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Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.03 11:14:00 - [1] As rewards there is isk and special cruiser and frigate BPCs. Those cruisers and frigates won't be better than t2 or t3 counterparts, so they are basically fluff for collectors hangers. Why don't you give some state/federation/empire/republic battleships as prize again ? Last week a state raven was sold for over 100 billion on forums, that's the kind the reward we want to see and not some cruisers or frigates
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in	Posted - 2009.09.03 11:26:00 - [2] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba As rewards there is isk and special cruiser and frigate BPCs. Those cruisers and frigates won't be better than t2 or t3 counterparts, so they are basically fluff for collectors hangers. Why don't you give some state/federation/empire/republic battleships as prize again ? Last week a state raven was sold for over 100 billion on forums, that's the kind the reward we want to see and not some cruisers or frigates Erm. Your reasoning is flawed. State Ravens aren't better than Golems either, and let's not even start talking about Opux Luxury Yachts. Thukker/Angel corp WANTS YOU!
TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.09.03 11:29:00 - [3] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba As rewards there is isk and special cruiser and frigate BPCs. Those cruisers and frigates won't be better than t2 or t3 counterparts, so they are basically fluff for collectors hangers. You don't think a faction Hac is better than a Hac? Erm... Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Why don't you give some state/federation/empire/republic battleships as prize again ? Last week a state raven was sold for over 100 billion on forums, that's the kind the reward we want to see and not some cruisers or frigates And a silver magnate sold for 75bil last week which is just a frigate. I also fail to see how a BS selling for 182bil is anything more than "basically fluff for collectors hangers". These prizes will appreciate in value just as the other tourney faction stuff has and will only see limited use in pvp (to thin out the numbers ) before becoming high value hanger queens to be stolen and traded But if anyone wants to give me a Tribal Tempest I certainly wouldn't refuse
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.03 12:43:00 - [4] Originally by: Smagd Erm. Your reasoning is flawed. State Ravens aren't better than Golems either, and let's not even start talking about Opux Luxury Yachts. A state raven has 33% more damage from missiles, compared to the Golem. It can use heavy/sentry drones instead of medium drones. It has much more hp, which allows to build a huge buffer and use expensive stuff on it without that every bunch of newbs can suicide-gank you. etc etc etc I'd love to do missions in a state raven, there is no better mission platform. I'd pay 50-60 bil for it right away. Thats why its not fluff, while those cruiser/frigs are out-classed by t2/t3 ships (cruisers/frigs have a real resistance bonus) or higher class ships, thats why they are fluff.
TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.09.03 14:06:00 - [5] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba A state raven has 33% more damage from missiles, compared to the Golem. It can use heavy/sentry drones instead of medium drones. It has much more hp, which allows to build a huge buffer and use expensive stuff on it without that every bunch of newbs can suicide-gank you. etc etc etc I'd love to do missions in a state raven, there is no better mission platform. I'd pay 50-60 bil for it right away. Thats why its not fluff, while those cruiser/frigs are out-classed by t2/t3 ships (cruisers/frigs have a real resistance bonus) or higher class ships, thats why they are fluff. That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time. You want to pay 60bil to run L4s in a unique faction ship because it does 33% more dps and has more ehp than a 1bil golem? Firstly if you can get a state issue it will be more like 180 billion (because that is the current market price) and secondly you would get suicide ganked pretty quickly. There are enough people willing to suicide a BS fleet big enough to get on a unique killmail. Do you really think it is 180 times better at running missions than a golem? For the isk you could buy a large number of plexes to run multiple accounts, equip them with golems and run multiple level 4s if making the most isk per hour is your game. Be honest, you want a State Raven for the same reason many other people do, because it is unique - stop trying to justify yourself If however you really are saying it isn't hanger fluff because you would run missions with it then I'll counter. If I had a T2 faction cruiser (yes, T2 faction so how you can say a normal T2 is better is beyond me) I would use it for missions too so you can't call it hanger fluff any more

CCP Soundwave	Posted - 2009.09.03 14:45:00 - [6] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba As rewards there is isk and special cruiser and frigate BPCs. Those cruisers and frigates won't be better than t2 or t3 counterparts, so they are basically fluff for collectors hangers. Why don't you give some state/federation/empire/republic battleships as prize again ? Last week a state raven was sold for over 100 billion on forums, that's the kind the reward we want to see and not some cruisers or frigates We're not giving the winners more than 100 billion per participant? What an outrage! I too am upset.

Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.03 14:56:00 - [7] Originally by: TeaDaze Originally by: Yakia TovilToba A state raven has 33% more damage from missiles, compared to the Golem. It can use heavy/sentry drones instead of medium drones. It has much more hp, which allows to build a huge buffer and use expensive stuff on it without that every bunch of newbs can suicide-gank you. etc etc etc I'd love to do missions in a state raven, there is no better mission platform. I'd pay 50-60 bil for it right away. Thats why its not fluff, while those cruiser/frigs are out-classed by t2/t3 ships (cruisers/frigs have a real resistance bonus) or higher class ships, thats why they are fluff. That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time. You want to pay 60bil to run L4s in a unique faction ship because it does 33% more dps and has more ehp than a 1bil golem? Firstly if you can get a state issue it will be more like 180 billion (because that is the current market price) and secondly you would get suicide ganked pretty quickly. There are enough people willing to suicide a BS fleet big enough to get on a unique killmail. ... This is pretty dumb. a) 33% is quite a lot and it's even more than that when counting in the drone diffrence. People paying billions for officer launchers that get them only a few % more than cheap faction launchers as well. c) It wouldn't cost 180bil if it were given out again in tournaments. F900 paid so much because they are so extremely rare, add some more of the to the market and thy will go down below 100b pretty fast. d) You don't understand that buying such a ship and running mission with it doesn't mean that it loses it's value. After I'd do the missions for a while, I'd still have it and it still had it's value. e) It's very hard to suicide gank. The setup that i think off (8 launcher, 4 BCU, rest shield buffer tank) would have over 400k EHP (faction/deadspace hardeners, even more with officer) according to EFT. Do your maths how many BS u need for that under current concord reaction times. f) Missions in highsec is the only field where it makes sense to use it (as long as you don't have a war dec), I don't understand why you advocate to have a ship that is sentenced to rot in a collector's hanger and never see the light of stars because of it's extreme rarity.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.03 15:02:00 - [8] Originally by: CCP Soundwave Originally by: Yakia TovilToba As rewards there is isk and special cruiser and frigate BPCs. Those cruisers and frigates won't be better than t2 or t3 counterparts, so they are basically fluff for collectors hangers. Why don't you give some state/federation/empire/republic battleships as prize again ? Last week a state raven was sold for over 100 billion on forums, that's the kind the reward we want to see and not some cruisers or frigates We're not giving the winners more than 100 billion per participant? What an outrage! I too am upset. As already mentioned, the BS wouldn't cost 100 billion if you'd reward them a little more often than only once. Or why exactly did the winners of the 2006 tournament get such a valuable ships with the privilege of being unique ? That's quite a special treatment compared to the winners of all the other tournaments, in particular since you refuse to give out more of that ships and keep the price extremely high this way.
TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.09.03 16:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba e) It's very hard to suicide gank. The setup that i think off (8 launcher, 4 BCU, rest shield buffer tank) would have over 400k EHP (faction/deadspace hardeners, even more with officer) according to EFT. Do your maths how many BS u need for that under current concord reaction times. Because freighters are ungankable in empire with their 200k or so ehp? Oh wait, they are worth ganking in 0.6 space or below as long as they drop about a bil of loot. The only thing stopping people ganking in higher sec space is they need more ships and the break even point is higher. 100 T1 fitted maelstroms firing one shot each would do 422000 damage. If you are in 0.7 space or lower some would probably get a second shot so you could do it with less. Just basic T1 guns and damage mods plus fully insured so the only real loss is some sec status. If you don't think that flying missions in a 180 billion isk target won't attract at least 100 griefers out to collect a rare killmail then you're very much mistaken

CCP Soundwave	Posted - 2009.09.03 16:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: CCP Soundwave Originally by: Yakia TovilToba As rewards there is isk and special cruiser and frigate BPCs. Those cruisers and frigates won't be better than t2 or t3 counterparts, so they are basically fluff for collectors hangers. Why don't you give some state/federation/empire/republic battleships as prize again ? Last week a state raven was sold for over 100 billion on forums, that's the kind the reward we want to see and not some cruisers or frigates We're not giving the winners more than 100 billion per participant? What an outrage! I too am upset. As already mentioned, the BS wouldn't cost 100 billion if you'd reward them a little more often than only once. Or why exactly did the winners of the 2006 tournament get such a valuable ships with the privilege of being unique ? That's quite a special treatment compared to the winners of all the other tournaments, in particular since you refuse to give out more of that ships and keep the price extremely high this way. No idea why the tourney was planned like it was in 2006, I had nothing to do with it back then. The idea is that this is a prize tied to the tournament, kind of like a flying medal, not a way to maximize your mission running efficiency.


