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EVE Roy Mustang
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.06.02 04:36:00 -
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Like the title says... I was curious. Being able to tank CONCORD is considered an exploit right? |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
598
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Posted - 2012.06.02 04:38:00 -
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yes...but it's also impossible |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1238
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Posted - 2012.06.02 04:39:00 -
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You can't tank concord.
e:Beat me to it... |

Ituhata Saken
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
211
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Posted - 2012.06.02 04:52:00 -
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I remember a time when you could.  You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |

Haldor Rune
State War Academy Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.06.02 04:53:00 -
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If you could, it'd certainly be considered an exploit, because you can't ! |

EVE Roy Mustang
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.06.02 04:54:00 -
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[Typhoon, You Thought You Were Safe]
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Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Damage Control I Adaptive Nano Plating I Adaptive Nano Plating I Adaptive Nano Plating I Adaptive Nano Plating I Layered Plating I Layered Plating I
[Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot]
Quote: Get a solid warp-in to the Orca in question, land right next to Mommy Miner, and activate all your bombs at once. Do not use your Cap Boosters right away GÇô you donGÇÖt need them yet. By the time your second volley of smartbombs has detonated, not only will the miners around you be feeling the pain GÇô you will too. CONCORD and the Faction Navy will be on you like white on rice, busy doing all sorts of nasty things (hence the tank mods in the lows). In order to get off the third (and possibly fourth!) rounds of smartbombs, you will need to use your Cap Boosters.
One of the many dastardly things that CONCORD does to you upon spawning is to neut the ever-living bejesus out of you. You will be at zero cap. Once that happens, shortly before the third cycle of your smartbombs, smash two of your Cap Booster modules. This will give you the juice to fire off your full rack of smartbombs. The reason a Typhoon is the ideal ship is that they can fit two sets of two cap boosters, meaning that if your tank can hold on through the onslaught of the police, you will be able to fire off a fourth round of smartbombs.
Typically, a Mackinaw will be destroyed on the third round of smartbombing. However, if you want to make sure no one escapes your devastation (or you want to catch pods napping), the fourth is essential.
http://tacticalentertainment.tv/hulkageddon-guide-2012#4
So its legal to tank them for a certain period of time or is it illegal to tank them at all? |

Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
118
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Posted - 2012.06.02 04:58:00 -
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And there it is 
That is not "tanking". That is waiting to die and injecting cap to get off an extra smartbomb volley or two.
Where do you see hp being regenerated at a faster rate than incoming dps (tanking)? Or even regenerated at all? |

ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
688
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Posted - 2012.06.02 04:59:00 -
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EVE Roy Mustang wrote:[Typhoon, You Thought You Were Safe] Large GÇÿVehemenceGÇÖ Shockwave Charge Large GÇÿVehemenceGÇÖ Shockwave Charge Large GÇÿVehemenceGÇÖ Shockwave Charge Large GÇÿVehemenceGÇÖ Shockwave Charge Large GÇÿVehemenceGÇÖ Shockwave Charge Large GÇÿVehemenceGÇÖ Shockwave Charge Large GÇÿVehemenceGÇÖ Shockwave Charge Large GÇÿVehemenceGÇÖ Shockwave Charge Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Damage Control I Adaptive Nano Plating I Adaptive Nano Plating I Adaptive Nano Plating I Adaptive Nano Plating I Layered Plating I Layered Plating I [Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot] Quote: Get a solid warp-in to the Orca in question, land right next to Mommy Miner, and activate all your bombs at once. Do not use your Cap Boosters right away GÇô you donGÇÖt need them yet. By the time your second volley of smartbombs has detonated, not only will the miners around you be feeling the pain GÇô you will too. CONCORD and the Faction Navy will be on you like white on rice, busy doing all sorts of nasty things (hence the tank mods in the lows). In order to get off the third (and possibly fourth!) rounds of smartbombs, you will need to use your Cap Boosters.
One of the many dastardly things that CONCORD does to you upon spawning is to neut the ever-living bejesus out of you. You will be at zero cap. Once that happens, shortly before the third cycle of your smartbombs, smash two of your Cap Booster modules. This will give you the juice to fire off your full rack of smartbombs. The reason a Typhoon is the ideal ship is that they can fit two sets of two cap boosters, meaning that if your tank can hold on through the onslaught of the police, you will be able to fire off a fourth round of smartbombs.
Typically, a Mackinaw will be destroyed on the third round of smartbombing. However, if you want to make sure no one escapes your devastation (or you want to catch pods napping), the fourth is essential.
http://tacticalentertainment.tv/hulkageddon-guide-2012#4So its legal to tank them for a certain period of time or is it illegal to tank them at all? CONCORD is wierd because it shoots you normally for a second or two after they warp in, but after that they dont do damage, they just set your ship's HP to 0 I just gotta go fast! |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1538
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Posted - 2012.06.02 04:59:00 -
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If that is "tanking" concord, then every single combat ship that accidentally got itself popped by them would result in a ban. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

