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Tas Kestle	Posted - 2009.08.29 18:16:00 - [1] Hello, im part of a small corperation of around 10 members and am looking for the best way to get into Arkonor mining. Is there a safe way for us to mine in 0.0 while staying reletivly safe. We would be looking to set up a POS at some point too. Genral HELPFUL advice would be welcome, thanks.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2009.08.29 18:19:00 - [2] Wormhole space is a miners dream tbh. Setup large deathstar with a bunch of annoying resists as well. Plop a few corporate hangars and a ship bay. Get a refinery or a Rorqual. Good to go.
ExpendableHero	Posted - 2009.08.29 18:21:00 - [3] Edited by: ExpendableHero on 29/08/2009 18:22:44 With only 10 members, there is no relatively safe way to mine Arkonor unless you join an alliance. With an alliance, you can get security for 0.0 and WHs. I prefer WH mining simply because you can see people coming a lot easier. They generally have to scan before they can warp to you, so you can be out of the WH before they get close enough to do any real damage. EDIT: ****. Forgot that people don't show up in local in WH space. Well, I still like WH mining anyway. People don't normally claim ownership of a WH, which means you might be alone. Just find people who can protect you and find a lowsec WH. Nice way to make cash for a mining corp.
Oweim Gallente Sephray Industries	Posted - 2009.08.29 19:36:00 - [4] Two nights ago we took a HS wh entrance found common perimeter (grav) site, mined out the small ark roid (only 10k), plus bistot crok gneiss.... Last night we put up our large pos in wh (timing worked out for wh we wanted in). Goal is to pretty much mine out all gas/grav that pop up, plus explore and mine out other wh's we link into. ------- Link because I'm lazy... Go Ducks 7-3 Long year, almost over...
Shamhat Arete Aideron Robotics	Posted - 2009.08.29 19:57:00 - [5] If by "relatively safe" you mean never losing ships and avoiding all PVP, no. If by "relatively safe" you mean comfortably making enough to cover your losses and still come out ahead of hi-sec mining, then sure. Arkonor mining is profitable enough that you can afford to take some extra risks, as long as you're emotionally prepared for losses now and then. Earlier in the Apocrypha life cycle, I did occasional w-space mining without POS or combat support. Just take cheap ships (T1 BC to clear grav site, T1 mining barges, T1 hauler, and a T1 or T2 cloaked prober frigate), leaving your Hulk and Orca and overpriced implants at home. Even if you lose, say, a Covetor every 10 hours of mining, it's a minor dent in your revenue when you're taking ABC. The trick is to learn everything you can about wormholes and get good at probing and system intel. There will always be worst case scenarios: e.g. an ambush from a cloaked gang with a HIC which was already in the w-system and had the grav site bookmarked so you'll never see their probes. When that happens, you'll lose some ships and pods. But it won't be every day, and if you avoid weekends you'll avoid the majority of w-space PVP. It may be a lot harder these days to find an unoccupied system. Either your prober(s) should start looking a couple of hours in advance of a planned mining op, or you can do k-space mining while you wait to see if you get lucky. If I were doing this today, I'd look in backwater hi-sec or lo-sec constellations for non-K162 wormholes, those will give you the best chance of finding something fresh in w-space without active occupants.
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2009.08.30 02:01:00 - [6] Edited by: Cors on 30/08/2009 02:01:10 Two options. Ninja mining, using a Rorq with a cloak, Carrier with a Cloak, MOM with a cloak, or whatever as a base of ops in 0.0 is one of the more profitable ways. You keep the Cap cloaked, and only go to it and uncloak it when NO ONE is in local, mining with your Hulks or whatever, using cloaks to hide from the local hostiles. OR you can rent access from a 0.0 alliance. They almost always will NOT guarantee your safety, but they will allow you to use their Outpost, most likely to put up a small POS or something, so you can ninja mine, while warping to your pos when hostiles come in. If you need this, let me know, I know someone who could hook you up with a rental agreement.