Thresh Avery Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.09.03 17:08:00 - [11] Yakia, the thing about unique ships in this game is that because they will never be released again, it guarantees their value always being high. When this tournament is over, no matter who wins it and who is runner-up, there will be 50 unique cruisers and 50 frigates in the game and CCP will never release anymore. Some will die in PvP, for those that appreciate their use, some will be forever stored in a person's hangar but no matter what, that number will only get smaller, therefore their value will always be very high. The price of these ships, because they are unique, will be decided by the person that wants it. And there are people that will want these ships badly enough that they will pay over 100bil anyway, even if it's a frigate and does no damage or has no slots, but just looks cool. Tea, i'm not sure what makes you think CCP would release a faction T2 ship - that's never happened in the past. It just seems unlikely to happen unless you know something we dont...
TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.09.03 17:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Thresh Avery Tea, i'm not sure what makes you think CCP would release a faction T2 ship - that's never happened in the past. It just seems unlikely to happen unless you know something we dont... Screenshots of the Freki and Mimir show the little T2 triangle in the corner and the heavy assault ship / assault ship skills as required. I've no other info than those screenshots and the in game fitting links (with preview) in one person's bio. As always they could change before they are awarded.
darius mclever	Posted - 2009.09.03 18:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Smagd Erm. Your reasoning is flawed. State Ravens aren't better than Golems either, and let's not even start talking about Opux Luxury Yachts. A state raven has 33% more damage from missiles, compared to the Golem. It can use heavy/sentry drones instead of medium drones. It has much more hp, which allows to build a huge buffer and use expensive stuff on it without that every bunch of newbs can suicide-gank you. etc etc etc I'd love to do missions in a state raven, there is no better mission platform. I'd pay 50-60 bil for it right away. Thats why its not fluff, while those cruiser/frigs are out-classed by t2/t3 ships (cruisers/frigs have a real resistance bonus) or higher class ships, thats why they are fluff. a golem can already easily perma tank any lvl4 and does enough to make you chew through level 4 missions like cake. even when people would fail to suicide gank you on the first try. the challenge would just get greater. oh and please try in eft how much EHP you would have with hardeners off (hello neuts) and EHP in eft assumes your shield would have time to recharge. which in most cases it wouldn't (hello close range high dps fits). last but not least you should be shot for thinking about doing lvl4 missions in them.
darius mclever	Posted - 2009.09.03 18:29:00 - [14] oh and when you ever buy one. keep me posted. i want to join them when they gank you :D
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.03 18:55:00 - [15] i think you actually are giving each participant of winning team 100 bil ;O more really (20 bil per ship is probably a conservative sell price considering I sold a silver magnate for 26 bil almost a year ago)
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.03 19:09:00 - [16] Oh and on topic; BS are so been there done that.. I'd rather have faction dreads or carriers ;O or recons or command ships..
