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crofoot
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Posted - 2009.09.02 06:02:00 -
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Edited by: crofoot on 02/09/2009 06:13:34
I would like to ask the devs if they could please make it a crime to salvage other peoples wrecks, as the salvage is worth more than the mods and it is not fair that they can come in and take our hard earned salvage with no criminal implications.
I run missions on a daily basis and 75-80% of my isk comes from salvage and scrap mods, and I don't think someone should be able to come in on a trial account and steal my wrecks and take 100s of millions in isk without any ramifications.
CCP needs to realize the mission runners pay their fees and most of the thieves are salvaging our items on trial accounts just to farm and sell isk. This needs to stop. If anyone agrees with me please show your support and let these devs know how you feel. Thanks
crofoot
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Bibbleibble
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Posted - 2009.09.02 06:28:00 -
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/facepalm
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.09.02 06:30:00 -
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no but im getting tired you of stupid or ignorant people not reading ccps dev blogs or responses to salvaging and not accepting SALVAGE DOESN'T BELONG TO YOU
ps. eve isnt fair
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Greywolf Sindraugh
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Posted - 2009.09.02 06:30:00 -
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Edited by: Greywolf Sindraugh on 02/09/2009 06:32:39
I agree for the most part. I understand that its part of the risk of the game, you can't be completely protected from every kind of assault in high sec just because its high sec. I also understand the mentality behind why its the salvage that's able to be stolen: first, salvage is just that... "salvage" first come first served; second, its unlikely that a trial account has the skills to probe out the site. In reality what's happening is isk seller noob toons are either just running by asteroid fields hoping to find ratters and wrecks, or they are having established accounts probe the sites and ninja-looting the salvage with their noob-toons. The issue is that the stuff that's worth more is the stuff they can steal without penalty. If there has to be a risk of some kind, let people ninja-loot the mods from the hold, keep the wrecks and salvage protected.
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BeanBagKing
Ch3mic4l Warfare
Gypsy Nation
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Posted - 2009.09.02 06:35:00 -
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Don't even have the energy to argue with you people anymore. Enjoy your copy paste and being wrong....
Per CCP Mitnal:  Originally by: CCP Mitnal
"Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."
Per GM Faolchu : Originally by: GM Faolchu
Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.
Per Senior GM Ytterbium : Originally by: GM Ytterbium
Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
Per CCP Prism X : Originally by: CCP Prism X
Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.
(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.09.02 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: crofoot
Edited by: crofoot on 02/09/2009 06:13:34
I would like to ask the devs if they could please make it a crime to salvage other peoples wrecks, as the salvage is worth more than the mods and it is not fair that they can come in and take our hard earned salvage with no criminal implications.
I run missions on a daily basis and 75-80% of my isk comes from salvage and scrap mods, and I don't think someone should be able to come in on a trial account and steal my wrecks and take 100s of millions in isk without any ramifications.
CCP needs to realize the mission runners pay their fees and most of the thieves are salvaging our items on trial accounts just to farm and sell isk. This needs to stop. If anyone agrees with me please show your support and let these devs know how you feel. Thanks
crofoot
your problem you're income is based on public property. STFU.
Read another threads, fking mission runner noob.
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crofoot
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Posted - 2009.09.02 06:38:00 -
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No they have their mains probing and they send out 5 day old characters in kestrels(which can be trained in less than 24 hours including salvaging). And as far as being protected from them, it's not I that need the protection, they are the ones that have concord backing them, I am sitting in a 1/4 billion dollar hac watching a 200k ship on a trial account take my salvage. If they want to be fair put a timer on it. Make it stealing for the first hour or two then give them their hour to pillage. All will be happy and if it is going to waste the let em have it. Thats the way it should be. I agree salvaging is a great way of life and great income, but there should be a time period that gives the owner/killer time to salvage, if he/she/they don't come back it changes color and its free game.
Omg a logical fair compromise. Who would have thought.
=)
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.09.02 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: crofoot
No they have their mains probing and they send out 5 day old characters in kestrels(which can be trained in less than 24 hours including salvaging). And as far as being protected from them, it's not I that need the protection, they are the ones that have concord backing them, I am sitting in a 1/4 billion dollar hac watching a 200k ship on a trial account take my salvage. If they want to be fair put a timer on it. Make it stealing for the first hour or two then give them their hour to pillage. All will be happy and if it is going to waste the let em have it. Thats the way it should be. I agree salvaging is a great way of life and great income, but there should be a time period that gives the owner/killer time to salvage, if he/she/they don't come back it changes color and its free game.
Omg a logical fair compromise. Who would have thought.
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ok you seem real stupid or maybe you just cant read so im going to put this as clear as i can for you greedy MRs
SALVAGE DOSNT BELONG TO YOU
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BeanBagKing
Ch3mic4l Warfare
Gypsy Nation
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Posted - 2009.09.02 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: crofoot
...stuff...
Omg a logical fair compromise. Who would have thought.
