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robocop152	Posted - 2009.08.25 22:00:00 - [1] Ok moan at me all u want for saying this, but the fact these people show up and can steel all ur salvage is completely out of order. I do all the work killing all my mission targets then some lazy thief just shows up and steels it is wrong. I don't pvp or mine so this is my only game income. I think they should stop people being about to scan out and steel from mission area's. Please guys in charge change this as its got to the point where I am getting raided every mission. And please don't people bother posting with the "this an't the right game for u blaa blaa blaa". I love eve except this one part. Sorry my 1st post is a moan.
Nika Dekaia	Posted - 2009.08.25 22:07:00 - [2] Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 25/08/2009 22:15:51 Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 25/08/2009 22:15:30 Just move out of that mission hub. Been doing missions for 3 years, never had someone raiding my mission. Other than that: now that you have started posting it's time to quit doing it and look some pages back for one of those 42434525467854 threads about ninja looters and read at least one of them. It's an intended mechanic and won't change. Peroid. There are ways to deal with it. Do it or suck it up. But stop whining on the forum. EDIT: First page of the Mission & Complexes Subforum. 10 pages. Read it. Linkage
Re'taka Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.08.25 22:08:00 - [3] Mate I hate to point it out to you, and Im sure others will prove what Im saying, but CCP said it themselves, it is impossible for someone to steal "YOUR" salvage, and until its in your hold, its not yours, its anyone's and thats CCP's take on the matter, they have posted quite a few times on this. Im sorry if you dont like that, but thats really not anyones problem but yours.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.08.25 22:09:00 - [4] Yeah, they should remove wreck ownership completely so that people no longer (wrongly) feel entitled to it. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Mike C Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.08.25 22:51:00 - [5] Its not stealing, its not yours. Deal with it, you are wrong. __________________________________________________ Originally by: Mike C Trolls - We keep Humanity alive... and kicking...
Garthran Gallente CINDER INDUSTRIALS United Outworlders	Posted - 2009.08.25 22:55:00 - [6] Originally by: robocop152 Ok moan at me all u want for saying this, but the fact these people show up and can steel all ur salvage is completely out of order. I do all the work killing all my mission targets then some lazy thief just shows up and steels it is wrong. I don't pvp or mine so this is my only game income. I think they should stop people being about to scan out and steel from mission area's. Please guys in charge change this as its got to the point where I am getting raided every mission. And please don't people bother posting with the "this an't the right game for u blaa blaa blaa". I love eve except this one part. Sorry my 1st post is a moan. If you're getting raided every mission, I'd call that harassment and suggest you petition it. However, I believe you're exaggerating, and I agree with the others here- move out of the mission hub or deal with it. ------------------------------------------------ Suicide drones?
Metalcali Dreams In Digital	Posted - 2009.08.25 23:04:00 - [7] Been posted before, and I'm sure you'll love this one OP, along with anyone else who doesn't like ninja salvagers, make salvaging free open wrecks a flagged offense. With this, when you fire on the ninja, his corp or gang will then warp in and destroy your ship, or your corp will warp in and when you just wanted to do some easy missions for isk and salvage, you'll be engaged in a nice little war that will take your time away from doing missions. Really, which would be the easier path for you in the long run? --- Originally by: CCP Mitnal Locked. OP does not contain an idea.
Nub Sauce	Posted - 2009.08.25 23:10:00 - [8] Originally by: robocop152 Ok moan at me all u want for saying this, but the fact these people show up and can steel all ur salvage is completely out of order. I do all the work killing all my mission targets then some lazy thief just shows up and steels it is wrong. I don't pvp or mine so this is my only game income. I think they should stop people being about to scan out and steel from mission area's. Please guys in charge change this as its got to the point where I am getting raided every mission. And please don't people bother posting with the "this an't the right game for u blaa blaa blaa". I love eve except this one part. Sorry my 1st post is a moan. One time I got salvage jacked... I then never ran missions in that hub again. I've also never had my missions invaded again. Just don't mission int he popular systems. Problem solved.
robocop152	Posted - 2009.08.25 23:18:00 - [9] Just as I though u all give it the "its not urs" stuff then fine if u wanna play it that way under law salvage belongs to the 1st person that finds it, and being as I was the one that killed the NPC's, that means I found it 1st so it is mine. The fact that u all prolly do it to means u'll say whatever makes u feel less of a thief.
