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karma Reigns	Posted - 2009.08.31 14:55:00 - [31] comedy doesnt solve the problem guys...
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.08.31 14:56:00 - [32] Originally by: karma Reigns I feel like the price for GTC cards should be regulated by eve. I feel like the price of crude oil should be 10 dollars a barrel, and regulated by my great-aunt. Quote: Our Real Life dollars should not be eve economy driven. They're not. When was the last time you heard "panic on Wall Street, the economy is threatened by Kernite macro-miners" ? Quote: When the norm since I have started the game has been minimum 700 mill. When I started the game it was 300 mil for 90 days or 39$. At its peak it was nearly 1000 mil for 60 days or 35$. Quote: Why would someone sell a 60 Day GTC which cost 34.99 for 530 mill? Why WOULDN'T they ? There are people who STILL sell theirs at 700 while others sell at 500 and vice-versa. People in a hurry that want to "get it now" will make concessions, others will simply wait until they get the price they want. Quote: This is going to create dissatisfaction throughout the game for new players. The only ones who can take advantage of this are the older or more experienced players who have the ability to make substantial isk. Right... because a one-month old character COULDN'T POSSSIBLY be making 10 mil ISK a day to buy his own PLEX/GTC when needed ? If anything, LOW GTC/PLEX prices make a lot more people want to start playing, and make older people want to reactivate more of their old accounts. The only people that HATE low ISK prices of GTC/PLEX are people that SELL them in order to get ISK. You know, those guys you went on about "who would be crazy enough to sell a GTC so low" ? Quote: what if some entity is driving the price of isk down? With Real Life dollars being harder to come by why would the price go down? answer.. it wouldnt.. and it doesnt take a genius to see that. And what would be the motherf*ing point of "driving GTC/PLEX prices in ISK down" ?!? If you're an ISK buyer, it makes no sense to sabotage your income source. If you're an ISK seller, you have NO MEANS to drive prices down. If you're a RMT ISK seller, driving them down will only have a temporary effect, and end up costing you more than you could make. No, the decline in GTC/PLEX prices is simply the PLEX/GTC speculation price bubble caused by "PLEX for FanFest" popping** with supply/demand realigning the price level to where it should NATURALLY have been. It doesn't take a genius to see you're full of crap. Or maybe it does. _ Info about our corp \| Beginer's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
karma Reigns	Posted - 2009.08.31 14:57:00 - [33] Originally by: Orthaen Those replies were absolute rubbish, you didn't even try to disagree with me with anything other then a "NO WAI UR RONG". Come on Karma, you were on a decent role, keep it coming. Oh yeah, go look up "ratio" If there was a point I would have... I went through your whole post.. would you like me to do it again and further explain why its all garbage
Hoo Is	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa C-C-C-Combo breaker!! Quoting to confirm, not only is Siigari fail at fitting ships, fail at losing ships, but also fail at using Memes ---- a reply which adds nothing to a thread or results in a thread being bumped with no new discussion worthy content is considered spam and as such warrants a forum ban
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:08:00 - [35] Originally by: Hoo Is Originally by: Siigari Kitawa C-C-C-Combo breaker!! Quoting to confirm, not only is Siigari fail at fitting ships, fail at losing ships, but also fail at using Memes That's not fair, he's pretty pro at losing ships.