Goberth Ludwig North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.09.03 23:10:00 - [17] faction rorqual dawg with a third transformation that allows you to post faster - Gob
Irish Duff Universal Exports Cult of War	Posted - 2009.09.04 00:13:00 - [18] I think the prizes are pretty cool :)
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.04 03:25:00 - [19] Originally by: CCP Soundwave The idea is that this is a prize tied to the tournament, kind of like a flying medal, not a way to maximize your mission running efficiency. I mentioned the mission running when someone said that it is like the other rare ships: fluff to be stored in hangers without a real purpose. And it's not so much about the isk itself, it's about flying/using that ship. To know that there is nothing better around for the job. When you undock with it in the mission hub, all that CNRs and Golems have to step aside (bragging rights) etc. I never understood why people buy a ship that they never udock. If it's meant to rot in a hanger, one could buy a stock raven and imagine its a state raven, as they don't look much different. Originally by: darius mclever even when people would fail to suicide gank you on the first try. the challenge would just get greater. oh and please try in eft how much EHP you would have with hardeners off (hello neuts) and EHP in eft assumes your shield would have time to recharge. which in most cases it wouldn't (hello close range high dps fits). EHP on EFT is a combination of HP and resists, no recharge. The only place you could catch the ship and simultaneously agress with 30+ close range (range = at least 20km) BS is at a gate after a jump. When I jump into a system and see 30 BS at gate, I klick warp + overheat medium rack + activate the hardeners within 2-3 seconds. When you lock me and start the neuts, the hardeners are running and only need cap after 12 seconds again. In a 0.5 system concord reaction times are 10-15 seconds (less in higher sec), means even if you don't activate all your neuts at once, the hardeners will run long enough, good luck bringing down 400k EHP in that time - and all you'd get a is a KM, no real rewards, but hours of coordination and waiting and tons of ways to make a mistake and lose your fleet without success. Quote: last but not least you should be shot for thinking about doing lvl4 missions in them. See above. Lowsec and 0.0 are not an option, and the only thing you could use the ship in highsec are missions. I don't only want to stare at it in my hanger but want to use it, activate the weapons, kill stuff with it, fly a ship unmatched firepower. It's more fun to kill the rats in a state raven than in a raven type that you see undocking 30 times per minute in your mission hub.
darius mclever	Posted - 2009.09.04 04:34:00 - [20] passive shield recharge counts into effective hitpoints.

Elder Kromb Altruism. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.09.04 06:32:00 - [21] If ur flying a officer fit, state raven in high sec,i Guarantee u there well be hundreds of Gank ravens/megas camping you, 23/7, at any station, at any gate or safespot. which ever system your in every gate well be camped. Which ever stn, pos, u'd be in u will be camped down. You claim if the fleet of 100+ suicide gankers make 1 mistake they'd lose everything? Wrong, they would fit up and try again, and again until they get there target. Truth is if YOU make 1 mistake, your state raven would be pop'd. Suicide gankers are prepared to take the loss, your not. These unique ships are trophies. But instead of just giving u some random medal that'd last 4everz on ur char's award tab(altough they do that too...). CCP gave u the option of showing it off and parading in it. But like everything else in eve it comes with a risk. This is a PvP game and these tournament rewards are simply reflecting that nature of the game.
TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.09.04 08:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba EHP on EFT is a combination of HP and resists, no recharge. The only place you could catch the ship and simultaneously agress with 30+ close range (range = at least 20km) BS is at a gate after a jump. When I jump into a system and see 30 BS at gate, I klick warp + overheat medium rack + activate the hardeners within 2-3 seconds. When you lock me and start the neuts, the hardeners are running and only need cap after 12 seconds again. In a 0.5 system concord reaction times are 10-15 seconds (less in higher sec), means even if you don't activate all your neuts at once, the hardeners will run long enough, good luck bringing down 400k EHP in that time - and all you'd get a is a KM, no real rewards, but hours of coordination and waiting and tons of ways to make a mistake and lose your fleet without success. *facepalm* People gank 200k ehp freighters in empire without an issue and most of the time make a profit from doing so. My (conveniently ignored) example of 100 arty maelstroms do 422900 alpha every 9 seconds, thus before you can even get into warp (and before concord arrive) they will have hit you for over 800,000 damage at a range of between 25 to 70km. Mix and match BS of course but I maintain 100 is a lowball estimate and the real number of interested gankers would be much higher. And why would they have to do so at a gate? If I see a State Issue Raven on scan I'm getting my covops alt to probe out your mission and get the BS fleet in there while you have rat agro too If you have to keep looking over your shoulder and warp out of missions to safe up then your State Issue becomes one of the slowest ways to run L4s I repeat, there are enough people in Eve who would love to get on the Killmail of a State Issue that they would be watching every time it was undocked. There would be hundreds of people with disposable suicide T1 fitted fully insured BS ready to go, trust me You have tried to say that the current rare tourney ships are not hanger fluff and have failed because that is what they are. They are just an epeen (which you yourself admit as you say "it's about flying/using that ship") waiting to become an expensive Killmail.