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RedSplat	Posted - 2009.09.12 18:32:00 - [1] Edited by: RedSplat on 12/09/2009 18:37:07 Some Dev must own several hundred Gilas! Rattler is now the ultimate care bear boat. If you want to improve it, change the Pirate Bonus to a mixed explosion velocity and sig radius factor bonus and undo some of the missile nerf for that ship. Dont give it a torp damage increase for christs sake, 5 Bonus'd heavy drones and a tank like that with the jump in damage output would be seriously op (like the Gila) Machariel probably needs a serious increase in agility and speed/decreased Hull mass if you don't want to give it an 8th turret. Keep the falloff Bonus, Minmatar really need it thanks to the **ty hit degradation in falloff that needs tweaking. Vindicator: 7.5% tracking when you already have a web strength bonus? Seems really off to me, its not like you have trouble hitting things with Electrons and a 7.5% tracking bonus. LOVE the New Ashimmu, one hell of a change from its previous state. Leave the Phantasm alone :( Not sure about the Bhaalgorn. Originally by:** Endless Subversion I really, really think reintroducing 90% webs on like 5 ships isn't a good idea. Otherwise it's nice to see some really cool changes That i don't mind- you aren't going to see many of them around and prices will probably stabilize around 40 mil for the frigates alone. HOWEVER, CCP just made the Hyena redundant. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
RedSplat	Posted - 2009.09.12 18:39:00 - [2] Edited by: RedSplat on 12/09/2009 18:40:15 Originally by: Harotak Oh wow, a whole 1k dps. That extra eHP just means you get a couple more minutes for your multi billion isk loss to sink in before it explodes because you cant kill the people killing you first. The only people using these BS will be either Missionrunners or people fighting off station or gate in Empire. You know this is the likely scenario. Originally by: Manu Hermanus No I'm guessing some csm guy owns about several hundred gilas I cant discuss the nature of his transgressions here but i think you will find that is not the case if you start digging where CCP cant censor and ban people discussing Larks naughty acts. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
RedSplat	Posted - 2009.09.12 18:47:00 - [3] Edited by: RedSplat on 12/09/2009 18:47:06 Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin Just one question - who in their right mind figured it'd be a good idea to give a Gila a bigger drone bay than a Dominix (or equivalent to a Navy Domi IIRC), and why aren't they boosting ships like the Navy Vexor, Myrmidon, and Dominix with Drone Bays of the Gods? Comparing it to the Myrmidon its pretty farcical imo; esp considering the moronic bandwidth of the Myrm. Oh and also, Why is it, AGAIN, Minmatar have the least promising ships? Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
RedSplat	Posted - 2009.09.12 19:31:00 - [4] Edited by: RedSplat on 12/09/2009 19:32:40 Those of you asking for a trop damage bonus on the rattler... What bonus should it replace? Or should it be the Pirate bonus? I understand the complaints about 4 effective torps, but Drone bonus, Torp damage bonus and Resists makes for an OP hull. Would you lose the resists for a 5% Damage or Rof bonus? Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Yeah, the Navy Vexor is kinda gimped with only 100m3 bay/band. Since CCP is having a TON of fun with these ships, I think the Navy Vexor should have 150m3 bandwidth and 15 controlled drones with no damage bonuses to anything except standard gun damage bonus. 15 unbonused medium drones + 5 turrets = neat. CCP don't like increasing the numbers of drones on the field as they are supposedly lag magnets. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
RedSplat	Posted - 2009.09.12 19:54:00 - [5] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Liang wanted to change pirate 50% velocity bonus. OP you say? I'd rather see that changed to an explosion velocity bonus and a 5% damage Bonus to Torps (Not ROF) Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
RedSplat	Posted - 2009.09.13 13:24:00 - [6] Edited by: RedSplat on 13/09/2009 13:24:29 Originally by: Gypsio III Bloody hell this thread is full of ~~idiots~~ people that don't shoot at anything other than rats. Liang, you have much more patience than I have. Fixed. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
RedSplat	Posted - 2009.09.13 17:43:00 - [7] Edited by: RedSplat on 13/09/2009 17:43:44 Originally by: Soporo a complete waste in missions? Stop talking about missions in relation to balancing ships. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
RedSplat	Posted - 2009.09.14 21:59:00 - [8] Originally by: Dursun Idris Am i the only person that thinks machariel should be a shield tank? As it is now i would never fly it. Shield tank, with appropriate slot changes? Then i might Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
RedSplat	Posted - 2009.09.15 18:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Abrazzar Hmm... got a idea for the Serpentis: Instead of the webifier bonus, give them +20% heat bonus per level. Might increase heat damage, too. This would fit to Serpentis being drug lords, having "Ships on Drugs" burning twice as strong but twice as fast. Also, give them a bonus to smuggling and/or a bonus to reduce the chance of booster negative effects. ...Thats a very cool idea Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
RedSplat	Posted - 2009.09.15 18:53:00 - [10] Originally by: K'racker Rattlesnake -50% missile damage compared to current ship in case you didn't notice. you would make it a split weapons ship i thought we all agreed those kind of suck. Split weapons suck when you have your highs split; typhoon bellicose and cyclone etc... Split weapons in the case of ships like the Domi, well they rock. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.

