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Ramona Cathlizion
Galactic Trade Industriez Fade 2 Black
4
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Posted - 2012.06.02 09:32:00 -
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Personally I have no real problem with Hulkaggedon.
I do however have a problem with the consequences Hulkaggedon has on my char. I played back in 07,.. before the onset of Hulkaggedon. At the time I was a soldier, and I didnt have a lot of free time to devote to actively playing the game. So I mined to make funds for those few times I did have time to actively play. I quit for 5 years,.. between being an soldier and having recently become a parent my time was even more limited. Now I am stuck at home, permanently disabled and still waiting for the Department of Veterans Affairs to start paying for those disabilities So I come back to eve and find out that you can now pay for the game with plex,.. awesome I cant afford to pay for a regular subscription but I can mine plex at least until I have some sub time saved up.
On comes Hulkaggedon,.. being fresh back in the game and having missed the last,.. well all of hulkaggedons I got popped on the first day. So I wait. well waitings done but hulkaggedon did not end as schedualed instead its now a permanent fixture in EVE.
Ok cool try an make money other ways. Missioning sounds fun,.. ooh wait damn i Have 9.3 million skill points locked up in mining which are now effectivly usless. 75 pct of my skill points just for mining.
So now While I have been working on combat skills I dont think Ill make plex much longer, maybe another month or two.
Solution:
A optional 1 time only per char Skill point Reset. allowing us to reallocate useless skill points into something better suited.
Im sure I am not the only one who looks at wasted skill points wishing they could put it to something usefull.
What do you think? leave comments w/e Flamers are as the sun inevitably rises every morning are naturally expected and welcome as well. Of cource,.. as the sun must go down you will inevitably be ignored. |

Thebriwan
LUX Uls Xystus
103
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Posted - 2012.06.02 09:39:00 -
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No flame here.
But EvE is all about consequence.
So no respec for anyone. Just bear with it.
HTFU  |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
471
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Posted - 2012.06.02 09:40:00 -
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You don't get to respec just because you changed your mind about liking something. |

Campl3r Athonille
Bluestar Enterprises The Craftsmen
5
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Posted - 2012.06.02 09:42:00 -
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there are several ways to mine, more or less, safe. Solo-Afk Mining is none of these |

Ramona Cathlizion
Galactic Trade Industriez Fade 2 Black
4
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Posted - 2012.06.02 09:45:00 -
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Im not saying a respec just for me,.. What im suggesting is that everone be allowed a 1 time per char, respec. Is there anyone here who can honestly say they dont have a few skills they wouldnt mind being able to retrieve the time they wasted on it? And its not a matter of not liking something anymore, I still rather enjoy mining as its quite relaxing,. However simply put mining for me is not profitable,.. mine a week to build 3-400mil worth of isk,.. get popped once and lose the equivilent. |

baltec1
Bat Country
1969
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Posted - 2012.06.02 09:53:00 -
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Or you could fit a tank and pay attention. |

The Groundskeeper
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.06.02 09:56:00 -
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Join a nullsec alliance. Join an anom-mining fleet, mine sweet high-ends and make enough for a plex in a day. Or stay in highsec and try to kid yourself that you are safer there.
Why not join someone like Goonswarm? Just contact one of our keen recruiters! |

Ramona Cathlizion
Galactic Trade Industriez Fade 2 Black
4
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Posted - 2012.06.02 09:57:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Or you could fit a tank and pay attention.
Tanking a hulk simply means it takes 2 dessies to pop instead of one, and as far as paying attention for the most part I do,. which is why I have a second monitor. However I also have to children who take priority, Simply put a child starts Crying or gets hurt,.. you dont worry about docking before taking care of the child. With the right skills being afk in a mission with an active stable tank is less likely to get get you popped than a few minutes afk in a hulk. Making mining rather a pointed waste of time for me. |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
340
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:04:00 -
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Ramona Cathlizion wrote: And its not a matter of not liking something anymore, I still rather enjoy mining as its quite relaxing,. However simply put mining for me is not profitable,.. mine a week to build 3-400mil worth of isk,.. get popped once and lose the equivilent.
what will you do when a small group of tornados kills your 2-3b mission ship? I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |

The Groundskeeper
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:05:00 -
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Perhaps you should pay attention to your children instead of being a semi-afk parent? |

The Groundskeeper
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:06:00 -
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I mean, maybe that kid wouldn't have got hurt if you weren't so obsessed with dancing frenetically for peanuts in a virtual world? |

Ramona Cathlizion
Galactic Trade Industriez Fade 2 Black
4
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:06:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Ramona Cathlizion wrote: And its not a matter of not liking something anymore, I still rather enjoy mining as its quite relaxing,. However simply put mining for me is not profitable,.. mine a week to build 3-400mil worth of isk,.. get popped once and lose the equivilent.
what will you do when a small group of tornados kills your 2-3b mission ship?
Give them Kudos and hope for better luck next time? |

