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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.09.12 06:41:00 -
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guys?
why does the vindicator have so many hull points?
O_o;;;
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:03:00 -
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theres no issue with the webs.
These are PIRATE FACTION SHIPS. They aren't supposed to play nice. People are just annoyed that they cant kill them as easily now. These changes are great, they give these ships back their "oh ****" factor.
The only change i could see would be giving the rattlesnake a damage bonus as opposed to a range bonus. but other than that this is great. Why would you care if they out perform mauraders? those things are almost solely PvE considering you can jam them by aiming a strobe light at them >_>;;
it's not like now you're going to see a mass amount of Vindicators and Bhaalgorns floating around causing mayhem. At least now, they are actually worth the price tag placed on them.
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Stealthbug on 12/09/2009 16:25:38
Buff Rattlesnake's torpedo RoF.
Problem solved.
Are they trying to make it into a missile and drone sniper?
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:37:00 -
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 Originally by: FraXy
[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake mk. II]
Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Pith A-Type Photon Scattering Field
Domination Warp Disruptor
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
True Sansha Heavy Energy Neutralizer
True Sansha Heavy Energy Neutralizer
Large Core Defence Field Extender II
Large Core Defence Field Extender II
Large Core Defence Field Extender II
L5 Character:
501 DPS from 4x Siege II w/CN Ammo
475 DPS from 5x Ogre II
-1200 cap from 2x True Sansha Heavy Neut
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976 DPS using no cap.
680 Cpu used
10872 Grid used
Siege Warfare 5 gang:
47152 Shield
1570 Shield Recharge
266k Average EHP
337k Average EHP [Overloaded]
This is not taking into account 25% Shield Resist bonus and having a spare mid slot for more tank, propulsion, web, injector, booster, ECCM, SB, TP, cargo scanner...
With the Resist bonus and fielding a full 7 slot tank the Rattlesnake will be fielding well over 500k EHP while having ability to dish out over 1k DPS.
Damn i wish i owned a Rattler... Looks nice as well. 
perhaps i was wrong about the rattlesnake being subpar
assuming your math is right O_o
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider
Originally by: Stealthbug
theres no issue with the webs.
These are PIRATE FACTION SHIPS. They aren't supposed to play nice. People are just annoyed that they cant kill them as easily now. These changes are great, they give these ships back their "oh ****" factor.
The only change i could see would be giving the rattlesnake a damage bonus as opposed to a range bonus. but other than that this is great. Why would you care if they out perform mauraders? those things are almost solely PvE considering you can jam them by aiming a strobe light at them >_>;;
it's not like now you're going to see a mass amount of Vindicators and Bhaalgorns floating around causing mayhem. At least now, they are actually worth the price tag placed on them.
http://www.a-kills.com/related.php?id=274390
sry but i don't do well with "maybe sometime in the distant future" and especially not "ah they're expensive, they'll never get used". do not underestimate the power dyspro moons, GTC selling, corp/alliances thefts, scamming, jita market manipulation etc.
remember when (super) capitals were big, expensive ships only very few, very dedicated alliance would field...?
and as i said; it doesnt have to be a gang of those webbers; one guy with 2 of those webbers will be sufficient for the whole gang to not fit regular webs or warp scramblers. in fact, you don't want to for the off-chance he lights up his christmas tree MWD -.-
so what? you want these ships to have no clear shot advantage over their counterparts that makes them worth the price? you nerf that web bonus, and you're going to get a relatively powerful ship with 8 neutron blasters that cant even hit you. need i remind you they removed the MWD cap bonus?
The fact of the matter is, if someone is fielding multibillion ISK ships, they probably dont want it to be a ship that 3 people can just gang up on and destroy. As i said, these are pirate ships. They're supposed to be incredibly powerful.
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.09.12 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Stealthbug on 12/09/2009 17:11:06
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
Originally by: Stealthbug
The fact of the matter is, if someone is fielding multibillion ISK ships, they probably dont want it to be a ship that 3 people can just gang up on and destroy. As i said, these are pirate ships. They're supposed to be incredibly powerful.
that's your only argument?
before invention ruined prices for both t2 and most of the best named mods [read: when supply+demand were more or less functioning market forces], there was a rule of thumb saying that anything improving you and/or your ship by 5% would cost you five to ten times more. may sound vague but this is still basis for balance when it comes to hardwiring costs and sometimes best-named items if they're noticeably better; damage controls, neuts, you get the idea.
iow, your dream of a pwn ship that can take on entire bs squads will have to cost you more than a raven state issue, whatever it's called these days / whatever sfshootme wants for it -.-
No need to be rude.
Anyways though, how about this. You think the ship is good? Buy one. Simple.
