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Rikkus	Posted - 2009.08.26 17:32:00 - [31] How about instead of coming up with a new tier BS you come up with a Tier 3 BC? Almost all T1 ship classes have 3 or more ships available. The BC class only has 2. If you don't want to make the new BC more powerful then the Tier 2 tank/dps wise, then maybe a BC that specializes in the respective races ew specialty. It would be cool to see some new ships in the game that won't cost you over 1 billion isk to acquire.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.08.26 23:02:00 - [32] Originally by: Dav Varan what happened to all the tier 4's did they all get insta ganked ? Maths FTW :) Massive lack of reading comprehension FTL. I've already explained why Tier 5. It's because I'm ignoring Tier 4 for the moment. I have other designs for Tier 4. Like exploration BS. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy	Posted - 2009.09.03 00:30:00 - [33] Ive thrown the idea around. Even without special bays. They were doable. The issue is just... hotdamn they are overpowered. Warp in at 100km. Launch fighters as you lock. Toss them. Then blockade the gates. So as long as you have enough friends with fighters or a target not able to kill a fighter before leaving. You are almost certain to kill them. Even worse considering the 1 gate systems. Plop hic on gate after ur in there with them. Or rapier or arazu. They'd blow away the competition. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded.
Vordak Kallager Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.03 01:03:00 - [34] How about instead of fighters (you're all right w/ 8 turrets/missiles the proposed ship would be SOLOPWNMOBILE), you use drones. One of the ship's bonuses would be +1 Drone (able to be controlled) per level of Battleship (or if they made this a T2 Ship, per level of that skill). Give it maybe 150 Bandwidth (This would allow for lots of options: 5 Heavy/5 Lite, 10 Medium, 10 Light, 6 Heavy, and don't forget about logistics/ewar drones) and 350+ drone bay. Maybe 4 Turrets/Missile hardpoints depending on race and then say 1, probably 2 more utility highs. A sizable tank and bonuses like (besides the +1 Drone) 10% Drone Hitpoints, 20% Shield (Caldari/Minnie) or 10% Armor (Gal/Amarr) Repair bonus for logistics drones. It'd be kind of like a mini-carrier, able to RR it's fleet, help dish out DPS on big targets as well as deal with small tacklers. However, the drones would be the main DPS and if they go, you're hosed. This would probably still be overpowered (10 Drones o.o) but I'm not very experienced with fleet PvP so I wouldn't really know. I can see this raping in Small Gang, though, so maybe instead of being a Battleship, it should be Battlecruiser Size and fit Medium guns and Battlecruiser class-tank? Might make for an interesting t3 Battlecruiser or at least utilize the tier2 current BC model. (I'd love a Drone-toting Hurricane.)
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp	Posted - 2009.09.08 14:48:00 - [35] OPs been watching BSG lately i think. ------ back from 90day forum ban.
Grut Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.08 16:40:00 - [36] Originally by: Vordak Kallager How about instead of fighters (you're all right w/ 8 turrets/missiles the proposed ship would be SOLOPWNMOBILE), you use drones. One of the ship's bonuses would be +1 Drone (able to be controlled) per level of Battleship (or if they made this a T2 Ship, per level of that skill). Give it maybe 150 Bandwidth (This would allow for lots of options: 5 Heavy/5 Lite, 10 Medium, 10 Light, 6 Heavy, and don't forget about logistics/ewar drones) and 350+ drone bay. Maybe 4 Turrets/Missile hardpoints depending on race and then say 1, probably 2 more utility highs. A sizable tank and bonuses like (besides the +1 Drone) 10% Drone Hitpoints, 20% Shield (Caldari/Minnie) or 10% Armor (Gal/Amarr) Repair bonus for logistics drones. It'd be kind of like a mini-carrier, able to RR it's fleet, help dish out DPS on big targets as well as deal with small tacklers. However, the drones would be the main DPS and if they go, you're hosed. This would probably still be overpowered (10 Drones o.o) but I'm not very experienced with fleet PvP so I wouldn't really know. I can see this raping in Small Gang, though, so maybe instead of being a Battleship, it should be Battlecruiser Size and fit Medium guns and Battlecruiser class-tank? Might make for an interesting t3 Battlecruiser or at least utilize the tier2 current BC model. (I'd love a Drone-toting Hurricane.) There is a drone BC ... and its fine so the above would be..... Kinsy > deadman you there? Kinsy > are either of us in pods, becase we dont know... Mostly harmless [ 2005.12.09 19:22:50 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Dreadnought
Wrangler Al Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.09.08 18:17:00 - [37] yes there is a drone BC... but only Galente can use it... A new tier of BC os BS with ncreased drone or limited fighter support that can go through gates would be great. As for guns.. 2-4 would be fine. One thing that has always bugged me about caps is you need someone to cyno for you... it would be so much better if the gates had a cyno so you jumped to them... but thats another topic entirely.
