Originally by: Komatose

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Originally by: Psyflame

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Originally by: Ophichius

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I must say I am a bit baffled by the change to the Ashimmu proposal.

While the Phantasm vs Ashimmu debate has been raging, people forgot that though the Phantasm has only 7.5 effective turrets to the Ashimmu's 8, the Phantasm is capable of fitting a full tank and three damage mods. Fitting three damage mods on the 5 low slot, armor-tanking Ashimmu will leave you with little better than a passive buffer tank and a prayer to get you through the fight.

The 4-turret Ashimmu, fitted for passive plate and gank, will reach ~29k EHP with 3x Trimarks.
(4x HPL II, 2x meta4 med neuts / Y-T8 MWD, 2x meta4 Web, Warp Disruptor II / 3x Heatsink II, 1600mm RRT, DCU II / 3x Trimark I)
Max-skilled damage output with Scorch M: 440 DPS
Max velocity: 1085m/s

Compare to the Phantasm, which can reach ~50k EHP.
(3x HPL II, 2x meta4 small neuts <double as offline heatsinks> / Y-T8 MWD, 2x LSE II, 2x Invuln II, Warp Disruptor II / 3x Heatsink II / 3x Core Defense Field Extender I)
Max-skilled damage output with Scorch M and 3x Hobgoblin II: 470 DPS
Max velocity: 1521m/s

The Phantasm has 66% more EHP, 10% more DPS, and 40% more speed than the 4-turret Ashimmu.

Fitted for a buffer tank, the Ashimmu can reach ~50k EHP
(4x HPL II, 2x meta4 neuts / Y-T8 MWD, 2x meta4 Web, Warp Disruptor II / 1600mm RRT, 3x EANM II, DCU II / 3x Trimark I)
Max-skilled damage output with Scorch M: 264 DPS

The Phantasm has the same EHP, 78% more DPS, and 40% more speed than the 4-turret Ashimmu.

Just for the sake of completion: Active-tanked Ashimmu has ~16k EHP
(4x HPL II, 2x meta4 neut / Y-T8 MWD, meta4 Web, Warp Disruptor II, Medium Cap Injector II / 2x MAR II, 3x EANM II / 3x Auxiliary Nano Pump I)
Max-skilled active tank: 295 DPS
Has to tank for 115 seconds to be equivalent to a 50k EHP passive fit.
Max velocity: 1241m/s

The Phantasm has 212% more EHP, 81% less regen/rep rate, 78% more DPS, and 23% more speed.

Now compare the 3-turret Ashimmu:

3x HPL II + 3x Heatsinks + Hobgoblin II: 370 DPS (Phantasm: 27% more DPS)
3x HPL II + 3x Hobgoblin II: 238 DPS (Phantasm: 97% more DPS)

By removing a turret, you make the Ashimmu a vastly inferior damage dealer, with a worse tank, and worse maneuverability.

CCP Ytterbium, please at least help us make sense of why you believe the Ashimmu needs to lose a turret. Any explanation of the thinking behind the ship changes in general would be appreciated, and will help us focus our suggestions and allay our fears.

-O

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+1

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+1
/signed
/whatever

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