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Galton Grimm	Posted - 2004.10.20 17:45:00 - [1] Tractor beam for collecting cans. If a nosferatu can draw energy, this one should be able to draw mass.
Galton Grimm	Posted - 2004.10.20 17:45:00 - [2] Tractor beam for collecting cans. If a nosferatu can draw energy, this one should be able to draw mass.
Harry MacDougal	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:14:00 - [3] I think they're working on a drone to collect cans. Is that good enough for you? -------------- Your 720mm Howitzer Artillery I perfectly strikes Guristas Spy, wrecking for 411.2 damage.
Harry MacDougal	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:14:00 - [4] I think they're working on a drone to collect cans. Is that good enough for you? -------------- Your 720mm Howitzer Artillery I perfectly strikes Guristas Spy, wrecking for 411.2 damage.
Jesloy	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:16:00 - [5] Tractor beams would be real cool! Free Corp is recruiting
Jesloy	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:16:00 - [6] Tractor beams would be real cool! Free Corp is recruiting
Shimatu	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:18:00 - [7] i want a tractor beam for other reasons... as a variable webber, basically. so that you lock it onto an enemy ship, and it will try to make it go at the same speed as you. if your in a battleship, and slap one on a frigate, theyll grind to a stop almost instantly. if your in a frigate and slap one on a battleship... well, your gonna get dragged along at the speed its going i reckon :P also, the speed of the ships will have an effect too... well actually momentum. so mass and speed will both affect the final direction of the pair. this could also lead to interesting teamwork, whereby you use a fast bship to drag a hauler around quickly, or to drag slow battleships around the battlefield. but oh well. its probly too much of an addition at this stage :( 3-I's T2 sales can be found HERE
Shimatu	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:18:00 - [8] i want a tractor beam for other reasons... as a variable webber, basically. so that you lock it onto an enemy ship, and it will try to make it go at the same speed as you. if your in a battleship, and slap one on a frigate, theyll grind to a stop almost instantly. if your in a frigate and slap one on a battleship... well, your gonna get dragged along at the speed its going i reckon :P also, the speed of the ships will have an effect too... well actually momentum. so mass and speed will both affect the final direction of the pair. this could also lead to interesting teamwork, whereby you use a fast bship to drag a hauler around quickly, or to drag slow battleships around the battlefield. but oh well. its probly too much of an addition at this stage :( 3-I's T2 sales can be found HERE
teknochild	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:18:00 - [9] the drone thing would be great if they were automated i think it wouldnt save much time if you had to lock onto each can and send a drones after it
teknochild	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:18:00 - [10] the drone thing would be great if they were automated i think it wouldnt save much time if you had to lock onto each can and send a drones after it
Miss Take	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:19:00 - [11] I would love to have a tractor beam :-)
Miss Take	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:19:00 - [12] I would love to have a tractor beam :-)
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:20:00 - [13] I just want a tractor. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:20:00 - [14] I just want a tractor. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Hakera	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:25:00 - [15] yeah and tow ships and stuff or pos with it as well! Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:25:00 - [16] yeah and tow ships and stuff or pos with it as well! Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
teknochild	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:36:00 - [17] hey shimanto thats an interesting idea... i wouldnt really wana see it in the game but interesting.... i just want to points out a flaw, if your going to be dragging things around whatever is doing the dragging should have to have at least double the mass of w/e its dragging othere wise youd have frigates towing b/s at like 3k sounds like the makeings of a new class fighter/miner/BARGE
teknochild	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:36:00 - [18] hey shimanto thats an interesting idea... i wouldnt really wana see it in the game but interesting.... i just want to points out a flaw, if your going to be dragging things around whatever is doing the dragging should have to have at least double the mass of w/e its dragging othere wise youd have frigates towing b/s at like 3k sounds like the makeings of a new class fighter/miner/BARGE
Shimatu	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:59:00 - [19] uhh, no you wouldnt a frigate would have 1/100th the mass of a bship. so it would take 100 frigates going at that speed to go get a bship up to it. course, there are implications with using 3mwds on a crow, and towing a ship at 1.6km/sec :P 3-I's T2 sales can be found HERE
Shimatu	Posted - 2004.10.20 21:59:00 - [20] uhh, no you wouldnt a frigate would have 1/100th the mass of a bship. so it would take 100 frigates going at that speed to go get a bship up to it. course, there are implications with using 3mwds on a crow, and towing a ship at 1.6km/sec :P 3-I's T2 sales can be found HERE
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.10.20 23:19:00 - [21] lol i remember j0rt askin for this in the early m0o dayz "Teh lord of Nonni"
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.10.20 23:19:00 - [22] lol i remember j0rt askin for this in the early m0o dayz "Teh lord of Nonni"
Orb Lati	Posted - 2004.10.20 23:49:00 - [23] Beams on a Minmatar ship..NEVER. I want a large magntic grapple and winch to reel those cargo containers in. "We Worship Strength, because it is through strength that all other values are made possible"
Orb Lati	Posted - 2004.10.20 23:49:00 - [24] Beams on a Minmatar ship..NEVER. I want a large magntic grapple and winch to reel those cargo containers in. "We Worship Strength, because it is through strength that all other values are made possible"
teknochild	Posted - 2004.10.21 00:53:00 - [25] shim no need to be offended since from what u originally specified it would have been a flaw in your plan even though u said a frig would be slowed down that still leaves it open
teknochild	Posted - 2004.10.21 00:53:00 - [26] shim no need to be offended since from what u originally specified it would have been a flaw in your plan even though u said a frig would be slowed down that still leaves it open
GeorgeZ	Posted - 2004.10.21 04:16:00 - [27] arent you guys tired of Star Trek already?
