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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:35:00 -
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nullEBANK Criminal Charges
The Citizens of New Eden vs. EBANK and CCP
CHARGES
- Embezzlement and Theft
- Wire Fraud
- Bank Fraud
- Conspiracy to Defraud
- Money Laundry
DEFENDENTS CCP and EBANK Employees
- Ricdic
- Hexxx
- Athre
- LaVista Vista
- Mr. Horizontal
- SencneS
- Sentry Raven
- Shar Tegral
- Proton Power
- Ray McCormack
Without a doubt, there is ample evidence to prosecute those responsible for the collapse of EBANK and subsequent lost of funds. Furthermore, CCP actions resulted in the loss of Billions to EBANK customers. As a whole, everyone involve and responsible should be liable and paid back the loss to EBANK customers.
FORFEITURE 9,963,023,961,104 ISK
The current plans to continue EBANKÆs operations and decision to keep customers ISK are nothing but a new tactic to prolong this fraud scheme.
IÆm looking for peopleÆs support to prosecute those responsible for the lost of Trillions of ISK.
Affected parties should filled out the Class Action Form.
Any lawyer interested? Any thoughts?
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:35:00 -
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:40:00 -
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Is this a joke?
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista Is this a joke?
No
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Kateryne
Minmatar Nisaba Syndicate New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista Is this a joke?
I second that...
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Carine Parnasse
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:43:00 -
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Im sorry that you didnt pay attention in MD orientation, but rule 1 is:
Do NOT invest what you cannot afford to lose.
Also, you'd better be a troll, you cant go around doing things like that. CCP is in no way responsible for the conduct of players, and as long as the rules are followed they have no reason to interfere. They didnt steal any money, you gave it to them under a nonbinding promise that they would return it + intrest.
Next time, just keep your own money safe. Or go back to WOW
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:45:00 -
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Are you suggesting that people should support class action over something that belongs to CCP?
Please tell me that you are just trying to stir up drama. Otherwise, it's rather delusional. You are also suggesting that people who had nothing to do with the disappearence of the ISK should be charged.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:47:00 -
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Actually, on the other hand, a lawsuit about this would be EXTREMELY interesting in order to establish the actual enforcability of the EVE EULA.
I say do it.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:47:00 -
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Wait, what?
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Gentileman
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Block Ukx nullEBANK Criminal Charges
The Citizens of New Eden vs. EBANK and CCP
CHARGES
- Embezzlement and Theft
- Wire Fraud
- Bank Fraud
- Conspiracy to Defraud
- Money Laundry
DEFENDENTS CCP and EBANK Employees
- Ricdic
- Hexxx
- Athre
- LaVista Vista
- Mr. Horizontal
- SencneS
- Sentry Raven
- Shar Tegral
- Proton Power
- Ray McCormack
Without a doubt, there is ample evidence to prosecute those responsible for the collapse of EBANK and subsequent lost of funds. Furthermore, CCP actions resulted in the loss of Billions to EBANK customers. As a whole, everyone involve and responsible should be liable and paid back the loss to EBANK customers.
FORFEITURE 9,963,023,961,104 ISK
The current plans to continue EBANKÆs operations and decision to keep customers ISK are nothing but a new tactic to prolong this fraud scheme.
IÆm looking for peopleÆs support to prosecute those responsible for the lost of Trillions of ISK.
Affected parties should filled out the Class Action Form.
Any lawyer interested? Any thoughts?
YOU MAD!
Son... I am disappoint. This is just going to end up with you looking like an impotent sad little man - EBANK might have knocked you for six by frittering away (not scamming, thsi is pure incompetence, like most 'scams') but you;re just going to make yourself look like a fool.
Get over it bro - Just cause you;re only rich in a game doesn't mean you have to act like it.
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Kyra Neve
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:48:00 -
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Edited by: Kyra Neve on 28/08/2009 15:48:48
Originally by: Carine Parnasse Im sorry that you didnt pay attention in MD orientation, but rule 1 is:
Do NOT invest what you cannot afford to lose.
Also, you'd better be a troll, you cant go around doing things like that. CCP is in no way responsible for the conduct of players, and as long as the rules are followed they have no reason to interfere. They didnt steal any money, you gave it to them under a nonbinding promise that they would return it + intrest.
Next time, just keep your own money safe. Or go back to WOW
Having a bank account isn't a real investment. And after all the ebank was just big fat ass scam like many have predicted in the past, ebank related ppl have zero respect left.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista Are you suggesting that people should support class action over something that belongs to CCP?
Criminal in-game charges. I'm not talking about an outside lawsuit, but rather a law suit by the people of New Eden.
Originally by: LaVista Vista
You are also suggesting that people who had nothing to do with the disappearence of the ISK should be charged.
Only parties that in some form or manner participated or facilitated the Fraud are being charged.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:49:00 -
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I as judge og these procedings, rule ebank and all employees NOT GUILTY..
now move along kids
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:49:00 -
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This is probably a roleplaying thread of some sort. Can we sign up for the holy trinity of judge, jury & executioner somewhere?
Also, aside of the spelling error, I am really curious about the "money laundering" bit, do tell more.
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Ray McCormack
Kisoken Innovations
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:51:00 -
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I plead guilty and would like to plea bargain by turning state witness against Omber Zombie.
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Block Ukx
Only parties that in some form or manner participated or facilitated the Fraud are being charged.
Looks mostly like a list of ex directors / well known associates of E-bank to me, less of a "we know you facilitated the fraud"
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 28/08/2009 15:52:38
Originally by: Block Ukx
Criminal in-game charges. I'm not talking about an outside lawsuit, but rather a law suit by the people of New Eden.
Why are you even mentioning CCP? You know that's not going to get you anywhere, as they will just give you their middlefinger.
Originally by: Block Ukx
Only parties that in some form or manner participated or facilitated the Fraud are being charged.
I suggest that you also involve people who defaulted on their loans then.
EDIT: I filled out the form. I want my 95k back :(
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Gentileman ...(not scamming, thsi is pure incompetence, like most 'scams')...
That would be for a Jury to decided. I have no doubt that a New Eden Grand Jury will find probable cause that a crime was committed.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack I plead guilty and would like to plea bargain by turning state witness against Omber Zombie.
Quoted for future evidence.
Exhibit #1
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Ray McCormack I plead guilty and would like to plea bargain by turning state witness against Omber Zombie.
Quoted for future evidence.
Exhibit #1
To late these procedings are over. You are welcome to plea this verdict.
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Carine Parnasse
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Carine Parnasse on 28/08/2009 15:58:34
Quote: Criminal in-game charges. I'm not talking about an outside lawsuit, but rather a law suit by the people of New Eden.
In what court? The only law is concord, and they dont care what you do with your money.
Quote: "Money laundering is the practice of disguising illegally obtained funds so that they seem legal. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is a key operation of the underground economy."
The funds were legally obtained and havent been laundered in the slightest, nor is there need in eve since the definition of your money is the money in your wallet, regardless of where it came from.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: iP0D Also, aside of the spelling error, I am really curious about the "money laundering" bit, do tell more.
"Money laundering is the practice of disguising illegally obtained funds so that they seem legal. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is a key operation of the underground economy."
Quoted from here.
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Rage Trade
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:59:00 -
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MD is by far the most entretaining part of the eveonline forums atm.
Keep up the good work.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista Why are you even mentioning CCP? You know that's not going to get you anywhere, as they will just give you their middlefinger.
Their action resulted in the loss of customer's ISK. (Theft)
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Carine Parnasse The funds were legally obtained and havent been laundered in the slightest, nor is there need in eve since the definition of your money is the money in your wallet, regardless of where it came from.
I would argue that the funds were obtained as part of the conspiracy to defraud scheme, then use in withdraws and "ventures" to further the scheme.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:05:00 -
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Exhibit #2
Originally by: Ji Sama I as judge og these procedings, rule ebank and all employees NOT GUILTY..
I beleive you are biased and should be removed from any future proceedings.
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: iP0D Also, aside of the spelling error, I am really curious about the "money laundering" bit, do tell more.
"Money laundering is the practice of disguising illegally obtained funds so that they seem legal. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is a key operation of the underground economy."
Quoted from here.
However, is it a crime in the jurisdiction of concord?
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Ray McCormack
Kisoken Innovations
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:08:00 -
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How do you establish the nearly 10 trillion ISK forfeiture?
Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah |
Roguehalo
Caldari RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:09:00 -
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Can I volunteer for jury service please?
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: iP0D Also, aside of the spelling error, I am really curious about the "money laundering" bit, do tell more.
"Money laundering is the practice of disguising illegally obtained funds so that they seem legal. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is a key operation of the underground economy."
Quoted from here.
Ok, taking a bite.
The only sources of illegally acquired isk are those original sources present within the bank and/or acquired sources over time.
You're not suggesting gold sellers or macro idiots have been using ebank with the knowledge of ebank staff, right? Or ISK obtained in historical scams leaked to the general public routed through ebank to end up from one identity to the next?
First case I'm sure CCP keep track. Unholy Rage. Second case, welcome to EVE.
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rhivre
However, is it a crime in the jurisdiction of concord?
I'm sure KIA will give them sanctuary outside of Concord jurisdiction
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rhivre
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: iP0D Also, aside of the spelling error, I am really curious about the "money laundering" bit, do tell more.
"Money laundering is the practice of disguising illegally obtained funds so that they seem legal. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is a key operation of the underground economy."
Quoted from here.
However, is it a crime in the jurisdiction of concord?
The charges are put forward by the citizens of New Eden. Any New Eden citizen should qualify as a juror.
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Irata Skyfire
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:12:00 -
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Taking the EBank case to ... ECourt ?
Or just a clever way to get a list of account holders with their account balances, complete with an estimate of how much you'd have to pay them once trading frozen accounts is enabled by EBank, before the competition does ?
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James Tundra
Gallente Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:13:00 -
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Confirming that I will be receiving ISK.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack How do you establish the nearly 10 trillion ISK forfeiture?
The total funds collected by EBANK are considered part of the scheme to defraud. This is a very standard practice in US law. According to EBANK statistics (website), EBANK collected nearly 10 T ISK.
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Block Ukx
The charges are put forward by the citizens of New Eden. Any New Eden citizen should qualify as a juror.
This is fine, however, the criminal charges have to be relevent in the jurisdiction in which you are bringing the case. And I am not entirely sure where concord stands on this. You cannot bring criminal charges for a law that has not been broken.
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:17:00 -
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Concord has no stance on this. They are imaginary npc entities with only enough brain to rightfully criminally flag people with negative sec status when they are silly enough to go through Concord sovereign space.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Irata Skyfire Taking the EBank case to ... ECourt ?
Or just a clever way to get a list of account holders with their account balances, complete with an estimate of how much you'd have to pay them once trading frozen accounts is enabled by EBank, before the competition does ?
I have no desire to purchase EBANK account and furthering the fraud scheme.
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SentryRaven
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:19:00 -
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I plead guilty, I have been running the forums, helpdesk and bugtracker to help the BoD in running EBANK, which in return allowed me to touch Ray in forbidden places. --------
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Block Ukx
I have no desire to purchase EBANK account and furthering the fraud scheme.
I'll sell you them for cheap. The bulk of it for 20 trillion.
Deal?
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Ray McCormack
Kisoken Innovations
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Block Ukx Without a doubt, there is ample evidence to prosecute those responsible for the collapse of EBANK and subsequent lost of funds.
Where is this evidence?
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Rhivre
Originally by: Block Ukx
The charges are put forward by the citizens of New Eden. Any New Eden citizen should qualify as a juror.
This is fine, however, the criminal charges have to be relevent in the jurisdiction in which you are bringing the case. And I am not entirely sure where concord stands on this. You cannot bring criminal charges for a law that has not been broken.
You bring an interesting question. I don't know the answer.
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:22:00 -
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Alright,
I accuse Ebank and Ebank staff of handling their venture as if it were a virtual adventure in a massively multiplayer online roleplaying game.
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Proton Power
Amarr Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:23:00 -
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Ricdic - Agree, well he did scam 250bil isk. If it was not for this I would disagree, ricdic did tons of work for EBANK while a lot of BOD did nothing.
Hexxx - Agree, he is the one that says its not a public company and they don't have to report anything. See what happens when you dont report.
Athre - Maybe, when I was with EBANK athre did tons of work, and had very little say in what was going on. Not sure how much she has to do with them cutting off funds right now, which is why its a maybe.
LaVista Vista - Agree, he was one of the people that seen the reports I posted below and did nor said nothing on them, this information will be posted next to my name.
Mr. Horizontal - Same as above, but he did ask for reporting and fight for it. We had many disagreemnts on things but he wanted things more public and more reporting.
SencneS - Goes with LaVista.
Sentry Raven - Goes with LaVista.
Shar Tegral - He left Ebank because he seen the problems occuring and told the public about them.
Proton Power - I left Ebank, but what I did do for Ebank made it BILLIONS in isk. Just in the T2 BPO resales they made more than 50bil isk in profit, and this does not include the freighter program I started and handed over to AC, and the t2 building and manipulation I was doing.
I am also the person that about 2mths ago that let everyone know about the scam and defaulted loans.
I am also the person at the time I was in EBANK that kept saying the loans were not working the way they were doing them, I went through and audited and reported who was and was not paying back the loans, and who was going to default, most these posts were ignored, Athre at that time I don't think seen these which is why I say maybe to hers.
Ray McCormack - Disagree
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: iP0D Concord has no stance on this. They are imaginary npc entities with only enough brain to rightfully criminally flag people with negative sec status when they are silly enough to go through Concord sovereign space.
Well in that case, as far as the laws of new eden, there are only 2.
1) Do not fly what you cannot afford to lose - penalty: Loss of said vessel 2) Do not invest that which you cannot afford to lose - Penalty: Loss of aforementioned investment and requirement to shout on the forums.
With a revision to add:
1b) By undocking you consent to someone shooting at you.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Block Ukx Without a doubt, there is ample evidence to prosecute those responsible for the collapse of EBANK and subsequent lost of funds.
Where is this evidence?
The indictment along with the evidence will be presented at a later time to a properly form Grand Jury.
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Leowen
Industrial Giants
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:25:00 -
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Haha brilliant.
The really funny thing is all those jumping to the defence of the perpetrators. Baaaaaa!
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Skyvyr
Caldari House Of BlackStar Semper-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:26:00 -
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This thread delivers.