Ramona Cathlizion
Galactic Trade Industriez Fade 2 Black
4
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:06:00 -
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The Groundskeeper wrote:I mean, maybe that kid wouldn't have got hurt if you weren't so obsessed with dancing frenetically for peanuts in a virtual world?
You dont have children do you? |

baltec1
Bat Country
1969
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:07:00 -
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Ramona Cathlizion wrote:baltec1 wrote:Or you could fit a tank and pay attention. Tanking a hulk simply means it takes 2 dessies to pop instead of one, and as far as paying attention for the most part I do,. which is why I have a second monitor. However I also have to children who take priority, Simply put a child starts Crying or gets hurt,.. you dont worry about docking before taking care of the child. With the right skills being afk in a mission with an active stable tank is less likely to get get you popped than a few minutes afk in a hulk. Making mining rather a pointed waste of time for me.
7 to 10 dessies. Why waste that many on a single hulk for no profit when you can gank 7-10 fools? |

InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
155
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:20:00 -
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Ramona Cathlizion wrote:The Groundskeeper wrote:I mean, maybe that kid wouldn't have got hurt if you weren't so obsessed with dancing frenetically for peanuts in a virtual world? You dont have children do you?
Let's go ahead and assume he doesn't.
Now, explain how he is wrong. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |

Mallak Azaria
591
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:21:00 -
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Ramona Cathlizion wrote:Im not saying a respec just for me,.. What im suggesting is that everone be allowed a 1 time per char, respec. Is there anyone here who can honestly say they dont have a few skills they wouldnt mind being able to retrieve the time they wasted on it?
No. This idea has been brought up many times & is always shot down, because it is a stupid idea. You want respecs, go play an MMO that will cater to it.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |

Ramona Cathlizion
Galactic Trade Industriez Fade 2 Black
4
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:25:00 -
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InternetSpaceship wrote:Ramona Cathlizion wrote:The Groundskeeper wrote:I mean, maybe that kid wouldn't have got hurt if you weren't so obsessed with dancing frenetically for peanuts in a virtual world? You dont have children do you? Let's go ahead and assume he doesn't. Now, explain how he is wrong.
Because It doesnt matter what you do,.. children being children, especially in my case where I have two. Sibling Rivalry being what it is they will always manage to get hurt,.. or start crying because one decides to take a toy from the other. I could give a million other examples but I wont you get the point. At which point you are forced to drop whatever is you are ingaged in to see to their needs. |

Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Guards Black Core Alliance
97
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:28:00 -
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I think they should just increase the hitpoints on exhumers. For example, a Hulk with 3k HP each for structure, armor, and shields. Maybe a bit more powergrid and CPU.
I'm not sure why people propose huge game mechanic changes. Just balance the exhumers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
731
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:29:00 -
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Ramona Cathlizion wrote:Because It doesnt matter what you do,.. children being children, especially in my case where I have two. Sibling Rivalry being what it is they will always manage to get hurt,.. or start crying because one decides to take a toy from the other. I could give a million other examples but I wont you get the point. At which point you are forced to drop whatever is you are ingaged in to see to their needs. "Its ok to ignore my children because I'm playing a pretend spaceship game, but only UNTIL one of them hurts themselves." Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Ramona Cathlizion
Galactic Trade Industriez Fade 2 Black
4
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:30:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:I think they should just increase the hitpoints on exhumers. For example, a Hulk with 3k HP each for structure, armor, and shields. Maybe a bit more powergrid and CPU.
I'm not sure why people propose huge game mechanic changes. Just balance the exhumers.
A more tankable hulk would definatly be a solution. However we all know that is never going to happen either. |

Ramona Cathlizion
Galactic Trade Industriez
4
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:31:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Ramona Cathlizion wrote:Because It doesnt matter what you do,.. children being children, especially in my case where I have two. Sibling Rivalry being what it is they will always manage to get hurt,.. or start crying because one decides to take a toy from the other. I could give a million other examples but I wont you get the point. At which point you are forced to drop whatever is you are ingaged in to see to their needs. "Its ok to ignore my children because I'm playing a pretend spaceship game, but only UNTIL one of them hurts themselves."
Nice try. |

baltec1
1313
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:35:00 -
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Ramona Cathlizion wrote:Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:I think they should just increase the hitpoints on exhumers. For example, a Hulk with 3k HP each for structure, armor, and shields. Maybe a bit more powergrid and CPU.
I'm not sure why people propose huge game mechanic changes. Just balance the exhumers. A more tankable hulk would definatly be a solution. However we all know that is never going to happen either.
The hulk doesn't need a buff, it needs people to tank them in the first place. |

baltec1
1313
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:40:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:I think they should just increase the hitpoints on exhumers. For example, a Hulk with 3k HP each for structure, armor, and shields. Maybe a bit more powergrid and CPU.
I'm not sure why people propose huge game mechanic changes. Just balance the exhumers.
The hulk has base defences that puts it in the same class as heavy assault ships. |

Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx Luna Sanguinem
163
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:45:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:I think they should just increase the hitpoints on exhumers. For example, a Hulk with 3k HP each for structure, armor, and shields. Maybe a bit more powergrid and CPU.
I'm not sure why people propose huge game mechanic changes. Just balance the exhumers.
That's not balance. If you want to petition for a better tank, you have to be prepared to have your yield nerfed. Hulks already tank really well if you bother to try. If you're a long-term miner, you should have the skills to tank it very well & be able to keep your max yield. |

InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:45:00 -
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Ramona Cathlizion wrote:InternetSpaceship wrote:Ramona Cathlizion wrote:The Groundskeeper wrote:I mean, maybe that kid wouldn't have got hurt if you weren't so obsessed with dancing frenetically for peanuts in a virtual world? You dont have children do you? Let's go ahead and assume he doesn't. Now, explain how he is wrong. Because It doesnt matter what you do,.. children being children, especially in my case where I have two. Sibling Rivalry being what it is they will always manage to get hurt,.. or start crying because one decides to take a toy from the other. I could give a million other examples but I wont you get the point. At which point you are forced to drop whatever is you are ingaged in to see to their needs.
Indeed, you are correct. Now for the other half, which deserves your undivided attention more? A game that demands your focus, or your children, who you freely admit are prone to hurting themselves/each other? Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |

InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:48:00 -
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Ramona Cathlizion wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Ramona Cathlizion wrote:Because It doesnt matter what you do,.. children being children, especially in my case where I have two. Sibling Rivalry being what it is they will always manage to get hurt,.. or start crying because one decides to take a toy from the other. I could give a million other examples but I wont you get the point. At which point you are forced to drop whatever is you are ingaged in to see to their needs. "Its ok to ignore my children because I'm playing a pretend spaceship game, but only UNTIL one of them hurts themselves." Nice try.
Again, a glib remark, but no attempt to correct the argument. Sorry, but when you have kids, they are priority. You can try to play the game, but don't complain when it becomes too difficult, because the only real answer is to stop playing the game.
I get what you're saying, even parents need to maintain hobbies, and I agree, but this particular hobby is clearly demanding more attention from you than you can rightfully give it. There is only one clear answer here. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |

Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
353
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:48:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:I think they should just increase the hitpoints on exhumers. For example, a Hulk with 3k HP each for structure, armor, and shields. Maybe a bit more powergrid and CPU.
I'm not sure why people propose huge game mechanic changes. Just balance the exhumers. That would put the Hulk at almost the same EHP class as canes, No.
Hulks can already be fitted to have 30k EHP tank, adding another ~10k buffer is unreasonable. "Eve isnGÇÖt some welcoming online utopia: itGÇÖs cut-throat, cruel, atavistic despite the futuristic setting. Give people a sandbox, and theyGÇÖll throw the sand in a rivalGÇÖs eyes before kicking them in the shins and destroying their sandcastle." -Keza MacDonald, IGN. |

Captain Megadeath
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
62
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:48:00 -
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A, your sums are wrong, a fully tanked hulk can withstand up to 5 catalysts* in a 0.5 system, 6 if with orca support with a Shield harmonizing gang link. They need to bring 7+ to break your tank in time, if you dont see 7 dessies on your Dscan you deserve to die.
B, The hulk doesnt need any more tank.
C, Using children as an excuse to be "semi-afk" is just down right wrong. I have 2 disabled children, one 5 the other 10. I play when it is my relaxation time, when their mother is in charge of them. If I am needed I just dock up . If you are able to go see to "whatever" means that you have cargo expanders fitted 'cause a hulk without them can fill its cargo hold within 2 cycles. 9 times out of 10 a hulk with cargo expanders has a bot at the controls.
So you are either a bad parent or a bot runner... which is it?
This is why, even though I am a miner, I will support the Goons in eradacating the AFK'ers/bots and for keeping eve the cold dark universe it is supposed to be.
* With average of 1,107.81 alpha |

seany1212
Zat's Affiliated Traders Originally Riotous Corps
180
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:50:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ramona Cathlizion wrote:Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:I think they should just increase the hitpoints on exhumers. For example, a Hulk with 3k HP each for structure, armor, and shields. Maybe a bit more powergrid and CPU.
I'm not sure why people propose huge game mechanic changes. Just balance the exhumers. A more tankable hulk would definatly be a solution. However we all know that is never going to happen either. The hulk doesn't need a buff, it needs people to tank them in the first place.
This.
Also, hulks are the only mining vessels in eve, amirite? I love all these whine threads that pop up by noob npc alts without actually linking any killmails!
MY TITAN GOT GANKED IN JOVE SPACE, I DEMAND THEY ARE BUFFED!
Hulks are getting popped because OTEC has a monopoly going on tech, how about trying to fly a covetor which is both less appealing as a target and costs 10% of a hulk? You might not get the same isk/hr but surely its more investment viable than a hulk at the moment  |

baltec1
1313
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Posted - 2012.06.02 10:57:00 -
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seany1212 wrote:This. Also, hulks are the only mining vessels in eve, amirite? I love all these whine threads that pop up by noob npc alts without actually linking any killmails! MY TITAN GOT GANKED IN JOVE SPACE, I DEMAND THEY ARE BUFFED! Hulks are getting popped because OTEC has a monopoly going on tech, how about trying to fly a covetor which is both less appealing as a target and costs 10% of a hulk? You might not get the same isk/hr but surely its more investment viable than a hulk at the moment 
A covetor can also be tanked to survive 2-3 dessies. |
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