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.04 10:17:00 - [23] They could kill it in theory, but let's look at the facts. You never saw that happened, we will first look at your freighter comparison and then ask why you think this could happen. 1. Freighter comparison a) The killing of freighters was popular before the suicide gank nerf. After concord reaction time adjustment freighter kills are rare. b) Freighters have 174-200k EHP. I'd have over 400k EHP with just using faction hardeners (e.g. Caldari Navy Invuls). With expensive officer modules it's possible to have over 700k EHP, but lets stay with 400k, we don't want to give pirates a real reason to kill the ship. That's still more than double the EHP of a freighter, and combined with a) it's too difficult for the regular suicide gankers or a thrown-together gang (see below why). c) Killing freighters can be lucrative since they might have valuable cargo, killing the state raven is not. 2. Reasons to kill the state raven If someone has a CNR or Golem with Estamel stuff worth 60 billion, you'd suicide gank it, loot half of the items and become rich. Killing the state raven gives you a killmail (maybe some few hundred mils in modules, but thats rather neglectable). The killmail will look like a fake. If someone ask me, I'll say it's a fake. You gain nothing. There are hundreds of killboards and they are not official. If your only after "an awesome killmail", why don't you create a fake one and pay someone to confirm that he lost the ship. Same effect with minimal effort. 3. The killing - practice vs theory So, you have a fleet of 100 battleship pilots, that are online at anytime you need them. They are all willing to wait for hours. If i go only, they are willing to travel to the system of operation. If i see local spike by an extra 100 people, I'll dock and have a tea for half an hour. I won't even waste the time, you'll waste 50 man-hours. I'll then undock, see 100 people at station, wait for 30 seconds and redock, going for a nap for another half hour, your 100 people have to stay sharp and stare on the overview and lose another 50 man-hours. I think come back, undock, wait 30 seconds and active hardeners. Your fleet tries to instapop me, but after waiting for 30 minutes, 30% of your pilots are afk or didn't shoot in time, I dock right away, half your fleet is dead and i sneer at you in local. You learn from your mistake, use probes, find me in a mission. By the time I'm 30km away from the warp-in point. If I see some BS enter the mission i just warp out, decline the mission or finish it with another ship. Then I log for a while, and again, your 100 well skill battleship pilots have to go home. Next day you find me again, if I didn't already dock because of local +100, I'd align to something and warp out when something enters. You can't hide such a fleet. If I was one of your 100 BS pilot with perfect EFT skills, I'd be quite bored and therefore ****ed off by the time and started to question your FC skills. I could go on and on showing how theory is not practice but you'll never find it out unless there will be some more of that ships and I could buy one for 60bil.

CCP Claw	Posted - 2009.09.04 10:36:00 - [24] I can save you this theorycrafting argument: We aren't giving out battleships because we decided to give out frigates and cruisers. Pretty simple really :)

TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.09.04 11:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba 1. Freighter comparison a) The killing of freighters was popular before the suicide gank nerf. After concord reaction time adjustment freighter kills are rare. b) Freighters have 174-200k EHP. I'd have over 400k EHP with just using faction hardeners (e.g. Caldari Navy Invuls). With expensive officer modules it's possible to have over 700k EHP c) Killing freighters can be lucrative since they might have valuable cargo, killing the state raven is not. a) It still happens, just the break even point is higher thus people have to be more selective with their targets b) Large EHP numbers are nice, but there is a point where enough BS pilots could insta-pop it and that number is smaller than the amount of people who regularly sit around for hours waiting to go shoot at a cyno jammer. c) You seem totally oblivious to the value of getting a rare killmail. Who gives a damn about a fleet of fully insured T1 fitted BS when you can get something rare and blow it to bits. Originally by: Yakia TovilToba 2. Reasons to kill the state raven If someone has a CNR or Golem with Estamel stuff worth 60 billion, you'd suicide gank it, loot half of