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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.10.19 20:36:00 -
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I still remember undocking from E02 back in the day (before the CA were around) to find Ywev sat there camping the station in an apoc. Back then, bs's were rare, but my trusty stabber got me to safety with some part of the hull still left!!!
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Hakera
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Posted - 2004.10.19 20:36:00 -
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I still remember undocking from E02 back in the day (before the CA were around) to find Ywev sat there camping the station in an apoc. Back then, bs's were rare, but my trusty stabber got me to safety with some part of the hull still left!!!
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.10.19 20:50:00 -
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Part of the EVE experience is losing a ship and get ganked.
Without the bitter there is no sweet kind of thing.
Personally Id like to gank every white bracket out there, because I like that part of the game. You however dont, and I think CCP has found a nice line in between. ( 0.0 and other space)
About the person testing guns, do not trust people who are not your friend.
This is not a hijack
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.10.19 20:50:00 -
[34]
Part of the EVE experience is losing a ship and get ganked.
Without the bitter there is no sweet kind of thing.
Personally Id like to gank every white bracket out there, because I like that part of the game. You however dont, and I think CCP has found a nice line in between. ( 0.0 and other space)
About the person testing guns, do not trust people who are not your friend.
This is not a hijack
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khaki
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Posted - 2004.10.19 21:46:00 -
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I am not arguing the PvP in 0.0 space.What I would like to hear people answer to is the question about being attacked in .4 space and the sentry guns doing nothing.
-Khaki
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khaki
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Posted - 2004.10.19 21:46:00 -
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I am not arguing the PvP in 0.0 space.What I would like to hear people answer to is the question about being attacked in .4 space and the sentry guns doing nothing.
-Khaki
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Jozef Meurtrier
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Posted - 2004.10.19 21:51:00 -
[37]
 Originally by: Hakera
its because of safespots/insta bm's and insurance that killed the 'true piracy' All that is left is ganking. Thats why no true pirates exist anymore, they merged with other 'pvp corps' now since piracy in low sec space is nigh on impossible or not worth the risk etc to make a living.
What he said. There is no more money in ransoming people, since their insurance covers their asses 90% of the time.. They'd rather self-destruct than pay up. Anybody who carries anything of worth is using insta's and travel setups anyway, so they're untouchable.
What you're left with is a counter-response from the player pirates who are getting bored with the whole situation, can't even cover their goddamn ammo costs and start shooting anything that moves. So in the end, both sides lose.
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Jozef Meurtrier
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Posted - 2004.10.19 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
its because of safespots/insta bm's and insurance that killed the 'true piracy' All that is left is ganking. Thats why no true pirates exist anymore, they merged with other 'pvp corps' now since piracy in low sec space is nigh on impossible or not worth the risk etc to make a living.
What he said. There is no more money in ransoming people, since their insurance covers their asses 90% of the time.. They'd rather self-destruct than pay up. Anybody who carries anything of worth is using insta's and travel setups anyway, so they're untouchable.
What you're left with is a counter-response from the player pirates who are getting bored with the whole situation, can't even cover their goddamn ammo costs and start shooting anything that moves. So in the end, both sides lose.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.10.19 22:17:00 -
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If CCP would give sec. hits in 0.0 and pointless ganking will be history. You will be attacked by real pirates that suffer a sec. hit for their aggression (which means sooner or later they are not welcome in the civilized empire anymore - like it should be). And these pirates will scoop your loot, because its their income. True roleplaying would improve a lot - the stupid cowboy-playing-style would go.
If sec. hits in 0.0 dont come, empire will be a mess soon: we for example will declare war on all alliances (wont be expensive for a 3-corp-alliance  ). Why should we pirate in 0.0 if empire-wars will give us thousands of indy-targets, hm??? Empire will be the region we claim, guys! The actual CCP-concept is not good - pirates have fun this way or that way - the mass of players pay the price for stupid decissions CCP did and all the carebears cryed so long for.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.10.19 22:17:00 -
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If CCP would give sec. hits in 0.0 and pointless ganking will be history. You will be attacked by real pirates that suffer a sec. hit for their aggression (which means sooner or later they are not welcome in the civilized empire anymore - like it should be). And these pirates will scoop your loot, because its their income. True roleplaying would improve a lot - the stupid cowboy-playing-style would go.