karma Reigns	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:17:00 - [36] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: karma Reigns I feel like the price for GTC cards should be regulated by eve. I feel like the price of crude oil should be 10 dollars a barrel, and regulated by my great-aunt. Quote: Our Real Life dollars should not be eve economy driven. They're not. When was the last time you heard "panic on Wall Street, the economy is threatened by Kernite macro-miners" ? Quote: When the norm since I have started the game has been minimum 700 mill. When I started the game it was 300 mil for 90 days or 39$. At its peak it was nearly 1000 mil for 60 days or 35$. Quote: Why would someone sell a 60 Day GTC which cost 34.99 for 530 mill? Why WOULDN'T they ? There are people who STILL sell theirs at 700 while others sell at 500 and vice-versa. People in a hurry that want to "get it now" will make concessions, others will simply wait until they get the price they want. Quote: This is going to create dissatisfaction throughout the game for new players. The only ones who can take advantage of this are the older or more experienced players who have the ability to make substantial isk. Right... because a one-month old character COULDN'T POSSSIBLY be making 10 mil ISK a day to buy his own PLEX/GTC when needed ? If anything, LOW GTC/PLEX prices make a lot more people want to start playing, and make older people want to reactivate more of their old accounts. The only people that HATE low ISK prices of GTC/PLEX are people that SELL them in order to get ISK. You know, those guys you went on about "who would be crazy enough to sell a GTC so low" ? Quote: what if some entity is driving the price of isk down? With Real Life dollars being harder to come by why would the price go down? answer.. it wouldnt.. and it doesnt take a genius to see that. And what would be the motherf*ing point of "driving GTC/PLEX prices in ISK down" ?!? If you're an ISK buyer, it makes no sense to sabotage your income source. If you're an ISK seller, you have NO MEANS to drive prices down. If you're a RMT ISK seller, driving them down will only have a temporary effect, and end up costing you more than you could make. No, the decline in GTC/PLEX prices is simply the PLEX/GTC speculation price bubble caused by "PLEX for FanFest" popping** with supply/demand realigning the price level to where it should NATURALLY have been. It doesn't take a genius to see you're full of crap. Or maybe it does. people like you should have handlers..... Dont forget your helmet before you leave the basement...
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:21:00 - [37] Originally by: karma Reigns people like you should have handlers..... Dont forget your helmet before you leave the basement... Sorry for destroying your "argument" so thoroughly that your only recourse was to resort to an "ad hominem" attack... I'll try to leave some weak points in it next time, so you can have something to try to reply to, okies ? ktxbye _ Info about our corp \| Beginer's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
karma Reigns	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:21:00 - [38] People if you dont understand the post.. dont reply. Seriously. This post wasnt meant for window lickers, or the "Special ones".. If you dont have the ability to understand it.. obviously your response is going to be sub par... and no that wasnt an invitiation to you nerds that want to argue and show yourself how smart you are
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:22:00 - [39] Originally by: karma Reigns people like you should have handlers..... Dont forget your helmet before you leave the basement... She must have owned you pretty badly, if that is the best comeback you can manage.
Clytamnestra Aliastra	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:22:00 - [40] Originally by: karma Reigns Originally by: Akita T <snip> people like you should have handlers..... Dont forget your helmet before you leave the basement... Oh come on, you said you wanted proper arguments. These are the best ones presented. Would you mind doing a proper reply?
Caldari Citizen656231	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:28:00 - [41] Originally by: karma Reigns WOW... sheep you guys are all sheep... its sad. My theory is sound. There is no disputing it. And there is a need to buy GTC's.. you 03 players didnt have 1996 players to deal with.. the way the 09 players have 03 players to deal with. and unless someone can prove that there is a decreased demand for playing time.. its all nonsense Can I have proof.. not opinion please Well actually... You have the burden of proof (if you even know what that means). You see, it's impossible to prove a negative. So we can't disprove your point, but until you provide evidence your claim may as well be as strong as the "world is flat" argument. Also, your argument is clearly lacking in the whole supply and demand department. My previous post of Unholy Rage plays very well into why the market is suddenly going out of whack. Less macro miners paying for subs through plexes means less demand and the supply is not getting smaller which means the price for the plexes drops. Until you provide actual evidence you are nothing more than a troll and a poor one at that.
