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General Newbold
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Posted - 2009.09.10 12:56:00 -
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Here it is, The post ive been planning for a while
Im colour blind, when i started playing i didnt really effect my "eve life" too much, as i have never really sat and thought about it too heavily up until the other week.
A while ago, I enjoyed scanning, to the extent that i did it as a daily occurance and i can fairly say that I enjoyed it, Then the scanning mechanics changed and for some reason i didnt get along with the new "system/interface" so i stopped (yes harsh i know)
Well last week i started scanning again, and a few days after i was scanning while a friend was with me. This is where i realised how much i struggled with it. I never realised before but I have to scan in quite some way, before i can spot the "red sphere", which isnt really a problem as im used to it. The problem came when i got down to a little dot.
Now this might just be me doing something wrong and if i genuinely am doing something wrong, i apologise but i genuinely have problems finding the little dot if im zoomed even slightly out (if the scan isnt too accurate), when i do find it - the only way i can keep it in plain site, is when i have a probe over it....Does anyone else have this problem? (if the spot is off the plain - ie higher or lower than default I have no hope)
Also a small problem I noticed, is all the "color" types for people in the overview - being colour blind i cant tell you what colours they are, but this really became a problem when my corp was at war... I was having to check the corp of every person in the overview other than nuets, Is there a way i can change this colour scheme? (i know i can make it so just war targets are displayed - and this is a temp solution, but at times it can be a pain)
Another classic for me is drone damage - To see my drone health levels - i have to scroll the display to show the drone meters against a white "cloud" background or i cant see when my drones are taking damage
I also noticed about 20 minutes ago that if my cap is low, against a certain background i cant see the levels at all on the "cap charty display thing" - i beleive i can display this as a number (same as shields etc) so this isnt a problem
Have any other colour blind players got any problems?
Can anyone suggest a fix for this or any other problems I might have (and just be unware of!)
Also i need to point out that this isnt a "rant" or me going "emoinsane" its a genuine question that I would like to know if anyone else has problems with, or if anyone has any ideas for making it easier for me, so ideally if you just want to take the p!ss, im really not interested - and i dont think anyone else would be
Thanks for your time
The General!
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knifee
Caldari
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2009.09.10 13:02:00 -
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I have great difficulty seeing red on black, which means that I struggle to see NPCs brackets either in space or on the overview as well as the red glow of an active module.
Tbh though people have been making threads like this for 6years now so I wouldn't get your hopes up.
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General Newbold
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Posted - 2009.09.10 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: General Newbold on 10/09/2009 13:07:12
to be honest, i dont want anything changing, because i know that is highly unreasonable. I just wondered thats all
(although i have done a search now, and noticed a few old threads)
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Hakaru Song
Captured Souls Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.10 13:10:00 -
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 Originally by: General Newbold
The problem came when i got down to a little dot.
Now this might just be me doing something wrong and if i genuinely am doing something wrong, i apologise but i genuinely have problems finding the little dot if im zoomed even slightly out (if the scan isnt too accurate), when i do find it - the only way i can keep it in plain site, is when i have a probe over it....Does anyone else have this problem? (if the spot is off the plain - ie higher or lower than default I have no hope)
I have normal color vision and if there isn't a probe sitting over the hit. (pretty much any color but the yellow). Its darn hard to see it.
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Rogue Operative
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Posted - 2009.09.10 13:10:00 -
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That sucks man, Youd think by now they would have added a button that changed it to grayscale. Maybe a dev will see this and youll get lucky
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Robdon
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Posted - 2009.09.10 13:13:00 -
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Hi,
I'm not colour blind, but the 'new' scanning 'colours' are terrible to look at.
The dark colour of the arrows are nearly impossible to see in some dark systems, and also when the probe goes into the 'shadow' it completely disappears.
Then in the last patch, they added lots of weird circles for the intersection of the probes, which just makes it look even worse, and I cant really see any use to them.
Its also hard to sometimes see the flashing green colour of the module activation.
They really need to look into scanning IMO more, and start using lighter colours for the probe arrows, or something else, so they are easier to see.
Also, they still haven't fixed the fact that the probes start jumping all over the place when you try to move them from left/right sometimes :(
Rob.