Agent Known Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.08.30 03:53:00 - [7] Originally by: Cors Edited by: Cors on 30/08/2009 02:01:10 Two options. Ninja mining, using a Rorq with a cloak, Carrier with a Cloak, MOM with a cloak, or whatever as a base of ops in 0.0 is one of the more profitable ways. You keep the Cap cloaked, and only go to it and uncloak it when NO ONE is in local, mining with your Hulks or whatever, using cloaks to hide from the local hostiles. OR you can rent access from a 0.0 alliance. They almost always will NOT guarantee your safety, but they will allow you to use their Outpost, most likely to put up a small POS or something, so you can ninja mine, while warping to your pos when hostiles come in. If you need this, let me know, I know someone who could hook you up with a rental agreement. coughprovidencecough
Lord Windu Amarr	Posted - 2009.08.30 13:23:00 - [8] Originally by: Agent Known Originally by: Cors Edited by: Cors on 30/08/2009 02:01:10 Two options. Ninja mining, using a Rorq with a cloak, Carrier with a Cloak, MOM with a cloak, or whatever as a base of ops in 0.0 is one of the more profitable ways. You keep the Cap cloaked, and only go to it and uncloak it when NO ONE is in local, mining with your Hulks or whatever, using cloaks to hide from the local hostiles. OR you can rent access from a 0.0 alliance. They almost always will NOT guarantee your safety, but they will allow you to use their Outpost, most likely to put up a small POS or something, so you can ninja mine, while warping to your pos when hostiles come in. If you need this, let me know, I know someone who could hook you up with a rental agreement. coughprovidencecough The OP wants Arkonor, he didn't ask for Hedbergite or Hemorphite.
craig daviduk	Posted - 2009.08.31 01:14:00 - [9] Edited by: craig daviduk on 31/08/2009 01:15:12 Edit
Reikazenzero	Posted - 2009.08.31 01:15:00 - [10] * cough cough* providence isnt safe anymore since we left *cough cough and yes rubbish ores anyway lol

devilator	Posted - 2009.09.01 06:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Oweim Two nights ago we took a HS wh entrance found common perimeter (grav) site, mined out the small ark roid (only 10k), plus bistot crok gneiss.... Last night we put up our large pos in wh (timing worked out for wh we wanted in). Goal is to pretty much mine out all gas/grav that pop up, plus explore and mine out other wh's we link into. Small ark 10k ? that dont even go in the same sentence...lol thats huge for an arknor rock considering 1unit of the stuff takes up 15m3. the largest I ever saw in 0.0 was about 7-8k.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2009.09.01 12:21:00 - [12] Originally by: devilator Small ark 10k ? that dont even go in the same sentence...lol thats huge for an arknor rock considering 1unit of the stuff takes up 15m3. the largest I ever saw in 0.0 was about 7-8k. I've seen 5-6 30k arkonor in class 4 belts _____________________________________________ -Sketch, Certified Pharmacist Need a Boost?
Gavin DeVries	Posted - 2009.09.01 14:55:00 - [13] I've seen grav sites in Class 2 wormhole systems that had a single 15k Arkonor rock, or 3-4 5k Arkonor rocks. Haven't bother probing down grav sites in a Class 3 or higher yet. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Xing Fey	Posted - 2009.09.01 20:14:00 - [14] saw a 150k (one hundred fifty thousand) ark rock the other day...
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:29:00 - [15] Originally by: Xing Fey saw a 150k (one hundred fifty thousand) ark rock the other day... good god... _____________________________________________ -Sketch, Certified Pharmacist Need a Boost?
Primaxin Gallente M. Corp	Posted - 2009.09.01 23:01:00 - [16] Best bet: Identify several areas in 0.0 that have arkonor. You may have to ask around a bit to figure out which areas those are, because not all of 0.0 has arkonor by any means. Next, check the ingame map to see who claims sov to those regions. You should then be able to contact the appropriate corp/alliance diplomat and see if they allow for "residents" in their space and what they charge for that privilege. Check around a bit and you'll probably get a satisfactory response from someone. After that, move to 0.0 cautiously using whatever intel channels are available to you through your alliance, and don't take anything expensive until you get a feel for being in 0.0. Good luck.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.09.01 23:31:00 - [17] Quote: coughprovidencecough Because absolutely no one would ever attack you in Providence, ever. CVA is like CONCORD, so Providence is essentially hisec. Also, Providence lacks ABC ores.
