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Majin Buu	Posted - 2004.10.17 19:48:00 - [31] had both amarr assault frigs, sold them both within a day. They cannot compete with a well fitted inty because they are way to slow. yes they can toast any frig within seconds, but thats only when the frig comes to them. If they try to go up against a good inty pilot then they will die if they aint tanked properly. whats the point of buying an assault frig so you can tank it like a cruiser when its alot cheaper just to go out and buy a cruiser? BoB KillBoard
Majin Buu	Posted - 2004.10.17 19:48:00 - [32] had both amarr assault frigs, sold them both within a day. They cannot compete with a well fitted inty because they are way to slow. yes they can toast any frig within seconds, but thats only when the frig comes to them. If they try to go up against a good inty pilot then they will die if they aint tanked properly. whats the point of buying an assault frig so you can tank it like a cruiser when its alot cheaper just to go out and buy a cruiser? BoB KillBoard
Meridius	Posted - 2004.10.17 20:14:00 - [33] Originally by: Majin Buu had both amarr assault frigs, sold them both within a day. They cannot compete with a well fitted inty because they are way to slow. yes they can toast any frig within seconds, but thats only when the frig comes to them. If they try to go up against a good inty pilot then they will die if they aint tanked properly. whats the point of buying an assault frig so you can tank it like a cruiser when its alot cheaper just to go out and buy a cruiser? There is no point. Some would argue that these ships have a use. These people are stupid and should be ignored. Note, i am mainly talking about the amarr assault frigs. I'm pretty sure most of the others are just as useless but i cannot back that up with real experience. ________________________________________________________
Meridius	Posted - 2004.10.17 20:14:00 - [34] Originally by: Majin Buu had both amarr assault frigs, sold them both within a day. They cannot compete with a well fitted inty because they are way to slow. yes they can toast any frig within seconds, but thats only when the frig comes to them. If they try to go up against a good inty pilot then they will die if they aint tanked properly. whats the point of buying an assault frig so you can tank it like a cruiser when its alot cheaper just to go out and buy a cruiser? There is no point. Some would argue that these ships have a use. These people are stupid and should be ignored. Note, i am mainly talking about the amarr assault frigs. I'm pretty sure most of the others are just as useless but i cannot back that up with real experience. ________________________________________________________
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2004.10.17 20:15:00 - [35] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 17/10/2004 20:19:48 Not to mention being able to insure that cruiser fully, as opposed to roughly 5% of its market value as it is with the assault frigates. Oh, and everything assault frigates do, cruisers with oversized ABs do twice as well. Amarr assault frigates are broken ships. Anyone saying different is stupid and wrong. edit: Heh, Mer. Good timing.
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2004.10.17 20:15:00 - [36] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 17/10/2004 20:19:48 Not to mention being able to insure that cruiser fully, as opposed to roughly 5% of its market value as it is with the assault frigates. Oh, and everything assault frigates do, cruisers with oversized ABs do twice as well. Amarr assault frigates are broken ships. Anyone saying different is stupid and wrong. edit: Heh, Mer. Good timing.
Slithereen	Posted - 2004.10.17 23:31:00 - [37] Assaults need some dev loving to bring down the price. I also prefer that they just be given a flat 50% on every armor dmg type, except EMP which is left at 60%, so they don't need to be race specific for PvP. This will make them deal better against a wider range of targets. _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
Slithereen	Posted - 2004.10.17 23:31:00 - [38] Assaults need some dev loving to bring down the price. I also prefer that they just be given a flat 50% on every armor dmg type, except EMP which is left at 60%, so they don't need to be race specific for PvP. This will make them deal better against a wider range of targets. _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