Metalcali Dreams In Digital	Posted - 2009.08.25 23:26:00 - [10] Originally by: robocop152 Just as I though u all give it the "its not urs" stuff then fine if u wanna play it that way under law salvage belongs to the 1st person that finds it, and being as I was the one that killed the NPC's, that means I found it 1st so it is mine. The fact that u all prolly do it to means u'll say whatever makes u feel less of a thief. You found the wreck, not the salvaged product that the wreck becomes when it enters your cargo hold . Many people wouldn't mind being called a thief, but when the people who make the game you are willing to pay for say it isn't theft, well it's really hard to argue otherwise. Again, would you prefer to have the "thieves" flagged for theft so you can fire on them? That would make you happy when those gangs warp in and then destroy your ship in a 10 vs 1 fight --- Originally by: CCP Mitnal Locked. OP does not contain an idea.
Nika Dekaia	Posted - 2009.08.25 23:39:00 - [11] Originally by: robocop152 Just as I though u all give it the "its not urs" stuff then fine if u wanna play it that way under law salvage belongs to the 1st person that finds it, and being as I was the one that killed the NPC's, that means I found it 1st so it is mine. The fact that u all prolly do it to means u'll say whatever makes u feel less of a thief. That's like flying into a roid belt and claiming all roids for yourself 'cause you saw them first.
OrcephDrake	Posted - 2009.08.25 23:49:00 - [12] Edited by: OrcephDrake on 25/08/2009 23:49:31 Robocop man... i feel for u but I have been playing this game for over 3 years actually.. frak i dont know hwo long.. Never mind the point is i dont have that happen to me. Its because I pick agents further away from the main mission hub areas. Dont run mission around high populated areas ones u start doing like lvl 3 and above. Cuz seriously I am annoyed by the idea too but it happens.. it sucks... its the way it is.. CCP wont change it. I am not saying its not rightfully ours.. i am not saying u suck.. and i am not saying pirates are better then ninjas.. just dont get mad just listen.. move away! Think about all those poor lonely lvl 4 agents out there all alone... hey you! out there all alone.. in the cold.. can u feel me!!!!!!!!!! OH wait what. I think i got the lyrics wrong.. dam!
Gin G Halls Of Valhalla	Posted - 2009.08.26 00:20:00 - [13] 1 salvage dosnt belong tyo you 2 read the dev responses to it 3 also read where it tells you the server dosnt recinose the salvage as yours untill its in YOUR hold 4 do some reserch before you come here and cryu your little eyes out 5 locator agent will run tomorrow and no doubt by posting this here ninjas will be coming for you Please refrain from editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Paul Clavet Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.08.26 00:25:00 - [14] Originally by: robocop152 I do all the work killing all my mission targets then some lazy thief just shows up and steels it is wrong. Hey! Who the hell are you calling lazy? I work very hard at my chosen profession! Per CCP Mitnal: Originally by: CCP Mitnal "Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing." Per GM Faolchu : Originally by: GM Faolchu Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage. Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up. Per Senior GM Ytterbium : Originally by: GM Ytterbium Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit. Per CCP Prism X : Originally by: CCP Prism X Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing. (These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.) ---- Suddenly Ninjas Blog: My Loot, Your Tears
Izztyrr Maemtor Caldari Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.08.26 01:22:00 - [15] Originally by: robocop152 these people show up and can steel all ur salvage The correct spelling would be "steal" and "your". Originally by: robocop152 then some lazy thief just shows up and steels You can only steal something that belongs to someone else. Since wrecks belong to no one. You can't steal them. Originally by: robocop152 I don't pvp EvE is a PvP game. Originally by: robocop152 And please don't people bother posting with the "this an't the right game for u blaa blaa blaa". I won't but that doesn't make it any less true.