karma Reigns	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:36:00 - [42] Originally by: karma Reigns Originally by: Akita T Originally by: karma Reigns I feel like the price for GTC cards should be regulated by eve. I feel like the price of crude oil should be 10 dollars a barrel, and regulated by my great-aunt. Garbage no point Quote: Our Real Life dollars should not be eve economy driven. They're not. When was the last time you heard "panic on Wall Street, the economy is threatened by Kernite macro-miners" ? more garbage.. no point..READ MY ORIGINAL POST Quote: When the norm since I have started the game has been minimum 700 mill. When I started the game it was 300 mil for 90 days or 39$. At its peak it was nearly 1000 mil for 60 days or 35$. Best line of your post Quote: Why would someone sell a 60 Day GTC which cost 34.99 for 530 mill? Why WOULDN'T they ? There are people who STILL sell theirs at 700 while others sell at 500 and vice-versa. People in a hurry that want to "get it now" will make concessions, others will simply wait until they get the price they want. Yes you are correct.. So then, Everyone is in a hurry is what you are saying. Akita it doesnt take a genius to know that sometimes people sell things at a discount.. I mean come on.. is that really an argument. It has NOTHING to do with common GTC transaction and the decline which we are in.. Quote: This is going to create dissatisfaction throughout the game for new players. The only ones who can take advantage of this are the older or more experienced players who have the ability to make substantial isk. Right... because a one-month old character COULDN'T POSSSIBLY be making 10 mil ISK a day to buy his own PLEX/GTC when needed ? Yes he could but there are so many other things other than plex cards.. you know like skills, mods, or god forbid you want an implant.. more nonsense posted by you If anything, LOW GTC/PLEX prices make a lot more people want to start playing, and make older people want to reactivate more of their old accounts. You just proved my point.. thank you.. I am speaking on behalf of the NEW players here. anybody home? The only people that HATE low ISK prices of GTC/PLEX are people that SELL them in order to get ISK. You just proved my point again.. thank you twice.. we actually have already established this fact You know, those guys you went on about "who would be crazy enough to sell a GTC so low" ? Quote: what if some entity is driving the price of isk down? With Real Life dollars being harder to come by why would the price go down? answer.. it wouldnt.. and it doesnt take a genius to see that. And what would be the motherf*ing point of "driving GTC/PLEX prices in ISK down" ?!? So the GTC retailers would have people buying more than one 60 Day GTC card for the same isk as one used to give them. Did I really have to say that... Selling two 60 day cards makes them more than selling 1... If you're an ISK buyer, it makes no sense to sabotage your income source. wow was that a serious statement? If you're an ISK seller, you have NO MEANS to drive prices down. You do if you are the company selling it If you're a RMT ISK seller, driving them down will only have a temporary effect, and end up costing you more than you could make. not when its real life money being spent No, the decline in GTC/PLEX prices is simply the PLEX/GTC speculation price bubble caused by "PLEX for FanFest" popping with supply/demand realigning the price level to where it should NATURALLY have been. naturally huh... there is no natural about a digital video game there genius It doesn't take a genius to see you're full of crap. Or maybe it does. people like you should have handlers..... Dont forget your helmet before you leave the basement... <---- what he said**
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:38:00 - [43] Originally by: karma Reigns Originally by: karma Reigns Originally by: Akita T Originally by: karma Reigns I feel like the price for GTC cards should be regulated by eve. I feel like the price of crude oil should be 10 dollars a barrel, and regulated by my great-aunt. Garbage no point Quote: Our Real Life dollars should not be eve economy driven. They're not. When was the last time you heard "panic on Wall Street, the economy is threatened by Kernite macro-miners" ? more garbage.. no point..READ MY ORIGINAL POST Quote: When the norm since I have started the game has been minimum 700 mill. When I started the game it was 300 mil for 90 days or 39$. At its peak it was nearly 1000 mil for 60 days or 35$. Best line of your post Quote: Why would someone sell a 60 Day GTC which cost 34.99 for 530 mill? Why WOULDN'T they ? There are people who STILL sell theirs at 700 while others sell at 500 and vice-versa. People in a hurry that want to "get it now" will make concessions, others will simply wait until they get the price they want. Yes you are correct.. So then, Everyone is in a hurry is what you are saying. Akita it doesnt take a genius to know that sometimes people sell things at a discount.. I mean come on.. is that really an argument. It has NOTHING to do with common GTC transaction