Raven Norsca	Posted - 2004.10.18 06:24:00 - [39] Edited by: Raven Norsca on 18/10/2004 06:27:27 Originally by: Majin Buu had both amarr assault frigs, sold them both within a day. They cannot compete with a well fitted inty because they are way to slow. yes they can toast any frig within seconds, but thats only when the frig comes to them. If they try to go up against a good inty pilot then they will die if they aint tanked properly. whats the point of buying an assault frig so you can tank it like a cruiser when its alot cheaper just to go out and buy a cruiser? Riiight and what's the average range of a INty? point blank?? yeah I thought so. a INty can't do anything but be a scout when it can't be close. as For buying a cruiser. cause a cruiser is BIG large weapons don't hit AF cause they're small sneaky craft. I've flown both the Vengeance and the Ishkur. the Ishkur eats intys alive with its guns and drones while the Vengeance does the same thing but a bit closer up. These ships have uses it's just inty pilots trying to rig them up like intys and saying they suck... that'd be like equipping a BS like a cruiser and saying it blows. THINK DIFFRENTLY
Raven Norsca	Posted - 2004.10.18 06:24:00 - [40] Edited by: Raven Norsca on 18/10/2004 06:27:27 Originally by: Majin Buu had both amarr assault frigs, sold them both within a day. They cannot compete with a well fitted inty because they are way to slow. yes they can toast any frig within seconds, but thats only when the frig comes to them. If they try to go up against a good inty pilot then they will die if they aint tanked properly. whats the point of buying an assault frig so you can tank it like a cruiser when its alot cheaper just to go out and buy a cruiser? Riiight and what's the average range of a INty? point blank?? yeah I thought so. a INty can't do anything but be a scout when it can't be close. as For buying a cruiser. cause a cruiser is BIG large weapons don't hit AF cause they're small sneaky craft. I've flown both the Vengeance and the Ishkur. the Ishkur eats intys alive with its guns and drones while the Vengeance does the same thing but a bit closer up. These ships have uses it's just inty pilots trying to rig them up like intys and saying they suck... that'd be like equipping a BS like a cruiser and saying it blows. THINK DIFFRENTLY

Meridius	Posted - 2004.10.18 07:19:00 - [41] Originally by: Raven Norsca Riiight and what's the average range of a INty? point blank?? yeah I thought so. a INty can't do anything but be a scout when it can't be close. as For buying a cruiser. cause a cruiser is BIG large weapons don't hit AF cause they're small sneaky craft. I've flown both the Vengeance and the Ishkur. the Ishkur eats intys alive with its guns and drones while the Vengeance does the same thing but a bit closer up. These ships have uses it's just inty pilots trying to rig them up like intys and saying they suck... that'd be like equipping a BS like a cruiser and saying it blows. THINK DIFFRENTLY ________________________________________________________
Meridius	Posted - 2004.10.18 07:19:00 - [42] Originally by: Raven Norsca Riiight and what's the average range of a INty? point blank?? yeah I thought so. a INty can't do anything but be a scout when it can't be close. as For buying a cruiser. cause a cruiser is BIG large weapons don't hit AF cause they're small sneaky craft. I've flown both the Vengeance and the Ishkur. the Ishkur eats intys alive with its guns and drones while the Vengeance does the same thing but a bit closer up. These ships have uses it's just inty pilots trying to rig them up like intys and saying they suck... that'd be like equipping a BS like a cruiser and saying it blows. THINK DIFFRENTLY ________________________________________________________
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.10.18 07:51:00 - [43] Assault Frigates are so cool but are severely gimped by two things 1) Their price 2) Everything an assault frigate can do, an interceptor can do faster and cheaper. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.10.18 07:51:00 - [44] Assault Frigates are so cool but are severely gimped by two things 1) Their price 2) Everything an assault frigate can do, an interceptor can do faster and cheaper. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Cruz	Posted - 2004.10.18 09:03:00 - [45] Edited by: Cruz on 18/10/2004 09:05:52 I dunno, but I think the amarr assault frigates are at least somewhat useful. Look at it this way A retribution with 4 med pulse IIs a tracking comp, and a small rep II + 1 hardeners + 4 damage mods could make mincemeat out of any interceptor that came nearby it. It doesnt have to move fast if the other ship is moving fast towards you :-D then again, all I have right now is a crusader, still waiting on skills for retribution, and then the isk... .................
Cruz	Posted - 2004.10.18 09:03:00 - [46] Edited by: Cruz on 18/10/2004 09:05:52 I dunno, but I think the amarr assault frigates are at least somewhat useful. Look at it this way A retribution with 4 med pulse IIs a tracking comp, and a small rep II + 1 hardeners + 4 damage mods could make mincemeat out of any interceptor that came nearby it. It doesnt have to move fast if the other ship is moving fast towards you :-D then again, all I have right now is a crusader, still waiting on skills for retribution, and then the isk... .................