El Liptonez	Posted - 2009.08.26 02:01:00 - [16] Oh hey, thought you might wanna read this. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1143161 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1140081 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1128088 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1136730 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1120748 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1116980 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1115347 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1115497 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1092372 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1115121 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1115359 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1114874 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1115387 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1092372 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1138530 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1067174 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1122548 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1113790 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1109936 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1145299 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1146536 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1147386 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1149102
AtheistOfDoom Amarr The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.08.26 02:21:00 - [17] Originally by: El Liptonez Oh hey, thought you might wanna read this. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1143161 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1140081 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1128088 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1136730 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1120748 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1116980 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1115347 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1115497 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1092372 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1115121 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1115359 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1114874 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1115387 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1092372 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1138530 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1067174 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1122548 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1113790 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1109936 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1145299 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1146536 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1147386 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1149102 Pew Pew Lazorz!!!
Barrus Inane	Posted - 2009.08.26 02:35:00 - [18] I am sure there is somewhere in there about my idea of salvage rights in all those links. And yeah, eve is a pvp world. I would love to get into a little mini war over salvage. Would be fun! Either way, they should just program in salvage rights to the grid system. If owner is on grid, salvaging is a flag, they have claimant over it. Should they leave, first to claim get's it, and all corresponding modules, jet cans, etc floating on grid unsecured too as it is abandoned. Make the salvaging a flag, make leaving so that jet cans are not a flag. Both sides win.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.08.26 03:07:00 - [19] Originally by: Barrus Inane I am sure there is somewhere in there about my idea of salvage rights in all those links. I thought it would be a link of posts by CCP representatives that state quite clearly that salvaging in not theft.. The stuff IN the wreck is yours (I disagree that rat loot and player loot is treated differently) but the wreck its self isn't.
robocop152	Posted - 2009.08.26 03:09:00 - [20] 1st off what does it matter how i spell things pritty sad to pick on that but hay. 2nd eve is not just a pvp if it were there would be no NPC rats or agents. I really don't see the point in posting here as most of u just seem to post to be nasty which is fine for most but not for me. I won't be back.
Metalcali Dreams In Digital	Posted - 2009.08.26 03:13:00 - [21] Originally by: robocop152 1st off what does it matter how i spell things pritty sad to pick on that but hay. 2nd eve is not just a pvp if it were there would be no NPC rats or agents. I really don't see the point in posting here as most of u just seem to post to be nasty which is fine for most but not for me. I won't be back. Most likely you will, and you still haven't answered the biggest question, if wrecks become flagged, would you really want corps warping in to kill your mission running ship because you wanted a chance to attack them? --- Originally by: CCP Mitnal Locked. OP does not contain an idea.
Izztyrr Maemtor Caldari Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.08.26 04:35:00 - [22] Originally by: robocop152 I won't be back. can i haz ur stuffz?
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.08.26 04:39:00 - [23] Steel salvage > wooden salvage, c/d?