... but sadly not the customer's isk. -- I often heard the Sky's the limit, sadly I'm broke fairly often. |
Ray McCormack
Kisoken Innovations
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Ray McCormack on 28/08/2009 16:27:59
Originally by: Proton Power the freighter program I started and handed over to AC
That venture and handover was a joke. It made bugger all ISK. AC worked his butt off trying to return 5% on it when it wasn't even possible.
Edit. Not saying it's your fault, but don't claim it as the profit machine it clearly wasn't.
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Proton Power
Amarr Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Proton Power the freighter program I started and handed over to AC
That venture and handover was a joke. It made bugger all ISK. AC worked his butt off trying to return 5% on it when it wasn't even possible.
When it was turned over it was making 5%, over time fregihters dropped in value yes. But I htink all you need is about 2% to cover the isk correct?
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:30:00 -
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Exhibit #3
Originally by: Proton Power Ricdic - Agree, well he did scam 250bil isk. If it was not for this I would disagree, ricdic did tons of work for EBANK while a lot of BOD did nothing.
Hexxx - Agree, he is the one that says its not a public company and they don't have to report anything. See what happens when you dont report.
Athre - Maybe, when I was with EBANK athre did tons of work, and had very little say in what was going on. Not sure how much she has to do with them cutting off funds right now, which is why its a maybe.
LaVista Vista - Agree, he was one of the people that seen the reports I posted below and did nor said nothing on them, this information will be posted next to my name.
Mr. Horizontal - Same as above, but he did ask for reporting and fight for it. We had many disagreemnts on things but he wanted things more public and more reporting.
SencneS - Goes with LaVista.
Sentry Raven - Goes with LaVista.
Shar Tegral - He left Ebank because he seen the problems occuring and told the public about them.
Proton Power - I left Ebank, but what I did do for Ebank made it BILLIONS in isk. Just in the T2 BPO resales they made more than 50bil isk in profit, and this does not include the freighter program I started and handed over to AC, and the t2 building and manipulation I was doing.
I am also the person that about 2mths ago that let everyone know about the scam and defaulted loans.
I am also the person at the time I was in EBANK that kept saying the loans were not working the way they were doing them, I went through and audited and reported who was and was not paying back the loans, and who was going to default, most these posts were ignored, Athre at that time I don't think seen these which is why I say maybe to hers.
Ray McCormack - Disagree
Thanks for your statement.
My argument is that Ray is furthering the Fraud scheme and forcing customers to take a loss they are not responsible for.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:30:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Proton Power
LaVista Vista - Agree, he was one of the people that seen the reports I posted below and did nor said nothing on them, this information will be posted next to my name.
Confirming that I saw tons of reports which I have no idea what were supposed to be about, while working with keeping the website alive and pull logs for tellers on a regular basis.
Wait.. What reports? I'm a sucker for numbers and graphs. Show me the reports!
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:31:00 -
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Exhibit #4
Originally by: Ray McCormack Edited by: Ray McCormack on 28/08/2009 16:27:59
Originally by: Proton Power the freighter program I started and handed over to AC
That venture and handover was a joke. It made bugger all ISK. AC worked his butt off trying to return 5% on it when it wasn't even possible.
Edit. Not saying it's your fault, but don't claim it as the profit machine it clearly wasn't.
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Ray McCormack
Kisoken Innovations
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Block Ukx My argument is that Ray is furthering the Fraud scheme and forcing customers to take a loss they are not responsible for.
I agree. I'm a terrible person and must be stopped.
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Leowen
Industrial Giants
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power ...blah
Proton Power - I left Ebank, but what I did do for Ebank made it BILLIONS in isk. Just in the T2 BPO resales they made more than 50bil isk in profit, and this does not include the freighter program I started and handed over to AC, and the t2 building and manipulation I was doing.
I am also the person that about 2mths ago that let everyone know about the scam and defaulted loans.
I am also the person at the time I was in EBANK that kept saying the loans were not working the way they were doing them, I went through and audited and reported who was and was not paying back the loans, and who was going to default, most these posts were ignored, Athre at that time I don't think seen these which is why I say maybe to hers.
Oooo I think I hear plea bargaining. Interestinger and interestinger. Sign me up for the class action suit. I'll even front some ISKies for the barristers retainer.
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Block Ukx
I am comfortable with answering any allegations of my activities while I was employed by eBank. Any suspicions upon myself are easily removed from review of my public statements. If that is not enough I retained a multitude of exculpatory evidence in the form of a forum backup (Good upto the day I resigned) where my private concerns and worries were effusively displayed. The only time I handled any funds for eBank was when I worked as a teller. A complete and total record of all of those funds are readily available. The only gain I ever got was 500 million isk paid to me post facto for time and services rendered. I am more than comfortable returning these funds to eBank, or receivership, at a moment's notice. While I am surprised that my name should reappear within the drama that is eBank in truth there is only one thing I find disconcerting. You failed to name one prime contributor to the collapse of eBank: Selene D'CelesteDo you perchance have a relationship with this defendant you are covering for? PS: I can be contacted for further discussion either via evemail or SCC channel. I will not indulge your jackassery on these forums any further than I have just done.
See my twitterings about Eve Online. Be the first to hear me toot.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rhivre
Originally by: iP0D
2) Do not invest that which you cannot afford to lose ...
Afford to lose does not mean its ok to commint a crime.
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Proton Power
Amarr Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:36:00 -
[58]
Originally by: HawkBlade
Originally by: Block Ukx
I am comfortable with answering any allegations of my activities while I was employed by eBank. Any suspicions upon myself are easily removed from review of my public statements. If that is not enough I retained a multitude of exculpatory evidence in the form of a forum backup (Good upto the day I resigned) where my private concerns and worries were effusively displayed. The only time I handled any funds for eBank was when I worked as a teller. A complete and total record of all of those funds are readily available. The only gain I ever got was 500 million isk paid to me post facto for time and services rendered. I am more than comfortable returning these funds to eBank, or receivership, at a moment's notice. While I am surprised that my name should reappear within the drama that is eBank in truth there is only one thing I find disconcerting. You failed to name one prime contributor to the collapse of eBank: Selene D'CelesteDo you perchance have a relationship with this defendant you are covering for? PS: I can be contacted for further discussion either via evemail or SCC channel. I will not indulge your jackassery on these forums any further than I have just done.
He actually missed a lot of names, some of which are still on the BOD if not mistaking. I agree you should be cleared of all charges, you tried to tell people including myself about ric, we wouldnt listen.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:36:00 -
[59]
I think there are two names missing in the OP. - Auditing and consulting
Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:37:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Block Ukx on 28/08/2009 16:37:13 Exhibit #5
Originally by: HawkBlade
Originally by: Block Ukx
I am comfortable with answering any allegations of my activities while I was employed by eBank. Any suspicions upon myself are easily removed from review of my public statements. If that is not enough I retained a multitude of exculpatory evidence in the form of a forum backup (Good upto the day I resigned) where my private concerns and worries were effusively displayed. The only time I handled any funds for eBank was when I worked as a teller. A complete and total record of all of those funds are readily available. The only gain I ever got was 500 million isk paid to me post facto for time and services rendered. I am more than comfortable returning these funds to eBank, or receivership, at a moment's notice. While I am surprised that my name should reappear within the drama that is eBank in truth there is only one thing I find disconcerting. You failed to name one prime contributor to the collapse of eBank: Selene D'CelesteDo you perchance have a relationship with this defendant you are covering for? PS: I can be contacted for further discussion either via evemail or SCC channel. I will not indulge your jackassery on these forums any further than I have just done.
Thanks for your statement. The list of targets is not the final one. If there is sufficient evidence to charge additional individuals, then they will be added.
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:37:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Rhivre
Originally by: iP0D
2) Do not invest that which you cannot afford to lose ...
Afford to lose does not mean its ok to commint a crime.
Unfortunately it is only a crime if a law is broken Sir, however, if you can point me to the federation charter where this is specifically named as a crime, any faction will suffice, then I will happily retire :)
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Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:38:00 -
[62]
Okay, and how do you plan to "punish" these people? Wardeccing them?
Seriously, it's virtual money. It's also EVE....nothing like EVE to cause e-drama to a point where someone has to roleplay a lawsuit.
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Crosskeys
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:39:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Gentileman This is just going to end up with you looking like an impotent sad little man ...but you;re just going to make yourself look like a fool.
Toooooo late.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:40:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Crosskeys
Originally by: Gentileman This is just going to end up with you looking like an impotent sad little man ...but you;re just going to make yourself look like a fool.
Toooooo late.
first on page 4
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:42:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Agent Known Okay, and how do you plan to "punish" these people? Wardeccing them?
Seriously, it's virtual money. It's also EVE....nothing like EVE to cause e-drama to a point where someone has to roleplay a lawsuit.
I'm trying to get them prosecuted. It would be to the "Judge" to determine best cause of action regarding punishment.
BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk |
Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:42:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Ji Sama
first on page 4
Quoting Ji Sama for inability to count
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:43:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Crosskeys
Originally by: Gentileman This is just going to end up with you looking like an impotent sad little man ...but you;re just going to make yourself look like a fool.
Toooooo late.
Perhaps, But I believe crimes must have consequences.
BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk |
Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:51:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Rhivre
Originally by: Ji Sama
first on page 4
Quoting Ji Sama for inability to count
quoting rhivre quoting myself!
edit: also first on page 5
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:03:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Block Ukx But I believe crimes must have consequences.
I agree with this but sadly your execution is pretty poorly done. It's dramatastic and makes you once again seemingly relevant but it is a tempest in a teacup. You will effect little effect in the way of results, solutions, or retribution. The only thing you are doing is engaging in more FUD. I think I can say this without risk of contradiction: You had enough credibility with most of the principles that you could've contacted people (at least myself) and received answers. Now, all you are doing is spinning your (and other people's) wheels. Not to mention slandering some faultless people in your unfocused lumbering around. I must re-iterate: Had credibility with me. Your attempt is pathetic and I find your professional-ish demeanor a mockery of the forum and those named. In essence, your fu is weak.
See my twitterings about Eve Online. Be the first to hear me toot.
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Kitchie
Gallente Vikramaditya
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:07:00 -
[70]
If it was possible to effect some kind of court case, it would definitely be interesting but unless you can get all the parties to agree to answer questions "under oath" it's difficult to see how it can progress.
The thing that I'd really like to know is: DBANK was constantly being compared with EBANK and EBANK's standard superior answer was that they had established checks and balances along with divided responsibility. Erm.... Can you tell us a little more about how that worked.
DBANK was 100% Manalapan. Everyone knew that and a one man show was always the biggest risk. Yes, it failed but at least everyone knows why.
I can't see how it will work but I support this action in principal because I'm curious as to who is responsible for fraud, who incompetence, who ignorance and who just laziness. I just feel that what we know so far doesn't add up.
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Kitchie
Gallente Vikramaditya
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:13:00 -
[71]
And Shar, you are right in your analysis about the effectiveness of this but you're in the fortunate position of knowing substantially more about what was going on, and the people involved, than the majority of us.
I'm also fairly certain that, for the sake of avoiding pointlessness, there is a lot more that you could say about the situation than currently is publicly available.
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:22:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Ray McCormack I plead guilty and would like to plea bargain by turning state witness against Omber Zombie.
I plead the 5th ----------------------
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Shoten Kishi
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:23:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Shoten Kishi on 28/08/2009 17:23:48
Originally by: HawkBlade
Originally by: Block Ukx But I believe crimes must have consequences.
I agree with this but sadly your execution is pretty poorly done. It's dramatastic and makes you once again seemingly relevant but it is a tempest in a teacup. You will effect little effect in the way of results, solutions, or retribution. The only thing you are doing is engaging in more FUD. I think I can say this without risk of contradiction: You had enough credibility with most of the principles that you could've contacted people (at least myself) and received answers. Now, all you are doing is spinning your (and other people's) wheels. Not to mention slandering some faultless people in your unfocused lumbering around. I must re-iterate: Had credibility with me. Your attempt is pathetic and I find your professional-ish demeanor a mockery of the forum and those named. In essence, your fu is weak.
I agree in principal with what Block is doing in spirit. I also doubt Block really thinks any real in game 'court proceedings' can come from this post. I think the post is dramatic, and role-playing in style and form.
I do however think, it is having the intended effect of calling people out onto the 'carpet' of the forums, listing 'charges' against those he feels responsible, and starting a dialogue in regards the wrongs he believes were committed.
I also think that there is a case of sorts going on in these forums, the case of public opinion.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:26:00 -
[74]
Im confuddled if this is a huge joke or not.
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:27:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Block Ukx
Perhaps, But I believe crimes must have consequences.
Before you can proceed good Sir, you must first provide evidence of a crime being commited, specifically stating which articles have been breached. Failure to do so may leave you open for a counter-suit for libel, and charges of wasting the courts and law enforcements time. As previously stated, interstellar or faction charters will suffice, however, at this point I feel this cannot be pursued, as you have failed to state which laws you believe the defendents have breached.
There are also several precedents where the outcome has been "working as intended, move along Sir, nothing to see".
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:29:00 -
[76]
May I suggest that we ask for CCP to assemble a jury for fanfest? Beer should be involved, obviously.
Then cheap laughs can be had by everybody.
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:30:00 -
[77]
Originally by: LaVista Vista May I suggest that we ask for CCP to assemble a jury for fanfest? Beer should be involved, obviously.
Then cheap laughs can be had by everybody.
can i be on the jury or do i have to represent ebank? ----------------------
My Blog |
Dear Abby
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:31:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Omber Zombie
Originally by: Ray McCormack I plead guilty and would like to plea bargain by turning state witness against Omber Zombie.
I plead the 5th
Let Me find My special internet Lawyering Pants and hat combo - we will have you cleared of this in no time.
fake edit1: you can't plead the 5th that's American law lets plead the 6mm that's metric right should work for global law.
fake edit 2: when the court is called to order - grab me a cheeseburger - I'm feeling a bit peckish.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:32:00 -
[79]
Edited by: LaVista Vista on 28/08/2009 17:35:05
Originally by: Omber Zombie
Originally by: LaVista Vista May I suggest that we ask for CCP to assemble a jury for fanfest? Beer should be involved, obviously.
Then cheap laughs can be had by everybody.
can i be on the jury or do i have to represent ebank?
I suggest that the jury as made up of CSM2.
EDIT: No, not really CSM3.
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Tre Circuit
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:43:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Dear Abby
fake edit 2: when the court is called to order - grab me a cheeseburger - I'm feeling a bit peckish.