Meridius	Posted - 2004.10.18 09:56:00 - [47] Originally by: Cruz Edited by: Cruz on 18/10/2004 09:05:52 I dunno, but I think the amarr assault frigates are at least somewhat useful. Look at it this way A retribution with 4 med pulse IIs a tracking comp, and a small rep II + 1 hardeners + 4 damage mods could make mincemeat out of any interceptor that came nearby it. It doesnt have to move fast if the other ship is moving fast towards you :-D then again, all I have right now is a crusader, still waiting on skills for retribution, and then the isk... GG fitting 4x med pulse II and 4x dmg mods ________________________________________________________
Meridius	Posted - 2004.10.18 09:56:00 - [48] Originally by: Cruz Edited by: Cruz on 18/10/2004 09:05:52 I dunno, but I think the amarr assault frigates are at least somewhat useful. Look at it this way A retribution with 4 med pulse IIs a tracking comp, and a small rep II + 1 hardeners + 4 damage mods could make mincemeat out of any interceptor that came nearby it. It doesnt have to move fast if the other ship is moving fast towards you :-D then again, all I have right now is a crusader, still waiting on skills for retribution, and then the isk... GG fitting 4x med pulse II and 4x dmg mods ________________________________________________________
ZelRox	Posted - 2004.10.18 10:05:00 - [49] Crusader any1 ? ;) ---------------------- I wanna tuc tuc ..
ZelRox	Posted - 2004.10.18 10:05:00 - [50] Crusader any1 ? ;) ---------------------- I wanna tuc tuc ..

Majin Buu	Posted - 2004.10.18 11:18:00 - [51] Originally by: Raven Norsca Edited by: Raven Norsca on 18/10/2004 06:27:27 Originally by: Majin Buu had both amarr assault frigs, sold them both within a day. They cannot compete with a well fitted inty because they are way to slow. yes they can toast any frig within seconds, but thats only when the frig comes to them. If they try to go up against a good inty pilot then they will die if they aint tanked properly. whats the point of buying an assault frig so you can tank it like a cruiser when its alot cheaper just to go out and buy a cruiser? Riiight and what's the average range of a INty? point blank?? yeah I thought so. a INty can't do anything but be a scout when it can't be close. as For buying a cruiser. cause a cruiser is BIG large weapons don't hit AF cause they're small sneaky craft. I've flown both the Vengeance and the Ishkur. the Ishkur eats intys alive with its guns and drones while the Vengeance does the same thing but a bit closer up. These ships have uses it's just inty pilots trying to rig them up like intys and saying they suck... that'd be like equipping a BS like a cruiser and saying it blows. THINK DIFFRENTLY From this i can tell you have only ever had 1 setup on a inty. before posting such comments plz take the time to test diff setups as it will save you alot of embarassement. Intys are great fighters close up, but they can also be great fighters at long range. what can assault ships be?? In a fight 3 assault frigs vs 3 intys i would put my isk on intys. BoB KillBoard
Majin Buu	Posted - 2004.10.18 11:18:00 - [52] Originally by: Raven Norsca Edited by: Raven Norsca on 18/10/2004 06:27:27 Originally by: Majin Buu had both amarr assault frigs, sold them both within a day. They cannot compete with a well fitted inty because they are way to slow. yes they can toast any frig within seconds, but thats only when the frig comes to them. If they try to go up against a good inty pilot then they will die if they aint tanked properly. whats the point of buying an assault frig so you can tank it like a cruiser when its alot cheaper just to go out and buy a cruiser? Riiight and what's the average range of a INty? point blank?? yeah I thought so. a INty can't do anything but be a scout when it can't be close. as For buying a cruiser. cause a cruiser is BIG large weapons don't hit AF cause they're small sneaky craft. I've flown both the Vengeance and the Ishkur. the Ishkur eats intys alive with its guns and drones while the Vengeance does the same thing but a bit closer up. These ships have uses it's just inty pilots trying to rig them up like intys and saying they suck... that'd be like equipping a BS like a cruiser and saying it blows. THINK DIFFRENTLY From this i can tell you have only ever had 1 setup on a inty. before posting such comments plz take the time to test diff setups as it will save you alot of embarassement. Intys are great fighters close up, but they can also be great fighters at long range. what can assault ships be?? In a fight 3 assault frigs vs 3 intys i would put my isk on intys. BoB KillBoard
