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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.09.01 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: wickedpheonix
Agreed. My Golem does 8,000+ damage per volley in a mission.
Nerf missiles. /sarcasm
Hmm, take that into PvP and get back to us
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master chiefy
Caldari Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.01 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw 100 odd points in IQ wasted?
100% smart***
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.09.01 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux
Originally by: Zulf BesGUowy Edited by: Zulf BesGUowy on 01/09/2009 02:34:31 Missile rox,5.5mil sp here in missile,i remember day when we shot to pos,apocalipse pilots scream shame one caldari bs in fleet crap dmg!after pos kill i chek kill mail 5 or 6 bs megathorn-apoc pilots with t1-named guns do less dmg at my scrop with 4x cruise t2 btw look som killboard meny top dmg dealer in top place,cerberus.
my big question is what did you edit?
He editted anything that was correct to match the rest of his post.
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Cyan Blackadder
CBI
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Posted - 2009.09.01 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: xOm3gAx Edited by: xOm3gAx on 01/09/2009 01:23:57
Originally by: Cyan Blackadder Webbed and scrambled by my Caracal with Assault Missile Launchers and 2* BCU II:
[ 2009.08.30 20:58:59 ] (combat) Bloodclaw Precision Light Missile hits L***G*** [PN4]'Ishkur'(Ishkur) for 16 damage.
Thanks.
Edited: Trained reading comprehension +1.
Anyway WTF are you doing with light missiles on a caracal? Next time add target painters and use heavies you'll do more dmg.
Painters, as in more than 1? I have 5 mid slots, and it's supposed to shield tank some amount of damage to make it surbive to 10 secs it needs to change ammo type needed.
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Cyan Blackadder
CBI
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Posted - 2009.09.01 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: xOm3gAx Edited by: xOm3gAx on 01/09/2009 01:23:57
Originally by: Cyan Blackadder Webbed and scrambled by my Caracal with Assault Missile Launchers and 2* BCU II:
[ 2009.08.30 20:58:59 ] (combat) Bloodclaw Precision Light Missile hits L***G*** [PN4]'Ishkur'(Ishkur) for 16 damage.
Thanks.
Edited: Trained reading comprehension +1.
Anyway WTF are you doing with light missiles on a caracal? Next time add target painters and use heavies you'll do more dmg.
My experience with heavy missiles against frigate type ships that move slightly faster than the wind speed of a fart is that they do appalling damage. Also fitting target painters along with web and scram and mwd leaves this cruiser paper thin.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.09.01 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Train for a race with real ships
I did and I still ended up with a caracal
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Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.09.01 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cyan Blackadder Webbed and scrambled by my Caracal with Assault Missile Launchers and 2* BCU II:
[ 2009.08.30 20:58:59 ] (combat) Bloodclaw Precision Light Missile hits L***G*** [PN4]'Ishkur'(Ishkur) for 16 damage.
Thanks.
It doesnt mean that missiles are bad. It means that after training missiles for 15mil SP you still have absolutely no clue how to use them.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.09.01 08:09:00 -
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You have more SP in missiles than me, but I've never lost a 1v1 vs. an AF in my AML Caracal. But, then again, I don't do stupid things like firing Bloodclaw at T2 Gallente or Caldari...
Solo AML Caracal wants dual web and disruptor. MWD and LSE for the other two slots. Bang, dead AF.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.09.01 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Cyan Blackadder Webbed and scrambled by my Caracal with Assault Missile Launchers and 2* BCU II:
[ 2009.08.30 20:58:59 ] (combat) Bloodclaw Precision Light Missile hits L***G*** [PN4]'Ishkur'(Ishkur) for 16 damage.
Thanks.
Dont use Kinetics on gallante T2
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.09.01 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: xOm3gAx Edited by: xOm3gAx on 01/09/2009 01:23:57
Originally by: Cyan Blackadder Webbed and scrambled by my Caracal with Assault Missile Launchers and 2* BCU II:
[ 2009.08.30 20:58:59 ] (combat) Bloodclaw Precision Light Missile hits L***G*** [PN4]'Ishkur'(Ishkur) for 16 damage.
Thanks.
Edited: Trained reading comprehension +1.
Anyway WTF are you doing with light missiles on a caracal? Next time add target painters and use heavies you'll do more dmg.
No it actually works pretty well as a frigate killer.
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Yazus Kor
Preta Light Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.01 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Irida Mershkov nerf caracal, it killed an enyo. :(
You have to fail fairly hard to lose an Enyo to a Caracal. I mean really.
