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Hunin Ravensong Skyel Industries Subspace Exploration Agency 3	Posted - 2012.06.02 16:05:00 - [61] - Quote Wow, 3 pages of arguing over if it's bannable for someone to last 4 seconds when concord shows up instead of 2...........
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1740	Posted - 2012.06.02 16:06:00 - [62] - Quote EVE Roy Mustang wrote: RubyPorto wrote: EVE Roy Mustang wrote: Pisov viet wrote: On another note, how about learning the game mechanism before creating a thread on imaginary exploits? One way to learn is to ask questions. Another is Google. Yet another is SiSi. Google: No interest sifting through the vast amount of bullshit on the internet when I can go to the forums and ask the question. Dont care about trolls. You cant post here if trolls bother you lol Sisi: Tried since 2012.05.10 to get CCP to activate any of my characters on Sisi but they cant figure out how apparently OP WANT INFORMATION NAO. OP TOO LAZY TO GET INFORMATION HIMSELF OP SMASH ANGRY You have gotten the answer, you didn't like it. Now you're pushing an agenda. Anyway, the proper way to ask about exploits is a petition, where a GM will be annoyed at you for wasting their time and give you the same answer as you got here. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
EVE Roy Mustang State War Academy Caldari State 13	Posted - 2012.06.02 16:08:00 - [63] - Quote EvilweaselSA wrote: your question has been answered troll troll troll Yes. As long as you die it doesnt matter how long you stay alive. So as long as you remember to turn everything of fat the end so you make sure you die, its still not an exploit. Good to know, thx
Roisin Saoirse Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 100	Posted - 2012.06.02 16:09:00 - [64] - Quote EVE Roy Mustang wrote: and yet the Battleship lasts long enough to get a couple more shots out... that doesnt sound at all like someone's abusing the system to get their ends does it? Titan, seconds Ive seen a video of it but I cant find it right now BS - longer A lot of the CONCORD-related videos I've seen were from before the buff they got a while ago. There was a good one with battleships RR-ing that lasted quite a while (was that Zombies? ICR).
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1740	Posted - 2012.06.02 16:10:00 - [65] - Quote EVE Roy Mustang wrote: EvilweaselSA wrote: your question has been answered troll troll troll Yes. As long as you die it doesnt matter how long you stay alive. So as long as you remember to turn everything of fat the end so you make sure you die, its still not an exploit. Good to know, thx Nope. Good job failing to read. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
Reppyk The Black Shell 133	Posted - 2012.06.02 16:14:00 - [66] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Just curious, how long does it take for The Veldnaught to die to Concord? Remember the "sansha carrier" stuff (during the Incursion expansion). A CCP GM roleplayed a sansha overlord or something, in highsec (New Caldari or Soba). It was a bit special : the GM was -10.00 but didnt trigger the navy. Anyway, he used a smartbomb. A neutral palyer were hit, Concord showed up and nuked the carrier in 6 seconds.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 7619	Posted - 2012.06.02 16:15:00 - [67] - Quote GÇªalso, it was nice to see an old video that showed the last time they tried to have a unified, single-view UI GÇö it's a nice reminder why it's such a fundamentally flawed concept. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Be a smarter newbie, don't fall into the trap of lvl V skills.
Mortimer Civeri Aliastra Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2012.06.02 16:17:00 - [68] - Quote EvilweaselSA wrote: your question has been answered so many times the only conclusion is you are incapable of comprehending what you are discussing and your posting is stuck in a loop THIS^^^ You can DELAY dieing by a few seconds, but only delay. That is not "tanking" CONCORD, is not an exploit, and you have an ID10T problem. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Mortimer Civeri Aliastra Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2012.06.02 16:19:00 - [69] - Quote Reppyk wrote: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Just curious, how long does it take for The Veldnaught to die to Concord? Remember the "sansha carrier" stuff (during the Incursion expansion). A CCP GM roleplayed a sansha overlord or something, in highsec (New Caldari or Soba). It was a bit special : the GM was -10.00 but didnt trigger the navy. Anyway, he used a smartbomb. A neutral palyer were hit, Concord showed up and nuked the carrier in 6 seconds. Ha ha, Woops! That would have been funny to see, anybody got video of that? "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Lucy Ferrr Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 59	Posted - 2012.06.02 16:31:00 - [70] - Quote EVE Roy Mustang wrote: Snow Axe wrote: EVE Roy Mustang wrote: so theres a difference between you dying instantly from CONCORD and magically not dying cause the mods you have on the ship? Isnt that usually called tanking?. "Tanking" means "not dying". If you can "tank" something, it can't kill you. If it kills you, you haven't "tanked" it. It's always going to be legal to attempt to tank CONCORD as long as possible, as they are just ships at the end of the day. So long as you die, it's working as intended. More or less, anyway - like if he'd have come up with a fit that lets you tank CONCORD for multiple minutes or anything like that, then you might see something done, but tanking long enough for one extra round of smartbomb activations isn't even close to that. That's just the sort of creativity that making CONCORD not an insta-kill allows for. So if you are getting engaged by CONCORD and youre able to stay alive indefinately (ot long enough to kill everyone in the belt) then turn off your tank, youre good to go, is that the way it goes? Absolutely go ahead and give that a try. See just how easy it is to 'tank' concord, I welcome you.
