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Tripoli	Posted - 2004.10.21 06:59:00 - [1] After a many hours of discussion amongst the Senior Staff of XenTech and a formal vote, we have reached a difficult decision. I want to make it clear that this was a gut wrenching process. We know not everyone will understand or agree with our decision. When hostilities broke out between two groups who we called friends, XenTech was divided on what to do. We feel this course of action is the only way to preserve our friendships which we greatly value while still maintaining our honor. Effective immediately, XenTech is resigning it's membership in the Coalition of Free Stars. We have no hard feelings for the CFS or its members. Like I have stated, you are our friends. We hope we can keep it that way. If you need help fighting off pirates, give us a call (that is, if we aren't already there). For those members of UFS that have already started shooting us, I pray that you rethink your actions. We mean no harm to any of the area's inhabitants. We are currently exploring other options as to a membership in another alliance. At this time we definitely do want to stay involved in the Querious and Period Basis regions. Once a decision has been reached, I'll post here again. ---
Tripoli	Posted - 2004.10.21 06:59:00 - [2] After a many hours of discussion amongst the Senior Staff of XenTech and a formal vote, we have reached a difficult decision. I want to make it clear that this was a gut wrenching process. We know not everyone will understand or agree with our decision. When hostilities broke out between two groups who we called friends, XenTech was divided on what to do. We feel this course of action is the only way to preserve our friendships which we greatly value while still maintaining our honor. Effective immediately, XenTech is resigning it's membership in the Coalition of Free Stars. We have no hard feelings for the CFS or its members. Like I have stated, you are our friends. We hope we can keep it that way. If you need help fighting off pirates, give us a call (that is, if we aren't already there). For those members of UFS that have already started shooting us, I pray that you rethink your actions. We mean no harm to any of the area's inhabitants. We are currently exploring other options as to a membership in another alliance. At this time we definitely do want to stay involved in the Querious and Period Basis regions. Once a decision has been reached, I'll post here again. ---
Thomas Epsilon	Posted - 2004.10.21 07:05:00 - [3] I understand you want to stay friends with everyone and be a neutral corp, but in the long run I don't think that will be good for your corp, in terms of having allies. I'm afraid it's a bit too late to preserve your honour. You were a long standing member of CFS and you turned your back on them, when they needed you the most.
Thomas Epsilon	Posted - 2004.10.21 07:05:00 - [4] I understand you want to stay friends with everyone and be a neutral corp, but in the long run I don't think that will be good for your corp, in terms of having allies. I'm afraid it's a bit too late to preserve your honour. You were a long standing member of CFS and you turned your back on them, when they needed you the most.
Araviel	Posted - 2004.10.21 07:12:00 - [5] Xentech is the oldest CFS corp, no other corp has been longer in CFS than them. they have stood next to CFS at all times, in good and bad. i think they have proved many times that they are a exellent allied. EPIC Recruitment post
Araviel	Posted - 2004.10.21 07:12:00 - [6] Xentech is the oldest CFS corp, no other corp has been longer in CFS than them. they have stood next to CFS at all times, in good and bad. i think they have proved many times that they are a exellent allied. EPIC Recruitment post
Thomas Epsilon	Posted - 2004.10.21 07:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Araviel Xentech is the oldest CFS corp, no other corp has been longer in CFS than them. they have stood next to CFS at all times, in good and bad. i think they have proved many times that they are a exellent allied. In terms of PR, the problem is that most people and corps will be judged by their latest actions, not their history. CFS is in its biggest crisis ever, and it needs all the help it can get. If a long-standing corp leaves, it can serve as a bad example for the corps who just joined, who might also consider to leave. But I agree with you, if they already have proven themselves on numerous occasions, political and military wise, they have done their bit your king and country. But still leaving in the heat of the moment, cannot be fully justified.
Thomas Epsilon	Posted - 2004.10.21 07:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Araviel Xentech is the oldest CFS corp, no other corp has been longer in CFS than them. they have stood next to CFS at all times, in good and bad. i think they have proved many times that they are a exellent allied. In terms of PR, the problem is that most people and corps will be judged by their latest actions, not their history. CFS is in its biggest crisis ever, and it needs all the help it can get. If a long-standing corp leaves, it can serve as a bad example for the corps who just joined, who might also consider to leave. But I agree with you, if they already have proven themselves on numerous occasions, political and military wise, they have done their bit your king and country. But still leaving in the heat of the moment, cannot be fully justified.