"Beware, you who seek first and final principles, for you are trampling the garden of an angry God and he awaits you just beyond the last theorem." |
The AEther
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.09.01 08:19:00 -
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may i also suggest shooting some explosive missiles at amarr and coming back to tell us what you have found
Link to PVP University |
Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.09.01 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
How can you get to 15 mill SP in missiles and not know any of this?
he's caldari... from the same caldari that complain ravens can't do any damage in sniper fleets thx to flight time. ------------------------------
Just a crazy inventor ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
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Cyan Blackadder
CBI
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Posted - 2009.09.01 09:40:00 -
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Thank you for all the fail posts. I know I had the wrong missile type, said so it was my bad before. It's just that reloading any other type of missile would have taken 10 secs, or in other words instant death, but ok.
Also I don't rely on being able to double web the target, a smart pilot stays out of web range.
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Cyan Blackadder
CBI
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Posted - 2009.09.01 09:50:00 -
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Edited by: Cyan Blackadder on 01/09/2009 09:56:17
Originally by: Gypsio III Edited by: Gypsio III on 01/09/2009 08:17:17
You have more SP in missiles than me, but I've never lost a 1v1 vs. an AF in my AML Caracal. But, then again, I don't do stupid things like firing Bloodclaw at T2 Gallente or Caldari...
Solo AML Caracal wants dual web and disruptor. MWD and LSE for the other two slots. Bang, dead AF.
And don't use Precisions either. After you've dual-webbed your AB target, you'll do much more damage with CN. Even in suboptimal conditions, Precision only does a bit more damage than CN, but with half the range, making a reload to Precisions hardly ever worth it.
How can you get to 15 mill SP in missiles and not know any of this?
Excuse me for being stupid....but wtf has half the range anything to do with it? I mean your target is double webbed and scrambled, it has to be closer than 10km anyways. I take T2 precisions because they are specially designed to put out max damage against small, fast moving ships, due to high explosion velocity and lower radius namely.
How can you not know any of this?
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.09.01 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: Gypsio III on 01/09/2009 09:56:11
Originally by: Cyan Blackadder Thank you for all the fail posts. I know I had the wrong missile type, said so it was my bad before. It's just that reloading any other type of missile would have taken 10 secs, or in other words instant death, but ok.
Also I don't rely on being able to double web the target, a smart pilot stays out of web range.
*Most* AF pilots are in love with their ABs and will come within web range. With a MWD, you can dictate range on them while hitting them, then come into web range if necessary, dual web them and kill them easily.
If the AF has a MWD and attempts to kite you, well, try to web him yourself. Even if you can't, your missiles will be doing good damage because of his sig bloom and he simply won't kill you. He'll try to disengage, so keep an eye on range and overheat point, MWD and launchers when he tries to break point.
Ten seconds may seem like a while, but it isn't that bad. It takes a Caracal ~5 seconds to lock an Ishkur in the first place. And you should have seen the Ishkur on scan anyway... (not much help if it just undocked or jumped in though!). The extra damage dealt by using EM or explo very quickly makes up for the reload time, particularly against an active tank.
Also, bring FOFs, of all damage types. And I trust that you had a couple of Warrior IIs in your Caracal as well?
Quote: Excuse me for being stupid....but wtf has half the range anything to do with it? I mean your target is double webbed and scrambled, it has to be closer than 10km anyways. I take T2 precisions because they are specially designed to put out max damage against small, fast moving ships, due to high explosion velocity namely.
How can you not know any of this?
*Facepalm*
Extra range - useful when extra **** turns up. Having to reload when an Ares comes in and orbits at 25 km because stupid Precisions don't have the range to hit it isn't clever.
Precisions have much lower base damage than CN. So if you're doing full damage anyway (dual webbed AB AF), then CN is much better than Precision. If you're not doing full damage, then it's because you haven't webbed the AF because it's MWDing and is kiting you, then the crappy range of Precisions is not good. Even if they are hitting they'll only be doing ~3% more damage than CN. Precisions simply aren't worth it.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.01 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Cyan Blackadder It's just that reloading any other type of missile would have taken 10 secs, or in other words instant death, but ok.
He wouldn't suddenly have increased his damage output because you chose to reload, so no instand death there. If you had died in those 10s anyway, then the problem isn't with your choice of weapons but with your lack of tank. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Cyan Blackadder
CBI
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Posted - 2009.09.01 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III Edited by: Gypsio III on 01/09/2009 09:56:11
Originally by: Cyan Blackadder Thank you for all the fail posts. I know I had the wrong missile type, said so it was my bad before. It's just that reloading any other type of missile would have taken 10 secs, or in other words instant death, but ok.
Also I don't rely on being able to double web the target, a smart pilot stays out of web range.
*Most* AF pilots are in love with their ABs and will come within web range. With a MWD, you can dictate range on them while hitting them, then come into web range if necessary, dual web them and kill them easily.
