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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.09.02 09:14:00 -
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How to make real world money with EVE-Online "legally", a.k.a. the loophole in the EULA ?
Notice the text...
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B. Selling Items and Objects
You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above. You may not encourage or induce any other person to participate in such a prohibited transaction. The buying, selling or auctioning (or any attempt at doing so) of characters, character attributes, items, currency, or objects, whether through online auctions (such as ebay), newsgroups, postings on message boards or any other means is prohibited by the EULA and a violation of CCP's proprietary rights in the Game.
...so, what problem do you see there ?
YOU CAN SELL IN-GAME SERVICES that are not items/objects/characters 
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*beat*
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Now, waiting for "wardecs, 1000$ a week" and "wormhole rescue, 200$" services 
Of course, that is before CCP ammends their EULA 
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P.S. Yeah, yeah, this thread is more in jest than seriously, but you have to admit... it makes some weird sense.
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Posted - 2009.09.02 09:19:00 -
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afaik, you may office service for INGAME money (like killboard hosting and stuff).
at least that what the ccp guys keep saying... of course you might be right ;)
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Gentileman
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Posted - 2009.09.02 09:20:00 -
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Slow week Akita?
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.09.02 09:21:00 -
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"Objects" is a very general term that could be interpreted to be anything at all.
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Zlut Gothica
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Posted - 2009.09.02 09:21:00 -
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When Dust 514 hit the shelves... get ready to see the console-players getting paid to conquer some planets.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.09.02 09:23:00 -
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Well, obviously, the INTENT of the EULA is to forbid this, and if found out to do this you WOULD be banned anyway (because there's always the "we can ban you at any time we want without having to give you a reason if we feel like it" clause (chapter 6, subsection B, heading II, point iv).
That's why I said it's more in jest than serious 
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.09.02 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Gentileman
Slow week Akita?
Extremely boring one indeed.
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ForceM
Gallente
POS Builder Inc.
Silent Requiem
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Posted - 2009.09.02 09:31:00 -
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you missed this part:
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including without limitation
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.09.02 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: ForceM
you missed this part:"including without limitation"
You missed the part right before, namely "content appearing within the Game environment".
You're not selling any content, you're selling future services to be rendered
P.S. For the third time, just to make sure, we're just playing devil's advocate with words here, it's obvious this is not allowed and you would be punished if you tried and got caught doing it.
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2009.09.02 09:44:00 -
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why can't a service be content ?
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.02 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Heroldyn
why can't a service be content ?
This. Content encapsulates any events that may happen ingame.
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Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.09.02 10:01:00 -
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Edited by: Gnulpie on 02/09/2009 10:01:44
The important quote is: any content appearing within the Game environment.
In-game service is also content.
Even if it is only possible in-game service like some sort if insurance (for $100 a week, i insure you against getting lost in wormholes with a free recovery service) it is still content.
If it is no content appearing in game like killboard or teamspeak, then things are changing.
I wonder how ever how that will change with the new Eve-COSMOS and the new browser.
This is the cruical question now:
Is browsing and displaying a website within Eve with the (new) webbrowser already some content appearing in the Game?
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2009.09.02 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Is browsing and displaying a website within Eve with the (new) webbrowser already some content appearing in the Game?
i'd answer it like this: if some eve players visit my website from within the game, how is that my responsibility ?
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.09.02 10:21:00 -
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Or maybe you have to join up at some other forum site, for $20, to be allowed to join a corporation / alliance...
How about that?
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2009.09.02 10:32:00 -
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I remember back when I first started (2006) hearing about some guy that was trying to do an Eve only **** site via the IGB. Charged isk for membership. Think he called it the Pleasure Hub (whatever the gallente station thing was called). There was all sorts of reasons that one wasn't going to float, not to mention he was basically re-hosting pics he ripped off of other sites.
Not that that has anything to do with anything.
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.09.02 10:37:00 -
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generate me some funky wormholes
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HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.09.02 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68
I remember back when I first started (2006) hearing about some guy that was trying to do an Eve only **** site via the IGB. Charged isk for membership. Think he called it the Pleasure Hub (whatever the gallente station thing was called). There was all sorts of reasons that one wasn't going to float, not to mention he was basically re-hosting pics he ripped off of other sites.
Not that that has anything to do with anything.
your forgetting the most important part, it was AWESOME.
given it was the cheapest looking, crapiest **** site i've ever seen (and believe me ladies and gents, i've seen A LOT)... but cheesy re-hosted **** is better than no **** at all when your in the dark lonley vaccuum of space.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.02 10:39:00 -
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we already seen this in WoW whit that guild that had a monthly subscription
and i quite like and support the idea if a person spend real life time to build/make/organize fleets ppl should pay for that whit ingame money or real life money
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari
Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.09.02 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Well, obviously, the INTENT of the EULA is to forbid this, and if found out to do this you WOULD be banned anyway (because there's always the "we can ban you at any time we want without having to give you a reason if we feel like it" clause (chapter 6, subsection B, heading II, point iv).
