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Harisdrop Gallente Copia-WarRages Armaments	Posted - 2009.09.12 05:40:00 - [1] Ever since I started playing EVE I wondered how CCP could allow a player to be in a NPC corp for soo long. There are things they cant do but the cost of those things dont pull the players out of starter NPC corps. I hoped POS would pull them out. Maybe Faction warfare would nope. I think maybe the NPC corps would be given a tax as the character sp increases. That would be cool. How about diminishing returns on mission rewards. Taxing thier sales orders out side of company stations. Heck you join a big corp you dont get to do what you want there are rules. Until you go off to your own small company can you do as you please. Come on CCP lets have some fun.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.09.12 05:43:00 - [2] CCP should issue a tax that increases each someone posts these ideas.
Another Liberthas Caldari Ha'Menudim SCUM.	Posted - 2009.09.12 05:45:00 - [3] Originally by: Khemul Zula CCP should issue a tax that increases each someone posts these ideas. This. OP: Lrn2EVE-search
Intense Thinker Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.09.12 05:51:00 - [4] Originally by: Another Liberthas Originally by: Khemul Zula CCP should issue a tax that increases each someone posts these ideas. This. OP: Lrn2EVE-search This this And now I need to take a 5 minute nap before I have the energy to post again.
Cadde Gallente FireworX	Posted - 2009.09.12 05:51:00 - [5] So it's not a matter of them not wanting to go into a corp risking getting war decced etc etc? Imposing a noobie-corp tax would rather punish them for wanting to play the way they want in the sandbox. Sure, i agree that NPC corps is just a sad excuse to remain safe in a game where safe is what you make of it. But if you force it on them they might as well quit the game. Such a change wouldn't benefit anyone as it currently stands. It's sad but there are those who wanna play single player in this MMO focused on PvP. It's even sadder that some of those who start their life in high-sec are perfectly able to become good at the PvP game but as they grow their wealth they grow increasingly scared of losing it. Breaking that bad cycle is probably a matter of making them greedier slowly but steadily. Remove some of the profits from their safe environment and offer them a cookie where it's only slightly less secure and we could possibly ease them out of their mental blockade. My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!
Geezelbub	Posted - 2009.09.12 06:00:00 - [6] Quote: Come on CCP lets have some fun. Well I think their idea of fun is pub crawling whilst eating rams balls..enjoy youself.
Kerfira	Posted - 2009.09.12 08:46:00 - [7] Edited by: Kerfira on 12/09/2009 08:48:27 People play EVE for a lot of reasons. Some likes to work in groups and enjoy company, others just want to do something by themselves at their own pace to get away from their daily life.... The last group probably prefer noob corps, since they're not forced into a lot of player interaction. If they were forced into a player corp, or penalised for being in a noob corp, it is quite possible they would quit. Why? Because they would be forced to play another game than the one they want! BOTH types of players are valuable! They both contribute to the cost of keeping the game up, and further developing the game. The only ones who want the current situation to change is the ones who like to grief other players. There are PLENTY of corp to wardec, so why do you want everyone to be wardec'able? I of.c. know the answer. You like to grief people out of the game. It's not a GOOD answer though! The people in noob corp does not AFFECT your game at all! They're just there... They don't attack you, they run their own missions, or they mine 'roids which are plentiful anyway. If they go into low-sec or 0.0 you can still shoot them. Your only reason to change this is you want to force people who likes to play EVE in their way to play YOUR way, and then you'll laugh when they stop playing. Grow some blls and shoot people who know how to shoot back... PS: I DO PvP, and I do shoot other people. However, I understand (which you don't), that people are different, and that they play EVE for different goals. Your goal of griefing people out of the game is not good for the game, whereas their goal of playing by themselves IS. Your way thus has to go.... Originally by:* CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.12 09:03:00 - [8] Edited by: Tippia on 12/09/2009 09:04:18 Originally by: Cadde So it's not a matter of them not wanting to go into a corp risking getting war decced etc etc? Yes, and they can still do that. The safety should come at a price, though. Originally by: Kerfira The people in noob corp does not AFFECT your game at all! Yes they do. That's the whole point of the single universe of EVE. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Gsptlsnz	Posted - 2009.09.12 09:33:00 - [9] OP is just looking for a supply of unwilling victims. People don't rush out to get ganked because it costs time/ISK, and it's boring. The exact same motivation that makes EvE PvPers so experienced at running away at the first sign of trouble. EvE has a problem with the "barriers to entry" for PvP and for Corps. Deal with these and many more players will PvP.
