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Posted - 2004.10.19 12:52:00 -
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If you want your product sales to be region wide you need Visibility 5. If you dont, players will have to dock at the station that your order is at to see it. Consider it like a mom an pops gas station. Unless you see it on the road you wont know it exsits.
This alone will drop mineral prices. A miner will have to sell to a buy order. Otherwise he will have to train upto Procurement IV to get Visibility so he can have players see his sell order.
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Posted - 2004.10.19 12:52:00 -
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If you want your product sales to be region wide you need Visibility 5. If you dont, players will have to dock at the station that your order is at to see it. Consider it like a mom an pops gas station. Unless you see it on the road you wont know it exsits.
This alone will drop mineral prices. A miner will have to sell to a buy order. Otherwise he will have to train upto Procurement IV to get Visibility so he can have players see his sell order.
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Posted - 2004.10.19 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vigilant Since you seem to know a bit....the regular way of selling/buying will remain, correct ? Example...I dock...set market to region...look for "x" item....see one three systems away...buy it...run over and get it ...
The Trade skills are only for space buy/sell orders correct? CCP can't expect none trade people to train these skills to level 5 or even 4 if they are making a fighter only Avatar...
Well I am sorry to say yes they made selling alot harder.
If you dock yes you can sell those items within the station on the market for that station if you do not have have Visibility skill.
To sell or buy remotely you need retail for remote sells and procurement for buy skills. You do this thru the asset icon.
Remote sell/buy
Note the station I am in and where I want to sell from. Also note our max will be two weeks. --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.10.19 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vigilant Since you seem to know a bit....the regular way of selling/buying will remain, correct ? Example...I dock...set market to region...look for "x" item....see one three systems away...buy it...run over and get it ...
The Trade skills are only for space buy/sell orders correct? CCP can't expect none trade people to train these skills to level 5 or even 4 if they are making a fighter only Avatar...
Well I am sorry to say yes they made selling alot harder.
If you dock yes you can sell those items within the station on the market for that station if you do not have have Visibility skill.
To sell or buy remotely you need retail for remote sells and procurement for buy skills. You do this thru the asset icon.
Remote sell/buy
Note the station I am in and where I want to sell from. Also note our max will be two weeks. --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.10.19 14:03:00 -
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The players will see only those orders from whom the seller's Visibility skill reaches them. Visibility will work opposite the way our market todays works. Soo the orders that are selling are not controlled by the buyer but by the seller.
The first sentence states "promoting your product" meaning those that are placing sell orders.
Visibility:
Skill at promoting your product effectively. Each level increases a remote sell orderĘs radius of effect from origin. Level 1 allows for range within same solar system, Level 2 extends that range to systems within 5 jumps, and each subsequent level then doubles it. Level 5 allows for a full regional range. --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.10.19 14:03:00 -
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The players will see only those orders from whom the seller's Visibility skill reaches them. Visibility will work opposite the way our market todays works. Soo the orders that are selling are not controlled by the buyer but by the seller.
The first sentence states "promoting your product" meaning those that are placing sell orders.
Visibility:
Skill at promoting your product effectively. Each level increases a remote sell orderĘs radius of effect from origin. Level 1 allows for range within same solar system, Level 2 extends that range to systems within 5 jumps, and each subsequent level then doubles it. Level 5 allows for a full regional range. --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.10.19 14:18:00 -
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Soo you see then. The market changes will change Eve as we know it.
I feel that most of my orders will be Buys thru out the galaxy and collect it all and sell in a a few regions. --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.10.19 14:18:00 -
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Soo you see then. The market changes will change Eve as we know it.
I feel that most of my orders will be Buys thru out the galaxy and collect it all and sell in a a few regions. --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.10.19 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dawnstar Yes, this particular tidbit really hasn't gotten the player awareness it needs. Folks, the markets are going to look extremely bare when Shiva hits. Its not going to so much be that there aren't things for sale, as a problem with the buyer not being able to see everything which is up for sale.