Majin Buu	Posted - 2004.10.18 11:20:00 - [53] Originally by: Cruz Edited by: Cruz on 18/10/2004 09:05:52 I dunno, but I think the amarr assault frigates are at least somewhat useful. Look at it this way A retribution with 4 med pulse IIs a tracking comp, and a small rep II + 1 hardeners + 4 damage mods could make mincemeat out of any interceptor that came nearby it. It doesnt have to move fast if the other ship is moving fast towards you :-D then again, all I have right now is a crusader, still waiting on skills for retribution, and then the isk... Keep your crusader. Thats what i have atm and its performing very well, infact alot better than any assault frig would BoB KillBoard
Majin Buu	Posted - 2004.10.18 11:20:00 - [54] Originally by: Cruz Edited by: Cruz on 18/10/2004 09:05:52 I dunno, but I think the amarr assault frigates are at least somewhat useful. Look at it this way A retribution with 4 med pulse IIs a tracking comp, and a small rep II + 1 hardeners + 4 damage mods could make mincemeat out of any interceptor that came nearby it. It doesnt have to move fast if the other ship is moving fast towards you :-D then again, all I have right now is a crusader, still waiting on skills for retribution, and then the isk... Keep your crusader. Thats what i have atm and its performing very well, infact alot better than any assault frig would BoB KillBoard
Harcole	Posted - 2004.10.18 15:53:00 - [55] Quote: From this i can tell you have only ever had 1 setup on a inty. before posting such comments plz take the time to test diff setups as it will save you alot of embarassement. Intys are great fighters close up, but they can also be great fighters at long range. what can assault ships be?? In a fight 3 assault frigs vs 3 intys i would put my isk on intys. I would disagree having taken on a crow one on one with my Vengeance and what happend? The crow ran like hell out to 60km thinking he would break lock... then tried running at me again at full speed. Its all down to set up and luck. I happened to have a sensor booster on board, apart from the fact I can lock an interceptor in 1.8 seconds the range is about 85km and when he came running at me I was hitting for around 50-70 damage per shot with 3 lasers... With the 3 medium slots you can stick on named disruptor and 2 webby's suddenly making one dead interceptor... How ever you get an interceptor set for combat at 20km + then the assualt ship can't do a right lot and should just warp out.
Harcole	Posted - 2004.10.18 15:53:00 - [56] Quote: From this i can tell you have only ever had 1 setup on a inty. before posting such comments plz take the time to test diff setups as it will save you alot of embarassement. Intys are great fighters close up, but they can also be great fighters at long range. what can assault ships be?? In a fight 3 assault frigs vs 3 intys i would put my isk on intys. I would disagree having taken on a crow one on one with my Vengeance and what happend? The crow ran like hell out to 60km thinking he would break lock... then tried running at me again at full speed. Its all down to set up and luck. I happened to have a sensor booster on board, apart from the fact I can lock an interceptor in 1.8 seconds the range is about 85km and when he came running at me I was hitting for around 50-70 damage per shot with 3 lasers... With the 3 medium slots you can stick on named disruptor and 2 webby's suddenly making one dead interceptor... How ever you get an interceptor set for combat at 20km + then the assualt ship can't do a right lot and should just warp out.
Raven Norsca	Posted - 2004.10.18 17:18:00 - [57] Edited by: Raven Norsca on 18/10/2004 17:29:54 Originally by: Majin Buu Originally by: Raven Norsca Edited by: Raven Norsca on 18/10/2004 06:27:27 Originally by: Majin Buu had both amarr assault frigs, sold them both within a day. They cannot compete with a well fitted inty because they are way to slow. yes they can toast any frig within seconds, but thats only when the frig comes to them. If they try to go up against a good inty pilot then they will die if they aint tanked properly. whats the point of buying an assault frig so you can tank it like a cruiser when its alot cheaper just to go out and buy a cruiser? Riiight and what's the average range of a INty? point blank?? yeah I thought so. a INty can't do anything but be a scout when it can't be close. as For buying a cruiser. cause a cruiser is BIG large weapons don't hit AF cause they're small sneaky craft. I've flown both the Vengeance and the Ishkur. the Ishkur eats intys alive with its guns and drones while the Vengeance does the same thing but a bit closer up. These ships have uses it's just inty pilots trying to rig them up like intys and saying they suck... that'd be like equipping a BS like a cruiser and saying it blows. THINK DIFFRENTLY From this i can tell you have only ever had 1 setup on a inty. before posting such comments plz take the time to test diff setups as it will save you alot of embarassement. Intys are great fighters close up, but they can also be great fighters at long range. what can assault ships be?? In a fight 3 assault frigs vs 3 intys i would put my isk on intys. right and perhaps you should look at