GeorgeZ	Posted - 2004.10.21 04:16:00 - [28] arent you guys tired of Star Trek already?
Harry MacDougal	Posted - 2004.10.21 05:25:00 - [29] or Star Wars? -------------- Your 720mm Howitzer Artillery I perfectly strikes Guristas Spy, wrecking for 411.2 damage.
Harry MacDougal	Posted - 2004.10.21 05:25:00 - [30] or Star Wars? -------------- Your 720mm Howitzer Artillery I perfectly strikes Guristas Spy, wrecking for 411.2 damage.
Cruz	Posted - 2004.10.21 08:49:00 - [31] Theres already a topic on this Linkage .................
Cruz	Posted - 2004.10.21 08:49:00 - [32] Theres already a topic on this Linkage .................
Karmic	Posted - 2004.10.21 08:50:00 - [33] Originally by: Joshua Calvert I just want a tractor. I've got a brand new combine harvestor. Any good ? - - - - - - - - -
Karmic	Posted - 2004.10.21 08:50:00 - [34] Originally by: Joshua Calvert I just want a tractor. I've got a brand new combine harvestor. Any good ? - - - - - - - - -
Tripp Orsam	Posted - 2004.10.22 20:54:00 - [35] I think a tractor beam would be awesome both for collecting cans and pulling low mass ships towards you like inties and frigs, would have to fit 2 or more to pull cruisers, and forget about pulling battleships in anything smaller than a battleship, unless they introduce ship specially desinged to specialize in tractor beams like a tugger. A ship with lots of 'pulling power' and a large drone bay (but few turret slots if any) might make an interesting ship type. ----------------------------- EVE Online perfectly strikes all your free time wrecking your 1994 marriage.
Tripp Orsam	Posted - 2004.10.22 20:54:00 - [36] I think a tractor beam would be awesome both for collecting cans and pulling low mass ships towards you like inties and frigs, would have to fit 2 or more to pull cruisers, and forget about pulling battleships in anything smaller than a battleship, unless they introduce ship specially desinged to specialize in tractor beams like a tugger. A ship with lots of 'pulling power' and a large drone bay (but few turret slots if any) might make an interesting ship type. ----------------------------- EVE Online perfectly strikes all your free time wrecking your 1994 marriage.
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.10.22 21:10:00 - [37] I want a bomberapoc with tractor beams that will suck all the frigs to their death
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.10.22 21:10:00 - [38] I want a bomberapoc with tractor beams that will suck all the frigs to their death
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2004.10.22 22:22:00 - [39] Originally by: GeorgeZ arent you guys tired of Star Trek already? E.E. "Doc" Smith, you infidel. Sheesh. Some kids these days, not reading OLD scifi... "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2004.10.22 22:22:00 - [40] Originally by: GeorgeZ arent you guys tired of Star Trek already? E.E. "Doc" Smith, you infidel. Sheesh. Some kids these days, not reading OLD scifi... "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
Nicodemous	Posted - 2004.10.23 04:00:00 - [41] Actually, a tractor beam might be useful for other things, particularly in pulling frigs and drones close enough for a goodly smacking with a smartbomb :-)
Nicodemous	Posted - 2004.10.23 04:00:00 - [42] Actually, a tractor beam might be useful for other things, particularly in pulling frigs and drones close enough for a goodly smacking with a smartbomb :-)
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.10.23 04:09:00 - [43] EVE Idea Lab Post: Complaints: Picking up Loot... - ...is a time sink, faster cargo pickup would make the game more enjoyable - ...takes longer than killing rats, not fun - ...from asteroid fields is tricky, hard to manuever in some ships - ...without an MWD can take 10+ minutes for long range combat types - ...over a 200-square km area takes alot of time - ...is tidious and boring - ...is annoying, especially when its useless stuff or when there are alot of cans - ...is not fun, its like playing connect the dots intead you have diamonds on your screen Complaints: - Default range of 1.5km for looking in a cargo is too short - Don't like the idea of having to put a MWD because its a mid-slot and shield/cap hit - Battleship with MWD is very limiting - Increasing intervals between rat spawn to give time to pickup loot would not be enjoyable - Don't spend time coding to fix this problem - Don't make picking up cargo too easy - Any high-slot solution will probably never be used - Spending 30 minutes picking up loot after 10 minutes of fighting is not fun - Funny how advanced the world of EVE is and there's no technology to pickup cargo - Don't have us beg for this new feature Recommended Drone types: - Salvage drones - drones that pick up cargo and drop into cargobay like what Mining Drones do with Ore - Cargo drones - drones that drag the cargo container