflicts+new election. Caldari probably have prime time.
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
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Posted - 2009.08.25 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: XnS dVd
Why... does the corporal seem to be telling the sergeant what to do though?
Because he's the man on the spot? All modern military systems, from the general staff of the German Empire onwards recognise that slavishly following orders is counter productive and that encouraging initiative and the freedom to act within a well-established and uniformly taught command system is needed to react appropriately and timely to a changing combat environment. In fact, such a necessity was already recognised in Clausewitz's time, as such a freedom of action reduces battlefield friction, and allows the attainment of victory in the fog of war. I could go on describing the reasons for why this is necessary, but basically it is an accurate description of what is happening daily on the modern battlefield today.
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
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Posted - 2009.08.25 10:02:00 -
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Regarding the differences and similarities of the Caldari State and the Gallente Federation, it is simplistic to assume the former is authoritarian and evil, and the latter is a paragon of freedom and good.
Both are very similar yet at the same time very different from each other. The similarities stem from a shared history, the differences from a different way of achieving things.
The Caldari state for example is well-organised and hierarchical, with different mega-corporations making up the different powerblocks with relatively limited movement in stance. A Caldari is where he was born and to what mega-corporation was born in. Faction loyalty is inbred, absolute and inflexible. You are what you are, and that's that. In order to excel they employ the institutional fall-guy system for when mistakes are make, someone who takes the blame for all, but is looked after well enough to make sure that no too big a fuzz is me. But at the same time they use the Japanese-type advancement system, where younger employees, to a certain extend, are expected to challenge and compete with the established power structure, for the good of the whole. They trade-in personal freedoms for personal (job) security, leaving them more time to devote to the general advancement of society along hierarchical lines. Although everyone kisses arse upwards while kicking savagely downwards, there is an overall competitiveness and meritocracy build within the system that makes it overall very efficient if somewhat cumbersome.
The Gallente Federation in many aspects is the complete opposite, and arrives at the same situation in a different way. As reflected in the chronicle, the predominant feature is personal freedom, which comes at the cost of overall chaos that can be difficult to control. The name of the game is personal advancement at whatever cost to others in society, which certainly is competitive, but has a tendency to leave citizens to fend for themselves. No job security for the Gallentean. As the Caldari, the Gallenteans are capticalistic, perhaps even more so, but do without the advancement of the whole, emphasising self-interest as a means for raising the bar generally. Deregulation and a constant state of flux while individuals strive for position is both a boon to personal advancement and a drawback for those who fall through the cracks. Lacking the Caldari benign tolerance for advancement of the junior official, power and influence in the Federation need to be wrested from the top dogs, and while the climb can be hard and fast, the fall can be as well. Under such circumstances, it is only natural that everything is about appearances and politics, as in order to reduce risk of failure, marriages of convenience to further oneself are natural, and you only back an upstart when he appears to be a winner, and you expect to gain something by doing so. And this is where all the corporations and powerblocks stem from in the Federation. And it also explains the government system and why propaganda is so important. Whereas the Caldari are all about the silent opposition and obstructive cooperation, the Gallente are about the back-dealing challenge and the empty promise.
Some keywords to remember:
Caldari: the common good, meritocracy, institutional fall-guy, established hierarchical structure, and efficiency
Gallente: self-interest, personal freedom, cut-throat competition, deregulated capitalism, and flexibility
So as you see, neither are good, both have their evil side, nor are they the same. The very basis of Caldari and Gallente society is different, and everything flows from there.
Which is exactly the reason why the 'Gallente turn authoritarians' arc didn't work for me. It clashes fundamentally with everything the Gallente Federation stands for, good and bad. So I'm glad that is now rapidly disappearing from the storyboard, and we're now moving again towards the Federation we all love, admire, loath, and fear.
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
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Posted - 2009.08.25 10:13:00 -
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Ohh, and old Jacky Roden didn't save the Gallentean Federation. He only saved his business being nationalised and taken away from him. Nationalisation of the Gallentean military-industrial complex may have been in the best interest of the common good, and as such, may have been achieved in the State. But in the Federation, nationalisation of any effort is not in the self-interest of the individual, and clashes fundamentally with the personal freedom if the individual to run his corporation without government interference.
Old Jacky Roden may have claimed to have saved the Federation from an authoritarian president for the holoreels, but any well thinking Gallentean will instantly recognise that he just didn't want to lose control of his arms-empire. And given that all other gun-dealers basically didn't want to either, they joined hands even with someone like Jacky Roden (who isn't very popular among that crowd), to get what they want. Obviously, "the common good" played no role in this what-so-ever.