and the decline which we are in.. Quote: This is going to create dissatisfaction throughout the game for new players. The only ones who can take advantage of this are the older or more experienced players who have the ability to make substantial isk. Right... because a one-month old character COULDN'T POSSSIBLY be making 10 mil ISK a day to buy his own PLEX/GTC when needed ? Yes he could but there are so many other things other than plex cards.. you know like skills, mods, or god forbid you want an implant.. more nonsense posted by you If anything, LOW GTC/PLEX prices make a lot more people want to start playing, and make older people want to reactivate more of their old accounts. You just proved my point.. thank you.. I am speaking on behalf of the NEW players here. anybody home? The only people that HATE low ISK prices of GTC/PLEX are people that SELL them in order to get ISK. You just proved my point again.. thank you twice.. we actually have already established this fact You know, those guys you went on about "who would be crazy enough to sell a GTC so low" ? Quote: what if some entity is driving the price of isk down? With Real Life dollars being harder to come by why would the price go down? answer.. it wouldnt.. and it doesnt take a genius to see that. And what would be the motherf*ing point of "driving GTC/PLEX prices in ISK down" ?!? So the GTC retailers would have people buying more than one 60 Day GTC card for the same isk as one used to give them. Did I really have to say that... Selling two 60 day cards makes them more than selling 1... If you're an ISK buyer, it makes no sense to sabotage your income source. wow was that a serious statement? If you're an ISK seller, you have NO MEANS to drive prices down. You do if you are the company selling it If you're a RMT ISK seller, driving them down will only have a temporary effect, and end up costing you more than you could make. not when its real life money being spent No, the decline in GTC/PLEX prices is simply the PLEX/GTC speculation price bubble caused by "PLEX for FanFest" popping with supply/demand realigning the price level to where it should NATURALLY have been. naturally huh... there is no natural about a digital video game there genius It doesn't take a genius to see you're full of crap. Or maybe it does. people like you should have handlers..... Dont forget your helmet before you leave the basement... <---- what he said I don't get it, you're quoting yourself? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by:** CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Crystal Tigress	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:42:00 - [44] As far as I am concerned, it is all good. The prices were way too high for some months. I remember a time where 30 days cost 100 mill ISK. Why should whiney, greedy GTC sellers get all my ISK that I earn honestly within Eve? Geeez, no. Eve economy 4tw. * * * * * Crystal Tigress * * * * * I build characters for resale - can build specific characters to your needs. Send me an eve-mail. * * * * *
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:46:00 - [45] I do miss the days of 90 days for 400m :/ _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
karma Reigns	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:47:00 - [46] Originally by: Caldari Citizen656231 Originally by: karma Reigns WOW... sheep you guys are all sheep... its sad. My theory is sound. There is no disputing it. And there is a need to buy GTC's.. you 03 players didnt have 1996 players to deal with.. the way the 09 players have 03 players to deal with. and unless someone can prove that there is a decreased demand for playing time.. its all nonsense Can I have proof.. not opinion please Well actually... You have the burden of proof (if you even know what that means). You see, it's impossible to prove a negative. So we can't disprove your point, but until you provide evidence your claim may as well be as strong as the "world is flat" argument. Also, your argument is clearly lacking in the whole supply and demand department. My previous post of Unholy Rage plays very well into why the market is suddenly going out of whack. Less macro miners paying for subs through plexes means less demand and the supply is not getting smaller which means the price for the plexes drops. Until you provide actual evidence you are nothing more than a troll and a poor one at that. thank you thank you thank you about time someone with a brain.. please dont insult me with the burden of proof comment.. you should know better. This whole post was only to show that there is a way that 3rd party GTC retailers could scam us out of Real Life money.. by dropping the isk selling price of 60 day time cards by creating a false ceiling that only serves one purpose.. to make them more money.. and my proof is in the Time code Bizaar.. Everyone knows the World economy is in a recession. Why would the value of isk per unit go up and our dollar amount in relationship to isk go down in a reccession.. it wouldnt... but judging from some of these comments.. LOL I can see why it may... frikin sheep!!!!