I think Waffles should be served to the jurors and pancakes to the plantiffs and defendants. Only the judge gets to pick what he/she wants.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Kisoken Innovations
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:45:00 -
[81]
I don't know if I should feel lucky or upset about your list of "Defendents".
I do know that trying to eat just about any food with my new braces is a PITA, but I sleep better knowing that they only cost me about 1.3T. The hard part was finding an orthondists that plays Eve. Thanks MD.
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Saehta
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:47:00 -
[82]
You need an ingame court before you can file an ingame charge
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Athre
Minmatar The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2009.08.28 18:38:00 -
[83]
Is this just a crazy joke or are you quite serious?
What exactly is it we broke intentionally?
Concord provides consquenses from suicide gankers not investments of any type. If they did, then I suggest we go back to FURY bank and have them properly liquidate that bank 1st.
Regarding cross filed complaints. Please keep in mind your mineral venture only pays out 60%. If you were any type of a real business man you'd pay out 100% in say 2 to 4 weeks time to give enough space to liquidate stock. You've always billed your venture as a growth fund. While it works well on paper, the realized growth never seems to quite be in hand.
TLDR- Dont throw stones in glass houses.
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.08.28 18:46:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Athre TLDR- Dont throw stones in glass houses.
No need to get that drastic. These forums would be deserted if they followed that rule.
See my twitterings about Eve Online. Be the first to hear me toot.
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.28 18:49:00 -
[85]
Originally by: HawkBlade
No need to get that drastic. These forums would be deserted if they followed that rule.
Sshh....I dont get much chance to get out my wizard hat and robe in Eve, let the nice man continue.
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.08.28 18:58:00 -
[86]
I'd find this alot more intresting and amusing if CCP wern't on the defendants list. I really don't get why they would be (esspecaily if this thing is supposed to be an in game... thing). But then again he included Ray on the list who simply had the misfortune to turn over the rose and find the turd.
Also I don't understand why he presumes to speak on behalf of the citezens of New Eden. I have nothing to do with e-bank how could I possibly file charges against them? Last point is there are 4 empires existant, you'd probably have to file in one of them or all of them. And doubtless those Gallente s****would back you up but thats not saying much.
9/10 Good troll sir, good troll.
Note: Money Laundry? What is that a detergent? -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Khun SP
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:08:00 -
[87]
They will never recognize EBANK is a long-term scam, but it is... 2x chars looking for a 0.0 corp!! |
Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:30:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Athre Is this just a crazy joke or are you quite serious?
What exactly is it we broke intentionally?
I'm quite serious. As described in the OP:
CHARGES
- Embezzlement and Theft
- Wire Fraud
- Bank Fraud
- Conspiracy to Defraud
- Money Laundering
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Redbad
Minmatar Mean Corp Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:31:00 -
[89]
Block got some nice info in this thread through this sharp edged post, that wasn't known yet by me. That is good.
For now: We could make a case and file it here.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:36:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Omber Zombie
Originally by: LaVista Vista May I suggest that we ask for CCP to assemble a jury for fanfest? Beer should be involved, obviously.
Then cheap laughs can be had by everybody.
can i be on the jury or do i have to represent ebank?
You cannot be on the jury because you are an EBANK director. You can represent EBANK if you like.
BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk |
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:37:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Saehta You need an ingame court before you can file an ingame charge
I agree BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk |
Companion Qube
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:39:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Ray McCormack How do you establish the nearly 10 trillion ISK forfeiture?
It's over 9000 million?
I support a good witch burning as much as anyone, but this is just comedy.
*looks at pitchfork* *looks at torch* *lights pitchfork on fire*
RABBLE RABBLE
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:40:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Rhivre on 28/08/2009 19:41:11
Originally by: Block Ukx
I'm quite serious. As described in the OP:
CHARGES
- Embezzlement and Theft
- Wire Fraud
- Bank Fraud
- Conspiracy to Defraud
- Money Laundering
As mentioned in my previous posts, there is no evidence that any of these "offences" are actually in breach of any current regulations. Until such time as any such legislation is detailed, any claims made are tantamount to slander and libel against the parties you cite as defendents.
Please note that my fees for checking interstellar legislation shall be added to any costs in any counter suits that are filed.
As stated before, if any such documentation is provided, then I will be happy to admit my errors.
PS: Buy my reasonably priced items!
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:42:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Jin Nib I'd find this alot more intresting and amusing if CCP wern't on the defendants list. I really don't get why they would be (esspecaily if this thing is supposed to be an in game... thing). But then again he included Ray on the list who simply had the misfortune to turn over the rose and find the turd.
CCP removed ISK that was EBANK's customers. (Theft)
Ray is furthering the Fraud scheme.
Originally by: Jin Nib
Also I don't understand why he presumes to speak on behalf of the citezens of New Eden.
So we should all look away like nothing happened?
BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk |
Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:57:00 -
[95]
Ukx think he is ALL citizens of EVE. When in fact he is nothing but a slave child.... To bad the amarr couldnt manage to keep their pets in a leash...
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:58:00 -
[96]
there are no rules or laws in caldari space that has been broken.
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:03:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Ji Sama there are no rules or laws in caldari space that has been broken.
Can we get a verification on Gallente, Amarrian and Minmatar laws also?
I am inclined to think that the Serpentis, Angel Cartel, Blood Raider, Guristas and Sanshas are fairly neutral on their stance regarding this matter, however, they may even be in favour of any alleged wrongdoing.
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:07:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Block Ukx
CCP removed ISK that was EBANK's customers. (Theft)
Oh?
Quote: Ray is furthering the Fraud scheme.
No he's not. If he were to continue taking investments and continuing to operate at deficit and in short continuing the mess that got EBANK where it is then yes you could include him. But it seems to me that he is the one who discovered the problem exposed the problem and is now trying to deal with the problem.
You see in order to be charged with a crime there should be compeling reason to asume someone has actually commitied one.
Quote:
Originally by: Jin Nib
Also I don't understand why he presumes to speak on behalf of the citezens of New Eden.
So we should all look away like nothing happened?
No, the ones who were actually wronged are the only ones who should be taking action. Secondly I hardly see this as a criminal case, try for a civil one.
The 'law' really doesn't care about giant space scams, and the rest of us merely try and avoid them.
You want payback start blowing their **** up, attack their defaulters. Filing a whine on the forums ain't going to accomplish much. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:09:00 -
[99]
I'm thinking that the people on the list ought to take action against Block for the grief that this class action has caused.
I'll settle for 1.2 trill.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:09:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Ji Sama there are no rules or laws in caldari space that has been broken.
That would be for a Trial Jury to decide.
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:12:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Ji Sama there are no rules or laws in caldari space that has been broken.
That would be for a Trial Jury to decide.
No, you cannot have a trial without having a law being broken.
You cannot go to the expense of assembling a jury, and the court, on the basis of "Well, I think this might be illegal"
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:12:00 -
[102]
there are no jurys in caldari, only corporations and their leaders. we operate by a strict business code. and while ebank is bad business, it is not illegal to run a bad business, the punishment lies in absence of new business ventures, not simple law of the mob. good thing we dont have slaves running our part of space....
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:13:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Jin Nib
The 'law' really doesn't care about giant space scams, and the rest of us merely try and avoid them.
Again, let me stated very clearly. These are in-game criminal charges, not a RL lawsuit.
BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:15:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Jin Nib
The 'law' really doesn't care about giant space scams, and the rest of us merely try and avoid them.
Again, let me stated very clearly. These are in-game farce charges, not a RL lawsuit.
Fixed it for you
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Roguehalo
Caldari RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:17:00 -
[105]
Originally by: LaVista Vista I'm thinking that the people on the list ought to take action against Block for the grief that this class action has caused.
I'll settle for 1.2 trill.
I can remember when you had a big flashy Ebank signature and used to glory in being associated Ebank.
Now ofc you were barely associated with them and obviously had absolutely nothing to do with the loss of 1.2trillion
You are pathetic beyond words
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:17:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Jin Nib on 28/08/2009 20:17:41
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Jin Nib
The 'law' really doesn't care about giant space scams, and the rest of us merely try and avoid them.
Again, let me stated very clearly. These are in-game criminal charges, not a RL lawsuit.
Yeah I am aware of that. I too was referring to in-game. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:19:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Rhivre
No, you cannot have a trial without having a law being broken.
"As a division within the CONCORD the SCC is jointly run by the empires and thus ensures a safe and universally regulated trade environment."
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:23:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Block Ukx
"As a division within the CONCORD the SCC is jointly run by the empires and thus ensures a safe and universally regulated trade environment."
Which regulation was broken?
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:23:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Roguehalo
I can remember when you had a big flashy Ebank signature and used to glory in being associated Ebank.
Now ofc you were barely associated with them and obviously had absolutely nothing to do with the loss of 1.2trillion
You are pathetic beyond words
I thank you for expressing your highly relevant feelings about me.
I'm extremely impressed with your logic about how the lack of an EBANK signature meaning that I now am now barely associated with EBANK. Clearly my talking to EBANK people and posting on the EBANK forum is just an attempt by myself to stay relevant.
Want a hug?
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Fitz VonHeise
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:24:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Block Ukx Without a doubt, there is ample evidence to prosecute those responsible for the collapse of EBANK and subsequent lost of funds. ...
When I first read this I too laughed and said what a nutcase.
But then I thought about it.
At the formation of the Bank there were many well known people from MP who staked their reputation on the fact that this was not going to be a scam and more importantly that they would make sure that their was proper oversight into the operation of EBANK.
They have failed.
As much as I respect all those people listed they did fail. In my business when I make a mistake I make it right. I give people what they ask for and take off part of the cost for the inconvenience.
The people who formed EBANK put their rep on the line and should put their own isk back into EBANK to make up for the losses that should NOT have happened if they had done the proper oversight. Unless they do then no one should take their word from now on for any business transaction or IPO they are a part of.
I know I am going to take flak for this... but MD people used their reputation to get people to put trillions of isk into EBANK. A court case isn't going to go anywhere but all people of EVE should hold these Past Directors responsible till they make good the loses they caused by their lack of control and oversight.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:36:00 -
[111]
This thread is now about kittens (& lavista vista's epeen)
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:45:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Ji Sama This thread is now about kittens (& lavista vista's epeen)
Nuff' said.
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:48:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Ji Sama This thread is now about kittens (& lavista vista's epeen)
As La Vistas legal counsel, I take objection to your comparison of his e-peen to a kitten.
I shall see you in court!
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.28 20:50:00 -
[114]
and i shall see you in court, accused of falsely accusing me of comparing lavistas epeen to a kitten...
also: vista's link is teh broken = fail
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.08.28 21:17:00 -
[115]
just logged in, my take on events:
1. Original BOD, plus additional joining board members hold full responsibilty, except:
Ray (joined after mess, trying to deal with situation) Omber Zombie (same as Ray) Shar tegral (resigned/forced out after he complained about reporting standards and Ricdic's behaviour AC155/PP Responsible for industrial side of EBANK Athre (Teller, and only appointed as Chairman when the other board members tried to run for cover)
2. It is a nice idea that they hold the cash (continue the fraud), and try to work back to 2T. What investors really want is to get as much cash as possible and have EBANK closed.
3. As the company was private make a settlement from the BOD members to contribute a cash settlement. As the company was private all BOD members are either singulurlyy or wholly responsible, meaning whoever has to pay to make up the 1.2T is of no concern. This should include Selene backing EBANK funds with profits from EOH (Eve Online Holdem), or launch as an IPO and inject the proceeds into EBANK as part of settlemet.
4. EBANK should definately close, keeping it open is continuing rubbing all investors in the face.
If Ray agrees to close EBANK, I do believe he will do his best to get the best settlement for all investors.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.28 21:19:00 -
[116]
Originally by: cosmoray just logged in, my take on events:
1. Original BOD, plus additional joining board members hold full responsibilty, except:
Ray (joined after mess, trying to deal with situation) Omber Zombie (same as Ray) Shar tegral (resigned/forced out after he complained about reporting standards and Ricdic's behaviour AC155/PP Responsible for industrial side of EBANK Athre (Teller, and only appointed as Chairman when the other board members tried to run for cover)
2. It is a nice idea that they hold the cash (continue the fraud), and try to work back to 2T. What investors really want is to get as much cash as possible and have EBANK closed.
3. As the company was private make a settlement from the BOD members to contribute a cash settlement. As the company was private all BOD members are either singulurlyy or wholly responsible, meaning whoever has to pay to make up the 1.2T is of no concern. This should include Selene backing EBANK funds with profits from EOH (Eve Online Holdem), or launch as an IPO and inject the proceeds into EBANK as part of settlemet.
4. EBANK should definately close, keeping it open is continuing rubbing all investors in the face.
If Ray agrees to close EBANK, I do believe he will do his best to get the best settlement for all investors.
Tornsoul and *****monger was on the original BoD.
Should they pay up?
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.08.28 21:25:00 -
[117]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: cosmoray just logged in, my take on events:
1. Original BOD, plus additional joining board members hold full responsibilty, except:
Ray (joined after mess, trying to deal with situation) Omber Zombie (same as Ray) Shar tegral (resigned/forced out after he complained about reporting standards and Ricdic's behaviour AC155/PP Responsible for industrial side of EBANK Athre (Teller, and only appointed as Chairman when the other board members tried to run for cover)
2. It is a nice idea that they hold the cash (continue the fraud), and try to work back to 2T. What investors really want is to get as much cash as possible and have EBANK closed.
3. As the company was private make a settlement from the BOD members to contribute a cash settlement. As the company was private all BOD members are either singulurlyy or wholly responsible, meaning whoever has to pay to make up the 1.2T is of no concern. This should include Selene backing EBANK funds with profits from EOH (Eve Online Holdem), or launch as an IPO and inject the proceeds into EBANK as part of settlemet.
4. EBANK should definately close, keeping it open is continuing rubbing all investors in the face.
If Ray agrees to close EBANK, I do believe he will do his best to get the best settlement for all investors.
Tornsoul and *****monger was on the original BoD.
Should they pay up?
If they were part of the BOD, then yes. All board members should be added to the thieves of Eve list.
It was a private institution, and you all perpitrated the biggest SCAM in Eve history, there should be no hiding
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.28 21:38:00 -
[118]
Quote: If they were part of the BOD, then yes.
They were, like for a full month. Never actually ever posted on the forum.
Quote: All board members should be added to the thieves of Eve list.
It was a private institution, and you all perpitrated the biggest SCAM in Eve history, there should be no hiding
That's like saying that a person who's in debt is a thief, because he can't immediately pay back on a loan.
