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Faife Minmatar Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.08.28 15:55:00 - [1] dear people who are awesome enough to code automatic influence/sov maps: could you set one up so that instead of counting outposts/stations/sov, it primarly counts mineral moons? the weighing would be dynamic to reflect the jita profit possible from that moon, with some afterthoughts to outposts/sov. i realize that this will have very little resemblance to what appears on the "Sovereignty" line next to the system name in EVE proper, and will not be 100% accurate since there are other methods of massive isk income, but i think it would be a more accurate representation of who really runs bartertown. if nothing else, please consider it. ty. in before "high ends are supersecret, you'll never get my list " -- Check out my EVE cartoons
Betty Boom Caldari Zahn Consortuim death from above..	Posted - 2009.08.28 16:42:00 - [2] http://evemaps.dotlan.net/ Something like this exists.
Ykatni Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.08.28 16:44:00 - [3] Edited by: Ykatni on 28/08/2009 16:45:47 http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/moons It's only accurate based on the source of the moon scans, but it is pretty damn close when compared to my scan results for a few regions. It is not complete, but you can tell that from the data coverage column.
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.08.28 17:00:00 - [4] The dotlan moon tables are pretty accurate. Only found a few little errors, the more reports he gets the more this tool will be valuable for all. The Dark is Rising... Non EVE related content removed. Zymurgist
Faife Minmatar Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.08.28 17:13:00 - [5] Originally by: Betty Boom http://evemaps.dotlan.net/ Something like this exists. dotlan doesn't tell you who owns the moons, just who owns the sov in the systems. those two are not the same, specially in low sec :P -- Check out my EVE cartoons
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.08.28 17:19:00 - [6] Originally by: Faife Originally by: Betty Boom http://evemaps.dotlan.net/ Something like this exists. dotlan doesn't tell you who owns the moons, just who owns the sov in the systems. those two are not the same, specially in low sec :P Half the fun of scouting moons is warping in and then facepalming when its owned by PL. The Dark is Rising... Non EVE related content removed. Zymurgist
Morvyn Caldari Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.08.28 17:30:00 - [7] I have to say I like this idea, but it's simply not practical from a development standpoint. The fact that CCP provides no API for applications to find out: 1) Which moons have which minerals in them. 2) Average market prices on things (eve-central kind of does this, but CCP really needs to release their own API for it; eve-central kind of sucks tbqfh). 3) Who has a tower anchored on each moon (and whether or not they actually have a moon miner anchored & onlined). Not to mention the fact that the amount of profit from moons can vary quite a bit depending on what the person mining it does with it -- sell it straight, simple react it and then sell it, do a full-on complex reaction and then sell it, or go all the way to T2 components or even T2 modules/ships... Honestly the only way this would be even partly "possible" is if all the major alliances reported what moons they owned and their locations, along with how much profit they made off the moons -- and that isn't going to happen, because high end moons are totally-super-sekrit.
Cors Gallente It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.08.28 23:13:00 - [8] I'd be happy for a map that shows the sov of systems, and links them, but does NOT give extra range due to Outposts and such. Some alliance's in 0.0 you can't even SEE their space on the maps, due to them having only one outpost where an adjoining alliance may have 10, and the "influence" from the 10 overides the one. Basically a sov map that shows the actual borders between sov holding entities.
R0ot Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.28 23:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Faife Originally by: Betty Boom http://evemaps.dotlan.net/ Something like this exists. dotlan doesn't tell you who owns the moons, just who owns the sov in the systems. those two are not the same, specially in low sec :P Half the fun of scouting moons is warping in and then facepalming when its owned by PL. It's funny because it's true. ...
VCBee2888 Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.29 00:07:00 - [10] keeping entries for hundreds of moons up to date sounds like a lot of "fun" for whoever gets to maintain this theoretical map
Ruth Liss Caldari Titan Industries Technology Team Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.08.29 01:40:00 - [11] The Dotlan numbers are decent but for instance they are missing 3 entire regions of high ends in the drone regions. Malpais has some, Outer Passage has some and Cobalt Edge have some.
Bismaru's Ambition Amarr Trigrams Edge	Posted - 2009.08.29 01:42:00 - [12] What happened to doing powerblocs? Why arent they done anymore, I liked them, made it easier to see who was scared of who,..
R0ot Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.29 02:49:00 - [13] Originally by: Bismaru's Ambition What happened to doing powerblocs? Why arent they done anymore, I liked them, made it easier to see who was scared of who,.. Well you see what happened there was goons killed bob and .... oh oh oh I see what you did there ... very clever ...