towards you - Cargo Scanner drone - would move closer and provide cargo scan info Recommended for slotted items: - Cargo Transporters - teleports cargo into the ship's hold - Increase the range of Cargo scanners - Add a new module called "Cargo Manager" which would pick up loot automatically - Grappling hook (Minmatar approach) to grab cans Skill Recommendations: - Cargo Management: Increases the default 1.5km range of pickup/view - Cargo Management: Increases the range to to pick up by +20%/level (upto 100%, maximum 3km instead of 1.5km) - Salvage: Increases range to pickup/look by 2km per level (maximum at 11.5km) General recommendations: - Immediately keep the target on can after killing a rat - Add an icon on the cargo window to 'Scoop to Cargo' when opening a can - When you double click on a container it auto loads into your cargo - Increase range of pickup/view to from 1.5km to 3-5km - Allow mining drones to pick up cargo (since they already pick up ore) - Drop loot into 1 container, especially for missions - Forsaken Ruins story already refers to them - Add the option "Scoop to Cargo" on a cargo can - Have NPC only drop named loot, otherwise no loot at all - Have autopickup like Hack/NetHack - Add an option to automatically pickup loot within 1.5km of a container - Allow people to install a shuttle that they can remotely pilot to pickup cargo (especially in Battleships) - Auto scan containers within 30km, without a Cargo Scanner - Double clicking any can within 30km loots it into your cargo container - Have a built-in tractor beam Salvage drones suggestions: - Small drone, (600 m/s, drone size: 50m3, cargo size: 10-25m3) - Medium drone, (450 m/s, drone size: 100m3, cargo size: 25-50m3) - Large drone, (300 m/s, drone size: 250m3, cargo size: 100-125m3) - Positive: Ore thieves couldn't use since industrialials don't have drones - Range needs to be at least 40-50km - Negative: Industrials could not take advantage of this since they don't have drone bays - Salvage Drone Operation: Increases range/speed/or amount of cargo drones can pickup - If items can't be picked up by drone, a message pops up - Drone makes several trips back and forth until cargo is transfered - A FOF Salvage drone, picks up loot without having to target (Battleships can take upwards of a minute to target a can) - Don't require that ship have a lock to pick up cargo - Have these drones have built-in cargo containers so they can hold more than their size allows (whatever that expando technology is called) Tractor Beams suggestions: - Moves a cargo container towards you at 50-100 m/s (no target required) - OR moves cargo container towards you at 500 m/s (can use crystals to modify range/speed) - Upto 10 cans can be 'pulled' towards you at a time - Have a skill that increases range/effectiveness - Small Intensity Tractor Beam: High slot, transfer 10m3/sec at 15km range - Negative: Would require a new slotted item - Negative: Would be used by ore thieves - Negative: If its a high slot item it would probably not be used Transfer Beam suggestions: - Have a skill that increases range/effectiveness - Negative: Would require a new slotted item - Negative: If its a high slot item it would probably not be used
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.10.23 04:09:00 - [44] EVE Idea Lab Post: Complaints: Picking up Loot... - ...is a time sink, faster cargo pickup would make the game more enjoyable - ...takes longer than killing rats, not fun - ...from asteroid fields is tricky, hard to manuever in some ships - ...without an MWD can take 10+ minutes for long range combat types - ...over a 200-square km area takes alot of time - ...is tidious and boring - ...is annoying, especially when its useless stuff or when there are alot of cans - ...is not fun, its like playing connect the dots intead you have diamonds on your screen Complaints: - Default range of 1.5km for looking in a cargo is too short - Don't like the idea of having to put a MWD because its a mid-slot and shield/cap hit - Battleship with MWD is very limiting - Increasing intervals between rat spawn to give time to pickup loot would not be enjoyable - Don't spend time coding to fix this problem - Don't make picking up cargo too easy - Any high-slot solution will probably never be used - Spending 30 minutes picking up loot after 10 minutes of fighting is not fun - Funny how advanced the world of EVE is and there's no technology to pickup cargo - Don't have us beg for this new feature Recommended Drone types: - Salvage drones - drones that pick up cargo and drop into cargobay like what Mining Drones do with Ore - Cargo drones - drones that drag the cargo container towards you - Cargo Scanner drone - would move closer and provide cargo scan info Recommended for slotted items: - Cargo Transporters - teleports cargo into the ship's hold - Increase the range of Cargo scanners - Add a new module called "Cargo Manager" which would pick up loot automatically - Grappling hook (Minmatar approach) to grab cans Skill Recommendations: - Cargo Management: Increases the default 1.5km range of pickup/view - Cargo Management: Increases the range to to pick up by +20%/level (upto 100%, maximum 3km instead of 1.5km) - Salvage: Increases range to pickup/look by 2km per level (maximum at 11.5km) General recommendations: - Immediately keep the target on can after killing a rat - Add an icon on the cargo window to 'Scoop to Cargo' when opening a can - When you double click on a container it auto loads into your cargo - Increase range of pickup/view to from 1.5km to 3-5km - Allow mining drones to pick up cargo (since they already pick up ore) - Drop loot into 1 container, especially for missions - Forsaken Ruins story already refers to them - Add the option "Scoop to Cargo" on a cargo can - Have NPC only drop named loot, otherwise no loot at all - Have autopickup like Hack/NetHack - Add an option to automatically pickup loot within 1.5km of a container - Allow people to install a shuttle that they can remotely pilot to pickup cargo (especially in Battleships) - Auto scan containers within 30km, without a Cargo Scanner - Double clicking any can within 30km loots it into your cargo container - Have a built-in tractor beam Salvage drones suggestions: - Small drone, (600 m/s, drone size: 50m3, cargo size: 10-25m3) - Medium drone, (450 m/s, drone size: 100m3, cargo size: 25-50m3) - Large drone, (300 m/s, drone size: 250m3, cargo size: 100-125m3) - Positive: Ore thieves couldn't use since industrialials don't have drones - Range needs to be at least 40-50km - Negative: Industrials could not take advantage of this since they don't have drone bays - Salvage Drone Operation: Increases range/speed/or amount of cargo drones can pickup - If items can't be picked up by drone, a message pops up - Drone makes several trips back and forth until cargo is transfered - A FOF Salvage drone, picks up loot without having to target (Battleships can take upwards of a minute to target a can) - Don't require that ship have a lock to pick up cargo - Have these drones have built-in cargo containers so they can hold more than their size allows (whatever that expando technology is called) Tractor Beams suggestions: - Moves a cargo container towards you at 50-100 m/s (no target required) - OR moves cargo container towards you at 500 m/s (can use crystals to modify range/speed) - Upto 10 cans can be 'pulled' towards you at a time - Have a skill that increases range/effectiveness - Small Intensity Tractor Beam: High slot, transfer 10m3/sec at 15km range - Negative: Would require a new slotted item - Negative: Would be used by ore thieves - Negative: If its a high slot item it would probably not be used Transfer Beam suggestions: - Have a skill that increases range/effectiveness - Negative: Would require a new slotted item - Negative: If its a high slot item it would probably not be used
Tripp Orsam	Posted - 2004.10.23 05:55:00 - [45] hmm S'Daria are those all your ideas? sorry you didn't make it too clear at the start of your post, very interesting ideas i think. I particularly like the drones that go and loot, the 'minmatar grapler' and the long range cargo can scanning ones (the cans would have to be somehow flagged so that we know which ones have been scanned and which ones have not). To stop cans polluting space they could have thier timer reduced to 5 mins (before going poof) once they are scanned. ----------------------------- EVE Online perfectly strikes all your free time wrecking your 1994 marriage.
Tripp Orsam	Posted - 2004.10.23 05:55:00 - [46] hmm S'Daria are those all your ideas? sorry you didn't make it too clear at the start of your post, very interesting ideas i think. I particularly like the drones that go and loot, the 'minmatar grapler' and the long range cargo can scanning ones (the cans would have to be somehow flagged so that we know which ones have been scanned and which ones have not). To stop cans polluting space they could have thier timer reduced to 5 mins (before going poof) once they are scanned. ----------------------------- EVE Online perfectly strikes all your free time wrecking your 1994 marriage.
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.10.23 07:31:00 - [47] Not all are my ideas. In the thread that I have the link to it summariezes 5 pages of posts from the community. I had to remove the first paragraph in the above link because the post was too long.
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.10.23 07:31:00 - [48] Not all are my ideas. In the thread that I have the link to it summariezes 5 pages of posts from the community. I had to remove the first paragraph in the above link because the post was too long.

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