the items and become rich. Killing the state raven gives you a killmail. The killmail will look like a fake. If someone ask me, I'll say it's a fake. You gain nothing. There are hundreds of killboards and they are not official. If your only after "an awesome killmail", why don't you create a fake one and pay someone to confirm that he lost the ship. There is only one needed reason to want to kill it. Because it is rare and thus it would be hilarious. You assuming that people only give a damn about making profit from a kill is fail. Why fake a killmail, what fun is that Might as well fake a screenshot of you flying the thing in the first place. I'm willing to bet that ISD would cover it, thus you would be on the front page saying either you didn't want that ship anyway or pretending the kill was fake. Originally by: Yakia TovilToba 3. The killing - practice vs theory So, you have a fleet of 100 battleship pilots, that are online at anytime you need them. They are all willing to wait for hours. If i go only, they are willing to travel to the system of operation. If i see local spike by an extra 100 people, I'll dock and have a tea for half an hour. I won't even waste the time, you'll waste 50 man-hours. Dock up and smack in station? This is what would happen. A couple of covops people would follow you around, finding out which station you base from, what systems you normally go to and what times you are usually online. At some point it would be decided when the best time to strike is and hundreds of pilots would form up. 100 is a low estimate, you really don't get the point that there are thousands of players willing to gank a rare ship Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Next day you find me again, if I didn't already dock because of local +100, I'd align to something and warp out when something enters. You can't hide such a fleet. If I was one of your 100 BS pilot with perfect EFT skills, I'd be quite bored and therefore ***ed off by the time and started to question your FC skills. I could go on and on showing how theory is not practice but you'll never find it out unless there will be some more of that ships and I could buy one for 60bil. Players regularly wait for the chance to kill stuff, patience is part of PvP. If you are docked then your "Best missioning ship in eve" isn't running missions. Meanwhile a bog standard Raven is out there without any issue making isk. And again you underestimate the eve population. You act like the ship is invulnerable - it is not if undocked * You act like getting 100+ pilots is hard - it isn't. * You say people hate waiting around for a kill - thousands of players wait in fleets for hours before fights. And you can't buy one for 60bil, the market value is 180+
darius mclever	Posted - 2009.09.04 13:41:00 - [26] Quote: 2. Reasons to kill the state raven If someone has a CNR or Golem with Estamel stuff worth 60 billion, you'd suicide gank it, loot half of the items and become rich. Killing the state raven gives you a killmail (maybe some few hundred mils in modules, but thats rather neglectable). The killmail will look like a fake. If someone ask me, I'll say it's a fake. You gain nothing. There are hundreds of killboards and they are not official. If your only after "an awesome killmail", why don't you create a fake one and pay someone to confirm that he lost the ship. Same effect with minimal effort. ROFL news flash for you. i am an industrial carebear normally. but even i would sacrify isk/time/secstatus for this. the chance to get one of those killmails is low really low. so if you would be dumb enough to undock your state issue for missions regularly. i would be there. hell i might even bring a torp fitted CNR to make it real pain. you never thought why people are so eager to get on titan/mothership killmails? there are not that many. your state issue has a "primary target"-sticker on it. your faction fit would just add on top. please buy one. i beg you please buy a state issue. :D
Shani Mukantagara Amarr Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2009.09.04 15:58:00 - [27] Edited by: Shani Mukantagara on 04/09/2009 15:58:39 Well people who sell there fancy torni ships should be shot in the head... dreams of owning a Imperial geddon. All I would need is 3 triage carriers and I would pvp in it every day ^^
159Pinky Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2009.09.05 15:54:00 - [28] Originally by: Shani Mukantagara Edited by: Shani Mukantagara on 04/09/2009 15:58:39 Well people who sell there fancy torni ships should be shot in the head... dreams of owning a Imperial geddon. All I would need is 3 triage carriers and I would pvp in it every day ^^ Hehe, don't lose those triage carriers shani :D
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.05 16:29:00 - [29] Now stop dreaming about maelstroms and just get torp ravens, which will make short work of a state raven in a nice suicide fleet.
Jered Transer	Posted - 2009.09.05 23:28:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP Claw I can save you this theorycrafting argument: We aren't giving out battleships because we decided to give out frigates and cruisers. Pretty simple really :) Dont think "Because we said so" is what he wants to hear, Claw. Now, where did I put that.........searches for the flogging a dead horse emoticon



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