If sec. hits in 0.0 dont come, empire will be a mess soon: we for example will declare war on all alliances (wont be expensive for a 3-corp-alliance ). Why should we pirate in 0.0 if empire-wars will give us thousands of indy-targets, hm??? Empire will be the region we claim, guys! The actual CCP-concept is not good - pirates have fun this way or that way - the mass of players pay the price for stupid decissions CCP did and all the carebears cryed so long for.
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Skywalker
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Posted - 2004.10.19 23:28:00 -
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The player that ganked Isoli in 0.4 space was me.
Don't take my explanation "I was testing my guns" to seriously, actually i wanted whats was in your cargohold. I don't have the time to ransom you whe you are at a station, and i rarely ramsom anyway.
0.4 is not police protected, so you take a risk and i do aswell when i engage at sentries.
And yes, the sentries was shooting at me, i just tanked them, pirates do that everyday, i just wanted a good laugh when i tolded you i had good standings with the sentries.
If you can't handle the PvP aspects, stay in Empire controlled space.
More Mafia info
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Skywalker
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Posted - 2004.10.19 23:28:00 -
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The player that ganked Isoli in 0.4 space was me.
Don't take my explanation "I was testing my guns" to seriously, actually i wanted whats was in your cargohold. I don't have the time to ransom you whe you are at a station, and i rarely ramsom anyway.
0.4 is not police protected, so you take a risk and i do aswell when i engage at sentries.
And yes, the sentries was shooting at me, i just tanked them, pirates do that everyday, i just wanted a good laugh when i tolded you i had good standings with the sentries.
If you can't handle the PvP aspects, stay in Empire controlled space.
More Mafia info
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Ezekiel Nailo
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Posted - 2004.10.19 23:49:00 -
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All CCP needs to do is put in a better tracking system so someone can actually bountyhunt... it is almost impossible to find someone that has a bounty and equally as hard to kill them 1v1 (in a bs).... and impossible to pod them (unless they are an idiot)....
my 2 isk
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Ezekiel Nailo
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Posted - 2004.10.19 23:49:00 -
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All CCP needs to do is put in a better tracking system so someone can actually bountyhunt... it is almost impossible to find someone that has a bounty and equally as hard to kill them 1v1 (in a bs).... and impossible to pod them (unless they are an idiot)....
my 2 isk
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Amicus
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Posted - 2004.10.20 00:16:00 -
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Isolo,
I understand your frustration, and I agree that law enforcement is not what it should be in Eve. However, I also agree with those that say that ganking for little reason is within the bounds of behavior to expect in 0.0. space.
THE NON-PVP WAY:
You are right, the Empires do guard fields of Megacyte and Zydrine, but so closely that they exclude small time operators like yourself. The rationale given by CCP for why you cannot find fields of Megacyte and Zydrine in high security space is because the NPC empires closely control and guard those fields for themselves. If you want to mine Megacyte and Zydrine then it will take real ingenuity to avoid pvp (it will not be a cake walk). If you donÆt find that the challenge of 0.0 adds spice to your game play, then that was what Empire space is for. You can get ahead in Eve without participating in pvp, but avoiding pvp does put limitations on how you can advance.
BOUNTY REFORM:
With regard to ganking in 0.4 space, pirates are always coming up with new ways of avoiding the sentries. My solution for that is to get a working bounty system. See  Bounty Reform Chapt. 3: Solutions. We need to encourage the pvpÆers to enforce the laws; I believe that will make for a better game than just shutting down all pvp in empire space.
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Amicus
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Posted - 2004.10.20 00:16:00 -
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Isolo,
I understand your frustration, and I agree that law enforcement is not what it should be in Eve. However, I also agree with those that say that ganking for little reason is within the bounds of behavior to expect in 0.0. space.
THE NON-PVP WAY:
You are right, the Empires do guard fields of Megacyte and Zydrine, but so closely that they exclude small time operators like yourself. The rationale given by CCP for why you cannot find fields of Megacyte and Zydrine in high security space is because the NPC empires closely control and guard those fields for themselves. If you want to mine Megacyte and Zydrine then it will take real ingenuity to avoid pvp (it will not be a cake walk). If you donÆt find that the challenge of 0.0 adds spice to your game play, then that was what Empire space is for. You can get ahead in Eve without participating in pvp, but avoiding pvp does put limitations on how you can advance.