And now Jacky Roden is testing the waters on what exactly he can gain from his new-found position of influence. The pieces are moving, the game is on!
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.08.25 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane
excellent stuff
Excellent stuff there Bartholomeus.
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Lt Forge
Pilots From Honour
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.08.25 15:44:00 -
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Gallenteans: 'The west'
Caldari: Communism combined with national socialism 
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.08.25 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai
EVE has never had any good guys. The general structure of the Federation just happens to mesh quite well with what we'd expect from a modern civilized nation.
In reality it's not so great, and I'm happy that the cracks are showing.
Sure, even in a setting of 'Shades of Gray' you need lighter and darker shades. That doesn't mean that the Federation should be, or was ever, "the beacon of all that is good and just."
I'm not sure the start of that is an entirely fair assessment. Just as I disagree with Anhk's assertion that you need an entire group/figurehead to be good guys, I think to assert that EVE has no good guys is equally incorrect. The distinction perhaps is that EVE along with other mature RPGs makes it quite clear that there are good people and bad people, and almost never will you find a single group that is all good or all bad, by one's own definitions.
There have been plenty of paragons in EVE's backstory - people doing what they believe is right and damn the consequences - but more often they are condemned rather than supported by their people/government for stepping outside the accepted norms, regardless of which group that is. As has been argued, what the President is trying to do is perhaps for good/positive reasons, but nevertheless goes against the Gallente norm. Is he good or bad for that? It can't be answered objectively - one must first filter the question based on one's own bias, put oneself in the same situation and ask 'would I do that?'.
I don't think one can ever have absolute good or bad, either in a game or reality, nor, despite the slightly sardonic nature of the comments, do many games actually try to achieve that (for example a thorough student of the Warcraft universe would know that the simplification of WoW into two sides is far from accurate or fair). Indeed we cannot define good or bad without recourse to our own experiences; this is exemplified in the statement 'one person's freedom fighter is another's terrorist'.
After all, as a character in another sci-fi genre once said far more eloquently than I, what do any of us do except what we feel is a good idea at the time?
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Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Hikage Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.25 21:17:00 -
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Nice chronicle. A good change of pace from Abraxas' more artistic and sophisticated, less mundane and informative work.
I disagree with the very first sentence of this thread. This is not a shift. It's more of a counter-shift. The real shift happened then.
...Aaand, "Gnauton", by chance, a contraption of Gnothi Seauton (whose greek translation would be "know yourself")? 
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.26 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane
Ohh, and old Jacky Roden didn't save the Gallentean Federation. He only saved his business being nationalised and taken away from him. Nationalisation of the Gallentean military-industrial complex may have been in the best interest of the common good, and as such, may have been achieved in the State. But in the Federation, nationalisation of any effort is not in the self-interest of the individual, and clashes fundamentally with the personal freedom if the individual to run his corporation without government interference.
Old Jacky Roden may have claimed to have saved the Federation from an authoritarian president for the holoreels, but any well thinking Gallentean will instantly recognise that he just didn't want to lose control of his arms-empire. And given that all other gun-dealers basically didn't want to either, they joined hands even with someone like Jacky Roden (who isn't very popular among that crowd), to get what they want. Obviously, "the common good" played no role in this what-so-ever.
And now Jacky Roden is testing the waters on what exactly he can gain from his new-found position of influence. The pieces are moving, the game is on!
Roden saving the Federation was not on his intent. That is my point. He was acting out of self interest, and the Federation did not reach that goal of nationalizaion.
Hence the irony. True freedom is not maintained well by freaks who pretend to cherish it above their own self interest. There is usually a dark side to that type. People working in their own self interest by entering into voluntary contracts and cooperation, outside of the auspices and without approval under a central authoroty is the embodiment of freedom.
This is why I say that Roden saved teh Federation by defying it.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.26 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
stuff
I suppose I was making a bit of a hyperbole. It might be more fair to say that EVE has never had any indisputable good guys.
It takes both black and white to make gray. The Gallente have a bit more white than the Amarr and the Caldari, but there's still plenty of black.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.26 11:26:00 -
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I do not know what is best: this chronicle or Bartholomeus Crane explaining the differences between Gallente and Caldari societies. Never the less both were an entertaining read.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.26 12:16:00 -
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Very good reading.
This is exactly what I like those chronicals to be :-)
And very interesting implications also.
All in all: good stuff.
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Forge
Gallenteans: 'The west'
Caldari: Communism combined with national socialism
Too easy.