Mira O'karr Minmatar UK1 Zero	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:47:00 - [47] i think the only interesting observation is that prices have gone down since the macros disappeared. i guess they could afford to pay any price and didnt worry about it. so they screwed the regular joe by driving the price up. so now we are at an affordable level for a regular player, whats the problem with that? curious how it will be in 1 or 2 months time when undoubtedly the macros will be back.
karma Reigns	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:49:00 - [48] Originally by: Clytamnestra Originally by: karma Reigns Originally by: Akita T <snip> people like you should have handlers..... Dont forget your helmet before you leave the basement... Oh come on, you said you wanted proper arguments. These are the best ones presented. Would you mind doing a proper reply? I never said I wanted proper arguments... I didnt even want anyones opinion as a matter of fact.. I was only stating a possible flaw in the isk for dollars transaction method. thats it.. I only went on to say if you dont understand then dont post because of the rediculous responses
wickedpheonix Guy Fawkes Trust Fund	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:49:00 - [49] Originally by: karma Reigns WOW... sheep you guys are all sheep... its sad. My theory is sound. There is no disputing it. And there is a need to buy GTC's.. you 03 players didnt have 1996 players to deal with.. the way the 09 players have 03 players to deal with. and unless someone can prove that there is a decreased demand for playing time.. its all nonsense Can I have proof.. not opinion please It's pretty simple: for every person who comes and whines that they're getting less ISK for their money, another player cheers that it's become more affordable for them to pay with ISK. So let's look at free-market economics, shall we? 1) " I feel like the price for GTC cards should be regulated by eve" So in other words, you'd like to institute price controls. What happens as a result of price controls is scarcity - when the price controls favor the seller, buyers are less inclined to buy because it's more expensive for them than it should be under a free market. As a result, you have few buyers, just like the lack of buyers keeps the price from fluctuating too high in a free-market and just like it keeps the price from fluctuating too low (since no sellers would then want to sell - as evident by your complaining here). A free market ensures that items sell for what they are actually worth at any given time. 2) " That being said it seems to me under normal circumstances they would not of there own accord lower the selling price for Real money spent." Well let's re-look at who has power right now in this free-market economy: if the price is low, then buyers have more power over the price, since sellers keep reducing the price until they're able to move product, i.e. supply is high and demand is low. If the price is high, then sellers have more power over the price, since they need to increase the price in order to make sure that they will continue to have some kind of supply in stock (and of course, make some money), i.e. demand is high and supply is low. Under these circumstances then, it's not really up to the seller what the price is going to be for his product if he want's to be able to sell it, since right now buyers have more power in the market. Wait for demand to go back up (as it was driven by speculation a while ago, as mentioned earlier at the 400m point) and the price of the PLEX will as well. 3) "what if some entity is driving the price of isk down?" Yeah, the lack of buyers. See above. There's no conspiracy here, just free market economics in action, and that's part of what makes EVE so great. 4) " I suggest a standard price. between 700-850 mill for GTC cards. Remove the free market aspect of these sales!!" Then you miss the whole point of why the GTC market works. PLEX's are not sold to "print" new ISK into the EVE economy - the way you would remove the free-market basis is if you sold directly to CCP, i.e. the government, which can ensure a stable demand even with price controls in place. But then you wouldn't be selling to the player anymore. The whole and utter reason why the PLEX system works is because when you buy a PLEX and sell it to another character who is using the PLEX system for "play2pay", then you, the GTC buyer, are paying for his game time. The whole reason why you're inclined to pay for a complete stranger's play time, is that you're getting ISK for it. The whole situation just so randomly happens to be a nice foundation for the war against illegal ISK sellers. But if one could sell GTC's to CCP, then CCP would be literally just printing more money, thus driving up inflation, and nobody would benefit. If you want "proof" of anything I said above, feel free to look up why the US is still around in this day and age, the Soviet Union is gone and collapsed, and why 3rd world nations are moving towards capitalist, free-market systems.