They will place buy orders. You wont get to pick and choose what sell your you will buy. Its who makes the best buy order!! A dramatic change to now. --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.10.19 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dawnstar Yes, this particular tidbit really hasn't gotten the player awareness it needs. Folks, the markets are going to look extremely bare when Shiva hits. Its not going to so much be that there aren't things for sale, as a problem with the buyer not being able to see everything which is up for sale.
They will place buy orders. You wont get to pick and choose what sell your you will buy. Its who makes the best buy order!! A dramatic change to now. --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.10.20 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: StaticW You still can buy regionwide without skills at the market.
you just cannot place regionwide buy and sell _orders_ without them.
I placed a bug report if you are talking Shiva! --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.10.20 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: StaticW You still can buy regionwide without skills at the market.
you just cannot place regionwide buy and sell _orders_ without them.
I placed a bug report if you are talking Shiva! --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.10.21 14:03:00 -
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Well that point is soooooo valid. This will be an Dev answer cause its not fair on Shiva now. Those Castor orders are set for 3 months and they dont get taxed and you can daytrade and OMG no escrow on the buys. I believe they will warn and delete orders. --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.10.21 14:03:00 -
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Well that point is soooooo valid. This will be an Dev answer cause its not fair on Shiva now. Those Castor orders are set for 3 months and they dont get taxed and you can daytrade and OMG no escrow on the buys. I believe they will warn and delete orders. --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.10.21 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Harisdrop on 21/10/2004 17:10:14
Originally by: vanBuskirk I could be wrong in a few cases, but I don't think anyone needs visibility 5.
By my calculations, vis 4 gives you a 20-jump range for sell orders. I don't know of any region where there is any point more than 20 jumps from any other.
Just my 0.02 isk.
[edit} its Actually 0, 5, 10, 20, region. You are correct. I checked the map and the need is upto 20. I found in Syndicate a 18 jump route to be the most. If anyone else knows a larger on tell me.
I have a problem with buy orders.
Buy order remote
Why do I need to have a remote buy if I can select range Region?
I think buy orders should only be station specfic. Where you can place your buy orders thru the region at stations. As it is now with 2852 you can place a buy and have that tax and charges based on the originating station and have the stuff delivered to stations that hate you. --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.10.21 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Harisdrop on 21/10/2004 17:10:14
Originally by: vanBuskirk I could be wrong in a few cases, but I don't think anyone needs visibility 5.
By my calculations, vis 4 gives you a 20-jump range for sell orders. I don't know of any region where there is any point more than 20 jumps from any other.
Just my 0.02 isk.
[edit} its Actually 0, 5, 10, 20, region. You are correct. I checked the map and the need is upto 20. I found in Syndicate a 18 jump route to be the most. If anyone else knows a larger on tell me.
I have a problem with buy orders.
Buy order remote
Why do I need to have a remote buy if I can select range Region?
I think buy orders should only be station specfic. Where you can place your buy orders thru the region at stations. As it is now with 2852 you can place a buy and have that tax and charges based on the originating station and have the stuff delivered to stations that hate you. --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.10.21 17:04:00 -
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The word remote and direct in this skill sense has no difference. The only difference between them is that you dont have to goto a station to place a sell order. The market visibility is based on a skill not how you place the order.
Your orders will be viewed equally from space. The visibility allows others to see your direct/remote orders further out. --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.10.21 17:04:00 -
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The word remote and direct in this skill sense has no difference. The only difference between them is that you dont have to goto a station to place a sell order. The market visibility is based on a skill not how you place the order.
Your orders will be viewed equally from space. The visibility allows others to see your direct/remote orders further out. --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.10.21 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Harisdrop on 21/10/2004 18:25:02 Shiva. My problem is I have Visibility IV on Shiva soo all my orders are seen. I now have level 4
I guess I need to start an alt....
New CHaracter
Oppps guess not.
I will test this tonight. --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.10.21 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Harisdrop on 21/10/2004 18:25:02 Shiva. My problem is I have Visibility IV on Shiva soo all my orders are seen. I now have level 4
I guess I need to start an alt....
New CHaracter
Oppps guess not.