BOUNTY REFORM:
With regard to ganking in 0.4 space, pirates are always coming up with new ways of avoiding the sentries. My solution for that is to get a working bounty system. See Bounty Reform Chapt. 3: Solutions. We need to encourage the pvpÆers to enforce the laws; I believe that will make for a better game than just shutting down all pvp in empire space.
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Gantor Paxnor
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Posted - 2004.10.20 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Skywalker
If you can't handle the PvP aspects, stay in Empire controlled space.
I have to agree... I don't engage in PvP for fun myself, but it is a necessary element of the game, without it the game would be confined and would not be able to evolve. CCP continue to add elements that balance the game, but there has to remain a viable profession in the game through PvP.
I remember Skywalker and his mate attacking me as I was on my way back from the Solitude region - I engaged the MWD and just got to the gate as the first heavy missile hit the shields.
Just that event certainly made what is usually a boring and long trip much more interesting and exciting. The two involved were both flagged criminal so I knew that it would end up a race to the gate. Conclusion: that was fun 
FYI : I encountered the first at the entry gate into the system and they both warped to the gate I was exiting from. It wasn't 0.0, but <0.5, I didn't bother returning fire. The sentry guns did start firing (before anyone thinks exploit), but I imagine he was armour tanked and his mate might have had remote armour repairers as well... who knows.. great adrenaline rush, especially as my ship jumped just as the first missile exploded 
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Gantor Paxnor
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Posted - 2004.10.20 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Skywalker
If you can't handle the PvP aspects, stay in Empire controlled space.
I have to agree... I don't engage in PvP for fun myself, but it is a necessary element of the game, without it the game would be confined and would not be able to evolve. CCP continue to add elements that balance the game, but there has to remain a viable profession in the game through PvP.
I remember Skywalker and his mate attacking me as I was on my way back from the Solitude region - I engaged the MWD and just got to the gate as the first heavy missile hit the shields.
Just that event certainly made what is usually a boring and long trip much more interesting and exciting. The two involved were both flagged criminal so I knew that it would end up a race to the gate. Conclusion: that was fun
FYI : I encountered the first at the entry gate into the system and they both warped to the gate I was exiting from. It wasn't 0.0, but <0.5, I didn't bother returning fire. The sentry guns did start firing (before anyone thinks exploit), but I imagine he was armour tanked and his mate might have had remote armour repairers as well... who knows.. great adrenaline rush, especially as my ship jumped just as the first missile exploded
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2004.10.20 02:15:00 -
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Lifewire is correct. Its about time the empires started taking more notice of people murduring their citizens. We should make a petition.
Infinity Ziona
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2004.10.20 02:15:00 -
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Lifewire is correct. Its about time the empires started taking more notice of people murduring their citizens. We should make a petition.
Infinity Ziona
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.10.20 04:28:00 -
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Edited by: Sally on 20/10/2004 04:31:15
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Lifewire is correct. Its about time the empires started taking more notice of people murduring their citizens. We should make a petition.
Infinity Ziona
He is not.
I do not want to use alts to move my ships for my main.
I do not want to use instas all the way through empire to move there freely with a negative security rating.
I have the feeling that he makes this suggestion, because he found alternatives to live with a high sec rating.
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Stories: #1
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.10.20 04:28:00 -
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Edited by: Sally on 20/10/2004 04:31:15
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Lifewire is correct. Its about time the empires started taking more notice of people murduring their citizens. We should make a petition.
Infinity Ziona
He is not.
I do not want to use alts to move my ships for my main.
I do not want to use instas all the way through empire to move there freely with a negative security rating.
I have the feeling that he makes this suggestion, because he found alternatives to live with a high sec rating.
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Stories: #1
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2004.10.20 04:52:00 -
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Is there a particular reason why you think you should be able to mass murder people in 0.0 and not have consequences?
I don't mind that you mass murder people, but I do mind that I have to go and spend days on end killing boring ass NPCS because I killed somebody in .1+ while you guys own 0.0, can freely kill in .1+ (because you own the faction NPCS in 0.0) and can freely enter 5+ with no problems.
And you get all these benefits while your killing 100x the number of ships I'm killing and most probably podding just for the fun of it (I can pod 1 person then I have to spend 1 week npc killing).
The difference between 0.0 and 0.1 is quite absurd.