Slave 2739FKZ Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.12 09:46:00 - [10] protection must cost them something. Too much alt of pvper hiding in NPC corps for hideous activities (carebearing, lolgistics, etc.) WIS is an expansion which allows EVE players to wear leather and walk around stations. Dust514 is a console shooter/rts which will tie into EVE and affect sov.

Lord Wimbishi Caldari Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.09.12 11:33:00 - [11] EZ fix for NPC corps: Starter corps (schools) Level 1 and 2 missions only, cannot under any circumstance jump through a gate into lower security space (the School's insurance charter will not cover the risk to recruits still under their tutelage). No freighters, orcas, capitals, or mining barges. No battleships. NPC corps Level 1-4 missions, maximum agent quality (after adjustments) of zero. No freighters, orcas, or capital ships. If this doesn't coax players out of NPC corps the only recourse is to remove them and leave non-corp pilots 'in the void' and associated with nothing. No agents, no office renting, no POS... nothing but your ships. Concord protection delayed by 200%. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral s****of the galaxy"
Kerfira	Posted - 2009.09.12 12:37:00 - [12] Edited by: Kerfira on 12/09/2009 12:39:22 Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Post So, you have a solution. That's great! Now, please state what the PROBLEM is? There is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to play EVE in a solo way, without having to be wardec'able! This caters to a different player segment, whose money is just as good as yours! As they can't wardec you either it's a good balance, bringing more players to EVE, thus giving higher income to CCP, making them able to further expand the game we all like. FYI, there ARE penalties to not being in a player corp, ie. the inability to do anything POS related. No changes needed! Works just fine as it is! PS: What really annoys you is being the big school yard bully, but the teacher is preventing you from bullying the smaller kids, isn't it? Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Resivan	Posted - 2009.09.12 12:46:00 - [13] The solution to this problem is the same as the solution to the L4 mission problem: Permanent forum bans for people who have a problem with it.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.12 12:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Kerfira FYI, there ARE penalties to not being in a player corp, ie. the inability to do anything POS related. The problem is that the costs are rather unevenly distributed. Being POSless isn't a disincentive if you're not interested in POS-related stuff. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
PostWithYourAlt	Posted - 2009.09.12 12:55:00 - [15] the solution is to disable player corporations and forcing all players into npc corporations. that way noone is at an advantage anymore and the poor player corporation guys can finally enjoy life and be as happy as the npc corporation ppl.
Harisdrop Gallente Copia-WarRages Armaments	Posted - 2009.09.12 13:12:00 - [16] EVE has always been about human nature and your correct when you say it choices. I believe tho thru some of the actions that CCP has done thru the years they are trying to change the carebear mindset. With any alliance now in game what is the main goal. Carebearing safely. You dont go kill people and place towers and work at EVE and keep on doing it. ITs the R64 moons or the minerals or the stations. I love Capitalism and soo do humans. Thats why we play this game. Its the blood lust of removing what others have gained and replacing it to you. Your gain is self enjoyment as other cry, more isk and control. HOw can any one in an NPC corp get fulfilled in EVE without fully understand all these. Its not me or my corp that would wish this torture called PVP on anyone its the sandbox CCP demented calls EVE. No matter what CCP throws in EVE I enjoy the game more cause 1 it cranks some players that thier game changed and 2 the rest of the players are happy it cranked the others.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.09.12 13:14:00 - [17] Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 12/09/2009 13:16:11 Originally by: Kerfira <snip> No changes needed! Works just fine as it is! PS: What really annoys you is being the big school yard bully, but the teacher is preventing you from bullying the smaller kids, isn't it? I agree the system is pretty decent as it is and doesn't benefit much from a radical change, but your analogue is just wrong. The system protects everyone who wants to use it, not just newbies or "little guys". I and many others use it to have logistics and industry, that are practically immune to all hostile actions. I'm not so sure this should be allowed, but I'll take the most out of it as long as CCP does allow it. The real problem is, that the only ways to change this are to either put strict limits what you can do in a NPC corp, put in a time limit or remove the protection. I personally don't think such solutions are worth the gains, but can certainly see why others might disagree.