If the AF has a MWD and attempts to kite you, well, try to web him yourself. Even if you can't, your missiles will be doing good damage because of his sig bloom and he simply won't kill you. He'll try to disengage, so keep an eye on range and overheat point, MWD and launchers when he tries to break point.
Ten seconds may seem like a while, but it isn't that bad. It takes a Caracal ~5 seconds to lock an Ishkur in the first place. And you should have seen the Ishkur on scan anyway... (not much help if it just undocked or jumped in though!). The extra damage dealt by using EM or explo very quickly makes up for the reload time, particularly against an active tank.
Also, bring FOFs, of all damage types. And I trust that you had a couple of Warrior IIs in your Caracal as well?
Quote: Excuse me for being stupid....but wtf has half the range anything to do with it? I mean your target is double webbed and scrambled, it has to be closer than 10km anyways. I take T2 precisions because they are specially designed to put out max damage against small, fast moving ships, due to high explosion velocity namely.
How can you not know any of this?
*Facepalm*
Extra range - useful when extra **** turns up. Having to reload when an Ares comes in and orbits at 25 km because stupid Precisions don't have the range to hit it isn't clever.
Precisions have much lower base damage than CN. So if you're doing full damage anyway (dual webbed AB AF), then CN is much better than Precision. If you're not doing full damage, then it's because you haven't webbed the AF because it's MWDing and is kiting you, then the crappy range of Precisions is not good. Even if they are hitting they'll only be doing ~3% more damage than CN. Precisions simply aren't worth it.
Ok you are right. Fyi, just checked my stats and Precisions have 3.75 secs flight time and 8437 m/s speed, so in fact you get a bit over 30km range, but ok.
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Sturmwolke
Genyosha Legion
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Posted - 2009.09.01 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Manu Hermanus
Originally by: Sturmwolke
Originally by: Cyan Blackadder Yes I see now....85% res on kinetic.....my bad.
15mil in missiles and doesn't intuitively switch to the correct dmg types vs target? Fail missile boat pilot.
Go back to missile school, create a flash card of all known T1 and T2 combat ships and mark down their worst estimated PVP resist for standard builds. Do the flashes, you'll see the pattern soon enough.
but kinetic damage bonus
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.09.01 10:49:00 -
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missiles have their advantages.
They dont need cap for shooting and have no tracking so they usually hit. Its a nightmare to engage a drake knowing you cant stop it hitting you with the missiles. ECM may work but there are F.O.F. missiles they keep hitting you even while jammed. Besides that, try to hit a ceptor with a turret, missiles do this job perfectly.
Just use the proper ship for proper purpose.
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Saartje Sarel
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Posted - 2009.09.01 10:59:00 -
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Wow, a two page thread born out of what is essentially a childish and utterly abstracted whine. Impressive stuff!
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Grez
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.09.01 12:08:00 -
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A ship with turrets would probably never of hit that target, so what are you complaining about? ---
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Another Liberthas
Caldari Ha'Menudim SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.09.01 12:09:00 -
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Missiles are good, turrets are good. Missiles are bad, turrets are bad.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.09.01 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Yazus Kor
Originally by: Irida Mershkov nerf caracal, it killed an enyo. :(
You have to fail fairly hard to lose an Enyo to a Caracal. I mean really.
Wasn't mine, I don't fly Enyos, they suck.
An Enyo. Not Mine.
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.09.01 12:41:00 -
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If it hasn't been said yet...
THIS IS GAME! *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |
Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.09.01 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cyan Blackadder Webbed and scrambled by my Caracal with Assault Missile Launchers and 2* BCU II:
[ 2009.08.30 20:58:59 ] (combat) Bloodclaw Precision Light Missile hits L***G*** [PN4]'Ishkur'(Ishkur) for 16 damage.
Thanks.
Enjoy your speed nerf. - Support DISBANDING the Alliance CCP Renamed at the Alliance's Request |
PoorManBoy
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Posted - 2009.09.01 13:23:00 -
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"The extra damage dealt by using EM or explo very quickly makes up for the reload time, particularly against an active tank."
So... EM is the shield's weakness, so you should always hit a drake with EM? be wasting your ammo against my drake anyways, weakest resist is only 10% less than EM at most
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.09.01 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox If it hasn't been said yet...
THIS IS GAME!
This is Forum
Pick Three: Caldari/PVP/Solo/Success |
Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.01 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox If it hasn't been said yet...
THIS IS GAME!
You lost the game mate. Sorry. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Liquid Glass
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Posted - 2009.09.02 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Liquid Glass on 02/09/2009 13:57:58 Amusing. Too bad a blob jumped in and saved him. He was in armor when I popped. Gotta love those AML Caracal pilots who think it is a "Win Button" and that all they have to do is spam missiles. And since you posted with an alt and didn't edit my name out... here's my loss mail.
http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4106599
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