Everything except fireing your gun at another PvPer is Industry or PvE. And PVE generally ties into some sort of industry.

You could play EvE just fine if there was no pvp allowed anywhere.

I could tech 1 fit my drake and still rock your noob ship.

Passive and active hardners and boosters repers can fix the issues of the alpha gank from "SOME" ships. However most pilots can not afford the billions of isk required to fit such fits, and asking them to is well, ridiculous when such a fitting while protecting them from say a destroyer, wont do jack squat against a Smartbomb BS ganker or a 5k - 15k Alpha volley from say a BC or BS.

Nope it's yours

1. Everything except fireing your gun at another PvPer is Industry or PvE. And PVE generally ties into some sort of industry.

You could play EvE just fine if there was no pvp allowed anywhere.
You could not play EvE if there was no industry as you would have no ships, no ammo, no anything. (And if you don't already know this.... then you don't need to be posting.)

2. I could tech 1 fit my drake and still rock your noob ship. it wouldn't even dent my shield.

3. Passive and active hardners and boosters repers can fix the issues of the alpha gank from "SOME" ships. However most pilots can not afford the billions of isk required to fit such fits, and asking them to is well, ridiculous when such a fitting while protecting them from say a destroyer, wont do jack squat against a Smartbomb BS ganker or a 5k - 15k Alpha volley from say a BC or BS.

So your supposition is severely flawed.

No.

Everything other than clicking the GÇ£accept missionGÇ¥ and GÇ£complete missionGÇ¥ is a form of PvP (maybe the GÇ£abandon missionGÇ¥ could qualify as well, but that usually happens as a result of PvP).

No, you couldn't, because there would be no industry and no market, because there would be no demand for anything (not to mention that there would be no industry or market for the simple reason that Gǣno PvPGǥ would remove them as well since they are PvP activities). You can already play this version of EVE, by the wayGǪ it's called GǣSingularityGǥ. Go there and see how fun it is.

So that point completely went over your head.
I'm shocked and surprised.

What on earth are you talking about?

For the record, it's quite easy to give, say, a Hulk protection enough to survive an alpha-based BS or BC (and surviving a smartbomb BS is ridiculously easy since they do so little damage).

You could play EvE just fine if there was no pvp allowed anywhere.

They did something similar in SWG. Industry vanished within 2 weeks and never recovered.

PvP is PLAYER vs PLAYER.

Wrong, you could use ships on missions, Incursions, WH's, all kinds of things.

You stated your noob ship could defeat a Billion isk fit BS

You obviously don't know how to fit a gank Smartbomb BS because they do about 25k + damage over the 10-15 seconds it takes concord to kill you

Exactly.
The market is a PLAYER competing vs. other PLAYERs to acquire the most goods for the lowest price and sell them at the highest price.
Industry is a PLAYER competing vs. other PLAYERs to get the most goods to the (player vs. player) market at the lowest production cost.
Mining is a PLAYER competing vs. other PLAYERs for the ore in the belts to use in (player vs. player) industry or just sell on the (player vs. player) market.
Exploration is a PLAYER competing vs. other PLAYERs to be the first to find and finish the site and get the goods to the (player vs. player) market.

Even missions include PvP elements since, while it's flagged as yours by default, the loot is available to everyone so you, a PLAYER, has to compete vs. other PLAYERs to get that loot and either reprocess it for use in (player vs. player) industry or sell on the (player vs. player) market. Salvage is just straight up PvP competition to get the goods first, again for (PvP) industry or (PvP) market use.

There would be no ships, because there wouldn't be any reason to produce them. There would be no point in running mission because there would be nothing to spend the ISK on. There would be no point in running incursions or going into WHs because none of the stuff you got would be of any use. Without PvP, EVE would be completely devoid of all activities that makes EVE work.

Again, if you want to see it, go to Singularity and play. See how interesting it is (especially the parts you just mentioned).

No. I said that a noob ship should be able to defeat a billion-ISK ship if flown correctly. Read what is written and stop assuming things.

No. A full rack of smartbombs will do just over 300 DPS. Over 10GÇô15 seconds, this comes out as 3,000GÇô4,500 damage total (in a very small and easily avoidable radius). Now, if you have some better way of fitting a smartbomb BS than filling all the highslots with smartbombs, I'd be very happy to hear it. Oh, and even if your damage output number was true, it would still be silly easy to survive.

You all are assuming the average player can afford billion isk fits.

So while if we flew a hulk or a mack or whatever we'd probably trick them out with neut go into lowsec and kill gankers... Not everyone has the skills, the desire, or the ISK to do it.

I remember that restriction, but that wasn't due to the change in pvp that was due to the overall game changes from the NGE and SONY. But yea Im sure if they took pvp out of EvE at least 50% of the population would leave, but hey, EvE would still march on just like SWG is still Marching on. (And still has people playing it).

1. Your trolling on this reply. PvP is PLAYER vs PLAYER. Everything except "PLAYER combat ya know where you gank or fight another player Hence the PLAYER VS PLAYER" is PVE/Industry.

3. You stated your noob ship could defeat a Billion isk fit BS, I offered you an easy ech 1 fitting and apparently you KNOW for a fact that a noob ship can't beat "even" that, so how does your example have any weight? It doesn't.

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s the real-est emotion I have ever had in a video game. I'm hooked.

I will also say that I have no sympathy for a miner that goes out with no tank, low or hisec

That being said though I do think Concord does need a bit of tweaking if highsec is declared to be a secure area. I'd like to see an actual CCP dev post on what their intentions of HS is though, not opinions on people, but a post from someone who designed the systems/game itself. My opinion is HS is supposed to be generally "SAFER". Without any guarantees.

Since when is Highsec supposed to be secure?

The obvious answer?

When people realized the the only threat posed to them in hi sec was other players.


Let's think about this for a second.
If players aren't a threat to a hi sec miner, what is?

You failed to notice Eve's population has continually increased, except after that Incarna fiasco but it's recovering from that, and all signs form the past point to that trend continuing

Actually, there's a sharp decline in server population following Inferno, if you actually look at server graph instead of making assumptions. The last decline was following the Aur fiasco.

Since your post is an obvious hidden assumption that a bunch of players quit, for whatever reason, I'd like to make one as well.


The new unified inventory broke a bunch of bot programs. Obviously just an assumption.

Or like every year, summer time is here and there is a dip in activety, not a loss in subscribers.



PS: Your statement doesn't say **** about subscriptions.