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Glazi	Posted - 2009.09.01 17:27:00 - [1] Looking for some clarification on the use of jump freighters/and similar ships in relation to using in and out of a worm hole.... in what way if any can for example can a jump freighter be used? for example could i use one to jump inside a wh if i was in say high sec next to the wh entrance and or a system with in a certain distance? what are thelimitations of such ships
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.09.01 17:28:00 - [2] Wormhole systems are too far away to be reached with jump drives. For all we know they could be in another universe. -------- Ideas for: Mining
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2009.09.01 17:33:00 - [3] Originally by: Abrazzar Wormhole systems are too far away to be reached with jump drives. For all we know they could be in another universe. They're not in another universe thats for sure. How do I know? I can still check my manufacture jobs from K-space by selecting "Entire Universe." But yes, they are probably real far away. So no jump drives. I am curious though. Can you light a cyno in W-space? I've never tried it... _____________________________________________ -Sketch, Certified Pharmacist Need a Boost?
Arous Drephius	Posted - 2009.09.01 17:40:00 - [4] Originally by: XXSketchxx Originally by: Abrazzar Wormhole systems are too far away to be reached with jump drives. For all we know they could be in another universe. They're not in another universe thats for sure. The database says you're wrong. There's an entry in mapuniverse called "EVE Wormhole Universe". Even so, they're effectively in the same universe as your S&I example shows. They are VERY far away as this pic shows.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.01 17:43:00 - [5] No jumping between w- and k-space. The reason: because CCP says so. But what if…? No, because CCP says so. Put another way: you can't do it, and if you somehow find a way, then that's an exploit and you're not allowed to do it anyway. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Benco97 Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.01 17:47:00 - [6] As far as I know there's no actual mechanic in place preventing you from doing a jump it's just that the distances from K-space to W-space are vast. Now, If you were to find two W-space systems that were close together you could jump from one to the other, of course, the chances of finding two W-space systems close enough to jump between are pretty small. Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
rubico1337 Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2009.09.01 19:20:00 - [7] Originally by: Benco97 As far as I know there's no actual mechanic in place preventing you from doing a jump it's just that the distances from K-space to W-space are vast. Now, If you were to find two W-space systems that were close together you could jump from one to the other, of course, the chances of finding two W-space systems close enough to jump between are pretty small. this has been tried, and doesnt work unfortunately. although if it did it would make things in wormhole space much more interesting :) Originally by: Lana Torrin I'm getting pretty ****ed off with the supposedly hard core PvPers complaining about every little thing that gets changed. seriously, more tears than carebears.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2009.09.01 19:23:00 - [8] Originally by: rubico1337 this has been tried, and doesnt work unfortunately. although if it did it would make things in wormhole space much more interesting :) I had the idea a while back to utilize "constellation chat" (you know, the one you close immediately after installing eve on a new computer) to at the very least, "map" constellations, if WH space is indeed organized in this manner. Obviously this would require mass coordination and organization, so its probably a no go _____________________________________________ -Sketch, Certified Pharmacist Need a Boost?
Saint Lazarus Spiorad ag fanaiocht	Posted - 2009.09.01 19:56:00 - [9] So cant caps be made in WH's? Even if we already established they cant move in or out theres still somebody out there crazy enough build a cap in one if they can ----------------- My EvE Comic
B1FF	Posted - 2009.09.01 20:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Saint Lazarus So cant caps be made in WH's? Even if we already established they cant move in or out theres still somebody out there crazy enough build a cap in one if they can Yup it's already happened.