I know it's a bit off that analogy. But say that 12 months down the road, everybody is paid in full. How can you then justify having these people on the list of thieves?
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.08.28 21:45:00 -
[119]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Quote: If they were part of the BOD, then yes.
They were, like for a full month. Never actually ever posted on the forum.
Quote: All board members should be added to the thieves of Eve list.
It was a private institution, and you all perpitrated the biggest SCAM in Eve history, there should be no hiding
That's like saying that a person who's in debt is a thief, because he can't immediately pay back on a loan.
I know it's a bit off that analogy. But say that 12 months down the road, everybody is paid in full. How can you then justify having these people on the list of thieves?
1. The BOD list can always be reviewed. If TS and others left after a molnth then they shouldn't probaly be included like wise Ray and OZ who joined at the end. 2. Thieves of Eve can be reviewed after a year too. 3. You are gonna **** everyone off even more if you hang on to what's left of their cash for another year. 4. Customers want out, and get what they can out, but the BOD's ego's are too big to admit they screwed up.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.28 21:47:00 -
[120]
Originally by: cosmoray
4. Customers want out, and get what they can out, but the BOD's ego's are too big to admit they screwed up.
I don't know if I read a different thread than you. But I seem to recall Ray stating several times that we are looking into that option.
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Redbad
Minmatar Mean Corp Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2009.08.28 22:22:00 -
[121]
Originally by: LaVista Vista But I seem to recall Ray stating several times that we are looking into that option.
We? Don't tell me you are still in this Ebank stuff after all that's been said and done.
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Bran Breege
Minmatar Shimago Domingas Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.28 22:24:00 -
[122]
I believe that Lavista is possibly the worst perpetrator here, a real prince among the "MD Community" posing as a neutral representative on the CSM in favour of all MD etc when behind their backs he has stolen isk and been party, directly or indirectly, knowingly or unknowingly in RMT. I am surprised that CCP have not dealt with him summarily.
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JitaBum
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.08.28 22:36:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Bran Breege I believe that Lavista is possibly the worst perpetrator here, a real prince among the "MD Community" posing as a neutral representative on the CSM in favour of all MD etc when behind their backs he has stolen isk and been party, directly or indirectly, knowingly or unknowingly in RMT. I am surprised that CCP have not dealt with him summarily.
Personally I doubt this but he did leave Ebank at the most opportune time.
I think Ebank for LaVista was intended to be a quirky footnote on his C.V; 'Director for a large bank corporation within a virtial world' isn't completely without merit. He certainly has treated it very seriously though, whilst many boys his age are probably chasing girls
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Caelum Mortuos
Gallente Zero G Research and Development
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Posted - 2009.08.28 22:43:00 -
[124]
Wow lol. How much isk did you lose?
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Athre
Minmatar The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2009.08.28 22:56:00 -
[125]
Block please clarify your charges, the headers are insufficient
Embezzlement and Theft - Ric Wire Fraud - huh? Bank Fraud - huh? Conspiracy to Defraud - Not that I am aware of. Money Laundering - Any X was Y and I can not tell you what CCP replied because thats forbidden. Unless you mean Ric and then I have no idea
So I say again - Clarification please on EXACTLY what it is you are complaining about.
While you are at it, Please explain to everyone why your stock can not be resold at face value. I know you work hard but that doesnt matter, your stock is not tradable at its journal value. I should know, I picked up a bit at 80k several months back instead of 100k that its suppose to be worth.
Lets talk about that fraud shall we? :) If you are so adamant about liquidating EBANK, how about we start with YOUR venture shares first? okay? :) 100% face value or no deal.
No one at EBANK considers the current plan of action to be easy or a quick fix. It is a long hard road but it is doable. I'm glad to be associated with people whom have such integrity and intestinal fortitude to be able to stand firm and not be assuaged by such paltry guttersnipes.
I use to consider you to be someone of good character Block. You've played EVE for a very long time yet for some reason the knowledge that CCP failed to include a judicial system appears to have eluded you. I for one would have like to make claims against defaulters and certain characters that were banned with EBANK assets(everything other than the RMT). Never mind that it was *I* who managed to get Ric to agree to hand over 20b in personal property (in game) back to EBANK off of "Ricdic" even though "EBANK Ricdic" and "Bouncer Ricdic" were not able to return rightful bank assets.
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Muestereate
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Posted - 2009.08.28 23:00:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Muestereate on 28/08/2009 23:01:36
Originally by: Companion Qube
Originally by: Ray McCormack How do you establish the nearly 10 trillion ISK forfeiture?
It's over 9000 million?
I support a good witch burning as much as anyone, but this is just comedy.
*looks at pitchfork* *looks at torch* *lights pitchfork on fire*
RABBLE RABBLE
M whispers in Cubes ear: La Guillotine? LA Guillotine??
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Fitz VonHeise
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.08.28 23:08:00 -
[127]
For those who like to look at the start of EBANK I did some research. If there is another thread showing the start let me know.
I listed them from oldest to newest.
▪ EBANK Accounts: Information on how to reserve one (NONE LEFT)
▪ EBANK: Question to the Public (Launch is next week by the way)
▪ EBANK Update: Account changes, Phase 2, "The Future", and More!
▪ [EBANK] - Phase II Completed and News
▪ Official EBANK Announcement: PHASE III
▪ EBANK Status Update (PHASE III Coming to Conclusion)
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Treelox
Amarr Evolution
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Posted - 2009.08.28 23:21:00 -
[128]
Hurray for me having resisted attempts to recruit me to EBANK's BoD for the last +2 years.
That said, lol at the OP's whole idea. Yeah lets criminally charge the guilty, dock their sec status....ohhh noes....now they will have to use alts to get ships to them from high sec.
Seriously Block, what a joke this thread is, what is even sadder is I suspect your deadly serious.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.28 23:27:00 -
[129]
ITT Roleplay.
Fakeedit: First post in EPIC THREAD FAIL
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GPszith
Gallente Pork Chop Express
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Posted - 2009.08.28 23:40:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
I know I am going to take flak for this... but MD people used their reputation to get people to put trillions of isk into EBANK. A court case isn't going to go anywhere but all people of EVE should hold these Past Directors responsible till they make good the loses they caused by their lack of control and oversight.
That is why this is an interesting post. The one thing to be lost in EVE in the MD area is reputation and frankly if people are interested in looking into what happened and finding someone "guilty" it's okay by me. I'm not the anti-elite type but there seems to have been a bit of a pass because of the reputation of some of the people involved. -------------------------------------------------- -GPszith
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.28 23:52:00 -
[131]
Having considered the (lack of) evidence put forward by the plaintiff, I believe this case would not make it to a court anywhere in New Eden.
Firstly, because of the non existence of one of the defendents (CCP came back as not known on all recognised search systems) Secondly, because the plaintiff has not provided any evidence of law-breaking on the part of any of the named parties.
Exhaustive search of documentation has not provided any evidence suggesting that any of the activities alleged to have occurred are in breach of any treaties, legislation, or otherwise recognised laws.
I therefore suggest that this potential suit is dropped before any further potential costs are incurred.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.29 00:13:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Athre Block please clarify your charges ... So I say again - Clarification please on EXACTLY what it is you are complaining about.
A full document with the prosecutor's case will be presented at a later time. At this time I'm gathering information from involved parties.
Originally by: Athre
While you are at it, Please explain to everyone why your stock can not be resold at face value...
If you have any questions regarding BSAC investments I suggest you asked them in the corresponding threads. Your question has been answered before.
BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk |
Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.29 00:14:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise For those who like to look at the start of EBANK I did some research. If there is another thread showing the start let me know.
I listed them from oldest to newest.
▪ EBANK Accounts: Information on how to reserve one (NONE LEFT)
▪ EBANK: Question to the Public (Launch is next week by the way)
▪ EBANK Update: Account changes, Phase 2, "The Future", and More!
▪ [EBANK] - Phase II Completed and News
▪ Official EBANK Announcement: PHASE III
▪ EBANK Status Update (PHASE III Coming to Conclusion)
Great Job!
Thanks BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.08.29 00:19:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 29/08/2009 00:19:31 What I see demanded in this thread about the directors:
Linkage
- Auditing and consulting
Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.29 00:20:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Treelox Hurray for me having resisted attempts to recruit me to EBANK's BoD for the last +2 years.
That said, lol at the OP's whole idea. Yeah lets criminally charge the guilty, dock their sec status....ohhh noes....now they will have to use alts to get ships to them from high sec.
Seriously Block, what a joke this thread is, what is even sadder is I suspect your deadly serious.
Why shouldn't we charge the guilty ones? I understand that enforcing any ruling might never happen and that there is no precedence for a trial. But, should involved parties act like nothing happened and simply walk away?
And yes, IÆm deadly serious.
BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk |
Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.29 00:24:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Rhivre Having considered the (lack of) evidence put forward by the plaintiff, I believe this case would not make it to a court anywhere in New Eden.
Firstly, because of the non existence of one of the defendents (CCP came back as not known on all recognised search systems) Secondly, because the plaintiff has not provided any evidence of law-breaking on the part of any of the named parties.
Exhaustive search of documentation has not provided any evidence suggesting that any of the activities alleged to have occurred are in breach of any treaties, legislation, or otherwise recognised laws.
I therefore suggest that this potential suit is dropped before any further potential costs are incurred.
You are correct; I have not presented a full indictment. However, there is plenty of evidence in the forums of wrong doing. You and I disagree, and I believe thatÆs one reason we need to put forward a trial.
BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk |
Athre
Minmatar The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2009.08.29 00:25:00 -
[137]
As you fail to cough up the cash for your own shares I submit a counter suit that you too are a failure and should be brought up on charges of misrepresentation... yeah thats the ticket
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Ray McCormack
Kisoken Innovations
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Posted - 2009.08.29 00:30:00 -
[138]
I also counter suit that you are in fact a ginger and misrepresent in your alleged portrait that you have no hair, when in fact the rug matches the d****s.
Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah |
Ray McCormack
Kisoken Innovations
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Posted - 2009.08.29 00:31:00 -
[139]
I am also countering that your lack of a page six snipe is contrary to your ability to mow grass.
Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah |
Ray McCormack
Kisoken Innovations
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Posted - 2009.08.29 00:32:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Ray McCormack I am also countering that your lack of a page six snipe is contrary to your ability to mow grass.
Quoting epic failure.
Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah |
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Ray McCormack
Kisoken Innovations
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Posted - 2009.08.29 00:32:00 -
[141]
Clearly it's a long way off. I surrender.
Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah |
Companion Qube
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Posted - 2009.08.29 00:44:00 -
[142]
Edited by: Companion Qube on 29/08/2009 00:44:03 hrm
e: f.
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Vivinc Laloo
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Posted - 2009.08.29 00:44:00 -
[143]
ray, vista and co are making an heroic, tho kinda pathetic, but still heroic effort to stay smacky and funny and all. But that doesn't change the cold hard fact they are resposible for making a lot of fine peeps lose isk. And what is worse, they are resposible for dropping believabality in player finacial schemes to zero. This does kinda justify some reprecaution, no matter how nobel and sincere their initial motivations might have been.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.29 00:45:00 -
[144]
first on page 6
also. im suing all of you for trolling my forums.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.29 00:47:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Vivinc Laloo ray, vista and co are making an heroic, tho kinda pathetic, but still heroic effort to stay smacky and funny and all. But that doesn't change the cold hard fact they are resposible for making a lot of fine peeps lose isk. And what is worse, they are resposible for dropping believabality in player finacial schemes to zero. This does kinda justify some reprecaution, no matter how nobel and sincere their initial motivations might have been.
i agree, its clear now that while they might be retaliating, they have lost it. they have gone completely and utterly mad with POWER... PROTON POWER!
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.08.29 00:47:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Block Ukx Why shouldn't we charge the guilty one?
After some back checking I notice another failed defendant: Block UkxCare to explain about the isk you, yourself, stole from eBank?
See my twitterings about Eve Online. Be the first to hear me toot.
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Ray McCormack
Kisoken Innovations
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Posted - 2009.08.29 00:52:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Vivinc Laloo ray, vista and co are making an heroic, tho kinda pathetic, but still heroic effort to stay smacky and funny and all. But that doesn't change the cold hard fact they are resposible for making a lot of fine peeps lose isk. And what is worse, they are resposible for dropping believabality in player finacial schemes to zero. This does kinda justify some reprecaution, no matter how nobel and sincere their initial motivations might have been.
I plead guilty already!
Page six?
Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah |
Poison
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.29 01:13:00 -
[148]
Block told me when e-bank was early it was a possible scam. He asked many times for audits and other info as we where thinking of investing. He was shut down many times. He even pointed out a mistake made during early profit annoucements and again was shut down for asking questions. He told me of what he believed and the evidance he had a long time ago. So I didnt want anything to do with the bank. Well guess what billions and billions of isk missing.
Block is just seeing if there is any support for this happening. I know I would rather take a loss then to have my isk held for a year. I know I can get way better ROI then the bank possible could. I can see some people are tring to get this thread locked. Well they should be locked out of this thread to allow block to see if members of e-bank want a third part voice. I trust block a lot and know he does not do this for drama. We talked about it for a few days and he was not going to do anything.. But thats to much isk missing and people have a right to the isk they worked hard for.
If you dont support him fine but let the people that do support him.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.29 01:13:00 -
[149]
Originally by: HawkBlade
Originally by: Block Ukx Why shouldn't we charge the guilty one?
After some back checking I notice another failed defendant: Block UkxCare to explain about the isk you, yourself, stole from eBank?
ooh shar drama :) i love this :) first on page 7
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.29 01:14:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Poison Block told me when e-bank was early it was a possible scam. He asked many times for audits and other info as we where thinking of investing. He was shut down many times. He even pointed out a mistake made during early profit annoucements and again was shut down for asking questions. He told me of what he believed and the evidance he had a long time ago. So I didnt want anything to do with the bank. Well guess what billions and billions of isk missing.
Block is just seeing if there is any support for this happening. I know I would rather take a loss then to have my isk held for a year. I know I can get way better ROI then the bank possible could. I can see some people are tring to get this thread locked. Well they should be locked out of this thread to allow block to see if members of e-bank want a third part voice. I trust block a lot and know he does not do this for drama. We talked about it for a few days and he was not going to do anything.. But thats to much isk missing and people have a right to the isk they worked hard for.
If you dont support him fine but let the people that do support him.
i agree very well written :) i commend you!