Infinity Ziona
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2004.10.20 04:52:00 -
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Is there a particular reason why you think you should be able to mass murder people in 0.0 and not have consequences?
I don't mind that you mass murder people, but I do mind that I have to go and spend days on end killing boring ass NPCS because I killed somebody in .1+ while you guys own 0.0, can freely kill in .1+ (because you own the faction NPCS in 0.0) and can freely enter 5+ with no problems.
And you get all these benefits while your killing 100x the number of ships I'm killing and most probably podding just for the fun of it (I can pod 1 person then I have to spend 1 week npc killing).
The difference between 0.0 and 0.1 is quite absurd.
Infinity Ziona
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Wren
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Posted - 2004.10.20 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sally
Edited by: Sally on 20/10/2004 04:31:15
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Lifewire is correct. Its about time the empires started taking more notice of people murduring their citizens. We should make a petition.
Infinity Ziona
He is not.
I do not want to use alts to move my ships for my main.
I do not want to use instas all the way through empire to move there freely with a negative security rating.
I have the feeling that he makes this suggestion, because he found alternatives to live with a high sec rating.
Explain to me, then Sally, why Condord hands out bounties and security status rewards for blowing up and killing NPC pirates but turns a blind eye to you murdering people?
It is stupid. Concord should always pay you isk for podding a - security status pilot, as well as reward you a small amount of security status, and always tag you with negative security for blowing up other players.
I think with this and lifewire's ideas you would see a completely different PVP dynamic emerge where those who want to fight go find others who want to fight and... OMG decalare war and actually fight instead of camp and blob all day.
Things that are completely screwing this games PVP:
Blobs.
Safespots.
Skilless Ganking (as in not really wanting what you get from the kill in isk or cargo, just the jollies of 'pwn'ing a player, usually using complete overkill in ship size and weapons or multiple ships vs a lone ship)
Concord and CCP right now let the gankers run wild and enjoy their pie/cake too.
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Wren
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Posted - 2004.10.20 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sally
Edited by: Sally on 20/10/2004 04:31:15
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Lifewire is correct. Its about time the empires started taking more notice of people murduring their citizens. We should make a petition.
Infinity Ziona
He is not.
I do not want to use alts to move my ships for my main.
I do not want to use instas all the way through empire to move there freely with a negative security rating.
I have the feeling that he makes this suggestion, because he found alternatives to live with a high sec rating.
Explain to me, then Sally, why Condord hands out bounties and security status rewards for blowing up and killing NPC pirates but turns a blind eye to you murdering people?
It is stupid. Concord should always pay you isk for podding a - security status pilot, as well as reward you a small amount of security status, and always tag you with negative security for blowing up other players.
I think with this and lifewire's ideas you would see a completely different PVP dynamic emerge where those who want to fight go find others who want to fight and... OMG decalare war and actually fight instead of camp and blob all day.
Things that are completely screwing this games PVP:
Blobs.
Safespots.
Skilless Ganking (as in not really wanting what you get from the kill in isk or cargo, just the jollies of 'pwn'ing a player, usually using complete overkill in ship size and weapons or multiple ships vs a lone ship)
Concord and CCP right now let the gankers run wild and enjoy their pie/cake too.
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Elrathias
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Posted - 2004.10.20 06:08:00 -
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No.
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Elrathias
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Posted - 2004.10.20 06:08:00 -
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No.
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2004.10.20 06:12:00 -
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Enacting security hits for combat in 0.0 space would destroy alliances over night. Even with the alliance system proposed in Shiva, people would be able to exploit NPC and rookie corps to destroy the security ratings of anyone involved in alliances. They simply depend to heavily on the ability to freely use force, for them to be able to function with that ability taken away.
About the only thing that would be left would be solo operators, pure ganking groups, and the ocational newb who wandered into the crossfire. It would be impossible to maintain any sort of order beyond that.
Harry Voyager
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2004.10.20 06:12:00 -
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Enacting security hits for combat in 0.0 space would destroy alliances over night. Even with the alliance system proposed in Shiva, people would be able to exploit NPC and rookie corps to destroy the security ratings of anyone involved in alliances. They simply depend to heavily on the ability to freely use force, for them to be able to function with that ability taken away.
About the only thing that would be left would be solo operators, pure ganking groups, and the ocational newb who wandered into the crossfire. It would be impossible to maintain any sort of order beyond that.
Harry Voyager
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