eliminator2 Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:50:00 - [50] i have no problem with the change in GTC prices i sell them myself and there my main income i used to buy 2 at most a month when at 700-800 but now maybe 3 but im not bothered becaus ei know some day they will go higher thats the fun of eve nothing stays the same everything changes even stuff you buy with rl money ----------------------------------------------- i met Eliminator1..... i ate it and spat it out now hes my minion :) i kill miners and missioners people say, i call them target practise
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:55:00 - [51] Edited by: Akita T on 31/08/2009 15:56:50 Originally by: karma Reigns I never said I wanted proper arguments... I didnt even want anyones opinion as a matter of fact.. I was only stating a possible flaw in the isk for dollars transaction method. thats it. There's no "flaw" there, the only flaw is in your mind (literally). Let me quote you the so-called "flaw" you mention... Originally by: karma Reigns Think about this... What would stop A GTC retailer from calculating how much income is earned from selling GTC cards normally, Frequentcy of purchases, by what members, etc etc and make an economically feasible decision to hire people to play and sell cards at a reduced isk price for an overall gain that could pay the wages of its employees with a greater profit margin in the end. What would ? Oh, I don't know... maybe THE FACT THAT HE CAN'T SELL ISK FOR REAL-WORLD CASH WITHOUT RISKING TO GET SHAFTED BY CCP IF DISCOVERED ?!? Do you even know what you're describing there ? It's NOT an official GTC reseller, it's a ISK RMTer, and CCP is basically on a holy crusade against them, with the current GTC/PLEX usage and trading mechanics being one of the most effective tools at their disposal to combat them. How the ** did you think THAT could work ? I mean, seriously, what was your thought process on that, how exactly did you envision that "scheme" of yours working ? Do you even KNOW what the rules of GTC/PLEX usage and trading ARE ?!? Quote:** The fact that this is a possibility is so overwhelming that this probably should have been addressed before this post... /facepalm _ Info about our corp \| Beginer's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
Caldari Citizen656231	Posted - 2009.08.31 15:57:00 - [52] Originally by: karma Reigns Originally by: Caldari Citizen656231 Originally by: karma Reigns WOW... sheep you guys are all sheep... its sad. My theory is sound. There is no disputing it. And there is a need to buy GTC's.. you 03 players didnt have 1996 players to deal with.. the way the 09 players have 03 players to deal with. and unless someone can prove that there is a decreased demand for playing time.. its all nonsense Can I have proof.. not opinion please Well actually... You have the burden of proof (if you even know what that means). You see, it's impossible to prove a negative. So we can't disprove your point, but until you provide evidence your claim may as well be as strong as the "world is flat" argument. Also, your argument is clearly lacking in the whole supply and demand department. My previous post of Unholy Rage plays very well into why the market is suddenly going out of whack. Less macro miners paying for subs through plexes means less demand and the supply is not getting smaller which means the price for the plexes drops. Until you provide actual evidence you are nothing more than a troll and a poor one at that. thank you thank you thank you about time someone with a brain.. please dont insult me with the burden of proof comment.. you should know better. This whole post was only to show that there is a way that 3rd party GTC retailers could scam us out of Real Life money.. by dropping the isk selling price of 60 day time cards by creating a false ceiling that only serves one purpose.. to make them more money.. and my proof is in the Time code Bizaar.. Everyone knows the World economy is in a recession. Why would the value of isk per unit go up and our dollar amount in relationship to isk go down in a reccession.. it wouldnt... but judging from some of these comments.. LOL I can see why it may... frikin sheep!!!! You ignored my call for proof and distort my argument to try and make it align with yours. The RMT macro miners weren't trying to manipulate the price of GTCs. They could care less about that since they deal with "real money." The point is that since the isk they harvest is "free" they will pay whatever they want to ensure that the miners continue to make money. And your argument contradicts your original statement about price control. It's ok for the dollar:isk ratio to go up but not down? Because that is essentially what you are saying. If the isk price states at a certain level while the vaule of the dollar goes down who suffers? The GTC seller and they will be less likely to sell them and then guess what? No more GTCs so now the consumer is hurt by your "solution."
