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Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:01:00 -
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How do you Vote Yes on the removal of local in Null space?
Just click the Like button on https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=110995&find=unread
This post contains the removal of Local completely but the majority of replies are on removing Local in 0.0
0.0 has become a safer place to mine than Hi-sec 0.0 Alliances are funding Hulkagedon knowing that there own hulks are safe.
In 0.0 any one that shows up in Local who is not blue is prosecuted and killed. In Hi-sec you cannot tell the wolf from the sheep.
Without local in 0.0 these Alliances would have to actively patrol all parts of their sovereign space not just the outer edge.
This was shown to all of EVE that 0.0 must be too safe if these Alliances can abandon their space to come and burn Jita without fear for territory they have claimed in supposedly lawless space.
If we get enough likes maybe we could have it elected to next years CSM , Just send a cardboard cutout to Iceland with a speech bubble on it that says "Remove Local in Null". It would probably do a better job of fixing EvE than some of the members of past CSM's. This last bit is a joke but not that far off the truth.
This is NOT a forum for replies on the issue. Those occur here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=110995&find=unread for removal of Local in Null and here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=110157&find=unread for all the rest of the discussion on the stagnant hole 0.0 has become.
Joke replies however are always welcome. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:03:00 -
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Can we also vote on removing meaningless votes from the forums? |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:03:00 -
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Yeah this is a great idea. Make 0.0 even less enjoyable to live in than it is already. I'm sure that will attract people to live out there in droves. |

Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:06:00 -
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Keep those Joke replies coming:) Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
363
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:09:00 -
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Click "like" on my post if you think Frying Doom is a big dumb |

Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:10:00 -
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Being vocal about removal of null bear local!
Vote nao! |

Opertone
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
126
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:16:00 -
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yes |

Spineker
161
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:17:00 -
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No
Learn to adapt and all that other horseshit people tell highsec players |

Ituhata Saken
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
211
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:18:00 -
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I think an interesting middleground alternative might be to make local count all the players in the entire constellation. A little more mystery should make it fun.  You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |

Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:31:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Keep those Joke replies coming:) Why bother? None are going to beat the op. |

RAP ACTION HERO
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:32:00 -
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so why create this thread moron, attention seeking freakwhore |

Artimis Scout
Wormhole Cartography
1
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:35:00 -
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Whats stopping you from minimizing your local chat screen? It will be like local is removed just what you are looking for. |

Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:41:00 -
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Spineker wrote:No
Learn to adapt and all that other horseshit people tell highsec players Wouldn't the removal of local be more like making the Null sec carebears adapt by not giving them free intel. You know like the Hi-sec players have too.
It's 0.0 lawless space HTFU Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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RAP ACTION HERO
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:42:00 -
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op you are the most pathetic kind of scum wagon jumping me-tooing everything you see on the gd, low even for the gd, oh i am anti goon, but now i am going to start ganking too let's not forget how creepy you were for issler dainze a few months back
lurk more, read up on nickyo, masternerdguy, and those other regulars, count to ten before you post. christ |

MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
776
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:43:00 -
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yes, YES
but, imo it must come with a fix to warp speeds. i know that sounds weird but trust me, it's going to be necessary for ships with 4 times the warp speed to actually land on grid faster and be able to scout for real. Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 salesXbox 360: 2.2 millionPlayStation 3: 1.5 millionPC: 500,000 |

Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:45:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:op you are the most pathetic kind of scum wagon jumping me-tooing everything you see on the gd, low even for the gd, oh i am anti goon, but now i am going to start ganking too let's not forget how creepy you were for issler dainze a few months back
lurk more, read up on nickyo, masternerdguy, and those other regulars, count to ten before you post. christ Thanks:) Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Kimmi Chan
Perkone Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:49:00 -
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Another possible option by Mors Sanctitatis Intelligence shouldn't be free. by Mors Sanctitatis |

Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:53:00 -
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To be honest I love those ideas, I just think CCP would stuff them up or come up with some wonderful idea to make them "Better" that is why I am promoting the easier option of removing local in null. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Chunicha
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:05:00 -
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Posting in a thread created by an idiot who doesnt realize removing local from 0.0 would make it essentially the same as W-space 
I, too, enjoy killing variety and gameplay options in my sandbox. |

Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:09:00 -
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Chunicha wrote:Posting in a thread created by an idiot who doesnt realize removing local from 0.0 would make it essentially the same as W-space  I, too, enjoy killing variety and gameplay options in my sandbox. 0.0 without Local is nothing like Wormhole space go read the whole argument thread it was brought up several times and shot down in flames by different people.
So the glib reply I always give is "You think Null and WH are the same go try to get sovereignty in one." Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1070
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:11:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote: let's not forget how creepy you were for issler dainze a few months back
never forget |

Chunicha
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:12:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Chunicha wrote:Posting in a thread created by an idiot who doesnt realize removing local from 0.0 would make it essentially the same as W-space  I, too, enjoy killing variety and gameplay options in my sandbox. 0.0 without Local is nothing like Wormhole space go read the whole argument thread it was brought up several times and shot down in flames by different people.
0.0 NPC without local would be exactly like w-space with the only exception being that the belts would have rats. There is a reason why CCP doesnt listen to the tunnel-vision idiots such as yourself, they have a bigger picture of things, and realize that creating the same circumstances in 0.0 NPC that exist in w-space would kill off an entire aspect of gameplay having nothing to do with 0.0. You should think these things through before spewing your mental diarrhea onto the forums. |

Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:13:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote: let's not forget how creepy you were for issler dainze a few months back
never forget Yeah for my next amazing trick I might even try to get a member of Goonwarm to finish an entire term on the CSM.  Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
358
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:20:00 -
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Chunicha wrote: 0.0 NPC without local would be exactly like w-space with the only exception being that the belts would have rats.
Clearly someone who has never even been to WH space.
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Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:23:00 -
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Chunicha wrote:There is a reason why CCP doesnt listen to the tunnel-vision idiots such as yourself, they have a bigger picture of things A bigger picture of things like when they released Incarna? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
717
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:31:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Chunicha wrote: 0.0 NPC without local would be exactly like w-space with the only exception being that the belts would have rats.
Clearly someone who has never even been to WH space.
You're clearly someone who has never left hisec eh |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
717
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:31:00 -
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Frying Doom you should stop posting about 0.0 and concern yourself with your mining/l4s eh |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
995
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:34:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Xorv wrote:Chunicha wrote: 0.0 NPC without local would be exactly like w-space with the only exception being that the belts would have rats.
Clearly someone who has never even been to WH space. You're clearly someone who has never left hisec Oh ho, but have they been in WHs?
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

Strange Shadow
Hedion University Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:45:00 -
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Nullsec already pays for local's intel with Sov bills.
Requesting removal of local in highsec instead, they didnt paid for it and they have concord already. Its used for jita scamming only anyway.
Pls vote for removing highsec local, that would attract more people to null. |

Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
358
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:48:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Xorv wrote:Chunicha wrote: 0.0 NPC without local would be exactly like w-space with the only exception being that the belts would have rats.
Clearly someone who has never even been to WH space. You're clearly someone who has never left hisec
Why do you say that? ..and do you also think that the only thing distinguishing Wormhole Space and NPC Null Sec is Local and belt rats?
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
717
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Posted - 2012.06.01 06:08:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Why do you say that? ..and do you also think that the only thing distinguishing Wormhole Space and NPC Null Sec is Local and belt rats?
There are numerous other differences between nullsec and wormhole space, and those differences are why delayed local works in wormholes and why it'd be absolutely stupid in nullsec. Why don't you go to a wormhole if you love delayed local so much? eh |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
717
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Posted - 2012.06.01 06:13:00 -
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one of the differences is that this doesn't show up on top of you in a wormhole eh |

Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
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Posted - 2012.06.01 06:23:00 -
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Strange Shadow wrote:Nullsec already pays for local's intel with Sov bills.
Requesting removal of local in highsec instead, they didnt paid for it and they have concord already. Its used for jita scamming only anyway.
Pls vote for removing highsec local, that would attract more people to null. The argument is very simple
Empire is space controlled by empires with trillions of citizens, these empires can make skill books, bpos and so much more including the technology for local.
Sovereignty space is controlled by thousands of people only and is completely insignificant to an Empire. The easiest way to put this forward would be to say the upkeep of the local system in empire costs a fortune, higher than these fledgling Alliances can afford. Not to mention if you had technology like that would you just give it away? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
436
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Posted - 2012.06.01 06:25:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote: let's not forget how creepy you were for issler dainze a few months back
never forget Yeah for my next amazing trick I might even try to get a member of Goonwarm to finish an entire term on the CSM.  Like in CSM 1,2,3, and 4, you mean? Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

gobbybobby
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
6
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Posted - 2012.06.01 06:27:00 -
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I like the idea that the sov holder can customize how Local will work (delayed, instant, non)
but NPC-null sec should remain as it is today. |

