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Auspels
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Posted - 2009.08.27 04:24:00 -
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Edited by: Auspels on 27/08/2009 04:26:13
Can a repair bot repair it's own "mother ship"?
If yes, how is it done?
If no, ROFL.
How Drones work (or don't work):
Five fire engines leave from their station to put out a fire consuming a building in the east block of the city; the engines return to their own fire station in flames.
One fire engine calls to another returning engine and asks, "Hey, should we put out the fire in our station?"
To which the other engine replies, "Nah, call South station, let them deal with it; or just let it burn, we'll find another station. We're tired."
I'm not looking for a debate on this topic, I just want to know if they can do it. Light hearted comments may be appreciated.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.08.27 04:27:00 -
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Edited by: NoNah on 27/08/2009 04:28:15
No, they need a target, you can't target yourself.
There's tons of ways to explain why this won't work, simplest way would be to say yeah, any pilot competent enough to target himself can do it. Are you incompetent?
Parrots, commence!
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.27 04:34:00 -
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Cool story.
Do you realy want the domi to have 5 large rep drones repairing itself? Can you say OP?
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
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Auspels
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Posted - 2009.08.27 04:34:00 -
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There's tons of ways to explain why this won't work, simplest way would be to say yeah, any pilot competent enough to target himself can do it. Are you incompetent?
No, but I can target a friendly. Are you saying that if I tell the drones to assist my friendly target, that by the friendly firing on me, they in turn would assist by repairing my ship?
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.27 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Auspels
Edited by: Auspels on 27/08/2009 04:38:18
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There's tons of ways to explain why this won't work, simplest way would be to say yeah, any pilot competent enough to target himself can do it. Are you incompetent?
No, but I can target a friendly. Are you saying that if I tell the drones to assist my friendly target, that by the friendly firing on me, they in turn would assist by repairing my ship?
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Do you realy want the domi to have 5 large rep drones repairing itself? Can you say OP?
Sure, drones can be targeted and destroyed. At least that's not five large drones attacking me. They're trading attack for defense.
No.
They get suddenly thousands of grid that they can fit GUNS instead. The domi does get a gun bonus too you realize.
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
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Auspels
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Posted - 2009.08.27 04:42:00 -
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Edited by: Auspels on 27/08/2009 04:43:59
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No.
They get suddenly thousands of grid that they can fit GUNS instead. The domi does get a gun bonus too you realize.
There is still a trade off. What guns go in mid-slot and low-slot again?
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Auspels
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Posted - 2009.08.27 04:43:00 -
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Edited by: Auspels on 27/08/2009 04:43:39
>>duplicate<<
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.27 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Auspels
Edited by: Auspels on 27/08/2009 04:43:59
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No.
They get suddenly thousands of grid that they can fit GUNS instead. The domi does get a gun bonus too you realize.
There is still a trade off. What guns go in mid-slot and low-slot again?
What? Lowslots get more tank.. Or cap. You ever thought about a neut-domi that doesnt need cap to repair its epic buffer, or for that matter a switch of fittings?
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
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Auspels
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Posted - 2009.08.27 04:48:00 -
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Edited by: Auspels on 27/08/2009 04:53:11
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No.
They get suddenly thousands of grid that they can fit GUNS instead. The domi does get a gun bonus too you realize.
There is still a trade off. What guns go in mid-slot and low-slot again?
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What? Lowslots get more tank.. Or cap. You ever thought about a neut-domi that doesnt need cap to repair its epic buffer, or for that matter a switch of fittings?
You capitalized GUNS. I thought you meant GUNS. You emphasized GUNS. Did you mean GUNS, or did you mean something else?
And what's your fixation on the Dominix anyway? Is it special somehow over other battleships?
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.27 04:55:00 -
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mah bad. to me, a gun is any hostile device fitted on your ship, or yourself. /me flexes see them guns? neither do i.
But really, your standard dual rep neut domi could instead fit more neuts, or more somethingoranother, i just dont fly domis.
i use that as an example because it has the biggest non-cap drone bay
Originally by: Akita T
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Auspels
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Posted - 2009.08.27 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
mah bad. to me, a gun is any hostile device fitted on your ship, or yourself. /me flexes see them guns? neither do i.
But really, your standard dual rep neut domi could instead fit more neuts, or more somethingoranother, i just dont fly domis.
i use that as an example because it has the biggest non-cap drone bay
Fair enough, but where does that leave a logistics ship in a fleet where it's come under attack by said Domi and must repair itself fast, or suffer death.
There is still a trade-off. 5 repair drones = 1 shield booster or armor repair module. It's kind of "Even Steven". But if they're using repair drones instead of heavy attack drones, that's still less DPS they're doing.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.08.27 05:04:00 -
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Domi isn't the issue here, it's boats like the geddon and mega that are. Or even the hyperion and even more so the ishkur. Would it hurt the game badly? No. Would it do much for the game? No.
Much better things to prioritize and rage over than features that are... indifferent.
Yes, if you could set your drones to assist a friend in repping whatever he reps, you could sip your own drones onto yourself. Sadly there's no interface for making your drones do that, hence point is moot. (or if you prefer, yes, a competent pilot could set his drones to assist and have a friend rep him to get his own drones to rep him. Are you incompetent?)
Parrots, commence!
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Cygwin Gaad
Caldari
The Element Syndicate
Black Mesa Project
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Posted - 2009.08.27 05:05:00 -
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something i guess i could try. repair drones "Assist squadmate"
squadmate targets me and tells his drones to repair me
all 10 drones rep me?
