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3ll3 Gallente Nocan Industries	Posted - 2009.09.05 21:38:00 - [1] Hmnnn Claps his hands together and Wiggles I keep hearing people in hoods screaming or saying God say this or God says that, even God has given us the right to do such and such or the power to be this or that. Well here's how I see it, the Clergy of the Ammarrian Empire has said that now how can you be entirely sure this is true unless you hear that deity your self but if you do hear it don't they lock you up normaly for hearing voices no one else can hear? Guess not in Amarr' maybe I should move down there who knows they might make me an Orical or Sage, but if for a moment if I could be serous and sane if that's even possible! Is it not Greed and religion thgat is the cause for all this needless fighting between the factions? One group or indervidual desireing some thing another has or seek to force others to conform to their point of view? I mean by this the top clergy-people of a religion who are more than capable of corrupting the written words of their faith so they can manipulate and increase their control of their masses to through greed for more power attempt other races to bow down to their will? I have to ask is this really what their God wants or is it just the the words of Greedy Inderviduals who crave even more than what they all ready have, even if it means taking from others. Just a thought really but still quite the disturbing one that I'm sure many at some point have pondered, wouldn't you say?
3ll3 Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.05 22:55:00 - [2] You know what makes me smile how bot of you have skirted around the the part where members of the higher clergy have manipulate dyour own written faith made some parts outlawed or blasphemus just becouse it dosen't fit with their point of view. Now explian this please?
3ll3 Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.06 02:46:00 - [3] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow The more I try to ponder the Amarrian "enlightenment" the more in the dark I am. Welcome to my world.
3ll3 Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.06 04:21:00 - [4] Edited by: 3ll3 on 06/09/2009 04:25:52 Fair enough I shall try to endever to do so, though I should point out it dosen't entertain me ratehr confuse me hense why I have asked my questions. Though I do have to ask whaat if those who made the admendments where wrong them selves or missinturpreted the words of their deity? For example the some what contriversial Sani Sabik, now please wait before going all uperty for speaking those two words. I do not refer to the blood raiders as they only follow a veriation of this that they perceve as being correct personaly I wouldn't know. Now this was removed was it not by those in the higher echelons of the Amarrian Clurgy, now how do we really know that this was done due to some deity saying it should be done rather than some one doing it becouse it didn't fit how their point of view? all so how do we truely know that it was becouse her deity told her tohave those slaves released and not becouse vit fitted some future plan she has devised? All so I find my self asking how do we know the scriptures where spoken to man to be written down by man since it so very long ago? Could it not also have been written by an indervidual desring to create a power base around himself to unite his race under his or her rule? So many questions fill my mind yet the answers all ways evade me side tracking me with more questions or subtle cotridictions in terms with people saying and doing two diferant things in the name of their particular deity or delibratly twisting what might be written for their own means. I find faith and religion concept to be mostconfusing and chaotic the more I ask my self questions about it or look more and more closely into it. Why does the written and rewritten mesh of words and views of so many diferant religous leaders over the years need to be enforced, I mean if it truely is the written word of thier deity then it should not need to be forced on to people?
3ll3 Gallente Nocan Industries	Posted - 2009.09.06 05:36:00 - [5] Edited by: 3ll3 on 06/09/2009 05:39:40 The thing is I actualy question the legality of the so called democratic elections since so much of the federation if run or owned even influenced by corput corperations or so it would seem, I see so much contridiction in the federation, Caldari and even the Minmatar Republic. One the reasons I feel fortunate enough to be a free from such strangling constrictions as the avrage indervidual upon the planets are held down by. But still I find my self asking makes the Outlawed Scriptures Hereitcal other than what those who deemed it so, is teh view portrayed in them so vastly difreant that it contridicts what those who now hold power in the higher levels in the clergy seek to portray?
3ll3 Gallente Nocan Industries	Posted - 2009.09.06 18:46:00 - [6] Though I find my self asking who deems it Heretical other than those in the higher echelons of the Clergy who dictate the words for others to abide by be it by the voice of their deity or for their own means? After with any thing be it a religion or even a Race that the those who hold power dictate what is to be acceptable and every one else must cohear to the Social Norms of the Dominant Majority? If so then Then that would mean the one in charge could hear the words of their deity but have those words possibly twisted by their bias or unconscious mind to be slightly different to what it should be. I mean is how come so many people say they hear the voice of their deity yet have different view points and preach things that contradict another persons preaching? I guess only one could be really hearing the words wit out those words being twisted but how do you really know which one is saying the unchanged words? Mr Kathul, you asked me two questions so I shall attempt to answer them for you as best I can. You asked me what I thought the Biggest Empire at this point in time is and I would have to say the Rouge Drones, that or the combined Pirate Corporations and Alliances though I don't see what this has to do with any thing. As to your second question I do personal think they are alive I mean take the Intiki a Race based around cloneing or even us capsulises though I guess it boils down to one simple Phrase that is un-arguable: *Cogito Ergo Sum* I Think There For I Am! But I am puzzled by your last part for you say you pity me? Why? Faith is like a point of View, dictated to or shard by a Group Majority that adheres to a Social Norm, and Social Norms are merely points of view like Good and Evil, Sane and Insane.