Akira Kurosaw	Posted - 2009.09.12 13:20:00 - [18] Qounter proposal.: add a "bad boy" standing attribute which will increase slightly for loosing ships and pods and dramaticly increase for destroying ships and pods. This standing will then, to a small degree, be factored in when you buy new equipment and ships and to a larger degree when insurring ships and buying clones. The excess cost of buying and insurring will go to a universe wide fond for homeless kids and pink elefant(corruption in bureaucracy). on a seccond thought EvE is a sandbox game, there is no right or wrong way to play it and there is no focus behind it but what you, the player decides is the name og the game.
Harisdrop Gallente Copia-WarRages Armaments	Posted - 2009.09.12 13:30:00 - [19] I really think the uproar would not be a subscription issue. Cause with the npc corp player base I bet half are pvp alts and forum crankers anyway.
Brainless Bimbo Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.12 14:10:00 - [20] the OP is either a decent troll, stupid or a terrible (not very) sentient being, i just can¦t decide, maybe he¦s all three and i also am left pondering just how " americianized" he is too... Being in a NPC corp only protects from war dec¦s, but it has no safety in numbers type protection and greifing tactics work on ppl no matter what type corp they are in and its easier greifing on all NPC corpies too as no back up will come calling.. Maybe it takes a some people a long time to find a corp full of people they trust, or get along with on more than superficial levels, or even share the same goals and outlook with regards the game universe. NPC corps are there for a purpose, u leave of corp full of tards and u need some where to go, how many people have a long list in employment history because they made poor choices as did the corp they joined. Now me i¦m just asocial and would chew out the OP for being a unthinking or callous tard if he shared a corp with me, he¦s one reason people stay in them. ...... continues overleaf.

Slave 2739FKZ Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.12 14:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Kerfira There is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to play EVE in a solo way, without having to be wardec'able! Yes there is a problem: avoiding consequences for your alts. So you are this guy in an alliance which can use your freighter alt in a NPC corp to avoid disruptable empire logistics. Or you can run level 4's endlesslly without someone beiong able to disrupt your isk making activities. Is not all about you, silly solo players. Stop being dumbass and think about the bigger picture. Fixes: people in starter NPC corps should be moved to 'normal' NPC corps automatically after X skillpoints. Started NPC corps will have a cap on the ships they can use (nothing bigger than an tier 2 industrial for logistics or T1 for mining ships; nothing beyond T1 cruiser hulls). Normal NPC will be targets for the opposing militia, won't be able to use freighters, and will have increasing taxes in function of the time you're in the corp (all this will be computed with the time you are in player corps, for example if you spend 1 year in a NPC corp and your taxes increase to 50% then you have to be at least 1 year in a player corp to get back to 0% taxes, so this way it can't be exploited). Other suggested stuff is fine, just CCP should seek a balance. WIS is an expansion which allows EVE players to wear leather and walk around stations. Dust514 is a console shooter/rts which will tie into EVE and affect sov.
Akira Kurosaw	Posted - 2009.09.12 14:55:00 - [22] Edited by: Akira Kurosaw on 12/09/2009 14:55:56 and along with what Slave's brilliant idea, all alliance corps will be banned from empire do to mistrust between the empires and alliances because of the huge heavly armed alliances fleets we see today. Pilots that are in player a player corps but not in an allince are allow to be in empire aslong as the where a silly hat and sing christmas carrols on demand.
Anhur Shu Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.09.12 15:20:00 - [23] YES.....that's it....let's force everyone to play ONE particular way. Why didn't CCP think of that?!? STUPID! I like 0.0, and I would rather be in a player corp...preferably one with a home in 0.0. BUT, I just recently came back to the game after 7 months off and am currently trying to get my funds, and supply of ships, back to where it was before I left...since my former corp/alliance was removed from it's 0.0 home while I was gone. On top of that I'm currently out of work, so I can't just sell some GTC's for quick ISK. SO, I'm really sorry for all you griefers out there, but I'd rather NOT risk losing any ships to you at the moment. There's plenty of other peeps out there you can tackle....and while you're making newbies cry, for flying, and losing, that BS they got into 3 months too early, I'll be stocking up my supplies for future use. It's a sandbox...if you want to force people to play ONE way, go to a different game. -------------------------------------------------- I don't care if I suck, so shut the hell up!