RedSplat	Posted - 2009.09.15 20:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Azuse For the record, with afew rigs the mach will reach just over 68km falloff, plus whatever optimal, making it perfect for 30km combat (rf disruptor range). Also makes the vargur look like a bad joke. Sorry, Large Scorch is still better thanks to falloff and hit degredation. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
RedSplat	Posted - 2009.09.17 21:23:00 - [12] I've been Testing the Ashimmu- and its powerful, very powerful. 8 EFF guns, enough grid to fit them and a good tank, combined with excellent tackle. It completely blows every other faction cruiser out of the water and may well give the Gila a run for its money. Needless to say, if you have Amarr frig 5 and Minnny frig 4 there is no reason to fly the Zealot unless you snipe fit anymore. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
RedSplat	Posted - 2009.09.17 23:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Just got on to test out the new Ashimmu. With 4 Medium Neutralizers in the highs: Caps out self in about 60 seconds with all level 5 skills, has to run on cap booster 800s to continue 4 neuts. With a 12s cycle time, this makes keeping ships capped out difficult. With 4 neuts you get an effective 3s cycle time, but with small neuts you would get an effective 1.5s cycle time (half). A bonused neut throws out 240-some cap killing, so you still take down about 1000 cap per volley from targets. But your cap is dying too. With only 5 lowlots, it makes an active tank a viable option, but not with this kind of cap usage. So you're going to be stuck with plating it up. But you can't fit a respectable plate tank to a 400 million isk cruiser without at LEAST 25k armor, and the only way you'll get that is with 2 1600s. So that leaves you with little grid to fit any lasers at all (which in my opinion would be okay, it's a neut boat after all not a dps boat) but then you don't get some of the synergy from using all three awesome bonuses. SO What does that leave me with? Let us use small neuts on the Ashimmu. Let us use small and medium neuts on the Bhaalgorn. Why should these ships be the only ships restricted on what tech they can use? >:( Don't try and Max out use of every bonus on the hull. It has 3 separate, very useful boni- but not enough slots to use ALL of the at once. And don't expect a cruiser to do EVERYTHING just because it costs a lot- this may be a difficult concept for you given your rep of hurling isk at problems and expecting them to go away Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
RedSplat	Posted - 2009.09.18 12:47:00 - [14] Edited by: RedSplat on 18/09/2009 12:51:16 All of you that want the falloff bonus on the mach replaced with tracking are i think making a mistake. The Mach does not tank or gank particularly well. It is however about as agile as a BC, by design. If you try an slug it out point blank odds are you will lose it- hell, I'd be confident of curbstomping a Mach at 0 with most t1 BS. Warp Scramblers make getting within 15 km something you don't want to do. The Falloff Bonus means you can Kite an opponent and still do good damage. The Tracking Bonus is useless here- if you are aiming to be fighting at 20+ km from a target in faction Disruptor range. Quote: Daredevil is making me wonder. I like the dps boost, and while I am wondering how useful an extra 1800 meters falloff is going to be with blasters, I still think it should keep the MWD bonus and trade tracking out for the webber one. Maybe drop the damage bonus to 175% then or something, I don't know. I'm flying one on SISI with Dual 150mm II rails with a Coreli C Type MWD. It works. With Blaster its something of a DPS monster for a Frig and the falloff bonus is v. useful when orbiting other blaster boats. The Web bonus is entirely necessary and extremely deadly on this frig. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
RedSplat	Posted - 2009.09.19 13:03:00 - [15] Originally by: Bellum Eternus I went through quite a few different Bhaalgorn setups and the performance varied wildly, but once I found a setup that I liked, OMG is it BRUTAL. It will just absolutely crush 99% of all ships out there. Stuff like fully passive Rattlesnakes are some of the only ships in all of Eve that can stand up to it. If i spot you on SISI I'll throw a heavy buffer Navy Phoon at it, I'm thinking if it turns into a pure race to put DPS down against a cap less weaponsystem the Bhallgorn loses some of its advantages; 8 eff Megapulses aside . Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.

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