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.08.29 04:46:00 - [14] Good idea it just has a small drawback. How do you automate the moon scanning? The sov data is automatically gathered each day from the Eve API. Moon ownership is not exported.
Menton Cariner Amarr BlackSun Industries	Posted - 2009.08.29 04:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Bismaru's Ambition What happened to doing powerblocs? Why arent they done anymore, I liked them, made it easier to see who was scared of who,.. U mad
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.08.29 05:24:00 - [16] Originally by: Menton Cariner Originally by: Bismaru's Ambition What happened to doing powerblocs? Why arent they done anymore, I liked them, made it easier to see who was scared of who,.. U mad Yes. Absolutely frustratimated. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Holy Lowlander Amarr Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.08.29 07:09:00 - [17] I doubt this map is complete tbh (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/moons)(and that is only highend wise) Cache , Cobalt Edge , Curse , Great Wildlands , Outer Passage , Periggen Falls, The spire not having any highend moons at all can't be correct , can it ? And are branch , tenal and tribute really that low on highendmoons ? _______________ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
BiaXia Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.29 07:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Holy Lowlander I doubt this map is complete tbh (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/moons)(and that is only highend wise) Cache , Cobalt Edge , Curse , Great Wildlands , Outer Passage , Periggen Falls, The spire not having any highend moons at all can't be correct , can it ? And are branch , tenal and tribute really that low on highendmoons ? The dotlan is hardly reliable when it comes to high-end counts, it's all information compiled from outside sources. I think a good amount of that info comes from leaked info here and there. Places that change hands more often tend to have the more reliable info, as more people know where the high-ends are. Branch, Tenal and Tribute haven't really changed hands that often. I think the closest any of them have come to being in any real danger was the MAX campaign, and I believe that only just barely scratched into Tribute before it fizzled. Places like Deklein, Cloud Ring, and most of the central southern regions have changed hands a good number of times, so that info is better known.
Cors Gallente It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.08.29 14:51:00 - [19] Was there not an EVE DB Export or something that showed all the Moon locations/types somewhere somewhen?
Creed Demastikus Minmatar Bregan Dearthe United Front Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.29 19:11:00 - [20] i missed "Joshua Foiritain" style map :( it was eye candy.. okay sometimes its favors bob etc but still it was good i'm not saying current ones bad or something but that map ( That Map ) was realy making things easy to see. and there was marks on it for titan lose etc who attacking who, who with who, who agaisnt who,
Tanx0r Caldari Sacred Templars Atropos.	Posted - 2009.08.30 00:09:00 - [21] Edited by: Tanx0r on 30/08/2009 00:10:48 The EVE API holds dynamic sov info per solarsystem and per constellation only. The EVE database dump holds static information on amounts of moons in orbit of each planet in each solarsystem. It also holds information on what type of star and which types of planets there are in each solarsystem. If those say anything about the type of stuff you can harvest from the moons surrounding those planets I do not know. Haven't been looking at the database dumps for a looooong time now. Edit: typo Linkage to nberleet alliance info and sovereignty maps0rs!!!
Faife Minmatar Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.08.30 00:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Tanx0r Edited by: Tanx0r on 30/08/2009 00:10:48 The EVE API holds dynamic sov info per solarsystem and per constellation only. The EVE database dump holds static information on amounts of moons in orbit of each planet in each solarsystem. It also holds information on what type of star and which types of planets there are in each solarsystem. If those say anything about the type of stuff you can harvest from the moons surrounding those planets I do not know. Haven't been looking at the database dumps for a looooong time now. Edit: typo to my understanding, you can't. it'd either require a rewrite of the API export to show moon sov (fat chance), or work like the list of all known titans (nightmarish, but possible) -- Check out my EVE cartoons
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.08.30 02:04:00 - [23] At least as far as the current influence map is concerned, this is entirely doable. The meat of the code is drawing, it's very easy to rewrite the "who has sov here" bits to count moons instead. It's a weekend project, at the longest. As others have pointed out, the problems are related to getting the information, not displaying it. I have no way to query who actually owns any given moon - the best I can do is look at sovereignty. I have a similar problem with stations, so I just default to basing it off of who has sov there since it's rare that the sov holder isn't the station holder. For moons, this probably isn't reliable enough. I also don't have a list of moons. Without a good list (and Dotlan probably isn't good enough) the map probably wouldn't be accurate enough to matter. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf

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