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Athre
Minmatar The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2009.08.29 01:18:00 -
[151]
Poison, would you like to help EBANK liquidate? I know you often push your 20% limit on MinMa shares, we have plenty.
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2009.08.29 01:20:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Page six?
Exactly 29 posts per page brah.
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Kitchie
Gallente Vikramaditya
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Posted - 2009.08.29 01:22:00 -
[153]
Would somebody please shoot Ji Sama!
Every other post in every thread is some comment from Ji with no content or value.
Is this in some belief that quantity will lead to fame/respect over quality?
Ok, it worked for Paris Hilton....
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.29 01:27:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Ji Sama on 29/08/2009 01:30:07
Originally by: Kitchie Would somebody please shoot Ji Sama!
Every other post in every thread is some comment from Ji with no content or value.
Is this in some belief that quantity will lead to fame/respect over quality?
Ok, it worked for Paris Hilton....
that is not true, i post meaningful stuff, in meaningful threads. if the thread itself has no meaning, how am i supposed to be meaningful? i cant create something out of nothing.
why dont you ***** about some of the other spammers, this isnt the first time you have been butthurt by my posting habbits!
Pick Ray for instance, the lynch mob is already out to get him, you would just have to join the chorus!
edit: if you look in the fist official announcement thread, i have posted what i had to say there, im merely using my free speech, to show you how much i care for all the other REDUNDANT ebank threads!
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.08.29 01:59:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Athre Poison, would you like to help EBANK liquidate? I know you often push your 20% limit on MinMa shares, we have plenty.
This is the hidden point behind Block's activities. Some of eBank's remaining equity is invested in Block. If eBank was to liquidate Block would get his own debt back at a greatly reduced rate. In essence, Block is drumming up drama so that he can specifically rip off eBank customers. My personal annoyance revolves around two points: First, by naming myself, and few faultless others, you destroy any credibility in this action. Furthermore our statements of defense will create cover for those much more culpable. Simply put, you intentionally muddied the waters. Secondly, it was bad enough that I was ridiculed, trolled, flamed, crucified, and finally relegated as "disgruntled" when I tried warning you and the rest of the public here about the failings I saw. Now your dumb ass wants to do it to me a second time. Screw you, jenius. PS: See, that's why this is going to go nowhere. You say your are roleplaying and that you are deadly serious. All I see is a serious jackass in deadly levels of denial.
See my twitterings about Eve Online. Be the first to hear me toot.
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.08.29 02:02:00 -
[156]
Might I add that you also forgot to charge the public as part of this law suit. My moral outrage is greatly diminished from the efforts I made to warn them. The public saw fit to make a comedy show out of my warnings and the production cost was a whopping 1.4 trillion isk.
Tough **** if they are not happy with what they bought.
See my twitterings about Eve Online. Be the first to hear me toot.
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Thoraemond
Minmatar Far Ranger
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Posted - 2009.08.29 02:06:00 -
[157]
What could a judicial panel say about criminal charges here (or a civil suit seeking financial redress) that amounts to something sufficiently different from moral censure to warrant the effort required to constitute and operate the panel?
As I've written before, this lack of criminal or civil sanction is a central and limiting problem of player-operated justice in New Eden. Where in the real world, the legal system is commonly granted a monopoly on the punishment of certain societal norms (laws), in New Eden there is no meaningful way for players to take on the role of 'imposer of sanctions', or to conduct basic information-gathering (e.g., identification of alts), so the tools are simply not available to players to create something like what might be called a 'municipal legal system' in the real world.
Like it or not, a (non-corrupt) legal system often serves as an underlying infrastructure that enables many of the more complex endeavours undertaken in a society. Leaving a player-run legal system out of New Eden limits the complexity of the endeavours that players can undertake. Maybe the remaining limited complexity is enough to make a rich game experience, but I'd be curious to see what player-run justice could do.
On a personal note, as someone with only a nominal sum on deposit with the Bank, I say just put the Bank into bankruptcy, have a trustee (or committee of trustees) liquidate it, pay out ISK-fractions on the ISK and have done. á á
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.29 02:32:00 -
[158]
Originally by: HawkBlade
Originally by: Athre Poison, would you like to help EBANK liquidate? I know you often push your 20% limit on MinMa shares, we have plenty.
This is the hidden point behind Block's activities. Some of eBank's remaining equity is invested in Block. If eBank was to liquidate Block would get his own debt back at a greatly reduced rate. In essence, Block is drumming up drama so that he can specifically rip off eBank customers. My personal annoyance revolves around two points: First, by naming myself, and few faultless others, you destroy any credibility in this action. Furthermore our statements of defense will create cover for those much more culpable. Simply put, you intentionally muddied the waters. Secondly, it was bad enough that I was ridiculed, trolled, flamed, crucified, and finally relegated as "disgruntled" when I tried warning you and the rest of the public here about the failings I saw. Now your dumb ass wants to do it to me a second time. Screw you, jenius. PS: See, that's why this is going to go nowhere. You say your are roleplaying and that you are deadly serious. All I see is a serious jackass in deadly levels of denial.
Unlike EBANK, BSAC does keep strict records. I'm sure you have seen them, since SencneS have access to them.
EBANK invested 14,587,600,000 ISK in shares
On October 2008, EBANK traded 100,000 shares for a capital gain of 10 B ISK.
Presently EBANK owns 165,772 shares, which if they were liquidated at buy back (60,000 ISK) EBANK would receive 9,946,320,000 ISK.
The total return would then be 19,946,320,000 ISK, OR 5,358,720,000 ISK return on investment. Therefore, EBANKÆs investment on BSAC has not incurred a loss.
Your defamation tactic is not going to work. I am sure SencneS can confirm this information. Please keep thread in topic.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.29 02:34:00 -
[159]
Originally by: HawkBlade
Might I add that you also forgot to charge the public as part of this law suit. My moral outrage is greatly diminished from the efforts I made to warn them. The public saw fit to make a comedy show out of my warnings and the production cost was a whopping 1.4 trillion isk.
Tough **** if they are not happy with what they bought.
You were hire to:
ôShar Tegral- Shar Tegral was someone we wanted from the start. Shar is well known in the business world, and has no IPO related commitments at this point in time. He has some coding skills that may assist the corporation at some point, but his strengths will be in ensuring full disclosure of corporate activities are in place, and ensuring the 'sheep' aspect of a board does not occur (everyone follow the leader).ö
I believe you knew what was going on but decided to walk away and keep the public in the dark.
BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk |
Athre
Minmatar The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2009.08.29 03:01:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Block Ukx
EBANK invested 14,587,600,000 ISK in shares
On October 2008, EBANK traded 100,000 shares for a capital gain of 10 B ISK.
Presently EBANK owns 165,772 shares, which if they were liquidated at buy back (60,000 ISK) EBANK would receive 9,946,320,000 ISK.
The total return would then be 19,946,320,000 ISK, OR 5,358,720,000 ISK return on investment. Therefore, EBANKÆs investment on BSAC has not incurred a loss.
Your defamation tactic is not going to work. I am sure SencneS can confirm this information. Please keep thread in topic.
You forget I too have access to the records as a share holder in my own right. What I am getting at Block is that the 3.06% gain per month due to devalued stock does not even meet the ROL for dealing with Savings accounts. If your stock were valued at 100 k like it should be, it would have covered more of the EBANK's customers interest. The sole reason for investing in you or anyone else was to cover the customer's interest.
So in essence while you are trying to point fingers, I am doing my due diligence to show that you as well are just as much to blame. I believe that is your topic - Blame, Name and Shame. Do not forget to name yourself.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.29 03:42:00 -
[161]
Well, this is a interesting read but couple of things
1. Who are the judge? How will you pick a judge that is not biased? You'll have to pick someone that isn't connected to EBank either through having an account or having EBank as one of the investor in their IPO. Even if you did confirm that they have no connection to EBank, how do you account for their alts? Other accounts?
2. Same thing for jury.
3. How is the punishment enforced? Execute them? Sure, recycle! Imprision them? Sure, stick them in a wormhole!
This is a fascinating read and unfortunately, it's ruined by Ji's usual mindless ramble just to get attention for himself...
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.08.29 04:02:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Block Ukx I believe you knew what was going on but decided to walk away and keep the public in the dark.
The fact that you can say this only proves how moronic you truly are. We are done here.
See my twitterings about Eve Online. Be the first to hear me toot.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.08.29 04:53:00 -
[163]
As fun as this would be its not going anywhere. I would just like the whole issue closed out.
If the directors try to make a go of it, there will be flame threads for the whole year, or however long it takes.
EBANK should just be closed, people get some cash and everyone has closure and we move on.
Otherwise I see a whole year of MD arguments over the EBANK issue and how its going, etc....
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.29 08:00:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Redbad
We? Don't tell me you are still in this Ebank stuff after all that's been said and done.
I don't abandon friends.
Quote: I believe that Lavista is possibly the worst perpetrator here, a real prince among the "MD Community" posing as a neutral representative on the CSM in favour of all MD etc when behind their backs he has stolen isk and been party, directly or indirectly, knowingly or unknowingly in RMT. I am surprised that CCP have not dealt with him summarily.
I have not stolen a single ISK. I have actively been taking part in investigation of money laundering(RMT). I have never bought ISK.
So why should CCP "deal" with me?
Quote: Personally I doubt this but he did leave Ebank at the most opportune time. I think Ebank for LaVista was intended to be a quirky footnote on his C.V
I'm still with EBANK, and has been so from the very start when Ricdic approached me about the idea back during summer 2007.
I was temporarily promoted to director while we were trying to get through the whole Ricdic issue a few months ago. A few weeks ago we decided that it was time to fill out the board again with active people. Hence we decided it would be in the interest of everybody to have Omber Zombie replace me.
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.29 08:24:00 -
[165]
I believe, as Block has said, that he and I are of different opinions as to whether any crime has occured against the populace of New Eden.
If indeed he wishes to push for a pre-trial hearing in order to clarify this matter, then I am happy to state my case.
However, I believe an expert on the laws of each faction would have to be approached, as legality between the states that make up new eden varies (I am assuming we are in agreement that the factions which operate outside of Concord are not to be included).
Also, as Mr Nelson has stated, appointment of a judge and jury would indeed be an issue.
As Block is no doubt aware, the jury has to be open minded, despite any prejudice they may have following interstellar media reports, and as Mr Nelson states, they can have no relationship with any of the accused, either in a business, or more than a passing personal relationship.
For the record, I am happy to represent the defendents. I have no interests, nor interaction with their prior business, and whilst it is publicly recorded that I am a member of LaVista Vistas alliance I do not believe that this constitutes a conflict of interest.
However, as stated at the start of this message, before Block can proceed with his case, it must first be established that there is a case to answer.
It should also be noted that I am also of the opinion that there is insufficient grounds for either a criminal, or civil suit.
I suggest the first course of action should be to refer to our more learned friends within the intergalactic summit,as there are more knowledgeable persons on this subject than either Block or myself.
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Felix Jugo
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Posted - 2009.08.29 08:33:00 -
[166]
As usual, the enforcement mechanism for this sort of thing is vigilante justice. The death penalty. Pod them as often as you like.
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Scout 101
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Posted - 2009.08.29 08:38:00 -
[167]
lawyer here. I will try the case, please send 30 bil retainer and I shall commence immediately.
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.29 08:41:00 -
[168]
I have requested assistance from our learned capsuleers at the intergalactic summit, I propose that Block holds off on any further action until an answer is forthcoming. I propose a timeframe of 2 days to allow for research and response.
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Wendy Spacetraveller
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Posted - 2009.08.29 11:02:00 -
[169]
itt: only in eve
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Saartje Sarel
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Posted - 2009.08.29 11:50:00 -
[170]
Edited by: Saartje Sarel on 29/08/2009 11:52:36 cross posted.
5. Profit!!
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Lord Apocrypha
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Posted - 2009.08.29 12:00:00 -
[171]
Edited by: Lord Apocrypha on 29/08/2009 12:01:00 Guilty as charged.
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Karanth
Gallente Independent Fleet Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.08.29 13:40:00 -
[172]
Edited by: Karanth on 29/08/2009 13:41:01 This ridiculous farce reminds me of that worthless "citizens grand jury" formed up of birthers that wrote up a terribly formatted and hardly legible indictment that was slammed by the court it was brought before. Part of why it was rejected is the fact that random citizens did not have the right to convene random grand juries, as that is a right reserved for the judicial branch of the government.
Or, in other words, random people can't usurp rights from government because they are insane/bitter/vengeful/made of potato salad.
But then again, I know in a thread like this, logic of any sort is out of place, so I will provide a translation:
BLOO BLOO HURR INTERNET LAWYERING BLOO BLOO A DURR
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
Sorry, no. You have to go into wormholes and get farmed by the new AI NPCs like everyone else...
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Karanth
Gallente Independent Fleet Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.08.29 13:55:00 -
[173]
And also, let me be the first to say that we live in uncertain times. Our enemies have never been greater, and our very way of life us under threat of random suicide ganking terrorists and greedy executives robbing you, the people, of your money.
But sadly, the greed of those trusted people has resulted in personal bankruptcy declarations rising by 27% in the last quarter alone, with even greater shocks throughout the financial markets.
We're all hurting here. But things will get better. We can heal the system that greed broke here. The first steps of the revolution against our oppressors have already been taken, and while the road of change we travel is rough, we shall prevail!
What can you do to assist the revolution? Simple, easy steps. Stand in solidarity with your champions against the bourgeois capitalist pig-dogs. No matter what they tell you, disbelieve their lies and propaganda, and report it to the revolutionary committee. Refuse to toil under their weight and do all within your power to seize the means of production from the Elite!
We have the power to create a better world, one where we are equals, freed from our chains. Will it be easy? No. But can we do it, if we work together? YES WE CAN.
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
Sorry, no. You have to go into wormholes and get farmed by the new AI NPCs like everyone else...
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.29 14:17:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Rhivre I believe, as Block has said, that he and I are of different opinions as to whether any crime has occured against the populace of New Eden.
If indeed he wishes to push for a pre-trial hearing in order to clarify this matter, then I am happy to state my case.
However, I believe an expert on the laws of each faction would have to be approached, as legality between the states that make up new eden varies (I am assuming we are in agreement that the factions which operate outside of Concord are not to be included).
Also, as Mr Nelson has stated, appointment of a judge and jury would indeed be an issue.
As Block is no doubt aware, the jury has to be open minded, despite any prejudice they may have following interstellar media reports, and as Mr Nelson states, they can have no relationship with any of the accused, either in a business, or more than a passing personal relationship.