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DrifterGHost
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Posted - 2009.09.10 13:13:00 -
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Well the only change that might work for everyone is a hud color contorl option this would allow you to choose a custum color option one in wich would only affect what you see. games have had hud color otions for a long time and being as many ppl who have color deficiencies this could be ground beaking for eve allowing more playes to enjoy the game the same as all the player who have no problems enjoy the game. this is the only option i could think would make a diffrence :)
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.09.10 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: General Newbold
Also a small problem I noticed, is all the "color" types for people in the overview - being colour blind i cant tell you what colours they are, but this really became a problem when my corp was at war... I was having to check the corp of every person in the overview other than nuets, Is there a way i can change this colour scheme? (i know i can make it so just war targets are displayed - and this is a temp solution, but at times it can be a pain)
Another classic for me is drone damage - To see my drone health levels - i have to scroll the display to show the drone meters against a white "cloud" background or i cant see when my drones are taking damage
I also noticed about 20 minutes ago that if my cap is low, against a certain background i cant see the levels at all on the "cap charty display thing" - i beleive i can display this as a number (same as shields etc) so this isnt a problem
First off, go to the display setting and select "widescreen", that will give you ablack bar at the top and bottom making it much easier to read the HUD.
You can change the colour for war targets, just right click on the triangle at the top left corner of your overview and select settings, under there you will find a tab for background colours.
I'm not sure how you fail to see red bars on a black background (for drones) unless you have made the drone window transparent by pinning it. Still this migth be fixed by the first step above.
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Sleepkevert
Amarr
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.09.10 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: General Newbold
Also a small problem I noticed, is all the "color" types for people in the overview - being colour blind i cant tell you what colours they are, but this really became a problem when my corp was at war... I was having to check the corp of every person in the overview other than nuets, Is there a way i can change this colour scheme? (i know i can make it so just war targets are displayed - and this is a temp solution, but at times it can be a pain)
The overview colors are highly costumizable. You can even go so far to assign every "color" an mini icon next to the ship icon (like the green corp star and the blue alliance star, and the + and - signs) You can change the color of that icon as well as the background color, and make it blinky or not blinky. There might be some way to make the overview more usable for you using those tools
You can access the overview settings by rightclicking the ">" on the top left corner of your overview tab.
Originally by: General Newbold
Another classic for me is drone damage - To see my drone health levels - i have to scroll the display to show the drone meters against a white "cloud" background or i cant see when my drones are taking damage
What you can try for this is changing the UI color in total, making it bright or dark to suit your needs. These settings are in the escape menu and you have 4 different UI area's you can adjust I think.
I can imagine color blind people having issues with EVE though. It only seems only yesterday that CCP introduced the skill requirement lists, and that you could distinguish the requirements you met trough the color of a square. And only the color of a square. This obiously caused an outrage with the colorblind people and it was changed to the cross, circle and check we have now. Seems that the same is required in some form with the scanning circles. Although you can distinguish the red / yellow / green dots trough the scanner strength list as well.
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Lung Lee
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Posted - 2009.09.10 13:42:00 -
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I am not colorblind yet i have great difficulties at time seeing or properly grabbing the scanner arrow icons under certain system background colors.
The other day i was in a WH which had a reddish-black background, and it was extremely difficult for me to distinguish my own probes or the movement arrows of the probes.
In a related note, the very faint pastell color greenish halo around activated modules becomes very difficult to see against bright backgrounds (suns, clouds, etc), which are quite common in EVE. The relatively new way of having a white circle clock around the activated modules showing their activation time does help a bit, but just a bit.
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2009.09.10 13:51:00 -
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The scanning interface already has some issues for those with normal sight as well, let alone when you are colourblind.
Originally by: General Newbold
Now this might just be me doing something wrong and if i genuinely am doing something wrong, i apologise but i genuinely have problems finding the little dot if im zoomed even slightly out (if the scan isnt too accurate), when i do find it - the only way i can keep it in plain site, is when i have a probe over it....Does anyone else have this problem? (if the spot is off the plain - ie higher or lower than default I have no hope)
A scanned dot dims when probe spheres are moved to the point that there is not one covering it anymore. They dim quite agressively - they are very hard to find again with normal sight. Might this be the case with you?
With experience with the new system, this rarely happens to me anymore, if this is (part of) your problem, try to learn to move your probes less radically in the 'chasing dots' stage of a scan.