Vasta Magna	Posted - 2009.09.02 04:12:00 - [18] Unless you already have friends out there who will tolerate you mining instead of X'ing up for fleet, wormholes are a WAY more accessible option than 0.0. You just have to be on the ball (and really not even that, on days when the wormhole entrance is in the middle of nowhere). Your only limitation is the amount of grav sites. Sometimes none, sometimes more than you could possibly mine before they despawn.
BuckStrider Wreckless Abandon Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.09.02 14:44:00 - [19] Originally by: Xing Fey saw a 150k (one hundred fifty thousand) ark rock the other day... Never saw a 150k ark rock, but I'll say that they exist because I did mine a 100k Bistot in a Class 3 a few months ago before I returned to pvp land... Proof
Primaxin Gallente M. Corp	Posted - 2009.09.02 21:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Vasta Magna Unless you already have friends out there who will tolerate you mining instead of X'ing up for fleet, wormholes are a WAY more accessible option than 0.0. You just have to be on the ball (and really not even that, on days when the wormhole entrance is in the middle of nowhere). Your only limitation is the amount of grav sites. Sometimes none, sometimes more than you could possibly mine before they despawn. I disagree with this. When you enter into an agreement with an alliance to be a "resident", you are usually paying ISK for the privelege. It's understood that in return, you don't have the same responsibilities as alliance members. While it's expected that you would participate in defending the home systems if they were under direct attack, otherwise you're usually free to do what you want. Anyway, these are the kinds of issues you want to clarify in advance.

Vasta Magna	Posted - 2009.09.02 22:50:00 - [21] Originally by: Primaxin I disagree with this. When you enter into an agreement with an alliance to be a "resident", you are usually paying ISK for the privelege. It's understood that in return, you don't have the same responsibilities as alliance members. While it's expected that you would participate in defending the home systems if they were under direct attack, otherwise you're usually free to do what you want. Anyway, these are the kinds of issues you want to clarify in advance. Fair enough, arrangements vary. I still think my generalization is a common experience for many mining corps making their first stab at 0.0. Finding someone to pay takes connections too, and renting 0.0 space has its own issues. Increased overhead obviously. And are you sharing space with other residents? There's only so many systems with Arkonor to go around. Need a POS? Sovereignty issues. Compare that with a wormhole. If they're not picky they could fan out, scan, and have a POS up in a few hours. All one jump from hi/low-sec. Good chance of Arkonor. Out of the blue a corp can pack up and be successfully mining in a wormhole inside a day. It's stretching things to say an average corp can do the same in 0.0. In that sense, wormholes are far more accessible.
Primaxin Gallente M. Corp	Posted - 2009.09.03 12:53:00 - [22] Fair enough, arrangements vary. I still think my generalization is a common experience for many mining corps making their first stab at 0.0. Finding someone to pay takes connections too, and renting 0.0 space has its own issues. Increased overhead obviously. And are you sharing space with other residents? There's only so many systems with Arkonor to go around. Need a POS? Sovereignty issues. Compare that with a wormhole. If they're not picky they could fan out, scan, and have a POS up in a few hours. All one jump from hi/low-sec. Good chance of Arkonor. Out of the blue a corp can pack up and be successfully mining in a wormhole inside a day. It's stretching things to say an average corp can do the same in 0.0. In that sense, wormholes are far more accessible. I agree with everything you said. However, there are difficulties with wormholes that are intimidating for those who aren't experienced with them. First, you never know exactly how you're goint to get back/forth to normal space, since the location of the exits changes all the time, so there are major logistics problems. Second, local doesn't work, so you can be attacked at any time with no warning, which makes security much harder to maintain than in 0.0. Third, you will have to put up and maintain a POS to do anything, which is a bit of an endeavor in itself, whereas in 0.0 usually there are outposts already there that you can use. So there are pluses and minuses to the different approaches. Hopefully this discussion is giving the OP some of the information he wants.
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.09.03 13:05:00 - [23] I have seen a 400k crokite roid in an explo site before, i imagine there will be similar sized ark around somewhere.
Iron Golem Third Return Inc. Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.09.03 13:31:00 - [24] I know that our alliance is currently allowing renters in 0.0 and it seems pretty reasonably priced (previously our corp was considering renting).


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