EVE Roy Mustang
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.06.02 05:01:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote:And there it is  That is not "tanking". That is waiting to die and injecting cap to get off an extra smartbomb volley or two. Where do you see hp being regenerated at a faster rate than incoming dps (tanking)? Or even regenerated at all?
so theres a difference between you dying instantly from CONCORD and magically not dying cause the mods you have on the ship? Isnt that usually called tanking?
Akirei Scytale wrote:If that is "tanking" concord, then every single combat ship that accidentally got itself popped by them would result in a ban.
lol... in warps the Goonaganda machine... |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1363
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Posted - 2012.06.02 05:02:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:I remember a time when you could. 
I remember the 4 hours that started the change.
I was there!  |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
363
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Posted - 2012.06.02 05:03:00 -
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EVE Roy Mustang wrote:so theres a difference between you dying instantly from CONCORD and magically not dying cause the mods you have on the ship? Isnt that usually called tanking?.
"Tanking" means "not dying". If you can "tank" something, it can't kill you. If it kills you, you haven't "tanked" it.
It's always going to be legal to attempt to tank CONCORD as long as possible, as they are just ships at the end of the day. So long as you die, it's working as intended. More or less, anyway - like if he'd have come up with a fit that lets you tank CONCORD for multiple minutes or anything like that, then you might see something done, but tanking long enough for one extra round of smartbomb activations isn't even close to that. That's just the sort of creativity that making CONCORD not an insta-kill allows for. |

Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
195
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Posted - 2012.06.02 05:04:00 -
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tanking (or attempting to tank) is not an exploit, evading CONCORD is. |

EVE Roy Mustang
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.06.02 05:08:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:EVE Roy Mustang wrote:so theres a difference between you dying instantly from CONCORD and magically not dying cause the mods you have on the ship? Isnt that usually called tanking?. "Tanking" means "not dying". If you can "tank" something, it can't kill you. If it kills you, you haven't "tanked" it. It's always going to be legal to attempt to tank CONCORD as long as possible, as they are just ships at the end of the day. So long as you die, it's working as intended. More or less, anyway - like if he'd have come up with a fit that lets you tank CONCORD for multiple minutes or anything like that, then you might see something done, but tanking long enough for one extra round of smartbomb activations isn't even close to that. That's just the sort of creativity that making CONCORD not an insta-kill allows for.
So if you are getting engaged by CONCORD and youre able to stay alive indefinately (ot long enough to kill everyone in the belt) then turn off your tank, youre good to go, is that the way it goes? |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2006
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Posted - 2012.06.02 05:11:00 -
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EVE Roy Mustang wrote:Snow Axe wrote:EVE Roy Mustang wrote:so theres a difference between you dying instantly from CONCORD and magically not dying cause the mods you have on the ship? Isnt that usually called tanking?. "Tanking" means "not dying". If you can "tank" something, it can't kill you. If it kills you, you haven't "tanked" it. It's always going to be legal to attempt to tank CONCORD as long as possible, as they are just ships at the end of the day. So long as you die, it's working as intended. More or less, anyway - like if he'd have come up with a fit that lets you tank CONCORD for multiple minutes or anything like that, then you might see something done, but tanking long enough for one extra round of smartbomb activations isn't even close to that. That's just the sort of creativity that making CONCORD not an insta-kill allows for. So if you are getting engaged by CONCORD and youre able to stay alive indefinately (ot long enough to kill everyone in the belt) then turn off your tank, youre good to go, is that the way it goes? You can't stay alive indefinitely against Concord. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Haulie Berry
194
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Posted - 2012.06.02 05:12:00 -
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It's illegal to SURVIVE CONCORD. So, if you could fit a tank that would keep you alive Vs. Concord until downtime, that would be an exploit. If you can fit a tank that keeps you alive for a little longer than not fitting a tank, it is not an exploit. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
363
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Posted - 2012.06.02 05:13:00 -
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EVE Roy Mustang wrote:So if you are getting engaged by CONCORD and youre able to stay alive indefinately (ot long enough to kill everyone in the belt) then turn off your tank, youre good to go, is that the way it goes?
That's a pretty silly hypothetical as it's not actually possible to tank CONCORD indefinitely - the ship you posted is a hyper-specific battleship fit designed to get 10 extra seconds for one more smartbomb activation. That's not exactly promising when it comes to tanking them indefinitely.
But to address your insane hypothetical, if such a thing actually happened and you felt you had proof, petition the hell out of it, as evading CONCORD is an exploit. Just don't get buttmad when it turns out your suspicions were just that. |

Ituhata Saken
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
211
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Posted - 2012.06.02 05:15:00 -
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EvE, what's happening here is not "tanking". CONCORD, as I understand it, deals damage as a percentage of a ships total HP, so it doesn't matter what you are in, you'll die in relatively the same amount of time, from a rifter up to a titan. Kinda like fall damage in WoW.
What that fit is for, is dealing damage until CONCORD kills you. The cap boosters negate the neut effect allowing you to continue smartbombing until you are dead.
EDIT
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:I remember a time when you could.  I remember the 4 hours that started the change. I was there! 
I wonder what happened? You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1538
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Posted - 2012.06.02 05:16:00 -
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EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
lol... in warps the Goonaganda machine...
lmao, people think im a goon propaganda machine now? TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