I will test this tonight. --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.10.25 15:46:00 -
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Over view:
One man do all , jack of all trades is over. The game is based on people working together. Its about to make the middle man more important. If you are a miner you place your orders on the market. Normally you will have to sacrifice some of your profit. The cash flow will be increased. Your orders will be moving faster. With fewer playing the market the deal will be to find a trust worthy Trader to move your items.
I will be looking for the best margin. I plan not to be what I am today. I wont be doinging anything but flying station to station buying and converting to sell orders. Hauling escrow will increase the base materials will drop in value and the finished product will increase.
So the key will not be mining/refine/sell it will be mine/refine/produce.
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Posted - 2004.10.25 15:46:00 -
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Over view:
One man do all , jack of all trades is over. The game is based on people working together. Its about to make the middle man more important. If you are a miner you place your orders on the market. Normally you will have to sacrifice some of your profit. The cash flow will be increased. Your orders will be moving faster. With fewer playing the market the deal will be to find a trust worthy Trader to move your items.
I will be looking for the best margin. I plan not to be what I am today. I wont be doinging anything but flying station to station buying and converting to sell orders. Hauling escrow will increase the base materials will drop in value and the finished product will increase.
So the key will not be mining/refine/sell it will be mine/refine/produce.
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Posted - 2004.10.27 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: The Hypnotist
These could all be good things and will make a much more interresting trading environment. When I think back to how I imagined EVE when I first started playing I kind of expected it to be more like Shiva will be if the new trading is implemented.
This alone will make wars mean something. Alliances will have the resources of 0.0 to cull the noobs in Empire to thier ranks. If any other Alliance steps into the arena, Alliance wars will erupt.
Empire = training grounds.
The noobs watch as fleet blobs roam thru empire. --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.10.27 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: The Hypnotist
These could all be good things and will make a much more interresting trading environment. When I think back to how I imagined EVE when I first started playing I kind of expected it to be more like Shiva will be if the new trading is implemented.
This alone will make wars mean something. Alliances will have the resources of 0.0 to cull the noobs in Empire to thier ranks. If any other Alliance steps into the arena, Alliance wars will erupt.
Empire = training grounds.
The noobs watch as fleet blobs roam thru empire. --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.11.11 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jocca Quinn I'm sure I saw the ability to make a buy order from the corp account on the test server.
Can anyone tell me if you can make a SELL order from the corp account. ie so the proceeds from the sale go directly into the corp account
JQ
Yes , Yes --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.11.11 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jocca Quinn I'm sure I saw the ability to make a buy order from the corp account on the test server.
Can anyone tell me if you can make a SELL order from the corp account. ie so the proceeds from the sale go directly into the corp account
JQ
Yes , Yes --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.11.17 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Harisdrop on 17/11/2004 17:30:04
Originally by: Antione Allyne Here's a question for 'ya...if you don't have Procurement and Visibility, just Trade...and you set up a "sell" order, then someone sets up a remote "buy" order that just happens to match your asking price, won't the trade be settled? If that's the case, then don't worry too much about all of the new skills. Leave that to the specialized traders. Just create honest sell orders and all will be well. It will sell eventually, even if no one can see it outside of the station.
That the basic concept. But what more than likely will happen is you dont even need to set an order. I believe there will be buy orders region wide to buy stuff. Most orders will be honest cause orders will be hard to come by.
I plan on setting buy orders at certain Corporation stations which I have high standing too, to get the most out of my orders. --------------------------
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Posted - 2004.11.17 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Harisdrop on 17/11/2004 17:30:04
Originally by: Antione Allyne Here's a question for 'ya...if you don't have Procurement and Visibility, just Trade...and you set up a "sell" order, then someone sets up a remote "buy" order that just happens to match your asking price, won't the trade be settled? If that's the case, then don't worry too much about all of the new skills. Leave that to the specialized traders. Just create honest sell orders and all will be well. It will sell eventually, even if no one can see it outside of the station.
That the basic concept. But what more than likely will happen is you dont even need to set an order. I believe there will be buy orders region wide to buy stuff. Most orders will be honest cause orders will be hard to come by.
I plan on setting buy orders at certain Corporation stations which I have high standing too, to get the most out of my orders. --------------------------
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