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Tebis
BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.17 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Tebis on 17/09/2009 12:48:58
i find it funny that you refer to people who take this game too seriously..
if you ask me.. you are taking it just as serious as the people you are basically labeling as morally bankrupt
this is a video game.. an amazing in depth video game that allows for a person to do whatever the hell they like .. even more so than in real life because the only punishment is the disdain from people like you rather than actual repercussions from law enforcement
sure you have a point.. the people are showing little or no morals
but you say f9 was "judging people by their actions and working as a community against the harm of people."
first.. how was he working as a community? i don't understand this.. he acted alone and brought sirmolle into it (atleast from what i understand)
second.. how is he working against the harm of people? who are you to judge what harms people more .. who are you to judge who will be using the isk most advantageously for the betterment of eve.. this entire ordeal was all for the benefit of a few people.. originally the benefit of SFS.. and now the benefit of molle and possibly the other bob corps (which is nowhere close to the entire community of eve)
get off your high horse and play the game .. stop taking it so seriously and let these people do whatever the hell they want without passing judgment ... has this in any way affected you?
f9 lost his credibility with everyone but the morality police it seems .. but in the end i doubt he cares.. he stated that he wasn't making much money 3rd partying anyway
i bet half the people who are saying they would or would not use him because of this .. have little use for 3rd partys anyway
edit: spelling and what not
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Tebis
BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.17 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tebis on 17/09/2009 17:44:02
 Originally by: Zheren Huli
clearly posting my point of view that goes against yours is taking the game too seriously... yes indeed lols
it has nothing to do with going against my point of view.. i never ever said i went against your point of view .. i agreed that it showed low morals.. but the fact that you are so emphatically defending f9s actions shows that you indeed are taking it serious
Originally by: Zheren Huli
like the last post above me you need a higher skilllvl in reading and understanding of sentence structures since the subject that is refered to obviously is community of the previous sentence...
oh you mean the words "I have to say that f90 did what most of the community forgot over the years." please enlighten me as to where you even defined what community you speak of.. he never was working "as" a community or even with it.. he worked alone
don't blame my reading comprehension because you suck at making a point.. i can only assume that you aren't a native english speaker
Originally by: Zheren Huli
well first of all sfs stole the ships so the original benefit was ment to be for the bob corps and as i get it certain member who helped in archiving them so to say "originally the benefit of sfs" is a total wrong argument.
but you tell me that stealing funds from several people instead of stealing back from a person that robbed a lot of others beform aint more harm? again just lol at the oppinion most people in this game have now adays.
also i was never speaking that it would benefit all of eve, but acctualy F90 showed that morals arent forgotten by all which is a nice thing i pointed out.
first off.. the "ordeal" i mentioned in my previous started with sfs's corp theft.. which was for his benefit .. if you don't think it was you are a fool
as for stealing from 1 person compared to stealing from many .. thats a foolish argument ... the only way SFSs was more harmful was because he stole more isk.. not because he stole it from multiple people.. stealing is stealing and i don't know what world you live in.. but where i live, vigilante justice is looked down upon because it circumvents the law system.. what happened to two wrongs don't make a right? thats a very very old mentality
Originally by: Zheren Huli
again no reason to get all aggro because i simply post my oppinion to this, telling me to get of my high horse just because i tell what i think acctualy puts you on one.
keep the trolls comming 
i'm not getting "aggro" i just found your post ironic and thought i'd comment on it .. you are free to post your opinion (however silly it might be  )
i don't see how i'm on a high horse at all.. i didn't even take a stand on the issue ..if you think i did.. then you need to take your own advice about getting a higher skill level in reading comprehension..
i just tried to question your explanations .. in eve just like in the real world.. there is no black and white right and wrong ... what if SFS stole it to prevent molle from using the isk to pay off some guy in goons to pull a haargoth (pulling this out at random.. not suggesting its true cause it would probably never happen).. but the point is you don't know the full extent of the situation .. noone does except molle and SFS
i couldn't care less who stole what .. its an online game which allows for pure freedom .. if you wanna play like that more power to you.. i just find people, who take this whole right vs wrong stand and claim that all morality is lost, to be very silly and misguided
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Tebis
BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.17 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Zheren Huli
well you must lol. the community is the eve community *really such a hard thing to get?*, and where again do i "personify" him as a community? if its not about comprehension than what?