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Also a small problem I noticed, is all the "color" types for people in the overview - being colour blind i cant tell you what colours they are, but this really became a problem when my corp was at war... I was having to check the corp of every person in the overview other than nuets, Is there a way i can change this colour scheme? (i know i can make it so just war targets are displayed - and this is a temp solution, but at times it can be a pain)
Barring changes that could be made to the game - you might be able to work with contrast? Your options to display various states might be severely limited compared to using colours but try for instance a white blinking background for war targets.
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Another classic for me is drone damage - To see my drone health levels - i have to scroll the display to show the drone meters against a white "cloud" background or i cant see when my drones are taking damage
Another makeshift contrast suggestion: make a 300x300 (or whatever) pixel white picture, host it some place, turn your ingame browser towards it, make its window to size and put it behind your drone window.
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I also noticed about 20 minutes ago that if my cap is low, against a certain background i cant see the levels at all on the "cap charty display thing" - i beleive i can display this as a number (same as shields etc) so this isnt a problem
You're not the only one, some of these wonderful nebulae make it impossible to make out your ship interface no matter how good your eyes are...
Mouse over gives cap info in a caption tho.
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Mr Xanatos
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Posted - 2009.09.10 13:59:00 -
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I work in the pharma industry which has a lot of user interfaces for plant operations. Our main GUI has an option where people who have trouble with certain colours can adjust their interface to suit their eye sight colour needs.So instead of a flashy red alarm they get a flashy something else colour which they know is equivalent to the flashy red that non colour blind people see.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.09.10 14:02:00 -
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Buy T2 eyes General
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wenxiu
Gallente
3M Institute
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.10 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: wenxiu on 10/09/2009 14:12:22
Its been over a year since CCP changed the way the mods show when they are activated (green glow). I never had a problem with the old way of doing it until they "improved" it.
Now, I have to rotate the ship around to double check that my hardeners are activated or its possible that I've got a bunch of them switched off in a mission or in a fight. The green glow now is a weaker semi-transparent one and that makes it hard to distinguish against clouds and other things in space.
I would love to have an option to lay a semi-transparent but darker background layer behind the mods' HUD that would help those of us with colour discrimination problems to better resolve.
Drone damage is also hard to monitor so I tend to lose drones.
I am partial red-green blind. I guess the workaround is to set it to wide screen mode but that black band across the screen at the bottom is annoying.
Bear in mind that red-green blindness is only one of the combinations and if you fix it for those who are red-green blind, you still need to cater to the blue-yellow (?) and also those who are totally colour blind (do they see greyscale only?).
So being able to customize those settings would be good. None of this would be an issue if the overview, HUD and everything we see in space is so colour dependent to begin with.
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Grez
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.09.10 14:11:00 -
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I r colour-blind.
I too, feel your pain.
Worst part is not being able to see what % of shield/armour/hull someone's on because the health bars are stupidly hard to see sometimes.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.10 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: General Newbold
Here it is, The post ive been planning for a while
Im colour blind, when i started playing i didnt really effect my "eve life" too much, as i have never really sat and thought about it too heavily up until the other week.
A while ago, I enjoyed scanning, to the extent that i did it as a daily occurance and i can fairly say that I enjoyed it, Then the scanning mechanics changed and for some reason i didnt get along with the new "system/interface" so i stopped (yes harsh i know)
Well last week i started scanning again, and a few days after i was scanning while a friend was with me. This is where i realised how much i struggled with it. I never realised before but I have to scan in quite some way, before i can spot the "red sphere", which isnt really a problem as im used to it. The problem came when i got down to a little dot.
Now this might just be me doing something wrong and if i genuinely am doing something wrong, i apologise but i genuinely have problems finding the little dot if im zoomed even slightly out (if the scan isnt too accurate), when i do find it - the only way i can keep it in plain site, is when i have a probe over it....Does anyone else have this problem? (if the spot is off the plain - ie higher or lower than default I have no hope)
Also a small problem I noticed, is all the "color" types for people in the overview - being colour blind i cant tell you what colours they are, but this really became a problem when my corp was at war... I was having to check the corp of every person in the overview other than nuets, Is there a way i can change this colour scheme? (i know i can make it so just war targets are displayed - and this is a temp solution, but at times it can be a pain)
Another classic for me is drone damage - To see my drone health levels - i have to scroll the display to show the drone meters against a white "cloud" background or i cant see when my drones are taking damage
I also noticed about 20 minutes ago that if my cap is low, against a certain background i cant see the levels at all on the "cap charty display thing" - i beleive i can display this as a number (same as shields etc) so this isnt a problem
Have any other colour blind players got any problems?