LordInvisible Gallente GK inc.	Posted - 2009.09.29 19:21:00 - [38] please change blackops..dont add more ships that will make other useless.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My story: www.subjectx.net/eng
Cheekything Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2009.10.01 02:32:00 - [39] I'm heavily confused for the following. a) Carriers do around 1000dps with 10 fighter so your doing less damage than a domi. b) Medium guns are still pointless on a battleship. So really the only benefit i see here is that they will have a massive drone bay and the fighters will follow people...
Aion Amarra Minmatar Real Nice And Laidback Corporation	Posted - 2009.10.01 14:56:00 - [40] Bellum: PLEASE reread the description of the fighters skill. Twice. 20% per fighter skill times 20% per fighter skill, assuming fighters V comes out at 4x damage, or the base damage of 20 fighters. This is exactly as much damage from fighters as a max skilled carrier gets, unless he fits DCUs. And you add GUNS to this thing. Also, you said nothing about that damage bonus not going for assigned fighters. I'm already seeing Rifters floating around with 5 fighters of OMGWTFMURDER. Words can not describe the wtf-face I made when reading this concept.
DarkXeRoX Euphoria Released	Posted - 2009.10.03 12:01:00 - [41] RR spec bs with fighters but no main firepower on its own. Logistic cruisers will always be handier as they small agile and hard to hit bs arnt amarr Role bonus can deploy 5 fighters 50% bonus to Energy and Armor transfer range per level 5% bonus to all Armor resistances per level Req Adv spaceship command V bs 4 (if tier 4 else bs V) Drone Interfacting V slot layout : 7 low 4mid 5high or so Fighter bay with space for 5 fighters and a drone bay of 150m3 U get a good tank and RR support and some fighters with isnt all that awesome considering fighters are 15mill ish a pop and do about 90-110 dps on their own U could stick neuts on it and try n solo about just fighters arnt that great against small targets. Also this will make good use of the fighter bay plan i read somewhere. BS avg cost be about 180-200 mill on market and combined with fighters its quite a pricey battleship and not realy effective on its own but effective in a gang. It doesnt make the logistic ships useless nor carriers. be a fun ship even without the fighters tho just change the role bonus to cap usage on the remote reppers.
Juliette DuBois	Posted - 2009.10.03 13:35:00 - [42] Two things really... Tier system is crap already and you want to add more? And these would be expensive to run since fighters ain¦t exactly cheap. It¦s 15m per pop. I would be gladly shooting their fighters at any change I get. Addionally I don¦t see the point, normal BS could do just about everything these can plus also snipe. Carriers ain¦t good because they have fighters, they¦re good because they can cyno and RR so well.
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2009.10.03 14:54:00 - [43] Edited by: Nian Banks on 03/10/2009 14:56:18 The topic of smaller carriers has been braught up several times that it's painful to think that ccp seems to hate drones and likes nothing more than nerfing them. That been said, I do believe that your forum thread title is inacurate and should be more like this... "Idea for new I-Win button in the form of a wtfbbq battleship carrier thing." Anyway let me give you a little history. During WWII quite a few civilian cargo and cruise ships were taken into service, many were refit for the odd jobs of medical ships, troop carriers and the like, there were however several that found a more active role during the war as they were refit into what we call today "light carriers" these were naturally not as big as the full fledged carrier as their hulls were small and build for civilian use. This however also meant they were quite a bit faster than the traditional carrier, speed also been kept as their armor was quite thin to non-existant, that's right, their tank was quite poor, cruiser poor. What the navy did with these light carriers was use them as escort ships, using the aircraft for recon and defense. Naturally this meant that a convoy could go at full speed as the escort was not slowing the fleet down, unlike if they used a traditional large armored carrier. Btw, their best name is "Escort Carrier" this to me is a much better class name. What I would suggest is that we use the highest tier Industrial ships, give them T2 hac resists and a mwd bonus. Change the cargo capacity bonus to a drone capacity bonus, remove the other industrial ship bonus and add a massive tracking bonus to large weapons. add a fighter control range and a hitpoint bonus to the racial specific fighter. Lastly add a role bonus to use one gang mod. Beyond that, give them a slot layout similar to a battlecruiser but with only a few high slots, 2 turret hardpoints and 2 utility highs. Oh and the fighters can't be assigned to anyone. Then you have something interesting.