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.08.27 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cygwin Gaad
something i guess i could try. repair drones "Assist squadmate"
squadmate targets me and tells his drones to repair me
all 10 drones rep me?
Assist doesn't work that way.
Parrots, commence!
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Auspels
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Posted - 2009.08.27 05:10:00 -
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Edited by: Auspels on 27/08/2009 05:15:21
Edited by: Auspels on 27/08/2009 05:12:56
Originally by: NoNah
Assist doesn't work that way.
Originally by: NoNah
No, they need a target, you can't target yourself.
But your friends can target you, and you can tell your drones to assist. So yes, it's supposed to work that way.
You said so yourself.
Originally by: NoNah
Are you incompetent?
Originally by: NoNah
Would it hurt the game badly? No. Would it do much for the game? No.
Much better things to prioritize and rage over than features that are... indifferent.
You just looked in the mirror. :P
Thank you for your OPINIONS sir. :P
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.08.27 05:34:00 -
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No, I didn't say so myself. I never said assisiting meant go repair whatever [Target] targets. If you set drones to assist a corpmate they won't go make him coffee either, even if the player can do it or could use some help with it. It's entirely unrelated.
Parrots, commence!
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Auspels
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Posted - 2009.08.27 06:12:00 -
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Edited by: Auspels on 27/08/2009 06:13:12
Originally by: NoNah
No, I didn't say so myself.
Yes you did. A few posts ^^. You said the following, when asked if drones can repair their own "mothership":
Originally by: NoNah
No, they need a target, you can't target yourself... Are you incompetent?
They have a target if they're assisting a friendly that has the drone's "mothership" as a target, and said drone "mothership" is attacked, repaired, or otherwise engaged. You did in fact, say so yourself. So there. =)
But it's fine, we all know it doesn't work that way.
And we all know... in no way will repair drones help their own "mothership".
Of course, this may solve the mystery of why there's so many rogue drones in Empire space. They all lost their "mothership" because they couldn't repair them. Plus all the other drones we accidentally left out there to rot. >=)
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Conrad Lionhart
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Posted - 2009.08.27 06:43:00 -
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Edited by: Conrad Lionhart on 27/08/2009 06:44:11
I understand balance issues, but yes I find it a bit silly that your drones can repair other ships, but cannot repair your own ship. There is no logical explanation for this. My own ship is also a ship.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2009.08.27 07:25:00 -
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If they introduced a way to target yourself, how long do you think it would take until somebody blows themselves up and whines all over the forums about it?
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Posted - 2009.08.27 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Conrad Lionhart
Edited by: Conrad Lionhart on 27/08/2009 06:44:11
I understand balance issues, but yes I find it a bit silly that your drones can repair other ships, but cannot repair your own ship. There is no logical explanation for this. My own ship is also a ship.
You say you understand balance issues but then you say something that makes it sound like you don't.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.08.27 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Auspels
Edited by: Auspels on 27/08/2009 06:20:48
Originally by: NoNah
No, I didn't say so myself.
Yes you did. A few posts ^^. You said the following, when asked if drones can repair their own "mothership":
Originally by: NoNah
No, they need a target, you can't target yourself... Are you incompetent?
They have a target if they're assisting a friendly that has the drone's "mothership" as a target, and said drone "mothership" is attacked, repaired, or otherwise engaged. You did in fact, say so yourself. So there. =)
But it's fine, we all know it doesn't work that way (unless someone knows different, please say so!).
And we all know... in no way will repair drones help their own "mothership".
Of course, this may solve the mystery of why there's so many rogue drones in Empire space. They all lost their "mothership" because they couldn't repair them. Plus all the other drones we accidentally left out there to rot. >=)
I guess the problem here is the confusion betwen target and target lock. When you're locking someone you have a target before your targeting systems have targeted the target, or there would be nothing to target. What should've been said in first post is that you need a targetlock, you can't targetlock yourself.
Also that is an absolute misquote.
Regarding the lost drones, I have a feeling the majority in highsec empire come from missionrunners forgetting or neglecting to scoop drones when they warp out. I know I did alot when running missions in a domi, it's often worth going back to grab them, but if there's a couple of gates and you don't have anything setup to fetch them.... effort.
Parrots, commence!
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.27 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Auspels
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No.
They get suddenly thousands of grid that they can fit GUNS instead. The domi does get a gun bonus too you realize.
There is still a trade off. What guns go in mid-slot and low-slot again?
Tracking computers, tracking enhancers, target painters, webs, magstabs. They may not be guns, as such, but they give the existing guns MOAR DAKKA… so the effect is much the same.
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Auspels
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Posted - 2009.08.27 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Auspels on 27/08/2009 17:21:59
Originally by: Conrad Lionhart
... yes I find it a bit silly that your drones can repair other ships, but cannot repair your own ship. There is no logical explanation for this. My own ship is also a ship.
I agree 100%.
If I ever personally build a repair drone IRL (or in a game), I'm going to make sure it can repair its own "mothership". This is just programming/engineering oversight to me. Much like the fact our ships are built to not go in reverse. But that's another thread. =)
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Flex Nebura
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.27 19:47:00 -
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You used to be able to get your drones to target you. Much to the enjoyment of anyone around to see it.
If you smartbombed or otherwise attacked your drones they would turn on you. I know of a few cases where someone suddenly lost their ship that way, because they paniced and didnt think to scoop their drones.
Never got to test if it would work for repair drones before they changed it so your drones wouldnt target you.
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