Jypsie Wandering Star Enterprises 0	Posted - 2012.06.02 17:42:00 - [71] - Quote EvilweaselSA wrote: EVE Roy Mustang wrote: So the fit and plan to "keep yourself alive" (since apparently this isnt tanking) long enough to kill your target/everyone around you (w/e) IS an exploit then the problem here is that people are treating you like a human being it is an exploit to not die. it is not an exploit to delay dying. you are dumber than a bag of rocks and should have been drowned with said bag of rocks long ago While I do not agree with the OP's premise that the tactic being discussed in this thread is an exploit (its not in my own opinion) delaying death by CONCORD has been declared an exploit before. The Boomerang Maneuver was declared an exploit and it was only a delaying tactic. So, his argument has grounds. /shrug /endspacelaywering
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1740	Posted - 2012.06.02 17:49:00 - [72] - Quote Jypsie wrote: EvilweaselSA wrote: EVE Roy Mustang wrote: So the fit and plan to "keep yourself alive" (since apparently this isnt tanking) long enough to kill your target/everyone around you (w/e) IS an exploit then the problem here is that people are treating you like a human being it is an exploit to not die. it is not an exploit to delay dying. you are dumber than a bag of rocks and should have been drowned with said bag of rocks long ago While I do not agree with the OP's premise that the tactic being discussed in this thread is an exploit (its not in my own opinion) delaying death by CONCORD has been declared an exploit before. The Boomerang Maneuver was declared an exploit and it was only a delaying tactic. So, his argument has grounds. /shrug /endspacelaywering The boomerang also got you off grid from the concord death machine, leading to the impression that you weren't getting killed. That let gankers lie to their customers about being able to gank without ship loss. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 151	Posted - 2012.06.02 17:52:00 - [73] - Quote Jypsie wrote: EvilweaselSA wrote: EVE Roy Mustang wrote: So the fit and plan to "keep yourself alive" (since apparently this isnt tanking) long enough to kill your target/everyone around you (w/e) IS an exploit then the problem here is that people are treating you like a human being it is an exploit to not die. it is not an exploit to delay dying. you are dumber than a bag of rocks and should have been drowned with said bag of rocks long ago While I do not agree with the OP's premise that the tactic being discussed in this thread is an exploit (its not in my own opinion) delaying death by CONCORD has been declared an exploit before. The Boomerang Maneuver was declared an exploit and it was only a delaying tactic. So, his argument has grounds. /shrug /endspacelaywering You could boomerang successfully to completely avoid dying. Plus, it was only banned in the future: nobody was punished for using it before CCP decided it was overpowered.
Reppyk The Black Shell 133	Posted - 2012.06.02 18:04:00 - [74] - Quote Mortimer Civeri wrote: Ha ha, Woops! That would have been funny to see, anybody got video of that? I dont remember a video, but there is a killmail of it.