Can anyone suggest a fix for this or any other problems I might have (and just be unware of!)
Also i need to point out that this isnt a "rant" or me going "emoinsane" its a genuine question that I would like to know if anyone else has problems with, or if anyone has any ideas for making it easier for me, so ideally if you just want to take the p!ss, im really not interested - and i dont think anyone else would be
Thanks for your time
The General!
For war: make the backgorund blink ;) also loog at the small stars.
As for the samll not, it is nigh invisible after it is outside probe radius, not jsut you who is annoyed about this (am got normal vision) ;)
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.09.10 14:30:00 -
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Im color blind too. I have red receptors and not green ones(missing eityher red receptors or green receptors is what occurs with 99% of color blind people.)
I wish the game would give you the option to modify more colors in the inteface etc.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Mad Axe
Caldari
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.09.10 14:53:00 -
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There are a couple of things you can do to help you out.
Probing:
You are doing it wrong slightly. It indeed is hard to see a dot if a probe isn't on it and sometimes it does not show. What you can do is lets say you want to go from 8 AU to 4 AU, you set all the probes but one to 4 AU and position them correctly and once this is done you set your 8AU probe to 4AU and hit scan. You will always keep the dot in your sight this way.
Overview:
There are alot of things to set up here to make it better, honestly you really don't need all the junk information.
Open your overview settings then go to Filters-->States.
Uncheck: Pilot has High, Good standing and Pilot is in your Corporation, Fleet, Alliance.
This states wont show on your overview at all any more. Now for the second step;
Appearance-->Color Tag
Uncheck: Pilot has a bounty on him, neutral Standing, below 0 standing. Now depending on what kind of an player you are you can unckeck other things as well, like bad and horrible standing (with your corp/alliance).
What you want to do here is tell your overview to only add an special icon for war targets or anything else.
You can also experiment with background color to give you a contrast background on what interests you.
UI:
If you hit escape and go to general settings you can configure your UI there, how transparent it is, color etc.
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Lord Windu
Echelon Warfare Unit
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Posted - 2009.09.10 14:54:00 -
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I too am colour blind, I find that I can't see colours that fall in the ultraviolet or infra-red part of the electromagnetic spectrum.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2009.09.10 15:01:00 -
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I am not colour blind or contrast impaired, though some are, and I find things still a bit muddy at times. It would be nice if we could turn down the brightness of stars. If you we could turn off, dim or other wise change the basic palette of the backgrounds.
The "ooo pretty" goes away pretty quick and desire for functionally takes over. CCP you could win a Nobel prize for being an Eye friendly MMO! Well, maybe not but still ...
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Lillian Blu
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.09.10 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: wenxiu
Edited by: wenxiu on 10/09/2009 14:12:22
Its been over a year since CCP changed the way the mods show when they are activated (green glow). I never had a problem with the old way of doing it until they "improved" it.
Now, I have to rotate the ship around to double check that my hardeners are activated or its possible that I've got a bunch of them switched off in a mission or in a fight. The green glow now is a weaker semi-transparent one and that makes it hard to distinguish against clouds and other things in space.
I would love to have an option to lay a semi-transparent but darker background layer behind the mods' HUD that would help those of us with colour discrimination problems to better resolve.
Drone damage is also hard to monitor so I tend to lose drones.
I am partial red-green blind. I guess the workaround is to set it to wide screen mode but that black band across the screen at the bottom is annoying.
Bear in mind that red-green blindness is only one of the combinations and if you fix it for those who are red-green blind, you still need to cater to the blue-yellow (?) and also those who are totally colour blind (do they see greyscale only?).
So being able to customize those settings would be good. None of this would be an issue if the overview, HUD and everything we see in space is so colour dependent to begin with.
This.
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Nicholas Barker
Black Nova Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.10 15:10:00 -
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If you can have perfectly able blind pod pilots, i think colour blind won't be a problem. Stop moaning.