God, it's like CCP adds some good ships and people freak out. >_>
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.09.12 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Pattern Clarc
Originally by: Ferocious FeAr
Rattlesnake isn't going to have 500ehp with a 2k passive tank, what drugs are you on because I need a dose right now.
500 ehp or 2k passive tank
It will be monstrous assuming it doesn't get nerfed.
that's highly exaggerated xD
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.09.18 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: OtonasiAkari
Machariel-
6/7/6 or 6/6/7
4 Turret point/ no missile point.
100% DMG
25% DMG with Matari BS @ 5
37.5% Tracking ( or 50% Fall off) With Gal BS @ 5
7th turret is really a bad idea with the ROF bonus still there...
no, that would just be a nightmare shooting projectiles.... seriously...
have you tried the mach on sisi yet? it's incredibly fast now. you do realize what -25% mass does to MWD right? give it a shot.
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.09.20 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Harkwyth Mist
Is the drone data on the Gila a typo ... as i seem to recall the Myrmidon also once had a 125mb bay and was capable of fielding 5x heavy drones, but this was changed as 5x heavy drones on a NON-BS class hull was viewed as overpowered ... consistancy please
What's that Ishtar?
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.09.21 14:10:00 -
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no.
Faction should be better then T2.
When you want to spend 100mil for a T2 frigate, let me know.
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.09.24 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: Stealthbug on 24/09/2009 02:18:35
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The velocity bonus is also fine on the Rattler, because, as with the Gila, that 10 km more range is tactically useful. Even though the Rattler isn't going to be dancing around the edge of web range, the ability to send torps 10 km further, from ~18 km to the edge of overheated disruptor range, is useful and powerful.
yes it's nice, but with only 4 hardpoints it's going to have the damage equal to that of a lemon slice...
HEY LOOK AT ME! I'm going to defeat you with my Fruit Catapult Tank! RAWR
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.09.30 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider
-90% webs is too much
5% bonus/lvl would be -75%
two of those would be -91.3%
you're silly
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Stealthbug on 30/09/2009 14:41:17
Originally by: Mojster Pek
can i ask why the fleet tempest has more(about 1000more!) base armor than the machariel ? is this some kind of mistake or is ccp beling a little stupid makeing a navy bs better than the pirate machariel ?
The Rattlesnake tanks better than the Bhaalgorn.
That doesn't make the Rattlesnake BETTER than the Bhaalgorn does it? >_O
;)
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kadesh Priestess
Originally by: Stealthbug
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
-90% webs is too much
5% bonus/lvl would be -75%
two of those would be -91.3%
you're silly
You are. 90% web is 4 times stronger than 60% web, i find it pretty much annoying.
no u
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:58:00 -
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Perhaps you should read your own posts before attempting to insult my logic. lol
You mentioned, and i quote, that it is strange that the "fleet tempest is better than the machariel"; which it most certainly is not. XD
I love how people on these forums are always like "oooh ur logic is flawed lolz0rz!! i g0tz j00!" when they have barely any conception of that they, themselves, are saying. XD
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Stealthbug on 30/09/2009 17:10:31
Originally by: Mojster Pek
Originally by: Stealthbug
Perhaps you should read your own posts before attempting to insult my logic. lol
You mentioned, and i quote, that it is strange that the "fleet tempest is better than the machariel"; which it most certainly is not. XD
I love how people on these forums are always like "oooh ur logic is flawed lolz0rz!! i g0tz j00!" when they have barely any conception of that they, themselves, are saying. XD
was trying to say it has better armor hp as i said befour... and if you had logic you'd know what i was trying to say...
and btw... are you saying that the new fleet tempest will not be better than the machariel ?
Well first, i'd like to comment on your fun use of the term logic. You make it sound like something that one obtains. It amused me, lol.
Second, yes i believe the Machariel, overall, will be a better ship than the Fleet Tempest. But if you want it buffed, I'm not gonna stop you. Go complain at CCP with your level 5 logic. xD
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.09.30 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: AbsoluteFury
so the bhaalgorn is like an armor tanking nightmare, with more cap recharge, even though it doesn't shield tank. it has 7 highs so it can fit 1 more thing. pretty much its like 8 guns and 5.25 nuets(for the cap price of 4 guns and 3 nuets). jesus......then theres the web range.
even though the nightmare has slightly more dps and better tracking/ the bhaalgorn just became a better nightmare.
sorry for the rant i just feel like my favorite ship got the shaft by the updated bhaalgorn.
Buff the Nightmare.
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.10.01 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mojster Pek
Edited by: Mojster Pek on 01/10/2009 00:15:49
no need for machariel to be agile... WE WANT MORE ARMOR!
Um, you have flown a Machariel before?