the fact that AF have 10% optimal ranges meaning they can outrange a long range setup Inty. I used tech 2 Medium Beams and get optimal ranges in the 20k range while using ultraviolet, nevermind Infrared and Radio. My point was the standard INty setup calls for knife fighting which AF don't need speed to deal with, Crows tend to hang a bit further out because of the obvious range advantage of missiles and various longer ranged inty setups but that doesn't mean you can't rig a AF to fight long range just as easily. You can't sit here and say that a inty will win cause a few use long range. of course.. people's setups change. no Setup up is gonna uber pwn everyone. So saying a INty is better cause some use long range while what I suggested is short ranged is pure folly. I suggest you get off your high horse Majin Buu.. ooh and drop the DBZ name, that's just lame :)
Raven Norsca	Posted - 2004.10.18 17:18:00 - [58] Edited by: Raven Norsca on 18/10/2004 17:29:54 Originally by: Majin Buu Originally by: Raven Norsca Edited by: Raven Norsca on 18/10/2004 06:27:27 Originally by: Majin Buu had both amarr assault frigs, sold them both within a day. They cannot compete with a well fitted inty because they are way to slow. yes they can toast any frig within seconds, but thats only when the frig comes to them. If they try to go up against a good inty pilot then they will die if they aint tanked properly. whats the point of buying an assault frig so you can tank it like a cruiser when its alot cheaper just to go out and buy a cruiser? Riiight and what's the average range of a INty? point blank?? yeah I thought so. a INty can't do anything but be a scout when it can't be close. as For buying a cruiser. cause a cruiser is BIG large weapons don't hit AF cause they're small sneaky craft. I've flown both the Vengeance and the Ishkur. the Ishkur eats intys alive with its guns and drones while the Vengeance does the same thing but a bit closer up. These ships have uses it's just inty pilots trying to rig them up like intys and saying they suck... that'd be like equipping a BS like a cruiser and saying it blows. THINK DIFFRENTLY From this i can tell you have only ever had 1 setup on a inty. before posting such comments plz take the time to test diff setups as it will save you alot of embarassement. Intys are great fighters close up, but they can also be great fighters at long range. what can assault ships be?? In a fight 3 assault frigs vs 3 intys i would put my isk on intys. right and perhaps you should look at the fact that AF have 10% optimal ranges meaning they can outrange a long range setup Inty. I used tech 2 Medium Beams and get optimal ranges in the 20k range while using ultraviolet, nevermind Infrared and Radio. My point was the standard INty setup calls for knife fighting which AF don't need speed to deal with, Crows tend to hang a bit further out because of the obvious range advantage of missiles and various longer ranged inty setups but that doesn't mean you can't rig a AF to fight long range just as easily. You can't sit here and say that a inty will win cause a few use long range. of course.. people's setups change. no Setup up is gonna uber pwn everyone. So saying a INty is better cause some use long range while what I suggested is short ranged is pure folly. I suggest you get off your high horse Majin Buu.. ooh and drop the DBZ name, that's just lame :)
Cruz	Posted - 2004.10.18 18:07:00 - [59] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Cruz Edited by: Cruz on 18/10/2004 09:05:52 I dunno, but I think the amarr assault frigates are at least somewhat useful. Look at it this way A retribution with 4 med pulse IIs a tracking comp, and a small rep II + 1 hardeners + 4 damage mods could make mincemeat out of any interceptor that came nearby it. It doesnt have to move fast if the other ship is moving fast towards you :-D then again, all I have right now is a crusader, still waiting on skills for retribution, and then the isk... GG fitting 4x med pulse II and 4x dmg mods yeah the retribution of my dreams would have 6 low slots And enough CPU to fit all that. .................
Cruz	Posted - 2004.10.18 18:07:00 - [60] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Cruz Edited by: Cruz on 18/10/2004 09:05:52 I dunno, but I think the amarr assault frigates are at least somewhat useful. Look at it this way A retribution with 4 med pulse IIs a tracking comp, and a small rep II + 1 hardeners + 4 damage mods could make mincemeat out of any interceptor that came nearby it. It doesnt have to move fast if the other ship is moving fast towards you :-D then again, all I have right now is a crusader, still waiting on skills for retribution, and then the isk... GG fitting 4x med pulse II and 4x dmg mods yeah the retribution of my dreams would have 6 low slots And enough CPU to fit all that. .................



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