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armas
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.10 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: knifee
I have great difficulty seeing red on black,
Same here, red on black or on dark grey. It appears very blurry. I don't have the problem with any other colour combinations. Always wondered if it was some form of colour blindness, which I haven't been diagnosed with but then I've never asked about it.
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.09.10 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Arec Bardwin on 10/09/2009 15:25:03
Originally by: Lord Windu
I too am colour blind, I find that I can't see colours that fall in the ultraviolet or infra-red part of the electromagnetic spectrum.
Never thought I'd see a colour blind goldfish playing Eve Online. Good luck with that.
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Kalius Prime
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.09.10 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Kalius Prime on 10/09/2009 15:26:12
Originally by: General Newbold
Edited by: General Newbold on 10/09/2009 13:07:12
to be honest, i dont want anything changing, because i know that is highly unreasonable. I just wondered thats all
(although i have done a search now, and noticed a few old threads)
Hello,
In my opinion it is not unreasonable at all to request changes. Due to your extremely minor disability you are unable to take advantage of certain game features.
This would be very easy to fix, by allowing user control over icon and HUD colors.
EDIT: The HUD is in serious need of improvement. Take a look at this thread I made a few weeks ago:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&page=1&threadID=1169009#1
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Weazy Z
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.09.10 16:42:00 -
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Edited by: Weazy Z on 10/09/2009 16:46:44
U know there's like 45 different types of colorblindness. Im not trying to call you a liar, but what your describing is monochromacy or achromatopsia which occurs in 1/50k people (ie not being able to see any colors) Quote:
colour blind i cant tell you what colours they are,
Colorblindness as a colloquial term is used to describe the various inabilities to differentiate (di or trichromacy) blended colors, or to see colors incorrectly. If u have this, it should barely impare your ability to play. If you have acromatopsia, ur a freak of nature and would probably have larger issues than whether or not u can play eve.
Although i can firmly state that i think you are, infact, suffering from some sort of brain death, you shouldn't infer that ccp should make changes to its ui due to your ignorance of a disease you claim to have.
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.09.10 17:19:00 -
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My color vision impairment is fairly modest, but I have all the problems mentioned above to one or another degree. Most of them I can cope with.
But there's one other "interface feature" that is totally broken for me. And that's the navigation lights on secure containers in space.
Before the containers got new models, they had different colored nav lights depending on whether or not they were anchored. I'm told they were red and green, but to me they were just "bright" (green) and "dim" (red). Thus you could warp into a belt and see fairly fast if there were any drifting containers.
Since the new models came out, I'm unable to see any difference between an anchored or unanchored can. I suppose it's possible that this feature just went away, but I am assuming that the color difference is more subtle (thus invisible to me).
There is *no* other way in the interface to detect whether a can is anchored or not (short of flying up to it and trying to scoop it).
A modest thing, but for an inveterate salvager/scavenger like myself, very frustrating.
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Suneai
Gallente
Jovian Labs
Jovian Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.09.10 17:30:00 -
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My friend is quite harshly colour-blind, he used to only be able to do the odd little bit.
After getting hold of a monitor that allowed him to adjust the screen colours quite drastically, he's set it up tohave a sort of colour tint that makes most things have a bit of that colour added.
I think he spent about 8+ hours fiddling with the settings to get it right, but since he's been doing pretty well on EVE.
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Feilamya
Pelennor Swarm
THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.09.10 17:46:00 -
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I was tackled by a color blind inty pilot recently. After he realized I was blue, I told him about the overview changes made 2 patches ago, and he fixed his settings.
I was also color blind for a few days, then I realized that you can prioritize color tags, and CCP had messed with the priorities.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2009.09.10 19:20:00 -
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I am colorblind as well (red/green). When I first started playing Eve, I found several threads (with offician blue bars) about how CCP was going to release a UI update that would address a lot of my issues. That was almost three years ago. Still waiting. 
What would help me would be to have a darker alpha-background around the ship status / module area. It would be much easier to see the status of modules against bright backgrounds (the activation ring is hard to see, and the glowy-green that I have been told exists doesn't help me much at all).
Scanning is annoying because the scan hits are nearly invisible unless your probe encompasses them. It would be great to have some customizable colors here, depending on the status of the dot/ring and if it is in the radius of a probe.
Anyways... You're not alone, not by a long shot. Just don't expect it to get fixed, ever. 
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