look back to my original post "working as a community against the harm of people." your words.. you used as.. its confusing as hell wording.. and of course i knew it was the eve community i'm just saying he worked alone and your statement made no sense
Originally by: Zheren Huli
you mean the ordeal started with the occurrence to make such a corp theft. no occurrence no theft thats an easy thing dont you think so? the occurence had a meaning nonetheless that shouldt be left out just because it dont fits in any hypothesis.
to the second paragraph, well bascicly he stole it from multiple people, kinda lot to be honest as he stole it from corporations ;).
two wrongs make a right in math, and i guess we all know the story of robin hood. i think its rather something that should be applied in this case since the community *lets make it easier for you -> average eve population <-* dont lives by a law other than concord anyway.
eh i guess i can concede that but i was speaking about the theft and that seemed fairly obvious to me ... however.. you use robin hood.. he was still considered a thief and there are legitimate reason to say he was doing wrong even if it did benefit others
Originally by: Zheren Huli
Originally by: Tebis
i just tried to question your explanations .. in eve just like in the real world.. there is no black and white right and wrong
uhm let me remind you at this
Originally by: Tebis
stealing is stealing and i don't know what world you live in.. but where i live, vigilante justice is looked down upon because it circumvents the law system.. what happened to two wrongs don't make a right? thats a very very old mentality
sounds familar eh?
i have no idea what you are talking about here.. in the first statement i'm talking about issues of morality.. in the second i'm talking about issues of law.. sure there is little gray area in terms of law (well.. some areas of law.. lawyers pull out plenty of gray area in courts)
either way.. law != morality
Originally by: Zheren Huli
so why you do it?
why do i do what?? did you even read what i wrote? i said i don't care about the theft .. which i have taken little stance on the theft as you recognized above..
what you failed to quote was the part where i mention the morality issue.. which is what all my posts have been about.. more reading comprehension please?
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Tebis
BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.18 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Zheren Huli
sadly other things that are as easy to get arent that obviously to you *see above* lol. also i never said he wasnt a thief the thing i refer to was the reason of the action, which did in f90`s aswell as in robin hood`s case mean that they didnt harm the people that dont deserved to get harmed. you can argue now with the ethic "it wont make me any better doing the same etc etc" but tbh? what would it do me better to not do it ;)?
i find it funny that you compare him to robin hood .. because the comparison was drawn previously in this thread.. it was a case of stealing from the rich and giving to the even richer
Originally by: Zheren Huli
in some way you are right and in some wrong. the explantation for that is that action in real depend more on law. that is because most actions are traced and judged and you have to look out for what you do to not end in a state you dont like.
in eve however you have no such state. you just buy or raise the next alt and in some way people are released of the shackles to hide their true self.
so the thing that keeps you at bay in eve mainly is morality since its the only law that really gets to you.
didn't i state this earlier..? "even more so than in real life because the only punishment is the disdain from people like you rather than actual repercussions from law enforcement"
Originally by: Zheren Huli
starting of with "why i do what?" and ending with "more reading comprehension".... seriously... you should get some if you have to start like that since your posts alone are proof enough even when you just say "little stance" it is about it and you cant deny it.
about the morality issue, well i guess i have written above and as more and more examples show up i wonder how people stil try to deny that it gets lower at a steady rate, but oh well i heard rose-colored glasses sell currently pretty well in jita.
okay.. those 2 statements are not link in any which way.. your post was pretty horrible in that you didn't explain anything in that statement.. you clipped off my original quote in your post which was "i couldn't care less who stole what .. its an online game which allows for pure freedom .. if you wanna play like that more power to you.. i just find people, who take this whole right vs wrong stand and claim that all morality is lost, to be very silly and misguided"
to which you responded "so why do you do it?"
now please point out to me in my statement where i am doing anything.. i'm merely stating my views .. and i assume my action that you are questioning is my actual posting.. so i responded and if you think my posts are about the actual theft.. you are quite mistaken .. my posts could (in general) apply to any action regarding morals .. including haargoth's which have been brought up before.. i have made few references to the actual theft in comparison to other content.. you mentioned robin hood.. does that mean your posts are all about robin hood?
of course i'm a troll .. 90% of the people who post here are trolls including yourself
now my original point was to just poke fun at the fact that you referred to others as taking the game seriously when you yourself were taking it just as serious ... i think i've proven my point and now have been successfully trolled (kudos i guess) to a morality discussion which has no point and no definite end .. everyone's views differ atleast a small bit
also to emnity .. i love to hear myself talk .. why shouldn't everyone else .. i'm just that awesome 
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