ForceM Gallente POS Builder Inc. Silent Requiem	Posted - 2009.09.01 20:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Saint Lazarus So cant caps be made in WH's? Even if we already established they cant move in or out theres still somebody out there crazy enough build a cap in one if they can Some capitals can be made in a WH system. As long as you dont need sovereighty for it to place the capital ship maintenance array. Now i dont know for sure but i think a carrier itself can be put in a normal ship maint array. Just anything bigger cant (mothership/titan) -----
Saint Lazarus Spiorad ag fanaiocht	Posted - 2009.09.01 20:37:00 - [12] Originally by: ForceM Originally by: Saint Lazarus So cant caps be made in WH's? Even if we already established they cant move in or out theres still somebody out there crazy enough build a cap in one if they can Some capitals can be made in a WH system. As long as you dont need sovereighty for it to place the capital ship maintenance array. Now i dont know for sure but i think a carrier itself can be put in a normal ship maint array. Just anything bigger cant (mothership/titan) So spam POS's in a Class 6+, build Carrier fleet, perma camp sleeper sites, be unstoppable got it :D ----------------- My EvE Comic
Gautan Virdamot Nebula Rasa Vanguard	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Saint Lazarus Originally by: ForceM Originally by: Saint Lazarus So cant caps be made in WH's? Even if we already established they cant move in or out theres still somebody out there crazy enough build a cap in one if they can Some capitals can be made in a WH system. As long as you dont need sovereighty for it to place the capital ship maintenance array. Now i dont know for sure but i think a carrier itself can be put in a normal ship maint array. Just anything bigger cant (mothership/titan) So spam POS's in a Class 6+, build Carrier fleet, perma camp sleeper sites, be unstoppable got it :D You first, build that fleet of carriers and I'll watch them getting banned from wormholes, not moved, just prohibited to use and eat the popcorn while you rage on the boards.
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:20:00 - [14] Originally by: Gautan Virdamot Originally by: Saint Lazarus Originally by: ForceM Originally by: Saint Lazarus So cant caps be made in WH's? Even if we already established they cant move in or out theres still somebody out there crazy enough build a cap in one if they can Some capitals can be made in a WH system. As long as you dont need sovereighty for it to place the capital ship maintenance array. Now i dont know for sure but i think a carrier itself can be put in a normal ship maint array. Just anything bigger cant (mothership/titan) So spam POS's in a Class 6+, build Carrier fleet, perma camp sleeper sites, be unstoppable got it :D You first, build that fleet of carriers and I'll watch them getting banned from wormholes, not moved, just prohibited to use and eat the popcorn while you rage on the boards. I say let them. Sleepers spawn 8 EVIL Battleships for every cap that warps in.
Saint Lazarus Spiorad ag fanaiocht	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Gautan Virdamot Originally by: Saint Lazarus Originally by: ForceM Originally by: Saint Lazarus So cant caps be made in WH's? Even if we already established they cant move in or out theres still somebody out there crazy enough build a cap in one if they can Some capitals can be made in a WH system. As long as you dont need sovereighty for it to place the capital ship maintenance array. Now i dont know for sure but i think a carrier itself can be put in a normal ship maint array. Just anything bigger cant (mothership/titan) So spam POS's in a Class 6+, build Carrier fleet, perma camp sleeper sites, be unstoppable got it :D You first, build that fleet of carriers and I'll watch them getting banned from wormholes, not moved, just prohibited to use and eat the popcorn while you rage on the boards. I was only thinking out loud what others could do, if they can build carriers there then I assume it isnt against the rules otherwise CCP wouldnt have allowed it would they? Anyway I dunt care either way, I dont see it as an imbalance if some corp/allaince wants to invest that much time/effort/ISK into sleeper farming that may or may not pay off ----------------- My EvE Comic
Agent Known Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.09.01 21:50:00 - [16] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain I say let them. Sleepers spawn 8 EVIL Battleships for every cap that warps in. I'm looking forward to a Youtube video of a cap fleet being wtfpwned by sleepers.
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.09.01 22:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Abrazzar Wormhole systems are too far away to be reached with jump drives. For all we know they could be in another universe. How can they be in another universe ?. Universe is one ( that we know of ) they can be in another galaxy or on the other edge of the universe.
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.09.01 22:33:00 - [18] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Originally by: Abrazzar Wormhole systems are too far away to be reached with jump drives. For all we know they could be in another universe. How can they be in another universe ?. Universe is one ( that we know of ) they can be in another galaxy or on the other edge of the universe. Ahem. Considering the laws of Physics seem to change in a few of these locales, (i.e. reduced shield, increased speed) chances are they are outside of the known universe.
rubico1337 Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2009.09.01 23:06:00 - [19] Edited by: rubico1337 on 01/09/2009 23:06:41 Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Originally by: Abrazzar Wormhole systems are too far away to be reached with jump drives. For all we know they could be in another universe. How can they be in another universe ?. Universe is one ( that we know of ) they can be in another galaxy or on the other edge of the universe. Ahem. Considering the laws of Physics seem to change in a few of these locales, (i.e. reduced shield, increased speed) chances are they are outside of the known universe. you have no idea what your talking about do you? i suggest you go out there and try. set up a POS on the test server and see that its only a couple thousand lightyears from known space Originally by: Lana Torrin I'm getting pretty ****ed off with the supposedly hard core PvPers complaining about every little thing that gets changed. seriously, more tears than carebears.
Denidil Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2009.09.01 23:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Originally by: Abrazzar Wormhole systems are too far away to be reached with jump drives. For all we know they could be in another universe. How can they be in another universe ?. Universe is one ( that we know of ) they can be in another galaxy or on the other edge of the universe. Ahem. Considering the laws of Physics seem to change in a few of these locales, (i.e. reduced shield, increased speed) chances are they are outside of the known universe. that is a local solar system level effect due to a spacial entity in the system

Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2009.09.01 23:37:00 - [21] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 How can they be in another universe ?. Universe is one ( that we know of ) they can be in another galaxy or on the other edge of the universe. Actually...
aka Ishur Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.09.02 00:16:00 - [22] K about the cap fleet thing, first cap, 6 BS, next cap 8 BS, 3rd cap...squat. No sleeper BBQ. No major sleeper farming. Get over it. There are uses for a cap fleet in wh's, just not that many, and not much fun. Even a C6 isn't rare enough to fight over.....yet. Anyways. Whatever. I'm grumpy. Just dont waste your mins building a cap fleet. Wh's can take 2 carriers at a time. Building an invasion force and getting it on target would be a nightmare.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2009.09.02 00:23:00 - [23] Originally by: aka Ishur K about the cap fleet thing, first cap, 6 BS, next cap 8 BS, 3rd cap...squat. No sleeper BBQ. No major sleeper farming. Get over it. There are uses for a cap fleet in wh's, just not that many, and not much fun. Even a C6 isn't rare enough to fight over.....yet. Anyways. Whatever. I'm grumpy. Just dont waste your mins building a cap fleet. Wh's can take 2 carriers at a time. Building an invasion force and getting it on target would be a nightmare. is 14 sleeper battleships even enough to harm your average pair of rr carriers? i mean sure, dropping fighters might get them popped, but two carriers im sure could support enough (lol) support ships to take down the bs.. i know in c3s, each battleship kill is worth ~5m, how much is it in the higher classes?
aka Ishur Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.09.02 00:35:00 - [24] Its not the carriers you worry about, a heavily tanked BS will be pretty much toasted by 8 BS, and a carrier will not lock you in time. Oh and I made 490mil last week. I dont play that much.


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