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no, stfu
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.09.02 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: crofoot
No they have their mains probing and they send out 5 day old characters in kestrels(which can be trained in less than 24 hours including salvaging). And as far as being protected from them, it's not I that need the protection, they are the ones that have concord backing them, I am sitting in a 1/4 billion dollar hac watching a 200k ship on a trial account take my salvage. If they want to be fair put a timer on it. Make it stealing for the first hour or two then give them their hour to pillage. All will be happy and if it is going to waste the let em have it. Thats the way it should be. I agree salvaging is a great way of life and great income, but there should be a time period that gives the owner/killer time to salvage, if he/she/they don't come back it changes color and its free game.
Omg a logical fair compromise. Who would have thought.
=)
STFU sucker
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Galan Amarias
Amarr
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2009.09.02 06:51:00 -
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When you see them coming up to salvage, target the wreck and blow it up. That's not a crime either.
Seriously"? Concord save me from the people collecting cans?
On the other hand I wholly support a can flagging mechanic for salvage thieves. It worked great for dead miners it'll be great for dead mission runners.
-Galan
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.09.02 06:56:00 -
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i must support this call for flagging of us salvage thieves, it would be good if we could be flagged as it would allow us to kill off those that decide to take advantage of such flagging so yes plz ccp go for it
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crofoot
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Posted - 2009.09.02 07:04:00 -
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Hey we can do this the nice way or we can send out a artillery rupture and send you back to momma in a pod, i was just trying to be a gentelman. I actually enjoy it more than salvaging. Attn carebears, if they wanna take your stuff make em at least invest in a battlecruiser so we can't one volley em. That will put a quick crimp in their profit. Either way works for me.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.09.02 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: crofoot
Hey we can do this the nice way or we can send out a artillery rupture and send you back to momma in a pod, i was just trying to be a gentelman. I actually enjoy it more than salvaging. Attn carebears, if they wanna take your stuff make em at least invest in a battlecruiser so we can't one volley em. That will put a quick crimp in their profit. Either way works for me.
you just fail.
First, you requesting public property for your fat mission noob ass, not enough, you're trying to tell us volley-popping a fast frig with your mission-BS? Fail, just fail, go home and stop wasting our time with such noob threads.
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crofoot
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Posted - 2009.09.02 07:09:00 -
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Rupture is a cruiser smartguy.
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crofoot
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Posted - 2009.09.02 07:12:00 -
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And they one volley dessies and frigs quite nicely from 20k.
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.09.02 07:12:00 -
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yes please let him come after me in his mission bs ill get my nice command ship and rip him a new one
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Kaman Jho
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Posted - 2009.09.02 08:03:00 -
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Heliosgal said:
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yes please let him come after me in his mission bs ill get my nice command ship and rip him a new one
You are a noob in an NPC corp, a month and a half old, and you fly a command ship? Wow this game is getting easier every year.
If this is a legit profession, why do you all hide in NPC corps and fly noob alts?
If you want the "opportunity" to get flagged red so you can blow up the missioner for acting upon it, might I suggest you just take an item from the loot can? All the opportunity in the world there.
I believe that there should always be repercussions for the actions we take in this game. Its a sandbox that should, and has, been enacted as a system of cause and effect. Why should ninja salvaging be the only "profession" that has no risk involved? Maybe we should petition CCP to stop the rats from shooting back in missions...
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.02 08:03:00 -
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Holy hell another of these posts.
OP, did you know there are many ways to avoid having someone else salvage a wreck first.
Crying on the forum (or to your mom) is not one of them.
Oh and SALVAGE IS NOT YOURS! Try learning what salvage actually means.
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crofoot
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Posted - 2009.09.02 08:16:00 -
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P.S.Salvage is not garbage, i grew up cutting scrap metal and we had a family salvage yard, anyone caught stealing from us got a uzi clip dumped in the trunk of their camaro and never showed their faces again. The bottom line is that salvage is more valuable than the bounties mods and rewards combined. We had to train the skills, buy the ships, learn to fight, buy the ammo, and expend the time killing the npcs just to sit and let npc corp trial account alt noobs come and take the vast majority of our profit with no risk involved. I mean c'mon where is the justice in that? We invest years of our time to gain the assets and skills involved to do these difficult missions and your (ccp's) policies reward these people who have expended no effort or time by allowing them to harvest our most valuable resource. Thats the bottom line, salvage is the most profitable part of mission running and noone should be able to take it without a fight. Sure some consider it garbage, but if you saw a tweaker digging in your garbage can for your social security number would you fight so hard for his "civil rights" to your garbage? I think not, you can justify it all you want it is theft and it should be dealt with.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.09.02 08:25:00 -
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the stuff has been discussed already million of times already, we dont need next one for every mission sucker unable reading the forum.
dont discuss it again, flame the tards down
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.02 08:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jint Hikaru on 02/09/2009 08:36:34
we invest years of our time to gain the assets and skills involved to do these difficult missions
First of all... HAHHA... years? sheesh.
Second of all, your salvage yard analogy is incorrect. The salvage in your yard is like the salvage in your ships hold.... its yours.
If there was an old abandoned car left on public land in the middle of nowhere.... then its First come first served! Same as in EVE.