Kerfira	Posted - 2009.09.12 15:21:00 - [24] Originally by: Slave 2739FKZ Yes there is a problem: avoiding consequences for your alts. ... Oh, I know all about the ways it is exploited. Don't get that wrong. I'm just saying there's nothing that can be done about it! If you look at the logoffski debate, it is similar to this. We know a lot of people abuse logoffski, and yet CCP have said they'll not change it simply because it would be unfair to people who DO get disconnected! This is similar! There are players who'd get unfairly penalised if the system was changed like you propose, and given precedent, CCP doesn't implement changes that punish the innocent with the guilty. This is most likely a good precedent... Not to mention the following fact: The players playing individually is the MAJORITY of EVE's players. No chance in hell CCP will risk that much income to please the small minority of griefers. If that type of player wants to play (his way), and can't because of a wardec, he'll quit. You'd probably like that, but CCP won't. CCP are the ones deciding what happens in this game, not you, so which way do you think things will go? Note, I'm not a solo player, but I understand that EVE players are a diverse group, all bringing income to support the game I like. They're thus all welcome! Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
stoicfaux	Posted - 2009.09.12 15:56:00 - [25] Originally by: Harisdrop Ever since I started playing EVE I wondered how CCP could allow a player to be in a NPC corp for soo long. There are things they cant do but the cost of those things dont pull the players out of starter NPC corps. I hoped POS would pull them out. Maybe Faction warfare would nope. I think maybe the NPC corps would be given a tax as the character sp increases. That would be cool. How about diminishing returns on mission rewards. Taxing thier sales orders out side of company stations. Heck you join a big corp you dont get to do what you want there are rules. Until you go off to your own small company can you do as you please. Come on CCP lets have some fun. So if I stay in an NPC corp I get penalized. If I leave the NPC corp I get penalized. What's in it for me and my monthly subscription? Nada. If I want a 100% PvP environment I will play Planetside or Team Fortress 2. I recommend that you give Planetside a go, where even a n00b can pwn a high BR character, and where re-spawns can be overrun.
Junko Togawa Caldari	Posted - 2009.09.12 16:07:00 - [26] Old Troll is old. Let's see, when will the nerf L4's whine come back into play, I wonder? I guess the salvage whine is getting boring, and the local whine is hanging on, but it's taken a downturn since the scanner whine became the new vogue this season. Sov and Titan whines saw an upturn recently, but time will tell how durable they are. Once the new whine show comes with Dominion's release I imagine it'll be in full swing. So many whines, and so little cheese to go with. I is a sad panda.
Kiva Aharan	Posted - 2009.09.12 16:12:00 - [27] I marvel at the number of people who think they should decide how other people have fun Eve.
Urgg Boolean	Posted - 2009.09.12 16:16:00 - [28] Cadde and Kerfira make good points. NPC corps have their place just as they are. My main point is that many players simply engage in EVE for an experience that creates a diversion from the real world. It's not about kill-boards and gankage. It's about a venue for escape. As an example, the other day a corp recruiter asked me what my goals in EVE are, and as part of that discussion was indicating that whatever my goals were, they would be better met in a corp. Goals? Goals imply a focused effort to achieve a stated objective. That sounds an awful lot like work to me. I replied that I have no goals, other than mindlessly blowing things up and flying about in virtual toys. Many players have this mind set : I am not alone. It takes honest effort (work) to get good at PvP, or to establish and maintain a POS. I just can't be bothered to "work" in my fantasy playground : that's not why I logon. Fun is not defined, for me, as looking over my shoulder for gankers when soloing, nor do I find it fun to dish out gankage when in a blob. Fun is not defined as virtual accomplishment in a virtual world (MEANINGLESS). Like the Dwarven Demolition Squad from the original Warcraft would say, "I love blowin' things up!" I don't need the support of a player corp to do that. Please leave the NPC corps as they are.
Junko Togawa Caldari	Posted - 2009.09.12 16:19:00 - [29] Everyone is smarter than everyone else. It's human nature.
techzer0 Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.09.12 16:24:00 - [30] I'm a pirate in an NPC corp... adding taxes would just make the corp chat less busy, lol. So go for it! ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>



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