Bossy Lady
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.06.01 06:31:00 -
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Local in 0.0 should go...
...as soon as there is a reasonable replacement data gathering tool. (eg: a massively reworked D-SCAN)
Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M. |

Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1503
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Posted - 2012.06.01 06:36:00 -
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No |

Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
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Posted - 2012.06.01 06:40:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote: let's not forget how creepy you were for issler dainze a few months back
never forget Yeah for my next amazing trick I might even try to get a member of Goonwarm to finish an entire term on the CSM.  Like in CSM 1,2,3, and 4, you mean? Oh you mean the very CSM's that where totted by the Goonswarm in the last CSM elections as useless and nothing more than a PR stunt. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
353
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Posted - 2012.06.01 06:56:00 -
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No.
Aside from the usual argument, removing local would significantly reduce the chance of engagement/fights and made it far harder to collect useful intel for fleet engagements and small gang roams. Fleet battles, small gang roams are some of the reasons people go to null in the first place. "Eve isnGÇÖt some welcoming online utopia: itGÇÖs cut-throat, cruel, atavistic despite the futuristic setting. Give people a sandbox, and theyGÇÖll throw the sand in a rivalGÇÖs eyes before kicking them in the shins and destroying their sandcastle." -Keza MacDonald, IGN. |

Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
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Posted - 2012.06.01 07:53:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:No.
Aside from the usual argument, removing local would significantly reduce the chance of engagement/fights and made it far harder to collect useful intel for fleet engagements and small gang roams. Fleet battles, small gang roams are some of the reasons people go to null in the first place. So your argument is keep it for the same reasons the population is so low atm. 0.0 should be so much more than easy Pvp.
EvE is not only a PvP game, strangely CCP decided to make other parts of the game like missions, mining, trading and so much more. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
747
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Posted - 2012.06.01 07:53:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Yeah this is a great idea. Make 0.0 even less enjoyable to live in than it is already. I'm sure that will attract people to live out there in droves. Pretty much this.
Every time Frying Doom is pushed on this, all he does is respond with "well that's just, like, your opinion, man!", even though he himself says that nullsec is more depopulated than it should be, and the risk vs reward aspect is broken. So he wants to fix that by making it riskier still, and expects that suddenly the hisec population will see that nullsec is a hardcore place and suddenly man up and go out there in droves.
I don't quite understand his logic, but that's why we keep getting these topics, because of people like himi, with his weird sense of logic. vOv |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1070
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Posted - 2012.06.01 07:57:00 -
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i dunno where his plan of highsec pubbies waging a guerilla war on goons' mining backbone could go wrong. Clearly the one barrier must be the existence of local. |

TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
41
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Posted - 2012.06.01 07:58:00 -
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Maybe it should be kind of "tiered" - in terms of the lore it could be reasoned out as: high sec has the most infrastructure so has full local, lowsec/nullsec have less infrastructure so only have a constellation wide "local", wormholes have nothing (and love it) |

Lord Zim
747
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Posted - 2012.06.01 07:58:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:So your argument is keep it for the same reasons the population is so low atm. 0.0 should be so much more than easy Pvp. Unlike your and caliph's suggestions which'll depress the population even further? |

Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
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Posted - 2012.06.01 07:58:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Yeah this is a great idea. Make 0.0 even less enjoyable to live in than it is already. I'm sure that will attract people to live out there in droves. Pretty much this. Every time Frying Doom is pushed on this, all he does is respond with "well that's just, like, your opinion, man!", even though he himself says that nullsec is more depopulated than it should be, and the risk vs reward aspect is broken. So he wants to fix that by making it riskier still, and expects that suddenly the hisec population will see that nullsec is a hardcore place and suddenly man up and go out there in droves. I don't quite understand his logic, but that's why we keep getting these topics, because of people like himi, with his weird sense of logic. vOv It would make Pvp harder but also more strategic as you would not be able to get instant information as to your oponents size for one thing and it would create a system that would favour the attentive rather than the current system that favours the lazy.
There are alot of other points that I have made repeatedly but Zim doesn't seem to be able to read. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
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Posted - 2012.06.01 07:59:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:i dunno where his plan of highsec pubbies waging a guerilla war on goons' mining backbone could go wrong. Clearly the one barrier must be the existence of local. Oh another "I can't be bothered to read, so I will just comment anyway" post. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
747
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Posted - 2012.06.01 08:00:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Maybe it should be kind of "tiered" - in terms of the lore it could be reasoned out as: high sec has the most infrastructure so has full local, lowsec/nullsec have less infrastructure so only have a constellation wide "local", wormholes have nothing (and love it) I'd say that if we had to do a tiered type of local, then hisec has full local, lowsec has less infrastructure so only a constellation-wide local, NPC nullsec has none or constellation-wide local, WH has none, and conquered nullsec depends on what the occupying force has setup themselves. |

Shian Yang
229
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Posted - 2012.06.01 08:00:00 -
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/sigh.
I am too exhausted by the general lack of ... I don't even know what it is the majority of capsuleers lack. I can't even greet you properly. Let me explain this in simple terms.
There is a thing called the CSM. The CSM is there to take our concerns to CCP. You are linking to a random thread. This thread is not in the appropriate forum section. Likes will achieve **** all.
Post it in the proper place. Get voter support for it as authorised in the CSM charter - there is a special button / checkbox to support a CSM topic. If it gains a certain level of support they are FORCED to consider it.
But no, let's post a random thread and ask for likes because that is sure to actually get you somewhere.
****. Really. Just ****.
Shian Yang
Edit: It is a good idea. I'd support it. But I'd like to support it and see what comes of it but in a way that means something and where it can achieve something. Not just a general sperg in the hope that something happens. |

Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
1031
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Posted - 2012.06.01 08:01:00 -
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Just block Lord Zim. He has never said anything of value. Ever.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

Lord Zim
747
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Posted - 2012.06.01 08:02:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:It would make Pvp harder but also more strategic as you would not be able to get instant information as to your oponents size for one thing And you'll have tons of fleets missing eachother because their scout weren't in the right place, hence missed PVP opportunity.
Frying Doom wrote:and it would create a system that would favour the attentive rather than the current system that favours the lazy. "Favour the attentive"? You mean the system which could potentially cut down the possible response time to as low as 4 seconds? Which could happen at any given time?
I think what you meant to say is "favours the ganker". |

TigerXtrm
Cadre Assault Force Initiative Mercenaries
23
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Posted - 2012.06.01 08:03:00 -
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What happened to adapt or die? Or does that only apply when things work in your favor? |

Ned Black
Driders
29
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Posted - 2012.06.01 08:03:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:No.
Aside from the usual argument, removing local would significantly reduce the chance of engagement/fights and made it far harder to collect useful intel for fleet engagements and small gang roams. Fleet battles, small gang roams are some of the reasons people go to null in the first place.
Not really, what it would make possible however is ambushes. How many times have I not been in fleets that suddenly notice a spike in local and instead of fighting tucks tail and runs for the hills?
You will be much more dependent on scouts no doubt about it, but to me that is a good thing. And its actually quite a bit of an adrenaline enhancer to not know for what you are up against.
Small gang roams would probably find MORE targets if local was removed simply because the targets are unaware of you being in there with them. You need quite a bit of lot and that targets are not paying attention to catch them now.
The only thing that I think need changing if local goes away is the cyno mechanics. Ships should have a cyno speed so that they need time to move from one place to the other after they cyno pops. If the cyno ship gets destroyed before you arrive you should end up in a random spot in the target system. This would make hot drops a lot harder but in my opinion much more fun as well. |

Lord Zim
747
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Posted - 2012.06.01 08:03:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Just block Lord Zim. He has never said anything of value. Ever. I'm sorry you don't like hard things like "the truth" or "facts". vOv |

Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
104
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Posted - 2012.06.01 08:03:00 -
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CCP never remove local because they realise to meny nullbear come to forum with tears. Nullbears need local to feel safe, and if they spot somone on local they logofski or dock to station - pos.
Second and most importand thing about local, that people know they not alone in big universe, local is most importand game mechanic part that give social abilitys, EvE isn't Startrek, startrek crew before speak with other capitan ship using scaner and radio, while we cant speak with other pilots by this way, but this would be very cool, well we still can use (start converstation) but to start it you need see somone on local... |

Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
269
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Posted - 2012.06.01 08:06:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:What happened to adapt or die? Or does that only apply when things work in your favor? Good quote and it really sums it up doesn't it. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
1031
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Posted - 2012.06.01 08:07:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:Get voter support for it as authorised in the CSM charter - there is a special button / checkbox to support a CSM topic. If it gains a certain level of support they are FORCED to consider it.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Forced by who? The CSM pushes it's own personal agenda. An agenda that is comprised of the entities that put them there. Seriously what rock have you been living under?
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

Lord Zim
747
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Posted - 2012.06.01 08:10:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Forced by who? The CSM pushes it's own personal agenda. An agenda that is comprised of the entities that put them there. Seriously what rock have you been living under? Still haven't gotten rid of that SHC paranoia, I see. |

Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
269
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Posted - 2012.06.01 08:21:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Shian Yang wrote:Get voter support for it as authorised in the CSM charter - there is a special button / checkbox to support a CSM topic. If it gains a certain level of support they are FORCED to consider it. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Forced by who? The CSM pushes it's own personal agenda. An agenda that is comprised of the entities that put them there. Seriously what rock have you been living under? The current meeting in Iceland is looking at removing the [Proposal] header in Assembly hall.
Seleene wrote:Malcanis wrote:Does posting in the assembly hall still have any value as far as you are concerned?
If so, please quantify that value. TBH, it's actually something we're going to discuss at the summit. ATM it does seem to be the step-child of the forums.
So at the moment there is not much point in it.
Even though the welcome message still says
"How it works: In order to raise an issue, simply create a new thread. In the title write a brief description and in the body, give as many details about your idea as possible. Any person replying to the thread can check a box to show support for the issue, which provides at-a-glance on the thread listing how supported an idea is. If a CSM member wants to raise an issue in a meeting, they are only allowed to select issues arising from threads in the Assembly hall, and only threads that are at least a week old."
The voting on issues is a process that occurs during the CSM elections I believe.
Yeah the post by Marlona Sky was right they all have their own agenda and that is part of why they are there, large threads on the other hand do eventually get the eye of CCP one way or the other. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
1031
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Posted - 2012.06.01 08:24:00 -
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Shhhhhhh. Don't let Lord Zim know that. It would shatter his small imagination where he thinks he knows what the **** is going on.
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Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
269
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Posted - 2012.06.01 09:01:00 -
[60] - Quote
Just 27 more likes to go and the No local for 0.0 thread could run for the CSM.
Please press like at https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=110995&find=unread Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1070
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Posted - 2012.06.01 09:02:00 -
[61] - Quote
wrong forum, do not pass go, do not collect $200 |

Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
269
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Posted - 2012.06.01 09:05:00 -
[62] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:wrong forum, do not pass go, do not collect $200 Strange I click on the link and it takes me to the forum titled "Grow some extremely durable genitalia."
Were does your send you? Null bear land. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1070
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Posted - 2012.06.01 09:08:00 -
[63] - Quote
Not the Assembly Hall. |

Lord Zim
747
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Posted - 2012.06.01 09:09:00 -
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The thread where you're arguing for no local while showing, quite unequivocally, that you don't even know how nullsec works in any way, shape or form? And the thread where caliph shows, quite unequivocally, that the only reason he wants that change (and he wants it in all parts of EVE, whereas you're just jealous of nullsec) is so he can gank more easily?
That thread? |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1070
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Posted - 2012.06.01 09:14:00 -
[65] - Quote
Yeah, the one that's in General Discussion and not Assembly Hall (which is where proposals with enough likes are eligible for CSM consideration, not GD). Meaning this whole thread was a dumb misinformed waste of time. Which it would have been anyway GD or no-GD. |

Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
269
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Posted - 2012.06.01 09:16:00 -
[66] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Yeah, the one that's in General Discussion and not Assembly Hall (which is where proposals with enough likes are eligible for CSM consideration, not GD). Meaning this whole thread was a dumb misinformed waste of time. Which it would have been anyway GD or no-GD. Oh except the CSM just discussed this in the last couple of days and the system may or may not be valid anymore, no one but the CSM and CCP knows.
Read more type less. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1070
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Posted - 2012.06.01 09:21:00 -
[67] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Yeah, the one that's in General Discussion and not Assembly Hall (which is where proposals with enough likes are eligible for CSM consideration, not GD). Meaning this whole thread was a dumb misinformed waste of time. Which it would have been anyway GD or no-GD. Oh except the CSM just discussed this in the last couple of days and the system may or may not be valid anymore, no one but the CSM and CCP knows. Read more type less. So not only is it in the wrong forum, but dependent on a process no longer continued by the CSM. Brilliant move, Frying Doom. |

Kitfox Mikakka
Third Impact Industries Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.06.01 09:22:00 -
[68] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Yeah, the one that's in General Discussion and not Assembly Hall (which is where proposals with enough likes are eligible for CSM consideration, not GD). Meaning this whole thread was a dumb misinformed waste of time. Which it would have been anyway GD or no-GD. Oh except the CSM just discussed this in the last couple of days and the system may or may not be valid anymore, no one but the CSM and CCP knows. Read more type less.
Well if the system won't be valid (IE, it doesn't need to be in Assembly Hall), what the hell makes you think it'd still use the same rules regarding numbers of likes and whatnot? Come on dude. |

Lord Zim
747
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Posted - 2012.06.01 09:22:00 -
[69] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:wrong forum, do not pass go, do not collect $200 Strange I click on the link and it takes me to the forum titled "Grow some extremely durable genitalia." Were does your send you? Null bear land. Let me help you. The link sends me to a thread (not a forum) in the following path: Home -+ EVE Forums -+ EVE Communication Center -+ EVE General Discussion -+ Grow some extremely durable genitalia
Notice the bolded bits. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1070
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Posted - 2012.06.01 09:23:00 -
[70] - Quote
Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Well if the system won't be valid (IE, it doesn't need to be in Assembly Hall), what the hell makes you think it'd still use the same rules regarding numbers of likes and whatnot? Power of wishful thinking, I'm guessing. |

Lord Zim
747
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Posted - 2012.06.01 09:27:00 -
[71] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Well if the system won't be valid (IE, it doesn't need to be in Assembly Hall), what the hell makes you think it'd still use the same rules regarding numbers of likes and whatnot? Power of wishful thinking, I'm guessing. Or just as good grasp of how rules work on the forum/with the CSM as in-game. |

Klown Walk
Fat People Lag IRL
94
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Posted - 2012.06.01 09:29:00 -
[72] - Quote
No, it will make solo/small gang pvp even harder. |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
1499

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Posted - 2012.06.01 09:36:00 -
[73] - Quote
Please do not create multiple topics on the same subject.
Thread locked.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
269
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Posted - 2012.06.01 09:36:00 -
[74] - Quote
Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Yeah, the one that's in General Discussion and not Assembly Hall (which is where proposals with enough likes are eligible for CSM consideration, not GD). Meaning this whole thread was a dumb misinformed waste of time. Which it would have been anyway GD or no-GD. Oh except the CSM just discussed this in the last couple of days and the system may or may not be valid anymore, no one but the CSM and CCP knows. Read more type less. Well if the system won't be valid (IE, it doesn't need to be in Assembly Hall), what the hell makes you think it'd still use the same rules regarding numbers of likes and whatnot? Come on dude. Do you people ever read anything?
I said "Just 27 more likes to go and the No local for 0.0 thread could run for the CSM."
Implying that because the number of likes in the last CSM election required to appear on the ballot was 100'.
On the opening post I said "If we get enough likes maybe we could have it elected to next years CSM , Just send a cardboard cutout to Iceland with a speech bubble on it that says "Remove Local in Null". It would probably do a better job of fixing EvE than some of the members of past CSM's."
I think we now have come to the root of the problem. The people that are continuously arguing against the implementation of "No local in Null", NEVER read anything. They just type letters and hit the POST button with never a thought passing between their ears. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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