For the record, I am happy to represent the defendents. I have no interests, nor interaction with their prior business, and whilst it is publicly recorded that I am a member of LaVista Vistas alliance I do not believe that this constitutes a conflict of interest.
However, as stated at the start of this message, before Block can proceed with his case, it must first be established that there is a case to answer.
It should also be noted that I am also of the opinion that there is insufficient grounds for either a criminal, or civil suit.
I suggest the first course of action should be to refer to our more learned friends within the intergalactic summit,as there are more knowledgeable persons on this subject than either Block or myself.
Your opinion has been noted. However, it is the job of a Grand Jury to determine if there is probable cause that a crime was committed. At present, IÆm conducting an investigation with the purpose to prosecute the people responsible for an alleged EBANK fraud.
BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk |
Karanth
Gallente Independent Fleet Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.08.29 14:27:00 -
[175]
Ok, now that I have laid my groundwork here, I feel I can proceed.
Block, what the **** is your brain doing, that it calls this terrible mockery of rational thought worth not only considering, but typing out and then defending?
How could you possibly believe that this farce would actually result in anything of worth aside from inspiration for trolling? I'll address the "charges" from first an ingame perspective, and then an out-of-game viewpoint.
Firstly, under what authority do you charge EBank, let alone CCP, a not-in-game entity, with any of your listed accusations? The Yulai Conventions make no reference to, or provision for, non-CONCORD personnel such as yourself to bring forth charges against anyone. No Empire would ever bring them on behalf of you in front of the Inner Circle, as they would be laughed right out of the chambers.
On top of that, aside from using SCC-controlled fluid routers for money transfers, the SCC has no real standing in this case. At best, they could show that EBank, in a non-CONCORD-enforced contract, promised to give people money if they were sent money first. You can twist your language as you like, but that's what it is, and is no more worthy of CONCORD notice than your average 10x scam, or "forgetting" a zero on your contract for minerals or a Raven.
And now, how do you propose to make this joke indictment over internet space bucks work? Why start now, as opposed to all the other failures and scams of the past? If you claim size, then you lose any moral grounds to demand justice. Pray tell, what sort of legal procedure should we be using? American? Icelandic? Maybe just list out the 100 most important and well-known legal systems and see what the DOW end-of-trade numbers say we should use, in the best MD fashion?
Ooh, ooh, what about punishments? We can't forget that we need to determine a punishment for these crimes. We can't use the RL charges as those work under the understanding that legal tender is being used, not pretend money on a server in London.
Oh, but to apply these charges, we need an impartial judge, and jury. Now, who would be best to choose for these tasks? First though would be Chribba, as every inbred banjo-playing ****** can squeeze the only name they know out between drooling fits. But I would liken the odds of him wasting time here to be the same that every single WoW server simultaneously reformats itself irrecoverably.
Well, there is always CCP for a job of final oversight- oh, wait. They are named on the "indictment." Well, maybe T20 can come back for a guest appearance?
You have no way to perform any of the needed functions of a court of law, and no one here does. CCP does not either, as due process isn't a right, freedom of speech isn't a right, and transparency is as much as CCP wants.
Aside from possibly one of the better trolls in a while, and the satisfaction of a job well done on that I might add, you have nothing to gain, and more to lose. I'd say you'd be risking the respect of your peers, but really, who at this point really, in the last year, has trusted anyone farther than they can drive to their house and pummel them? I put cash into EBank, I took cash out of EBank, and I knew from the very first that the only person to blame if I lost money from it would be me.
Now, with all of that out of the way, we can get back on with this magnificent troll you got going here. I'll be back in a bit to toast a few marshmallows on that flaming over there.
P.S. And remember, just as the ore I mine is free, like my datacores, posting this has only increased the value I had before, except in spacebucks, the dividend here is in trollbucks.
P.P.S. whole lotta care up in here lol
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
Sorry, no. You have to go into wormholes and get farmed by the new AI NPCs like everyone else...
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.29 14:36:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Karanth Ok, now that I have laid my groundwork here, I feel I can proceed.
Block, what the **** is your brain doing, that it calls this terrible mockery of rational thought worth not only considering, but typing out and then defending?
How could you possibly believe that this farce would actually result in anything of worth aside from inspiration for trolling? I'll address the "charges" from first an ingame perspective, and then an out-of-game viewpoint.
Firstly, under what authority do you charge EBank, let alone CCP, a not-in-game entity, with any of your listed accusations? The Yulai Conventions make no reference to, or provision for, non-CONCORD personnel such as yourself to bring forth charges against anyone. No Empire would ever bring them on behalf of you in front of the Inner Circle, as they would be laughed right out of the chambers.
On top of that, aside from using SCC-controlled fluid routers for money transfers, the SCC has no real standing in this case. At best, they could show that EBank, in a non-CONCORD-enforced contract, promised to give people money if they were sent money first. You can twist your language as you like, but that's what it is, and is no more worthy of CONCORD notice than your average 10x scam, or "forgetting" a zero on your contract for minerals or a Raven.
And now, how do you propose to make this joke indictment over internet space bucks work? Why start now, as opposed to all the other failures and scams of the past? If you claim size, then you lose any moral grounds to demand justice. Pray tell, what sort of legal procedure should we be using? American? Icelandic? Maybe just list out the 100 most important and well-known legal systems and see what the DOW end-of-trade numbers say we should use, in the best MD fashion?
Ooh, ooh, what about punishments? We can't forget that we need to determine a punishment for these crimes. We can't use the RL charges as those work under the understanding that legal tender is being used, not pretend money on a server in London.
Oh, but to apply these charges, we need an impartial judge, and jury. Now, who would be best to choose for these tasks? First though would be Chribba, as every inbred banjo-playing ****** can squeeze the only name they know out between drooling fits. But I would liken the odds of him wasting time here to be the same that every single WoW server simultaneously reformats itself irrecoverably.
Well, there is always CCP for a job of final oversight- oh, wait. They are named on the "indictment." Well, maybe T20 can come back for a guest appearance?
You have no way to perform any of the needed functions of a court of law, and no one here does. CCP does not either, as due process isn't a right, freedom of speech isn't a right, and transparency is as much as CCP wants.
Aside from possibly one of the better trolls in a while, and the satisfaction of a job well done on that I might add, you have nothing to gain, and more to lose. I'd say you'd be risking the respect of your peers, but really, who at this point really, in the last year, has trusted anyone farther than they can drive to their house and pummel them? I put cash into EBank, I took cash out of EBank, and I knew from the very first that the only person to blame if I lost money from it would be me.
Now, with all of that out of the way, we can get back on with this magnificent troll you got going here. I'll be back in a bit to toast a few marshmallows on that flaming over there.
Opinion noted.
Am I the only person that thinks a crime was committed? I doubt it, but if that is the case, then you have nothing to fear.
The investigation will continue. There is a lot of information that I have uncovered that you are not aware of.
BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk |
Proton Power
Amarr Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.08.29 14:36:00 -
[177]
If I plead guilty can I only get 1 year probation since I saved the courts millions of isk on a trial for me?
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Dzil
Caldari Halo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.29 14:54:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: LaVista Vista Are you suggesting that people should support class action over something that belongs to CCP?
Criminal in-game charges. I'm not talking about an outside lawsuit, but rather a law suit by the people of New Eden.
Originally by: LaVista Vista
You are also suggesting that people who had nothing to do with the disappearence of the ISK should be charged.
Only parties that in some form or manner participated or facilitated the Fraud are being charged.
Sure... nevermind that there is currently an ongoing WAR between the four empire factions to which the majority of MD assets belong, an ongoing WAR by the major players of 0.0 that the majority of the remaining minority belong, and a lawless middle full of pirates pretty much encompasses the rest.
If you were at all serious on this one, the cart is miles (sorry, kilometers) before the horse. You need trustworthy 3rd parties holding assets that can be seized as "damages", an elected or appointed judge based on some system of merit, and established court proceedings.
In lacking all of that, I'd recommend your best course of action is financial rebuke of any liabilities you might owe to ebank, and possibly guns. This post will have all the impact of an internet petition to legalize *********.
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
Karanth
Gallente Independent Fleet Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.08.29 15:10:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Block Ukx
Opinion noted.
Am I the only person that thinks a crime was committed? I doubt it, but if that is the case, then you have nothing to fear.
The investigation will continue. There is a lot of information that I have uncovered that you are not aware of.
Well damn, I sure got shown. Where does this sort of dismissal sound familiar frOHWAIT I KNOW IT'S THE SCAMMERS REFRAIN WHEN THEY GET CALLED OUT.
I mean, I know that hiding info is a time-honoured bull**** scam tradition and all, and "Well, that just, like, YOUR OPINION, man", constitutes a valid legal defense, right, but you know, you maybe, juuust maybe, actually answer a question instead of dancing around like a ballerina?
And do I think a "crime" was committed? No, as I am not a child who, upon discovering that my buddy who is running the bank in Monopoly is passing himself cash under the table, decides to call the police for committing bank fraud and violating a number of federal regulations.
But, you know, that's just, like, MY OPINION, man.
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
Sorry, no. You have to go into wormholes and get farmed by the new AI NPCs like everyone else...
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Aethrs
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Posted - 2009.08.30 23:20:00 -
[180]
Edited by: Aethrs on 30/08/2009 23:22:17 Hey, some pirates stole my cookies on the way to jita with them. That's theft, and I want criminal charges filed. I have evidence to prove this crime and believe CCP is also liable for enabling criminal enterprise such as this.
I hereby demand everyone don carebear suits and weapons will now fire love hearts to make all children cry with joy... because we have to protect children from things like evil space pirates.
Wait, arn't banks allowed to run off with our money in real life? Perhaps EBANK should get a bailout.
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Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2009.08.31 01:28:00 -
[181]
/watches people desperately try to salvage their tattered reputations. + LDS @ Bclnc
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Tesal
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Posted - 2009.08.31 02:26:00 -
[182]
This thread is unhelpful. I would troll it, but I don't think its possible to troll any worse than is already happening.
Bottom line: those who live in glass houses should not throw stones, unless they are trolls who live in glass houses.
Can we end this thread now?
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Solisk
Gallente HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics
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Posted - 2009.08.31 02:28:00 -
[183]
Why end it? I'm enjoying the investigating that Block is doing.
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PostmasterGeneral
Minmatar yo i'm posting
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Posted - 2009.08.31 05:26:00 -
[184]
that is the worst indictment i have ever seen
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council Seposita Astrum
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Posted - 2009.08.31 05:34:00 -
[185]
Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 31/08/2009 05:34:33
Originally by: LaVista Vista Is this a joke?
This is EVE, we don't do trials, we shoot each other in the face when we have disagreements / hurt ego's. Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.08.31 06:27:00 -
[186]
I'm honestly not sure if this thread is serious or one of the most epic and successful trolls I've ever seen. I want to believe that Block still has some stuffing between his ears, but the more he posts the less likely that appears.
I believe that we should have a cage match between Ray and Block to settle things.
Originally by: Karanth Or, in other words, random people can't usurp rights from government because they are insane/bitter/vengeful/made of potato salad.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.08.31 12:31:00 -
[187]
Exhibit 10
[quote = Betty Rhage] on 31/08/2009 01:32:14
So here is the deal. I'm going to spill some beans here to show I mean it, and then either you can give me back my isk - yes this is an alt but I expect you to know who this is and if not just eve mail me - or I will simply sell the rest on the open market to cover my losses. I never thought I would be hedging like this, but oh well.
How did I get this data? I can't you all without breaking the Eve Online TOS, so basically I cant tell any of you. I will not be doing so. Sorry, but I am not going to put my accounts at risk. I can say I was trusted with some data, spied to get others, but I was an outsider, and that outside game communications often got a lot more interesting than eve-internal communications, because based on recent devblog posts I suspect they suspected they where being monitored by Concord. Its all hindsight now, and I thought none of it was real..
First thing: Not all Ricdic's accounts are banned. He is still affiliated with Ebank using accounts paid with stolen isk and is using various other internet connections so he can not be easily tracked by CPP/Concord when he logs on. You don't just walk away from this game, it consumes you, and once you put so much time into something you cant just let it go.. so he did not.
Second: The data I have says that he was not the only person involved in RMT in EveBank. The story that was made public was only half true, and based on the little data I just now confirmed again to be sure EveBank was regularly used to launder and store money from RMT from both the Russian and Asian operations, mostly the ones that work out of the drone regions and deep Russian space, and EveBank took a big hit in the recent bans where money and items being sold in secondary trade operations in Jita from EveBank assets was banned along with accounts used in RMT. Notice the sudden lack of accounts in Jita? That is a big reason for the sudden evebank shortfall, not just Ricdic's so called 'theft', because a lot of evebank capital assets in storage/transition/etc where lost when these accounts where banned.
Now let me be the first to say I dont have hard proof of a lot of this or the other data I have - I cant record phone conversations without breaking the law so this could all be made up for all many of you know and I am deeply sorry about this fact- But I don't have anything to go to CCP with to turn in people with solid evidence, and EveBank knows this, hence the comments they have made. And since in the past my attempts to petition them/macro miners/etc I had information on as working for these people all seemed to be ignored, and since a few of the people involved have replied to this thread, I doubt CCP cares about their involvement or any of the petitions I have created over the last few months because the ticket system seems to love to expire petitions and close them (Why does ccp even allow that Shouldn't all requests be manualy closed by a rep to be sure important petitions are not lost? Yes.. but thats not how it seems to work. If they ignore you for long enough the petition closes :( )
But I bet you all do.
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.08.31 12:53:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Block Ukx Exhibit 10
If this is the kind of evidence you are collecting... this is a joke thread.
See my twitterings about Eve Online. Be the first to hear me toot.
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flakeys
Vanguard Frontiers Slightly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.31 13:04:00 -
[189]
Originally by: HawkBlade
Originally by: Block Ukx Exhibit 10
If this is the kind of evidence you are collecting... this is a joke thread.
Think that was obvious from the moment he pressed 'post'
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PostmasterGeneral
Minmatar yo i'm posting
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Posted - 2009.08.31 17:44:00 -
[190]
hey guise i hear hearsay is just primo evidence amirite
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Fitz VonHeise
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.08.31 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Block Ukx You were hire to:
ôShar Tegral- Shar Tegral was someone we wanted from the start. Shar is well known in the business world, and has no IPO related commitments at this point in time. He has some coding skills that may assist the corporation at some point, but his strengths will be in ensuring full disclosure of corporate activities are in place, and ensuring the 'sheep' aspect of a board does not occur (everyone follow the leader).ö
I believe you knew what was going on but decided to walk away and keep the public in the dark.