Barrus Inane	Posted - 2009.08.26 05:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Lana Torrin I thought it would be a link of posts by CCP representatives that state quite clearly that salvaging in not theft.. The stuff IN the wreck is yours (I disagree that rat loot and player loot is treated differently) but the wreck its self isn't. I know what they say, it is called... Development! Doomsday used to be able to launch as a cyno attack. Nano's used to make battleships hit 3km/s. There used to be mines, etc. etc. etc. This is development forums. IMO the current salvage policy goes against everything imo that is eve. It is by far the wussiest, lamest and easist way to make isk in the game. All you need is a T1 frigate, a salvager and scan probe. Like one day of training and the lamest noob with access to the internet can make millions without risk. Seems to me to go against ccp's much lauded risk/reward. Lets add some more risk to it, but maybe up the rewards too. You leave grid, it is abandoned, you on grid, it is yours. Wreck and everything on it. Seems simple enough to me.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.08.26 06:09:00 - [25] Originally by: Barrus Inane Originally by: Lana Torrin I thought it would be a link of posts by CCP representatives that state quite clearly that salvaging in not theft.. The stuff IN the wreck is yours (I disagree that rat loot and player loot is treated differently) but the wreck its self isn't. I know what they say, it is called... Development! Doomsday used to be able to launch as a cyno attack. Nano's used to make battleships hit 3km/s. There used to be mines, etc. etc. etc. This is development forums. IMO the current salvage policy goes against everything imo that is eve. It is by far the wussiest, lamest and easist way to make isk in the game. All you need is a T1 frigate, a salvager and scan probe. Like one day of training and the lamest noob with access to the internet can make millions without risk. Seems to me to go against ccp's much lauded risk/reward. Lets add some more risk to it, but maybe up the rewards too. You leave grid, it is abandoned, you on grid, it is yours. Wreck and everything on it. Seems simple enough to me. Well I've been on both end of this and I can say its about the same risk as mission running... ie, close to none. The biggest problem with changing the system is the unexpected consequences. I'll take player loot as an example. It USED to belong to the killing party, but this was changed to belong to the party that owned it originally (ie, ownership didn't change just because you went pop). This was changed because people kept getting suicide in highsec and complained that they had to steal their own stuff from their own wreck to get it back.. This would give them a criminal flag to the person that suicided them originally, meaning they were more than likely popped again. Now what happens is that you have a station fight, one of you looses and then a million rats descend on the wreck and pick it dry before the winner can get within 10km of it. 99 times out of 100 the loosers pod it still sitting in the wreck when this happens, so he doesn't have a chance to defend his stuff. So it went from the winner taking the spoils of the fight to some random person that happened to be near by taking the spoils because the winner wont get agro to them and the looser that DOES get agro cant do anything about it. So I'll let you take three guesses at what will happen if salvaging gives agro..
Markus Reese Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.26 06:15:00 - [26] Yeah, if salvage gives agro, people might shoot back and get shot for it. They have the choice to get shot, you will get the same whining as you get with can flippers. But then, you will also get baitings as well, etc. Myself, I am just throwing suggestions out as I rarely/if ever get ninja problems, cannot remember the last time I ran into one. True, missions aren't that high risk, but it again comes down to skills and investment. What would happen if I tried running a lvl 4 on my first week in eve solo? Now why should salvaging yield same reward as l4 bounties with a zero risk? Just throwing out ideas is all.
Elrinarie Gallente Northern Lights Industries	Posted - 2009.08.26 07:24:00 - [27] this would be much less of a problem if CCP would allow missions to be ran from any system /shrug --------------------- Creator of another Mining Calculator
Commander Ogir	Posted - 2009.08.26 08:52:00 - [28] They should just allow us to blast the ninja s****out of the sky. Just like can flipping. Can't be they take my earned wreck for nothing.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.26 08:53:00 - [29] Originally by: robocop152 Ok moan at me all u want for saying this, but the fact these people show up and can steel all ur salvage is completely out of order. I do all the work killing all my mission targets then some lazy thief just shows up and steels it is wrong. I don't pvp or mine so this is my only game income. I think they should stop people being about to scan out and steel from mission area's. Please guys in charge change this as its got to the point where I am getting raided every mission. And please don't people bother posting with the "this an't the right game for u blaa blaa blaa". I love eve except this one part. Sorry my 1st post is a moan. WOW is that way --> Seriouldy, you fail at EVE if you moan and whine about this. Salvaging is by deenition trash, anyone if free to salvage it. Its not "yours". "I don't pvp or mine so this is my only game income." Then you are stupid for not being abel to protect your income. Salvagin alt? Salvage on the go? Doing missions away from hubs? Making you harder to scan out? Lot of other ways as well. You are just a lazy whiny douchbag. EVE is not supposed to be a walk in the park while eating cake. EVE is harsh and there exist competition. Deal with it, or take the concequences if you can not! I for one play it mart when missioning (on my mission alt), I have never had a ninja salvager in my mission, ever. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc	Posted - 2009.08.26 08:57:00 - [30] Quote: Just as I though u all give it the "its not urs" stuff then fine if u wanna play it that way under law salvage belongs to the 1st person that finds it, and being as I was the one that killed the NPC's, that means I found it 1st so it is mine. The fact that u all prolly do it to means u'll say whatever makes u feel less of a thief. You couldn't be more wrong. The first person to 'salvage' it is the owner. If you are going to come here crying and moaning at least get your facts right. There are many ways to avoid having someone salvage your mission, but it sounds like you dont want to try and find any of them out. You just want the game changed to suit you. Seriously, at least try or you could always uninstall EVE and.... well I think you know where to go! ------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------

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