3ll3 Gallente Nocan Industries	Posted - 2009.09.06 21:37:00 - [7] Edited by: 3ll3 on 06/09/2009 21:38:06 Intresting I seem to have struck a nerve some how? Intresting. Tough I would have to say I have no intrest in shakeing any ones faith merely to try and understand some thing I do not understand nothing more and nothing less to behonest with you, tough I do not see how holding a Lady against the wall and punching her would be any form of debate? Though I do not think I'm talking about the exsistance of a deity since their areinfanty possibilties in the vast universe around us, if any thing I am attempting to figure out What faith is and why it has changed over the generations as for the other gentleman I was merely answering how he across to me. Though I do not understand your sudden agresive behavior when I my self have no been so agresive to you sir? Have in some way Offended You? If so then I apolagise as that wasn't my intentions.
3ll3 Gallente Nocan Industries	Posted - 2009.09.07 09:16:00 - [8] Hmnn as to what is Religion and Faith, from what I have herd and pondered about I can only conclude the following. Religion is point of view past down by some Deity to none deities such as us mortals but some mortals may misinterpret the point of view or twist it to their own motives or opinions on how things should be preserved as. Or even after many years the written words of these Deities may be removed, altered and changed to be suit the present Social Norm. While others may seek to fix what has been changed so it becomes the Deities Original point of view. Faith is tough one, it's not like the Faith you might have in another person who has earned your trust and respect , Religious Faith is more of a pre-requisite of demand Trust and Respect. It does not need to earn your respect or trust but you must give it without question and follow its teachings without question or so it would appear from what I have observed. Indeed it is most disconcerting this thing called Religious Faith and can now understand why most from the other races do not wish any part of it willingly. I will of course ponder this further just to be sure but so far these are the conclusions I have personally come to.
3ll3 Gallente Nocan Industries	Posted - 2009.09.07 18:09:00 - [9] Mr Graelyn if we don't try to understand some thing, if we don't ask questions and try to understand how will know what some thing is? Also what is meant by 'Mouth Breather' do we not all breath with our mouths? Mrs Jenneth, what you say is most intresting I would indeed like to hear more if I may please? The idea that we are all little more than illusions sounds like a mostfacinaing avenue to look into.
3ll3 Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.08 04:47:00 - [10] Edited by: 3ll3 on 08/09/2009 04:47:47 Hmnnn intresting please hold a moment while I listen to the data recording. The sound of a data-corder being played in the back ground could be herd the words familiar yet to quiet to fully understand Intresting though that was not my intention it does how ever seem to indeed come across like that, as though I am seeking attention how strange. Indeed a most puzzling observation from MR Graelyn, indeed my hatoff to you sir for noticing this. Well I would take my hat off if I wore one. When next I start a channel I must remember to bare this in mind so that I do not sound in any other way than I mean to sound, I guess I owe you Mr Graelyn a Thank You. So: THANK YOU MR GRAELYN!

3ll3 Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.08 19:07:00 - [11] Statemeant: I fear I may indeed have to have my translation unit checked for gramatic errors as you and many before have said. Miss/Mrs Strange, Hmnnn as I reacall though from the History files I some time ago stated that the Intikani use cloneing a great deal. Miss/Mrs Ruutarhara, I have all r eady aknowledge that in the future I need to check my statements now so they do not sound more akin to the aquireing of attention instead of asking questions. I do not wish for your or any one elses acceptances but I do agree I need to go over what I intend to say in transmition before I actualy make a transmition on the Summit so that Questions do not come across comes across as Statements as the good Mr Graelyn has pointed out to me. Mr Osamu, So far all I have been able to comprehend from some of the above gentlemen is that Becouse some one has said it to be the word of god it must there for be true, I am just struggling to comprehend how this can be taken with out question. I wish to understand this concept of Religous Faith, being able to accept the words spoken from some one with out question though I fear I have as I have often done made a pigs ear out of trying to put my questions and what I have come to understand across correctly. Hmnn it may be I should put my thoughts down on a data pad and then work on how best to put my questions and what I have understood together in a less jumbled mess and far less Statement and attention seeking making style? #3ll3's Bio
3ll3 Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.08 19:14:00 - [12] The more I think about this the more it seems to make sense that I should take what has been spoken here digest it the best I can then try again to fathom out what Religous Faith and Religion is all about. But should I transmit again I will also need to go over it several times before hand on a data pad so that I do not make such a horrific mess as I have done here. I would like to thank all the inderviduals for what they have told me as it is food for thought. #3ll3's Bio
3ll3 Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.08 19:37:00 - [13] Edited by: 3ll3 on 08/09/2009 19:43:47 Mrs Jenneth? I think I need to at some point to talk with you in person this some how feels like it makes sense yet it's comprehention seems just out of reach like I can touch it with the tips of my fingers, feeel its textures yet not grasp hold of it and draw it towards me. I feel I need to know more on this, though I do not comprehend why I feel like I do its like some paradox in my mind one side saying why do you need to know more of some thing you do not comprehend, the other saying it feels right and I should learnn more. I know this makes little sense and apolagise for this. #3ll3's Bio
3ll3 Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.09 05:08:00 - [14] Mrs Jenneth,I Look forwards to learning more. Bows Respectfully #3ll3's Bio

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