In the other thread I mentioned that the directors who should have ensured that the controls were in place should be held liable. HawkBlade showed me his resignation post (which I had not read before) I will post below why He did state publicly EBANK was in trouble.
I apologize for publically for assuming HawkBlade/Shar was guilty of wrongdoing. However some one is/was responsible for ensuring controls and procedures were in place so peopleÆs isk would not be stolen/removed. These are the people who need to be help accountable.
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Fitz VonHeise
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.08.31 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Fitz VonHeise on 31/08/2009 19:53:42
For ease of use below shows an email that HawkBlade/Shar sent to the EBANK directors before he leftà and he published it in his thread for all to read.
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Subject: Last Resort: Private Meeting Date: 14 Jul 2008 00:55 (EST) Recipients: SencneS, Anastasia, Banni Vinda, Hexxx, PangGrohl, Selene D'Celeste, Mr Horizontal, LaVista Vista (BCC), Athre (BCC)
I'm contacting everyone on the board simply because I do not think that any productive conversation can take place in front of Ricdic.
I am concerned. I am worried and, in truth, I'm considering leaving. Not because of the bickering, though the bickering is I think a symptom, but because I'm losing confidence in eBank itself.
As time goes by Ric is reporting less and less of who, what, where, when and/or how. What has me really spooked is not this Bob Guy at all, that's more the straw on the camel's back tbh. It was this 175b self approved loan that he failed to tell anyone about.
Now if we all remember we adamantly decided that Ric could not just grant himself a loan without oversight. Long ago with the EO forum ****ing post that he did where he said he could. Well, he did. And didn't bat an eye about it. If not for him mentioning it in passing over MSN to me I don't know if the board would have any clue to where 175 billion went.
Now, I don't want to stab the man but this latest volley of his, "keep in your place", has me at my last straw. The board of directors was a key integral part of the formation of eBank. Ricdic worked for us, not the other way around. I think that has been totally forgotten in his impetuousness and, sadly, we need to move forward either with admitting we are no longer in charge and responsible or we take the necessary action in front of us.
I'm not going to politic you, I don't want the ****ing job either. But I am going to tell you what is plainly in front of us... Caesar must go. I fear it is simply a case of him or us and the sooner that decision is made. either direction, the better for us all.
Either way this turns out I'm going to do what I have to do to maintain my integrity. If matters are left at status quo, I'm gone. If matters are for Ricdic, again I'm gone. I will not stick around and let an impetuous child destroy me and my good name like he almost let Cally near destroy his own.
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You will see the list of people above who HawkBlade/Shar sent this to. Some or all of them were responsible for making sure controls were in place before EBANK was formed to insure peopleÆs is was safe.
Those guilty people are the ones we should no longer trust or believe if they start an IPO or a BANK venture here in eve. The problem is we donÆt have any investigators in Eve like we would in RL to prove or find out who is guilty.
So reallyà in Eve you are guilty till proven innocent
The ones listed above need to prove to the People Of Eve that they were not involved or hired to insure control of the isk could not be stolen. (As far as IÆm concerned HawkBlade/Shar already did as he was æhiredÆ to æensure full disclosure of corporate activities are in placeÆ. He has done that.)
And if the above canÆt prove their innocence then people should work with and give isk to them at their peril.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.31 20:05:00 -
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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 31/08/2009 20:05:34
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
You will see the list of people above who HawkBlade/Shar sent this to. Some or all of them were responsible for making sure controls were in place before EBANK was formed to insure peopleÆs isk was safe.
Only some of those were responsible for the controls. I sure wasn't, as I was still only there to maintain and fix things on the website when they were broken, and collect data for people to use.
EDIT: The (BCC) tag by Athre and my own name should be a clue.
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Fitz VonHeise
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.08.31 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista I sure wasn't...
I sorta thought that.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.31 20:12:00 -
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Now, don't take this as offense to your post, but I was thinking:
In real life, due to the nature of how one can only be in 1 spot at any given time, proving innocence is not impossible.
However how are you ever going to prove innocence in EVE? It's that kind of impossible?
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Solisk
Gallente HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics
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Posted - 2009.08.31 21:09:00 -
[196]
Block, any idea when you'll be able to release a compiled list of your findings?
I'm also curious as to how much cooperation you're receiving from Ebank staff, former and current.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.08.31 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: HawkBlade While I am surprised that my name should reappear within the drama that is eBank in truth there is only one thing I find disconcerting. You failed to name one prime contributor to the collapse of eBank: Selene D'Celeste
Please could you elaborate on this? It's news to me. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule |
Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six
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Posted - 2009.08.31 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: HawkBlade While I am surprised that my name should reappear within the drama that is eBank in truth there is only one thing I find disconcerting. You failed to name one prime contributor to the collapse of eBank: Selene D'Celeste
Please could you elaborate on this? It's news to me.
They're referencing the audit I was supposed to perform but never did due to a lack of information, shortly before my second resignation from EBANK. Both Shar and Athre have brought my name up recently, and have held something against me ever since that time, despite still having cordial relations in chat and such (i.e. no harsh words are ever said elsewhere, but they both bring me up when the blame game happens on the forums).
This started when I resigned (post KIA-loan issue, pre-Ricdic). The resignation came about because the only data available to me during my attempted audit in May was the corporation contract history for collateral, the list of loans and how much was owed on each, and a few sums from venture operations such as the one AC was running. At the time I wasn't very active due to a move/job combo, but I had told others I would try to do an audit since none had been done in ages. Between my frustration at the information barrier (everything was assumed to be in TXD, of which records were more or less nonexistent), the lack of a public announcement concerning the KIA loan default for well over a month, and the lack of any visible leadership in EBANK, I wrote up a proposal for closing/halting accounts, liquidating some ventures and/or customers, and possibly temporarily freezing the bank while a complete audit and cash-flow report was done. Part of my plan included assuming CEO so that there was leadership, but after running the plan by Athre, we got into an argument and she left the conversation. I then decided that EBANK was something my energy was wasted on, and that while I still had friends there, I shouldn't be doing business with them.
Once the Ricdic thing happened a few weeks later, I posted my resignation on these forums so that the record was clear, not wanting to be caught up in that mess. I had decided not to post initially so as to avoid drama, being assured that the concerns I raised weren't falling on deaf ears. This was when Athre, and moreso Shar, ripped into me (you can go back and look at the Ricdic/EBANK thread for posts), as they were offended at my decisions. They apparently feel I should have a heavy dose of blame, but for what specifically is unclear. To me it seems they would feel better if I somehow suffered, and that is the only point to this even coming up. Sigh.
A couple of weeks after the Ricdic incident, I ended up chatting with some of the guys I work with at EOH, and with Grendell, and we ended up tossing around ideas on how a bank-like business could work without any of the known flaws in the known banks. Before long, work began on ECR.
I do regret having become indifferent to Ricdic and his antics, having long ago grown tired of both him and EBANK's inability to improve its code, back when Shar first quit. Both of us tore into Ric constantly in the early days, the main difference being that I didn't bring it onto EVE-O and instead of quitting I went inactive and resigned by default after a period of some months. Shar's always had the stomach for these things, but that kind of never-ending battle wasn't for me. Sorry if you expected me to do the same, Shar.
As to my second stint with EBANK, I regret having ever said I would do an audit when I didn't really have the time, and I've said as much to the few members of EBANK I still chat with on occasion. I probably wanted to make it up to myself for having given up before, but I couldn't have chosen a worse time in RL to have tried. Thus the above.
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Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.08.31 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista Is this a joke?
how could it not be?
Oh wait Internet spaceships is serious business, must be serious
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.08.31 23:41:00 -
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Well a hell of a lot of board members don't seem to be responsible for ANYTHING at EBANK.
The way I see it:
The BOD are responsible for providing oversight so that the bank's first priority is the safeguarding of customers ISK.
Shar realised this was a massive issue last year, brought it to the public's attention and resigned or was forced out. In my book Shar was blameless.
The rest of the BOD who were in EBANK and any who were present at the time of the Ricdic theft are accountable for not doing their jobs.
Those BOD members who quickly resigned after Ricdic was banned and before everything became public, shame on you for running away.
Sorry Selene and LVV but you have to share some responsibilty in this. You both held on a long time, can't just throw it off now. When Shar resigned you either agreed with what Ricdic was doing and by staying on you allowed the actions of the CEO (maybe others) to go unchecked or you were incompetant at your jobs.
At least Hexx is taking on responsibility for this.
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.01 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: Yelan Zhou on 01/09/2009 00:15:39 I dunno what all those trolls here about but this thread revealed way more than any other E-bank thread did so far.
The reactions of the E-bank members and former members are very interesting also. I mean everyone blames Ricdic for everything, but noone else has dirt/incompetence on his/her hands ? Very doubtful I think.
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six
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Posted - 2009.09.01 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
Sorry Selene and LVV but you have to share some responsibilty in this. You both held on a long time, can't just throw it off now. When Shar resigned you either agreed with what Ricdic was doing and by staying on you allowed the actions of the CEO (maybe others) to go unchecked or you were incompetant at your jobs.
You're more than welcome to your opinion, and I'd gladly talk more with you or anyone else in-game if you wish. This doesn't mean I'm going to stop doing what I enjoy in EVE, nor give up any of my businesses. If you have lost faith in me because of this, so be it. I've already explained myself and my regrets and there's nothing more to say. I'm not going to argue. Everyone will make the opinions they are going to make. I simply decided to explain what happened so that they may decide for themselves with the relevant information before them, and before a slanted version of events was told. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.09.01 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
Sorry Selene and LVV but you have to share some responsibilty in this. You both held on a long time, can't just throw it off now. When Shar resigned you either agreed with what Ricdic was doing and by staying on you allowed the actions of the CEO (maybe others) to go unchecked or you were incompetant at your jobs.
Uhhh?
Your post seems to assume that I was actually a director before Ricdic ran off.
The sole reason I was temporarely made a director, was that Ricdic ran off with the ISK. That's until a couple of weeks ago, when I had OZ step in place of me, because of time issues.
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glas mir
Reaction Scientific
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Posted - 2009.09.01 05:29:00 -
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Edited by: glas mir on 01/09/2009 05:29:20
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: cosmoray
Sorry Selene and LVV but you have to share some responsibilty in this.
Uhhh?
Your post seems to assume that I was actually a director before Ricdic ran off.
The sole reason I was temporarely made a director, was that Ricdic ran off with the ISK. That's until a couple of weeks ago, when I had OZ step in place of me, because of time issues.
When I look at the ebank scandal, yes you are tarnished. I do not know exactly who knew what, I was never interested in the bank, but you are associated with it. You cannot wish that away. You choose to associate with it and advocate for it, now face the consequences.
You are trying to pretend on these forums that your hands are clean, but they are not.
I am interested in what this thread ultimately produces but those that I no longer trust are:
Ricdic Hexx SencneS Athre
they are the faces of ebank I am familiar with.
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glas mir
Reaction Scientific
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Posted - 2009.09.01 05:32:00 -
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I should add that depending how the current situation plays out, I may add Ray to that list.
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.09.01 05:51:00 -
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Edited by: Frenden Dax on 01/09/2009 05:51:27
Originally by: glas mir I should add that depending how the current situation plays out, I may add Ray to that list.
What? If anything Ray has skyrocketed to near the top of my 'people I trust' list, along with Shar and Cosmoray. All three can be abrasive and crude at times, but they are professional and honest when it matters, and to hell with reputations or appeasing everyone. Ray should accrue no blame from this at all, since he parachuted in after the damage was already there. All he's done since then is work to pick up the pieces (a thankless and profitless task) and endure flaming and abuse from almost everyone.
I'd say the person in whom I seem to have placed too much trust is Hexxx, rather than Ray. I assumed that with Hexxx near the top of the EBANK power-structure, giving reports on the financial status of EBANK, he would take the time to ensure the accuracy of the information he was passing off as fact. Whether through laziness or mistaken trust in Ricdic, this validation did not occur. While of course no one is stupid enough to accuse Hexxx of stealing isk or deliberately falsifying information, I would be loathe to trust Hexxx's judgment on the financial status of any further ventures. As a theory-crafter he is without peer, but when it comes to dealing with his fellow man...
Originally by: Karanth Or, in other words, random people can't usurp rights from government because they are insane/bitter/vengeful/made of potato salad.
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Leowen
Industrial Giants
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Posted - 2009.09.01 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Frenden Dax
What? If anything Ray has skyrocketed to near the top of my 'people I trust' list, along with Shar and Cosmoray. All three can be abrasive and crude at times, but they are professional and honest when it matters, and to hell with reputations or appeasing everyone. Ray should accrue no blame from this at all, since he parachuted in after the damage was already there. All he's done since then is work to pick up the pieces (a thankless and profitless task) and endure flaming and abuse from almost everyone.
IF the damage was actually already there.
Personally, I struggle to believe anything I read on this without a huge handful of salt. There is something very wrong about all of this, something stinks. I am in no position to blame anyone individually, but I think any throwing of wreathes at the feet of any EBANK staff past or present is a bit of a silly thing to do in the circiumstances.
Sorry Ray and others who may or may not be blameless, nothing personal, but the naivety that continues to be shown in this forum is shocking.
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Roguehalo
Caldari RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2009.09.01 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Frenden Dax Edited by: Frenden Dax on 01/09/2009 05:51:27
Originally by: glas mir I should add that depending how the current situation plays out, I may add Ray to that list.
What? If anything Ray has skyrocketed to near the top of my 'people I trust' list, along with Shar and Cosmoray. All three can be abrasive and crude at times, but they are professional and honest when it matters, and to hell with reputations or appeasing everyone. Ray should accrue no blame from this at all, since he parachuted in after the damage was already there. All he's done since then is work to pick up the pieces (a thankless and profitless task) and endure flaming and abuse from almost everyone.
I'd say the person in whom I seem to have placed too much trust is Hexxx, rather than Ray. I assumed that with Hexxx near the top of the EBANK power-structure, giving reports on the financial status of EBANK, he would take the time to ensure the accuracy of the information he was passing off as fact. Whether through laziness or mistaken trust in Ricdic, this validation did not occur. While of course no one is stupid enough to accuse Hexxx of stealing isk or deliberately falsifying information, I would be loathe to trust Hexxx's judgment on the financial status of any further ventures. As a theory-crafter he is without peer, but when it comes to dealing with his fellow man...