Nathanael Ashcroft TAKAGI Corp	Posted - 2009.10.03 15:25:00 - [44] Edited by: Nathanael Ashcroft on 03/10/2009 15:27:01 I like the idea of a light/escort carrier Something BS sized with a kinda weak tank and firepower using fighters as its main DPS. I especially like Nian Banks' concept. Even if I would not make it on an Indus' hull. I think it could be a nice T2 for Tier 3 BS... Tanking mainly on resist and counting on Logistics/Carriers to maintain them alive. Could fly 3-4 fighters, along with 3 L-gun And a BC or even cruiser's med/low layout. Or forget the guns and add this ship a secondary E-war role. Fighter DPS /E-war boat with a thin tank and a BS hull. Doesn't sounds overpowered. --- KB\|RP
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2009.10.03 18:14:00 - [45] Originally by: Nathanael Ashcroft I especially like Nian Banks' concept. Even if I would not make it on an Indus'hull. Ahh well you see, the whole idea is to use a carebear civilian hull as the base hull for it, much like the real world version. Also, imagine the Mammoth white, add some bling on it and you have the battlestar galactica :)
Sunbird Huy Caldari WEPRA CORP Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.10.17 03:56:00 - [46] Edited by: Sunbird Huy on 17/10/2009 04:01:29 Did I get this right? You want, say a Rokh, with several fighters for BS takedowns, and ability to shoot the stuff he can't normally shoot at - cruisers or such stuff that usually just pests you. (picturing a giant brute waving a swarm of flies off, while choking the life out of another decently muscled punk?) The image of Battlestar Galactica comes into mind here, all the time. I've always considered that caps need such point defense or even a fourth line of slots for such stuff. Why is this? Well... If you ever saw any of the sci-fi movies/series, you will have seen some sort of point defense: battlestar galactica - had a line of those massive turrets to set ablaze an area/direction(flak fire or what's it called?) to deal with those Cylon fighters. While the nukes flew at the Cylon baseships. Another ******ed issue: Capital ships are so large, right? like several times the size of battleships? So they fit a few turrets, which cover about 5-10% of their total outer surface...What happens with 90-95% of the rest? Isn't there actually some space to fit those manned gun/missile slots, something of sorts the flying fortresses had in WW2 to fend off the fighter planes(KEEP IN MIND, THOSE ARE EFFECTIVE ONLY TO CERTAIN EXTENT - FORTRESSES STILL DIED IN HEAPS) But atm, caps are kind of too sensitive to certain setups, most notably ones with curses/pilgrims with logistics and a ecm pilot... Basic role for these "tier 5" bs's then becomes something like flagships for sub-cap fleets, or if mixed with cap fleets, a superb support for capitals, a name already mentioned - capital escort class/subcap flagships. So I guess I am absolutely supporting this idea of Bellum's. Needs working on it, but definitely a good step for EVE, CCP and all the subscribers. P.S. add 4th line of slots for caps for those defenses - smartbombs/neutralizers are not the way to go. o7 P.S.2. @Bellum, I think Oldtyme is building you a shrine somewhere heheheh :D
ZigZag Joe Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.17 04:19:00 - [47] My concept for 'escort carriers' As far as the OP goes: No. Overpowered. **** ton of drone space + guns (who says people will fit long range guns only?) + fighter damage bonus? Simply put, they're far too good (as proposed) as solo boats. A carrier is a support ship... not a solopwnmobile. These should be 'better' logistics boats (but not better so much they obsolete the normal ones).
Neutrino Sunset Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Tread Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.17 07:10:00 - [48] Originally by: Grut There is a drone BC ... and its fine so the above would be..... Are you sure? I presume you're talking about the Myrm, a drone BC that can field a fraction of the drones of a cruiser class drone boat (Ishtar), and no more drones than a T1 cruiser (Vexor), and assuming it has a neut fitted doesn't even do any more dps than said T1 cruiser. Not what I call fine, and probably the reason you hardly ever see them.