Both are capitalistic on principle, only the former is entrepreneurial while the later is corporatism. Equal pay and the dictatorship of the masses is a concept foreign to both. In the former, if you're not good enough you'll fall through the cracks of the system, in the later you'll remain in the system but end up doing hard labour mining veldspar on some gods forsaken rock. In the Federation you can make a fortune by knowing the right people and greasing some palms (on way or another), in the State you work hard enough and kiss enough arse. Neither system is good, or necessarily evil.
When it comes to national socialism or fascistism, it is only natural that it can establish itself in the State, for the same reasons why it can only fail miserably in the Federation. In the State, hierarchy is a given, and the population needs little effort for 'gleichschaltung'. And since, by necessity, a large portion of the industrial effort is already geared towards military application, either State sponsored or corporation-based, progressive radicalism is already available and inherent in the system. Anything efficient, i.e. that which makes the trains run on time, is worthwhile exploiting, for the benefit of the whole ofcourse.
Not so for the Federation. Military application or efficiency is an expedient for individual development, and should never hamper it. Personal fulfilment, even in extreme forms is paramount, and good Isk can be made providing it (check out Caduceus, on Sovicou, or rather, don't). Limits to it are endured only until they can be removed. The Federation will never, can never walk in step with the company line. In the State you get born walking in step.
The difference is fundamental. Although this may be a strength of the State, the Federation counters it through sheer idealism and passion, however ill-suited, misplaced, and ill-guided it often is. Where in the State thousands will join the fray because of orders or because of the notion that it will result in eventual improvement for all, in the Federation thousands will lay down their lives voluntarily and without force, simply because they believe it is the right thing to do, whether it is welcome for the recipient or not.
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Doctor Cal'torien
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Posted - 2009.08.26 21:05:00 -
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very interesting. the political landscape of Galliente is changing
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.08.27 04:20:00 -
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amazing how eve is mirroring the world these days, like the west with the govermental take over of the banks and car industries and lending institutions.
ebank crumbling under debt and toxic assets much like the banks in the west.
creepy stuff indeed, good story btw.
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AstraPardus
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
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Posted - 2009.08.27 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
stuff
I suppose I was making a bit of a hyperbole. It might be more fair to say that EVE has never had any indisputable good guys.
It takes both black and white to make gray. The Gallente have a bit more white than the Amarr and the Caldari, but there's still plenty of Blaque.
Fix'd. :D
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Yuki Nomura
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Posted - 2009.08.27 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Meh.
Nationalizing the arms industry and FINALLY doing something against the Caldari was the first and only good thing Foiritan did.
And this Roden doesn't have any appeal to me either. There needs to be an unmistakable Good Guy as president so the Gallente are once again the beacon of all that is good and just in the EVE universe. Anything less will just make them another Caldari flavor, there needs to be more to set the Gallente apart from the Caldari.
Gallente = Freedom, democracy, complex culture, wealth for joe average, happy happy joy.
Caldari = Extreme capitalism, militarism, dark tyranny and oppression of the individual.
Only one problem with that. A democratic and elected government such as your simple = states Does not and never will exist not in eve or in reality. Corruption deceit dark paths back room deals and working in the best interest of only those that put you in power and not the ones that elected you are the true meaning of Democracy.
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Ancula
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane
Originally by: XnS dVd
Why... does the corporal seem to be telling the sergeant what to do though?
Because he's the man on the spot? All modern military systems, from the general staff of the German Empire onwards recognise that slavishly following orders is counter productive and that encouraging initiative and the freedom to act within a well-established and uniformly taught command system is needed to react appropriately and timely to a changing combat environment. In fact, such a necessity was already recognised in Clausewitz's time, as such a freedom of action reduces battlefield friction, and allows the attainment of victory in the fog of war. I could go on describing the reasons for why this is necessary, but basically it is an accurate description of what is happening daily on the modern battlefield today.
They're both "on the spot". A better explanation is that it is an error and the story's author doesn't understand military rank structures. A couple obvious reasons:
- The interior monologue of the "Corporal" about PR and his target being crazy also belies a level of sophistication of thought far beyond your average junior NCO.
- What are the odds than an elite unit which requires such a high level of autonomy/freedom of action would be commanded by a Corporal? Zero. Unless it happened during the fog of war as a function of attrition which clearly isn't the case here.
We could go on, but let's just call a duck a duck, it is an error. The author should do a find and replace substituting Captain for Corporal and bump the entire piece up a few levels of believability.
On an unrelated note: Anyone else wonder why Blaque didn't just call Roden in the first place if he was that easy to get on the horn?