Why on earth are you apportioning all the blame to Hexxx and none to Shar.?
Shar is probably the most culpable in all of this since he was a complete failure in everything he was supposed to do.
How much isk flowed into Ebank on the basis that Shar was 'overseeing' it?
How much isk did customers fail to withdraw because Shar never once warned that Ebank might be insolvent?
Shars warnings were little more than 'I'm fed up with all these rows I'm out'
Shar has now been 'associated' with 2 banks both of which were apocalyptic failures
Nothing to do with him though.
Only marginally less culpable is Lavista Vista
Obviously the concept of collective responsibility is something totally alien to him. But hey he's only a kid so that's alright then.
And if anybody ever invests a single solitary isk in Selenes new bank they need their head examining.
Like I said in another thread these people need to fold up their tents and slink off into the night.
Remember this figure :-
1,200,000,000,000 isk lost
I believe Ebank currently has 46b 'on hand'
And some people think Ray can use this 46b to make them all their money back in 12-18 months.
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Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.09.01 08:14:00 -
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I just read the OP, and I would like to say:
Thanks! A very dull and boring workday has been lightened up by a good bout of heartfelt laughter
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.09.01 08:55:00 -
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This seems personal not rational but I'm going to answer you one time and one time only: Originally by: Roguehalo How much isk flowed into Ebank on the basis that Shar was 'overseeing' it?
Wow, you've gone from "Shar is nothing and a nobody" to "Shar is everything". But I guess you might say that 700 billion on my name alone. ( Yeah, right) 700 billion was how much eBank was holding when I publicly raised some flags about process. At the time there was no insolvency just a pattern of carelessness and disregard. That may have led to insolvency further down the road but I got off the train before the conductors wrecked it. Originally by: Roguehalo How much isk did customers fail to withdraw because Shar never once warned that Ebank might be insolvent?
I had no way of knowing eBank was insolvent 6 - 12 months after I left. See I realize that having never left mommy's basement you don't understand what happens when someone "leaves". You don't get to read the mail or see the bickering. If Daddy beats Mommy in a drunken rage because sonny boy spent all the liquor money on magic beans... Oh wait I'm digressing onto you and away from eBank. I specifically warned that "process" and "control" were not being put into place or being followed where such things had been designed. Any professional will tell you that if you can not backtrack, document, and/or reproduce your results... success is pure luck and a **** poor way to run a railroad. Originally by: Roguehalo Shar has now been 'associated' with 2 banks both of which were apocalyptic failures
Indeed though I think associated is a very very loose term. I deposited some crap into an outhouse built by the army corp of engineers 20 years or so ago. If you find it today does that mean I'm freshly associated with: Ft Leonard Wood, US Army, The Corp of Engineers, The Septic Tank Guy, and possibly the oil strike on that spot 2 million years from now? I did not work for Dynasty Bank mind you. I was helping to put into place oversight. The minute something was found I reported it to the public. I don't know if Dynasty Bank was insolvent or not. Public still got ripped off (as so did I). Originally by: Roguehalo Nothing to do with him though.
We go back to either I am nothing, like you often like to say, or I am something. Pick one dammit. Originally by: Roguehalo Shar is probably the most culpable in all of this since he was a complete failure in everything he was supposed to do.
Since we are drafting things from thin air I'd like to say "Roguehalo has been my real life lover for the past two years. The way he licks my sweaty sack just drives me wild." As far as being a complete failure: Yes, I agree. I could have done more to protect the public. Perhaps I could have spent my time hacking their accounts to take their isk away from them so that they could not be stupid and deposit into eBank after I said, "Whoa Nellie, something is starting to stink." I could've been a complete turd like you and trolled each and every eBank thread over and over and over and over... (get the idea) ... until finally the public stopped giving them more and more and more. You do realize that eBank was at 700 billion when I left and the public, after I said things were starting to go off track, gave them 200% more isk (2.1 T) as a reward? Originally by: Roguehalo Why on earth are you apportioning all the blame to Hexxx and none to Shar.?
I think what everyone is doing is simply pointing out what each person has done. I blew a whistle and walked away... poor I might add. In that regard, I'm guilty as charged. May I ask, how much do you still have deposited in eBank? And do you mistakenly think that just because I have integrity that I am going to somehow save you from your own idiocy? I have to tell you, pointedly, that the non-stop trolling of Shar Tegral has brought about more realistic philosophy: Live and let die, my good man, or let whine.
See my twitterings about Eve Online. Be the first to hear me toot.
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Roguehalo
Caldari RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2009.09.01 09:16:00 -
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Shar.........your bleating ad nauseum that "it wasn't my fault" is getting old
In fact it's nauseating
Bout time you dumped your arrogance and ate a huge heap of humble pie
Btw I didn't read your reply to my last post
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.09.01 10:18:00 -
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Yes, I so spend my time beating upon others about how damn good I am. (Puhleez)
By not reading my response one us got owned. I'm quite at peace with that I might add.
I'm not fooled by you I hope you realize. You like to troll and essentially you think that getting a response from me is a success. It is but not for you. Every time you troll me I respond but not to you. I respond to all the people out there, >taps on the monitor<, with what I want to say about myself... and a little about you.
So go ahead, think yourself big little man. You, and your ilk, simply provide me the soap box with which to preach my message.
See you later, jenius!
See my twitterings about Eve Online. Be the first to hear me toot.
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species2143
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Posted - 2009.09.01 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo Shar.........your bleating ad nauseum that "it wasn't my fault" is getting old
In fact it's nauseating
Bout time you dumped your arrogance and ate a huge heap of humble pie
Btw I didn't read your reply to my last post
Care to back-up your previous accusations? I'm not taking sides here but from I've read it confirms what shar is saying, yet I am yet to see any facts in your accusations.
It's starting to look more and more like there's personal motivations behind these accusations. If that is the case then you're not only making yourself look like a ret4rd but also dimishing the credibility of the real accusations addressed to the right people.
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Leowen
Industrial Giants
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Posted - 2009.09.01 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: HawkBlade
Yes, I so spend my time beating upon others about how damn good I am. (Puhleez)
....
You like to troll and essentially you think that getting a response from me is a success. It is but not for you. Every time you troll me I respond but not to you. I respond to all the people out there, >taps on the monitor<, with what I want to say about myself... and a little about you.
So go ahead, think yourself big little man. You, and your ilk, simply provide me the soap box with which to preach my message.
Is it just me, or is there more than a smidgeon of hypocrisy at play here?
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.09.01 12:01:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Solisk Block, any idea when you'll be able to release a compiled list of your findings?
I'm also curious as to how much cooperation you're receiving from Ebank staff, former and current.
I have no deadline at this time.
Currently, IÆm in the process of collecting evidence and attempting to communicate with various individuals that I think will further the investigation.
Yes, I have received help from former EBANK Directors.
If anyone has any information regarding EBANK finances, please contact me or eve-mail me. Your help will be greatly appreciated.
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.01 12:09:00 -
[216]
I look forward to seeing the results of your evidence.
(As an aside, this thread has lead to some heated discussions on voice regarding RP in Eve, whether this thread is intended RP (I dont think it is)..also regarding international maritime law (whether it applies in Eve due to RP restrictions...again, I dont think it does, even if it applies in space IRL)
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.09.01 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Leowen Is it just me, or is there more than a smidgeon of hypocrisy at play here?
Truly told, it's you. I don't think myself that worthy. However plenty of people make me relevant ( against my wishes). I can't control their delusions but I can recognize the cause of them. In essence, you want to reduce my impact (as much as I do) stop dragging me into the middle of drama. Which also means stop trolling me. Vicious cycle it is. I'd love to be treated like some half wit old gaffer who is only mildly tolerated when he opens his gob and wheezes. So the hypocrisy, indeed, is your subtle troll. You should have just ignored me but you didn't because you think me relevant. I disagree but I have no alternative other than to react to your acting ... out. So simple even the simple don't get.
See my twitterings about Eve Online. Be the first to hear me toot.
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Leowen
Industrial Giants
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Posted - 2009.09.01 12:42:00 -
[218]
Originally by: HawkBlade
Originally by: Leowen Is it just me, or is there more than a smidgeon of hypocrisy at play here?
You should have just ignored me but you didn't because you think me relevant. I disagree but I have no alternative other than to react to your acting ... out.
Ah. Actually no I don't think you relevant at all. Arrogant, deluded, hypocritical, patronising, and a little bit sad, all yes. But relevant I'm afraid is a no.
For fear of further stroking your incredibly misguided ego I will avoid posting in response to you in future, and instead just chuckle amusedly to myself. Leaving you to the very important business of being you.
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Daeva Vios
New Eden Credit Bureau
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Posted - 2009.09.01 16:23:00 -
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Wow. I take a week off and the forum blows up.
I love this game.
I would be interested in sponsoring countersuits all around in addition to signing up for the class action suit as a plaintiff. I will put 1 isk and a batch of last week's waffles toward retaining legal counsel.
For what it's worth, I think you're relevant Shar. ------------------------------------- NECB |
Akuma Gouki
Amarr Divine Power. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.09.01 20:01:00 -
[220]
what
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Gabriel Virtus
hirr
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Posted - 2009.09.01 22:03:00 -
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This is quite wonderful. Thank you Block for this. A++ would read again.
/me watches as various people obviously responsible for the scam of over 1.2T+ isk try and escape the scam with their reputations intact.
Selene - He was there to audit, he resigned after a while due to not enough information. As a competent auditor, he clearly had no idea how bad the situation at Ebank was only a few months before accounts are frozen. Does anyone else smell that kind of BS? You had a duty as auditor to hint of the real reasons why you resigned from Ebank, you are either part of the scam or completely and utterly incompetent. GL with that new bank (rofl).
LVV & Athre- I am sure that both of you had no idea the problems at EBank and were merely watchers as the largest scam in EVE history unfolded under you. You guys are surely without any blame.
Frankly, the BoD past and present can either plead incompetence or guilt. This is after post after post and reply after reply of claiming that Ebank was safe (especially after RicdicÆs scam) Either way, you should never be trusted with other people's isk again, let alone overseeing the left over isk in order to recover.
The rest of you need to apologize to all the people you so clearly failed in this endeavor. Grow a pair like Hexxx did and just apologize and surrender your assets to help fix the problem that you created.
This isn't about drama, although it is definitely fascinating and entertaining. This is about answer to those that you so clearly failed their trust.
Grow a pair. -GV
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.01 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Virtus This is quite wonderful. Thank you Block for this. A++ would read again.
/me watches as various people obviously responsible for the scam of over 1.2T+ isk try and escape the scam with their reputations intact.
Selene - He was there to audit, he resigned after a while due to not enough information. As a competent auditor, he clearly had no idea how bad the situation at Ebank was only a few months before accounts are frozen. Does anyone else smell that kind of BS? You had a duty as auditor to hint of the real reasons why you resigned from Ebank, you are either part of the scam or completely and utterly incompetent. GL with that new bank (rofl).
LVV & Athre- I am sure that both of you had no idea the problems at EBank and were merely watchers as the largest scam in EVE history unfolded under you. You guys are surely without any blame.
Frankly, the BoD past and present can either plead incompetence or guilt. This is after post after post and reply after reply of claiming that Ebank was safe (especially after RicdicÆs scam) Either way, you should never be trusted with other people's isk again, let alone overseeing the left over isk in order to recover.
The rest of you need to apologize to all the people you so clearly failed in this endeavor. Grow a pair like Hexxx did and just apologize and surrender your assets to help fix the problem that you created.
This isn't about drama, although it is definitely fascinating and entertaining. This is about answer to those that you so clearly failed their trust.
Grow a pair. -GV
No need to grow what I've had for years.
EBANK - Advisor | www.eve-bank.net
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Daeva Vios
New Eden Credit Bureau
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Posted - 2009.09.01 23:10:00 -
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It is surprising what a year away from the game can do to one's perspective.
I think a few folks here might benefit from such a break. Explore the internet in depth in your absence. Plumb its depths, and learn from what you bring up.
There are new people in this forum that I've come to know in my short time back, and it's been pretty easy to figure out who fills what roles among this new crowd. Among the old crowd, a few surprises, and many of them quite pleasant.
I can honestly say that I do believe I have received my money's worth. ------------------------------------- NECB |
Auri Hella
Downwind Trading Guild
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Posted - 2009.09.01 23:24:00 -
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I'm immensely entertained by this thread. Do keep it up.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.09.11 22:27:00 -
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I'm still looking for relevant EBANK finance records, please contact me or eve-mail me. Your help will be greatly appreciated.
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.09.12 04:41:00 -
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Instead of teasing your or mocking you I'm just going to ask: How far along are you?
TBH I still find this semi-ludicrous in nature but I also don't want to be totally ignorant by dismissing you out of hand. So I'll be clear: I'm curious at what your deductions (and proofs) will be.
PS: This 5 min timer is bloody hindering for us 1 account poster(s).
See my twitterings about Eve Online. Be the first to hear me toot.
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Ray McCormack
Kisoken Innovations
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Posted - 2009.09.12 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Block Ukx I'm still looking for relevant EBANK finance records, please contact me or eve-mail me. Your help will be greatly appreciated.
https://www.eve-bank.net/Investimigation/
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.09.12 10:42:00 -
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Quote:
Well a hell of a lot of board members don't seem to be responsible for ANYTHING at EBANK
Isn't this the usual I won (when all goes well) but we lost (when does not go well and responsibility is ping ponged about)?
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No need to grow what I've had for years.
Hey, you could grow a second pair, you never know when you could need more steam ;P
Quote: I should add that depending how the current situation plays out, I may add Ray to that list.
I am with Frenden Dax on this.
Ray may be "raw" (like I am or others are) but he's the newly arrived doctor in the house, not the old malady.
So far - despite I don't agree with him on a couple of things - he has done very well and with a zeal I'd not pour in for sure in "probably lost cause".
So keep him out of the mud, it's just too easy to put all in the same cauldron.
- Auditing and consulting
Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:44:00 -
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This threat makes me feel a little bit more proud of who I am, and a little bit more ashamed of the rest of humanity. ----------------
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.09.22 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: HawkBlade Instead of teasing your or mocking you I'm just going to ask: How far along are you?
After 10 more days of silence I'm beginning to debate my policy on this matter. Perhaps I should run around making "look@me-look@me" threads filled with "Anyone seen Block? I heard he choked on his bile and I'm worried I might get charged with his death!!!!!oneoneohnoesbatmaneleventyone!!!!"
See my twitterings about Eve Online. Be the first to hear me toot.
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