Wen Jaibao Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2009.12.20 09:19:00 - [49] So you want Battlestars in EVE? I like. Just make them hella expesnive, around the current cost of a faction BS imo. /signed
Valerius Surreal Domination	Posted - 2009.12.20 10:38:00 - [50] tbh your basic design theory lets me think you fly a dominix a lot. The dominix is already a "mini-carrier" in that it is the ONLY battleship that can field 5 heavy drones/sentries and have replacements in it's drone bay. Now, when talking about dominix most people fit them with either RR/Neut or medium blasters, the ship itself however has large hybrid bonus but in reality it doesn't matter much since it's quite difficult to fit with 6 large blasters/rails on it. Back to your idea. When i read your idea i immediately pictured myself THE uber gank dominix from hell. Supersized dronebay, bonus on med guns and more slots to go around and a tank thats the same as the designated tank BS from ccp, the tier 3's. In essence your idea can be tweaked down to conform with current standards ie good at 1 thing bad at everything else, but I don't really see the need for it. The tier 1 BS is a utility ship by design,, the tier 2's are the main battleships and the tier 3's the tankers, what you are asking ccp to do is add another utility class of BS's. ___________________________ Bringing Lag to a place near you since 2004
Duries Kain	Posted - 2009.12.22 13:13:00 - [51] Quote: "(in addition to the standard 5% damage bonus per level applied to fighters by the fighter skill)" I stopped reading here as its just a stupid idea and yoru numbers are... wrong. -- Need a fast, reliable and scalable Teamspeak 2 Server? Click Me!
Bagehi Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.12.28 20:07:00 - [52] If you want an escort carrier, make it an escort carrier. A cheaper, smaller, weaker carrier with less potential roles (i.e. no ship hold). You aren't asking for a BS here, you're asking for a carrier that can jump gates, can kill tacklers, and wander high sec like a giant epeen. If a ship had fighters and could jump gates, it would be ungodly overpowered (let alone putting guns that can kill tacklers on it). Also, I'm not sure what BSs you are familiar with, but 8 medium guns and 5 fighters is far more DPS than other BSs (not to mention all the slots that would normally be used for dps on a BS could be used to create a beefy tank). The reason you don't care about having logistics on it is because you want a solo wtfbbq ship. That is exactly what you are asking for, a solo ship. This runs contrary to the design of the game. Bellum, you seem to be missing a key concept in Eve Online. This is a multiplayer game. You are supposed to work together with other people to achieve objectives. To make sure this happens, the more powerful the ship gets, the more it is designed to rely on others. This is core to the design of ships in this game. Fix Local
Arthamel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.01.22 18:07:00 - [53] And the whole idea fails when you bring up pve - we don't want fighters in h-sec lvl4's. Never.
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2010.01.22 19:24:00 - [54] Edited by: Andrea Griffin on 22/01/2010 19:25:51 Originally by: Bellum Eternus The Caldari Ohrighan What the heck is an Orighan? I thought it might be a bird I had never heard of, but Google turns up nothing but this thread. If this has something to do with birds, the Caldari theme for ship names, I'd like to know. Since it is supposed to be a carrier type of ship, maybe a name change to a flock of birds would be more appropriate. A flock of crows is also known as a Murder or Congress, and a flock of ravens have colorful names such as an Unkindness, a Council, a Conspiracy, and a Constable, among others.
0oO0oOoOo0o	Posted - 2010.01.22 22:55:00 - [55] Originally by: Bellum Eternus The total DPS output won't exceed current peak outputs, so no massive gank ships will come out of this. Tanks will be on par with Tier 3 bs, with the grid and CPU configured to allow a 'normal' tank for a BS, along with the usual MWDs and cap injectors. Sorry but what's the point of the ship then ? Why would anyone fly a BS that has the same DPS and tank like other BS, only that it has to carry 10 Fighters, which cost 100-150 million isk for no DPS gain ?
Ramon Wilco Caldari Psycho Corp	Posted - 2010.01.23 00:33:00 - [56] There is a major problem for thoose monsters... (yes i m not into this idea, seems too overpowered and non usefull for me) its the hull itself... such a ship (BS class) will be accepted in high-sec... and fighter in high sec? na!!!! Fear your incomprehension, but love the differences. Ramon Wilco
Lusulpher Blackwater Syndicate	Posted - 2010.02.02 08:41:00 - [57] Originally by: Nicholas Barker OPs been watching BSG lately i think. This idea is too multirole, it covers all vectors of counterattack. At least Marauders have an ECM Achilles Heel. BlackOPs have suck. And this is a Hisec Capital! How do I vote down? Swap the Eos model to a Myrm please. 7
Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2010.02.02 08:45:00 - [58] Originally by: Lusulpher BlackOPs have suck. If that wasn't a stillborn ship class, I don't know what was.
Lusulpher Blackwater Syndicate Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.02.03 03:49:00 - [59] Originally by: Seth Ruin Originally by: Lusulpher BlackOPs have suck. If that wasn't a stillborn ship class, I don't know what was. Destroyers. The first iteration of Pirate ships. Assault frigates. The T1 tier 1 BCs the T1 tier 3 BSs. Orca iteration 1. They all fail(ed) at what they are/were supposed to do, even with all relevant skills trained. The nerfbat is strong these last few years. 7

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