EVE Roy Mustang
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.06.02 05:19:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
lol... in warps the Goonaganda machine...
lmao, people think im a goon propaganda machine now?
all your alliance is, yes. Test, Goons, etc etc all might as well BE the same corp/alliance
|

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1538
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Posted - 2012.06.02 05:23:00 -
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EVE Roy Mustang wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
lol... in warps the Goonaganda machine...
lmao, people think im a goon propaganda machine now? all your alliance is, yes. Test, Goons, etc etc all might as well BE the same corp/alliance
you should actually look into the cultures of said alliances.
we clash almost constantly, but get along famously. its a lot like sibling rivalry. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
598
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Posted - 2012.06.02 05:23:00 -
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holy ****
you, sir, are dumb |

CaptainFalcon07
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
16
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Posted - 2012.06.02 05:57:00 -
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I remember you use to be able to use Black Op ships to escape concord entirely.
Have a friend with a covert cyno ready near a jumpable lowsec area.
Get your Black Ops and target your victim. Overheat your guns and kill your target.
Once your target goes boom, you immediately jump to your friend's covert cyno at lowsec.
Congrats you have just evaded Concord.
Too bad CCP declared that as a bannable offense and changed it so that you can't jump after doing such a thing. |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
196
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Posted - 2012.06.02 06:37:00 -
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EVE Roy Mustang wrote:Like the title says... I was curious. Being able to tank CONCORD is considered an exploit right?
I assume by tank you mean tank and not die... yes, if concord has yor number you will die. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
196
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Posted - 2012.06.02 06:40:00 -
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CaptainFalcon07 wrote:I remember you use to be able to use Black Op ships to escape concord entirely.
Have a friend with a covert cyno ready near a jumpable lowsec area.
Get your Black Ops and target your victim. Overheat your guns and kill your target.
Once your target goes boom, you immediately jump to your friend's covert cyno at lowsec.
Congrats you have just evaded Concord.
Too bad CCP declared that as a bannable offense and changed it so that you can't jump after doing such a thing.
used to be able to set bombs on a timer and run away from the high sec crime scene with a stealth bomber too.. but ccp chose to nerf that also. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
110
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Posted - 2012.06.02 07:14:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:I remember a time when you could.  I remember the 4 hours that started the change. I was there! 
That sounds like an interesting story, care to share?  Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. |

Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.06.02 07:30:00 -
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EVE Roy Mustang wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
lol... in warps the Goonaganda machine...
lmao, people think im a goon propaganda machine now? all your alliance is, yes. Test, Goons, etc etc all might as well BE the same corp/alliance
And how do we know you aren't a goon propaganda machine?
It would be just like a goon to fan the flames of miner ganking with vague claims of exploits. |

Makkal Hanaya
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.06.02 11:06:00 -
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It's generally not considered tanking if you die in five seconds. |

baltec1
1313
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Posted - 2012.06.02 11:11:00 -
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EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
So if you are getting engaged by CONCORD and youre able to stay alive indefinately (ot long enough to kill everyone in the belt) then turn off your tank, youre good to go, is that the way it goes?
Considering CONCORD can destroy a titan in seconds Imgoing to go with its impossible to tank concord. They also web, scram, jam and neut you so don't get to anything but die when they arrive. |

gfldex
541
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Posted - 2012.06.02 11:53:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:I wonder what happened?
Mayhem, carnage and utter destruction!
In the early days CONCORD wasn't all that clever and powerful. They never switched targets and they spawned more ships rather slowly instead of having insane DPS. So the cunning pilots of Zombie setup camp with a all smarty, shield tanked Apoc and various other BS with capa and shield transfers at the Nonni gate in Yulai. Yulai used to be what is Jita today. The serious lack of Nonni-gateage that we experience today is the reason why Jita is Jita and Yulai rather boring.
They stayed there for about 4 hours. Anybody without insta died, many with insta died as well. (A smartbomb is only checking for range, not if the target is in warp or not.) After about 4 hours the GMs seam to have come to the conclusion that this utter destruction was a bit over the top. Not because tanking CONCORD was bad but because agro didn't spread via remote tanking at this time, so other pilots had little chance to counter them ebil piwats. (That is bullship ofc, 4 arti tempests would have one volleyed that apoc. This EVEnt happend before the damage mod nerf and all those HP buffs.)
They kindly asked Zombie to stop and some of them did. Those Zombie pilots that asked to have shown The Rule in The Rulebook that what they did was not fine where banned. Not because they got a lot of killmails where they shouldn't but for arguing with the GMs. (Bad style indeed.)
This EVEnt lead to a series of buffs to CONCORD, spreading agro for remote repping and many many players leaving the game because CCP obviously didn't like real PvPers that expect other players to bend together to fight cunning individuals.
The carebear faction in CCP had won and turned the only hard core PvP MMO into happy happy lala land.
When someone burns down your sandcastle, bring sausages. |
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