Seriously, salvage as you go in missions, or mission in low populated systems.
Dont cry and ask for game mechanics be changed to suit you.
Oh, and if you call for salvaging to flag someone, the ninjas would love that, they will then have not issues with taking your loot as well as the salvage.... then coming back to blow up your ship if you retaliate.
Its not hard, I mission a lot and have had a ninja salvager only once. I just tractored everything he was flying towards and generally made it more hassle for him to salvage my mish than to scan down someone else.
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Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer
"I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!"
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BigJohnG
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Posted - 2009.09.02 08:39:00 -
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I agree with the poster.
Taking the salavage is letting someone else take the risk and you (the ninja) take the spoils.
As soon as you (the ninja) take as much risk as i do, its fine by me. And the easiest whay to do that is to flag the ninja as a thief.
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crofoot
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Posted - 2009.09.02 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jint Hikaru
Edited by: Jint Hikaru on 02/09/2009 08:36:34
we invest years of our time to gain the assets and skills involved to do these difficult missions
First of all... HAHHA... years? sheesh.
Second of all, your salvage yard analogy is incorrect. The salvage in your yard is like the salvage in your ships hold.... its yours.
If there was an old abandoned car left on public land in the middle of nowhere.... then its First come first served! Same as in EVE.
Seriously, salvage as you go in missions, or mission in low populated systems.
First of all lol at them killing us, they are 5-14 days old and they cant even run their own missions, how in the hell are they gonna take out a fleet of hacs and battleships if they cant even fly a cruiser. Second of all if they send in their main they better be loaded for bear cuz they are gonna lose that ship and prolly a pod too. Get real you can't even run a mission for yourself, how are you gonna kill a fleet of trained combat pilots? Get real and check yourself man. That is a joke....
Dont cry and ask for game mechanics be changed to suit you.
Oh, and if you call for salvaging to flag someone, the ninjas would love that, they will then have not issues with taking your loot as well as the salvage.... then coming back to blow up your ship if you retaliate.
Its not hard, I mission a lot and have had a ninja salvager only once. I just tractored everything he was flying towards and generally made it more hassle for him to salvage my mish than to scan down someone else.
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crofoot
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Posted - 2009.09.02 09:21:00 -
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P.s.s. Oh and as for the real world analogies of salvage... try going into a demilitarized zone and try salvaging enemy vehicles or weapons right in front of the occupying military force and see how far you get. Thats the bottom line we are WORKING FOR THE GOVERNMENT KILLING ENEMIES OF THE STATE. These are not broken down cars and its not public property, it is a sight of a military encounter that was sanctioned by the local government and carried out as per orders of the state. If it's a belt rat thats in a belt, thats whatever, but missions are zones of military conflict and the occupying government should at the very least give the first option to their soldiers to reclaim the spoils of war. And as far as the vehicles on public property i believe that streets are public property and if you steal a car, broken down or not thats considered theft unless you are a liscenced tow truck operator with a impound yard and the police give them a period of weeks to move their cars before they tag them for towing, so that's completely irrelevant.
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Alfa Oven
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Posted - 2009.09.02 09:51:00 -
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1st: You fail.
2nd: See first.
3rd: No, you are wrong.
4th: Still wrong.
5th: See first. Again.
Now please stop trolling, read and reread all those pretty CCP quotes and then go through this check list again. You might learn something from this, you know...
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crofoot
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Posted - 2009.09.02 09:55:00 -
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I know the devs opinion thats why I'm posting this thread. If i agreed with them why would i post at all. go steal some salvage.
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Brechan Skene
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Posted - 2009.09.02 10:05:00 -
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I hate to say this but when salvaging first came out you were required to remove the loot before you were able to access the salvage.
This caused numerous ambush situations for care bears, when the pirates waited in cloak ship for you to turn up and tried to salvage the wreck, you had to take the loot first thus getting flagged. They then targeted you and proceeded to kill you.
Obviously with this fact you complained, whined and screamed to CCP for it to be changed and CCP granted your wish, like they did when you whined about the bad men taking your ore. However you achieved the right to access the loot without the need to be flagged, this decision also created the ninja salvaging problem as well.
So far your great care bear screaming and crying has created can flipping and subsequently ninja salvaging, would you like to create more tactics for the pirates
However, I am a mission runner and I do lvl 4's to get access to faction ships and get cash for some Pew Pew. I have never been ninja salvaged. Why is that, I adapt, I actively adjust to the ninja salvaging problem and I definitely do not do my mission in a mission hub with the other 400 lemmings.
I do not ninja salvage, can flip or engage in pirate activities, if you have any doubt look up the details of my character in-game.
Also I post with my main, can I say the same for you
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ServantOfMask
Minmatar
Foundation
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.09.02 10:08:00 -
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GTFO of Motsu
stop claiming salvage as your god given right
as a matter of fact stop logging in too
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crofoot
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Posted - 2009.09.02 10:09:00 -
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Yes this is my main, and how the hell does looting your own wreck flag you to pirates? please explain...
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