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
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Posted - 2009.08.28 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: Bartholomeus Crane on 28/08/2009 10:29:55
Originally by: Ancula
They're both "on the spot". A better explanation is that it is an error and the story's author doesn't understand military rank structures. A couple obvious reasons:
- The interior monologue of the "Corporal" about PR and his target being crazy also belies a level of sophistication of thought far beyond your average junior NCO.
- What are the odds than an elite unit which requires such a high level of autonomy/freedom of action would be commanded by a Corporal? Zero. Unless it happened during the fog of war as a function of attrition which clearly isn't the case here.
We could go on, but let's just call a duck a duck, it is an error. The author should do a find and replace substituting Captain for Corporal and bump the entire piece up a few levels of believability.
On an unrelated note: Anyone else wonder why Blaque didn't just call Roden in the first place if he was that easy to get on the horn?
Or, you are just making mountains out of molehills?
As an alternative explanation you could argue that his is an elite unit where its members have worked with each other for a long time and have participated in these types of operations many times over, and as such, the hierarchical structure, as in most elite units, makes little difference "on the ground"? There is plenty of reference available where experienced non-coms make the actual decisions on the battlefield with commissioned officers or less experienced non-coms tacitly accepting their judgement in practical matters.
Also, the "level of sophisticated thought" shown by the Corporal isn't out of place for one who would have been briefed extensively on the person they were apprehending. Moreover, Jackies reputation of being a something of a hermit should be considered to be well-known in Gallente society. The PR angle may have been because of earlier experience as well. Non-coms aren't stupid, in fact most military organisations are practically run by them. Flexibility of the command structure on the battlefield is a feature of the modern military, why would it not be so for the Black Eagles?
Moreover, the sergeant may have chosen to lead the company by himself, leaving his trusted and experienced corporal as a reserve and communications link to provide overall battlefield intelligence. This may even have come about as a result of a bounding advance, it now being the corporals turn to provide overwatch. You can even interpret the chronicle as the corporal acknowledging a tactic or strategy agreed upon in advance or part of SOP, instead of ordering him around.
So calling it an error maybe a bit strong. Although I do agree that making the corporal a captain, or rather lieutenant, would have been more natural, as this would remove the need for all these explanations.
On your unrelated note: because Blaque didn't want to tip Roden off that they were coming for him? Element of surprise and all that?
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BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.09.03 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: BiggestT on 03/09/2009 11:34:41
Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane
A+
Excellent posting! It's remarkable to see proper use of the english language for once; using proper, refined words such as, "megalomaniacal" and "duplicitous" is quite refreshing on these forums.
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Great Artista
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.05 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
And this Roden doesn't have any appeal to me either. There needs to be an unmistakable Good Guy as president so the Gallente are once again the beacon of all that is good and just in the EVE universe. Anything less will just make them another Caldari flavor, there needs to be more to set the Gallente apart from the Caldari.
Gallente = Freedom, democracy, complex culture, wealth for joe average, happy happy joy.
Caldari = Extreme capitalism, militarism, dark tyranny and oppression of the individual.
I hope you are joking.
People are essentially the same, its nice to see the boundaries of the races blur. I have the most interest towards caldari, so obviously I'm hoping for more material dealing with the lives of the people on the slippery ladders of the corporate structures, from average-joes to managers; to know how the Caldari society really works.
Thanks for this piece though! 
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OmDj
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Posted - 2009.09.06 16:03:00 -
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Most of these stories are so boring. They have nothing to do with us, the pilots. Whoever keeps writing these stories keep talking about people we never see or talk to.
I did a Google search for just capsuleers. There were I think maybe 2 or 3 stories directly related to us. And then there were some were the podders were simply referenced to as the 'flying-monsters who simply kill, take what we want and move on'.
And the majority were these boring stories like this Burning man or whatever the hell the title is. Nothing what so ever to do with the audience or even any way to relate to them.
What's the point of these stories? CCP just wastes money hiring people to write ****ty stories instead of making the game more fun? The stories/chronicles in WoW for example are fun to read after you have been in the world and seen what the characters are talking about.
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Captain Baja
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Posted - 2009.09.10 02:51:00 -
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Is the enemy of my enemy my friend?
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Azura Noctis
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Posted - 2009.11.04 09:17:00 -
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Reminds you of the actions taken in post 9/11 America, patriot act, and some calls for nationalization by extreme pro-government groups.
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Resipsa Loquitor
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.24 23:51:00 -
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Painting looks like a Modigliani.
Big fan of his work.
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