That's why I said it's more in jest than serious
yer but then you would have quite a good case too sue them :P
since your paying for a service and there are laws for how a service needs too be provided and what you can do and can't do, no matter what's in the contract ^^
remember the wow case where the gamer actually won a ton of money of blizzard? ;)
but yes quite funny...
although i don't get why it is legal too buy ingame stuff with anything but ingame isk, the abillity to purchase stuff irl that transfer directly too isk etc, it's just wrong :P
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari
Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.09.02 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Edited by: Gnulpie on 02/09/2009 10:01:44
The important quote is: any content appearing within the Game environment.
In-game service is also content.
Even if it is only possible in-game service like some sort if insurance (for $100 a week, i insure you against getting lost in wormholes with a free recovery service) it is still content.
If it is no content appearing in game like killboard or teamspeak, then things are changing.
I wonder how ever how that will change with the new Eve-COSMOS and the new browser.
This is the cruical question now:
Is browsing and displaying a website within Eve with the (new) webbrowser already some content appearing in the Game?
you do use killmails, which is ingame content.
soo your logic is flawed
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari
Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.09.02 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
we already seen this in WoW whit that guild that had a monthly subscription
and i quite like and support the idea if a person spend real life time to build/make/organize fleets ppl should pay for that whit ingame money or real life money
actually irl it's the other way around, the state buys the soldiers money for fighting for them ;)
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OwlManAtt
Gallente
Yasashii Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.02 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: CrestoftheStars
yer but then you would have quite a good case too sue them :P
Originally by: EULA Section 6 Subsection B Paragraph ii Clause iv
(iv) CCP becomes aware of game play, chat or player activity under your Account that is, in CCP's discretion, inappropriate or in violation of the Rules of Conduct. Such termination shall be effective upon notice transmitted via electronic mail, or any other means reasonably calculated to reach you.
Originally by: EULA Section 14
Except as set forth below, CCP's maximum liability for any and all claims arising out of or in connection with your Account, the Software, System, Game, Game Content, User Content, EULA, and any other services or materials provided in connection therewith, shall not exceed an amount equal to the value of one (1) month's subscription fees.
Originally by: EULA Section 16
The EULA, and the rights and obligations of the parties hereto, shall be governed and construed by and in accordance with the laws of the Republic of Iceland.
OK, so enjoy traveling to Iceland so you can sue them for 15 USD and lose. All CCP would have to do is say that they found your conduct inappropriate and you're out:
* A roundtrip to Iceland
* Hotel money
* Lawyer
* Court fees
Please don't say such ridiculous things.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.02 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: CrestoftheStars
Originally by: ceaon
we already seen this in WoW whit that guild that had a monthly subscription
and i quite like and support the idea if a person spend real life time to build/make/organize fleets ppl should pay for that whit ingame money or real life money
actually irl it's the other way around, the state buys the soldiers money for fighting for them ;)
that is not related to the topic we talk about ingame services payed whit rl moneys
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Cornaris
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Posted - 2009.09.02 11:53:00 -
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Not that this is Everquest...
But i do remember a period of time when there was a group of people that would spam powerleveling services for money, They didn't log on your account, they didn't use exploits, macros (even when advertising services) They were quite polite in public chats, respectful of other peoples camps.
Was the same toon offering services for months, so i can only assume they didn't get banned.
but,
Completely different ballgame, so sort of irrelevant
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Kara Mitsui
The New Era
Huzzah Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.02 12:08:00 -
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This isn't really along the lines that you are thinking, but I do beleive this will work:
- create website related to eve that every eve player will visit dozens of times every day.
- engage google adsense
- buy mansion
I'm pretty sure it will be a tiny, tiny mansion, perhaps made of lego. But it is a way to make real money, from eve, without breaking the eula.
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Leather Jack
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Posted - 2009.09.02 12:50:00 -
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But... we don't WANT any real money.
We just want MOAR ISK!
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Savage Creampuff
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Posted - 2009.09.02 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68
I remember back when I first started (2006) hearing about some guy that was trying to do an Eve only **** site via the IGB. Charged isk for membership. Think he called it the Pleasure Hub (whatever the gallente station thing was called). There was all sorts of reasons that one wasn't going to float, not to mention he was basically re-hosting pics he ripped off of other sites.
Not that that has anything to do with anything.
Funny, i was thinking about that site while reading the op. I was a member in mid or early 04. Certainly made mining more enjoyable
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.09.02 16:41:00 -
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This is forbidden according to the Terms of Service:
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10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items.
I would not advise anyone to experiment and see if they get away with it, either:
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25. CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any userĘs account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted.
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Agallis Zinthros
Altruism.
Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.09.02 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove
Or maybe you have to join up at some other forum site, for $20, to be allowed to join a corporation / alliance...
How about that?
Just like Goonfleet?
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Hoo Is
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Posted - 2009.09.02 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Agallis Zinthros
Originally by: Tiny Tove
Or maybe you have to join up at some other forum site, for $20, to be allowed to join a corporation / alliance...
How about that?
Just like Goonfleet?
EUAL violation, banzored them pleze
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