Dunno bout you, but i kinda like the 2000m/s battleship
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.10.01 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mojster Pek
well yea becouse you're a carebear... i dont want machariel to be the ship for speedy carebears again...
agility is ok.. but not if it costs armor.
This makes me lol.
Slowchariel makes me lol.
You make me lol.
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.10.05 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: fuxinos
This is ridicoules...
Nerfing the Guristas Drone Damage bonus is so stupid...
Just because some nubs cry that their Ishtar is worse then the Gila?
Why not nerf the Vigilant, its stronger then the Deimos too.
Even the Rattlesnacke, its already weak on dps, lost its Drone Damage bonus.
Why not nerf Vindicator? Its better then Kronos..~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tell me they didn't... >_>
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.10.07 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Xing Fey
Edited by: Xing Fey on 07/10/2009 06:06:05
Originally by: Guniviere
I dont profess to be an expert on ship abilities and balance but I know that I trained my skills to fly a Rattlesnake and the change from a missile boat to a drone boat will mean a long re-train of skills , if only the 4 launchers had a damage bonus ( if only 50% ) then it's entire nature wouldn't be totally changed , I dont want to fly a dominix that's why I'm a Caldari Missile pilot.
Just get a navy-scorp. It's basically the same thing except with more DPS, and probably cheaper.
I don't know about the cheaper part... with it being only available in FW LP stores, the fact that it's somewhat difficult to get, it may end up being a pretty rare ship and therefore more expensive than the rattlesnake.
That's just speculation, of course.
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.10.07 14:59:00 -
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Give the Rattlesnake 100% torpedo damage and it will be awesome and i'd love it.
Forget the whole part about that being somewhat ridiculous.
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.10.13 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Excellent Roze
so much for the nightmare being the number one pirate ship to own (in terms of firepower anyway)
Nightmare still has it's uses for pure DPS. it, overall, does more damage. Not only that, the Nightmare can use tachyon beams, something that if you used on the Bhaalgorn, you'll never be in neut/nos/web range. So overall, you will almost always get better DPS out of the Nightmare. Tracking is better on the Nightmare too.
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.10.13 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Zheren Huli
Originally by: Cersei
I can already see the hordes of awesome vindicator pilots ejecting from their vindicators to jump into abaddons, maelstroms and mallers which we all know can break all tanks without fitting neuts. And if it wasn't for that they'd still stop flying vindicators because changing the mwd cap bonus to web strength bonus is such a huge nerf.
Man, vindicator will become an absolutely awesome ship, able to dispatch entire nano gangs with ease and still hold its own against most other bs.
you shouldnt be sarcastic when you utterly fail at it.
the thing is simple that when i buy a ship that costs 10 times more than an abaddon i expect it to be more useful. the damage is about equal so why should i? not to mention the kronos at same cost with active tank...
"to dispatch entire nanogangs"...yeah lol in what dreamworld do you live? if the pilot aint total ******s they will just stay out the webrange as they no the shipbonus and blaster boats in general *megathron + neut + web = bad mkay?*.
Not to mention that you can reach about the same effect with an overheated scrambler so whatever.
If you fit an officer web on it sure it would be a different thing but unlike the kronos it got the huge tank deficit which makes it not worth it *except for those *****s who fly arround with a falcon alt all the time anyway but hey ecm is kronos only weakpoint you can ecm your enemy falcon, so again no reason to fit an officer web great*
No.
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.10.14 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Stealthbug on 14/10/2009 13:38:48
Originally by: Tiger's Spirit
Edited by: Tiger''s Spirit on 14/10/2009 09:09:10
Some rebalanced ship it's overpowered or too weak.
Most of laser user ships get moarrrrr, hidden amarr boost again.
Most of projectile user ships is nerfed.
Bhaalgorn wtf ????????? more neut,web bonuses, 4gunsx100%dmg (+damage boost)
Gila it's a joke ? 30k shield passive tank with 70-80% all resist + over 600 DPS ? WTF ? This is just a cruiser, not a BC or BS.
Better than many t3 scanner/cloakership. Better than ishtar.
CCP made it the moarrr plexing/anomaly ship.
Moarrrrr common English please; thanks.
And these are faction ships. They're supposed to be amazing. Next time you want to spend 100mil on a cruiser and have it suck, let me know.
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.10.15 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Bexx
Sansha are a joke now. You boost the Blood Raiders up to a level where they have TWO bonuses on top of those of the Sansha ships, and then you nerf their EHP? What are you smoking?
In all fairness, Sansha still do more damage, and they have better tracking AND fit tachyons, something Blood Raiders will not be using if they want to stay in neut/web range.
But I agree, Sansha does need a cookie if it wants to compete in the PvP realm with Blood Raiders' ability to neut and web. Perhaps give them a 125/125 drone bay/bandwidth? i dunno.
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