karma Reigns	Posted - 2009.08.31 16:05:00 - [53] Originally by: Mira O'karr i think the only interesting observation is that prices have gone down since the macros disappeared. i guess they could afford to pay any price and didnt worry about it. so they screwed the regular joe by driving the price up. so now we are at an affordable level for a regular player, whats the problem with that? curious how it will be in 1 or 2 months time when undoubtedly the macros will be back. ok, I see your point.. I gues that I have only been playing a short time and am used to it being a certain amount.. with a 5-10 percent increase or decrease in either way.. I mean old prices are a little irrelavant (cause my dad bought a 69 chevy in 69 that cost him 3k) and that price does not apply now...but you do have a great point. hmm but you dont think that in the interest of profit per player and the GTC retailers ability to manipulate the market needs to have a safeguard?
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.08.31 16:05:00 - [54] This is what OP is saying: Companies like Battleclinic and Shattered Crystal hire people to play the game. They provide people with GTC's they themselves can buy from CCP for say, $12,50. They put a 1,000 GTC's on the ISK market, costing them $12,500. This drops the ISK/dollar conversion, so people need to buy more GTC's to get the same amount of ISK. The people buying more GTC's would cover the $12,500 plus add a tidy profit on top. In other words, the OP is conspiracy nut. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Caldari Citizen656231	Posted - 2009.08.31 16:06:00 - [55] Originally by: karma Reigns Originally by: Mira O'karr i think the only interesting observation is that prices have gone down since the macros disappeared. i guess they could afford to pay any price and didnt worry about it. so they screwed the regular joe by driving the price up. so now we are at an affordable level for a regular player, whats the problem with that? curious how it will be in 1 or 2 months time when undoubtedly the macros will be back. ok, I see your point.. I gues that I have only been playing a short time and am used to it being a certain amount.. with a 5-10 percent increase or decrease in either way.. I mean old prices are a little irrelavant (cause my dad bought a 69 chevy in 69 that cost him 3k) and that price does not apply now...but you do have a great point. hmm but you dont think that in the interest of profit per player and the GTC retailers ability to manipulate the market needs to have a safeguard? They aren't manipulating the market you twit! It's called inflation! INFLATION!
karma Reigns	Posted - 2009.08.31 16:07:00 - [56] Originally by: eliminator2 i have no problem with the change in GTC prices i sell them myself and there my main income i used to buy 2 at most a month when at 700-800 but now maybe 3 but im not bothered becaus ei know some day they will go higher thats the fun of eve nothing stays the same everything changes even stuff you buy with rl money yeah but you just proved my point.. see how he has to spend more RL money to get the same isk but hey if you dont mind then I guess its ok...lol.. WOW
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.08.31 16:10:00 - [57] Looks at ingame wallet/ship collection (LOTS! NOM NOM NOM) Looks at how many GTC's he's sold (Zero) Laughs maniacally I love faction ships. Not to mention all the times i screw up and have to replace them. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.31 16:10:00 - [58] ITT: People replying to a hacked account rmt seller who is prissed his entire companys supply of eve characters got biomasssed in a single night and so cut them out of the isk selling business. 10/10 Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal
Myra2007 Shafrak Industries	Posted - 2009.08.31 16:10:00 - [59] Originally by: Akita T There's no "flaw" there, the only flaw is in your mind (literally). That totally cracked me up. Go Akita! -- Originally by: Professor Slocombe I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
Amanda Mor	Posted - 2009.08.31 16:11:00 - [60] Posting to confirm that Karma took a community college economics class and almost made it thru to the mid term exams. Also, Karma has apparently aced the final exams of "Arguing over the Internet", which includes training in 'ignoring others arguments', 'assuming their own argument is foolproof and only an idiot would dispute it', and 'hypocrisy'. Congratulations.

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