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery 1294	Posted - 2012.06.02 18:13:00 - [75] - Quote EVE Roy Mustang wrote: EvilweaselSA wrote: your question has been answered troll troll troll Yes. As long as you die it doesnt matter how long you stay alive. So as long as you remember to turn everything of fat the end so you make sure you die, its still not an exploit. Good to know, thx OP It has been told to you (and I just looked and counted) 11 times in this thread. When CONCORD show up they attack you. As soon as you are locked they jam you and empty your capacitor. They also stop you controlling drones. A handful of seconds later they will set your HP to zero. It doesn't matter if your fit has 1500 hp or 5million HP, it is instantly set to zero. The quote in your OP is him telling you how to a) Get another cycle off after being neuted by injecting capacitor b) Surviving damage from the FACTION POLICE No where does he say he tanks CONCORD. One more time: they set your HP to zero. 5mil HP and a 20,000 DPS tank won't matter. If you're interested, there are videos of people getting capitals CONCORDED on Sisi and they die as fast as a Catalyst does. It is completely impossible to tank them, at all. Ever. Cannot be done. Happen, it cannot. Times occured: 0 Any other way we can say it? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1740	Posted - 2012.06.02 18:14:00 - [76] - Quote EvilweaselSA wrote: Jypsie wrote: EvilweaselSA wrote: EVE Roy Mustang wrote: So the fit and plan to "keep yourself alive" (since apparently this isnt tanking) long enough to kill your target/everyone around you (w/e) IS an exploit then the problem here is that people are treating you like a human being it is an exploit to not die. it is not an exploit to delay dying. you are dumber than a bag of rocks and should have been drowned with said bag of rocks long ago While I do not agree with the OP's premise that the tactic being discussed in this thread is an exploit (its not in my own opinion) delaying death by CONCORD has been declared an exploit before. The Boomerang Maneuver was declared an exploit and it was only a delaying tactic. So, his argument has grounds. /shrug /endspacelaywering You could boomerang successfully to completely avoid dying. Plus, it was only banned in the future: nobody was punished for using it before CCP decided it was overpowered. I thought you ended up dead, just in a location of your choosing and after having dumped your mods. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery 1294	Posted - 2012.06.02 18:16:00 - [77] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: EvilweaselSA wrote: Jypsie wrote: EvilweaselSA wrote: EVE Roy Mustang wrote: So the fit and plan to "keep yourself alive" (since apparently this isnt tanking) long enough to kill your target/everyone around you (w/e) IS an exploit then the problem here is that people are treating you like a human being it is an exploit to not die. it is not an exploit to delay dying. you are dumber than a bag of rocks and should have been drowned with said bag of rocks long ago While I do not agree with the OP's premise that the tactic being discussed in this thread is an exploit (its not in my own opinion) delaying death by CONCORD has been declared an exploit before. The Boomerang Maneuver was declared an exploit and it was only a delaying tactic. So, his argument has grounds. /shrug /endspacelaywering You could boomerang successfully to completely avoid dying. Plus, it was only banned in the future: nobody was punished for using it before CCP decided it was overpowered. I thought you ended up dead, just in a location of your choosing and after having dumped your mods. You could use it to perma-evade CONCORD, which was always an exploit. They later said using it to DELAY death was also an exploit. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 7619	Posted - 2012.06.02 18:20:00 - [78] - Quote GÇªand anyway, Crimewatch 2.0 will do away with most of it anyway, since the CONCORD presence will only be decorative. At t=0, you will be hit with the GÇ£now-you're-stuck-hereGÇ¥-beam; at t=[whatever], you will be hit with the GÇ£now-you're-deadGÇ¥-beam. If the server can be bothered, it might spawn a couple of CONCORD ship models on the site just to make it look like what happened wasn't a result of ebil voodoo magic. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Be a smarter newbie, don't fall into the trap of lvl V skills.
Gogela Direct Action LLC. 797	Posted - 2012.06.02 19:06:00 - [79] - Quote Tippia wrote: GÇªand anyway, Crimewatch 2.0 will do away with most of it anyway, since the CONCORD presence will only be decorative. At t=0, you will be hit with the GÇ£now-you're-stuck-hereGÇ¥-beam; at t=[whatever], you will be hit with the GÇ£now-you're-deadGÇ¥-beam. If the server can be bothered, it might spawn a couple of CONCORD ship models on the site just to make it look like what happened wasn't a result of ebil voodoo magic. To be fair as far as I know the death beam is still up in the air... right? There is no mechanic actually in production... it's all still talk. Gê¦Gê¦-áEvery Ship in GëíGêçGëí-áGê¦Gê¦ GëíGêçGëí-+ odd items
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 7619	Posted - 2012.06.02 19:14:00 - [80] - Quote Gogela wrote: To be fair as far as I know the death beam is still up in the air... right? There is no mechanic actually in production... it's all still talk. From what I understood, the bit that was up in the air was whether or not they'd use an actual beam or not. The basic mechanic seemed rather nailed down, and the whole beam bit was mainly about how it should be presented on-screen. Regardless, they want to move away from having to actually warp ships in and deal with all the server-calculation malarkey involving trying to hit the target (and the same goes for scrambling it). PlayerGåÆCanWarp(disable) and PlayerGåÆExplode(now) is so much more CPU-friendly. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Be a smarter newbie, don't fall into the trap of lvl V skills.
EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 151	Posted - 2012.06.02 20:02:00 - [81] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: I thought you ended up dead, just in a location of your choosing and after having dumped your mods. If you were crazy enough to boomerang without committing another criminal act for 15 minutes you would survive.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1740	Posted - 2012.06.02 21:06:00 - [82] - Quote EvilweaselSA wrote: RubyPorto wrote: I thought you ended up dead, just in a location of your choosing and after having dumped your mods. If you were crazy enough to boomerang without committing another criminal act for 15 minutes you would survive. That's pretty funny. Single-Shard, *Player Driven-áSandbox*. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 1563	Posted - 2012.06.02 22:58:00 - [83] - Quote And now I present.... Is it an exploit when you tank Concord indefinitely (which is impossible) OR .. (and I suck for bringing this up) tanking Concord long enough to get an extra volley? As I recall, a short time ago, we had a fellow who could warp around and evade Concord for a short time - not totally evade Concord for the doom of his ship was inevitable but he would manage to get more kills. I also saw YouTube once of a "trifecta" gank where three Cats hit three mining ships before going down to Concord fire. So, while going to 0 HP is an expected outcome, is tanking only long enough, like evading only so long, more just a little more gank considered an exploit? My prediction: GMs will either not touch this or rule as fast on this as they did for the other case. People will complain. Dogs and cats will live together, and I might even get laid.
Tallian Saotome Fractured Core Fatal Ascension 740	Posted - 2012.06.02 23:03:00 - [84] - Quote EVE Roy Mustang wrote: Akirei Scytale wrote: EVE Roy Mustang wrote: lol... in warps the Goonaganda machine... lmao, people think im a goon propaganda machine now? all your alliance is, yes. Test, Goons, etc etc all might as well BE the same corp/alliance Then why do we keep fighting with TEST? Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery 1294	Posted - 2012.06.02 23:21:00 - [85] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: And now I present.... Is it an exploit when you tank Concord indefinitely (which is impossible) OR .. (and I suck for bringing this up) tanking Concord long enough to get an extra volley? As I recall, a short time ago, we had a fellow who could warp around and evade Concord for a short time - not totally evade Concord for the doom of his ship was inevitable but he would manage to get more kills. I also saw YouTube once of a "trifecta" gank where three Cats hit three mining ships before going down to Concord fire. So, while going to 0 HP is an expected outcome, is tanking only long enough, like evading only so long, more just a little more gank considered an exploit? My prediction: GMs will either not touch this or rule as fast on this as they did for the other case. People will complain. Dogs and cats will live together, and I might even get laid. You're describing the boomerang exploit that was fixed a couple of months ago. You can no longer warp with a GCC timer. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's
Hammer Crendraven Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2012.06.02 23:38:00 - [86] - Quote What a strange idea? Why would anyone think you could tank concord? Concord cheats. It does not follow game mechanics or rules. It targets you and you die It makes your hit points =0 end of story dead no way to prevent it. It does not do this right away though so the window of opportunity is there to last a tiny bit longer if you really really want to get that second shot off spare no expense. But for a ganker that would not be cost effective.
Hammer Crendraven Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2012.06.02 23:41:00 - [87] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: . People will complain. Dogs and cats will live together, and I might even get laid. Nope to the getting laid part. EVE is your girl friend!
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 210	Posted - 2012.06.03 01:17:00 - [88] - Quote Until a month or so ago it was possible to sorta speed tank Concord according to many ('boomerang manuver') doubt it was possible to shield/armour/hull tank though over the past few months EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec.CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about...

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