AvanCade	Posted - 2004.10.21 07:33:00 - [9] For once i agree with Thomas . Get your asses back in the CFS and help them out . Weaklings. Bah !
AvanCade	Posted - 2004.10.21 07:33:00 - [10] For once i agree with Thomas . Get your asses back in the CFS and help them out . Weaklings. Bah !
The Enslaver	Posted - 2004.10.21 09:10:00 - [11] Bad choice on the part of XenTech, and I must say my opinion of them has just been lowered... -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2004.10.21 09:10:00 - [12] Bad choice on the part of XenTech, and I must say my opinion of them has just been lowered... -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Lallante	Posted - 2004.10.21 09:39:00 - [13] The Shinra ceasefire no longer applies to Xentech. If we had a free corpwar slot... Id consider it. Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
Lallante	Posted - 2004.10.21 09:39:00 - [14] The Shinra ceasefire no longer applies to Xentech. If we had a free corpwar slot... Id consider it. Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
Aneu Angellus	Posted - 2004.10.21 09:59:00 - [15] I know myself VOTF will not hold back from XenTec... I must admit this is quite low, fight for your freedom, dont run from it. Aneu ________________ Aneu Angellus Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
Aneu Angellus	Posted - 2004.10.21 09:59:00 - [16] I know myself VOTF will not hold back from XenTec... I must admit this is quite low, fight for your freedom, dont run from it. Aneu ________________ Aneu Angellus Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
Mindlles	Posted - 2004.10.21 10:42:00 - [17] Well sad to see that our dearest enemys "ca" Keep put their opinon in every thing that is being said in this war. I know you hate FA becouse they protect their land quite good, And for the same in us in FIX. I my self is glad x did the choice to stay neutral. I never want to shoot a singel shoot at them. A proud corp whit great honor in my eyes. Just doing what they think is the best of the situation. And a question - What is wrong when the oldest CFS corp leaves CFS??? Well to shinra and comp. Have fun we cu soon again ;) Oohh and like always personal feeling, Nothing to do whit FIX, ASUYA or what ever. Just me being a forum b**** again :)
Mindlles	Posted - 2004.10.21 10:42:00 - [18] Well sad to see that our dearest enemys "ca" Keep put their opinon in every thing that is being said in this war. I know you hate FA becouse they protect their land quite good, And for the same in us in FIX. I my self is glad x did the choice to stay neutral. I never want to shoot a singel shoot at them. A proud corp whit great honor in my eyes. Just doing what they think is the best of the situation. And a question - What is wrong when the oldest CFS corp leaves CFS??? Well to shinra and comp. Have fun we cu soon again ;) Oohh and like always personal feeling, Nothing to do whit FIX, ASUYA or what ever. Just me being a forum b**** again :)
AvanCade	Posted - 2004.10.21 12:32:00 - [19] Edited by: AvanCade on 21/10/2004 12:36:25 @Mindlles: Don't get ****y. And see you soon. Very Soon(TM).
AvanCade	Posted - 2004.10.21 12:32:00 - [20] Edited by: AvanCade on 21/10/2004 12:36:25 @Mindlles: Don't get ****y. And see you soon. Very Soon(TM).
corporal hicks	Posted - 2004.10.21 13:02:00 - [21] Edited by: corporal hicks on 21/10/2004 13:06:58 Originally by: AvanCade Edited by: AvanCade on 21/10/2004 12:36:25 @Mindlles: Don't get **y. And see you soon. Very Soon(TM). It's only a matter of time Avoncade, until I get you, soon. Very soon. I still have Nightmares about that Eve movie you made, using Craig David instead of the police " Stay Frosty "**
corporal hicks	Posted - 2004.10.21 13:02:00 - [22] Edited by: corporal hicks on 21/10/2004 13:06:58 Originally by: AvanCade Edited by: AvanCade on 21/10/2004 12:36:25 @Mindlles: Don't get **y. And see you soon. Very Soon(TM). It's only a matter of time Avoncade, until I get you, soon. Very soon. I still have Nightmares about that Eve movie you made, using Craig David instead of the police " Stay Frosty "**
AvanCade	Posted - 2004.10.21 14:03:00 - [23] You bettah resize ur sig in the meanwhile, its too large for the rules :)
AvanCade	Posted - 2004.10.21 14:03:00 - [24] You bettah resize ur sig in the meanwhile, its too large for the rules :)
Dirtball	Posted - 2004.10.21 14:38:00 - [25] This does nothing but confirm that Xentech was FA's little puppet working within the CFS. My respect for Tripoli and the rest of Xentech is non existant as of this day. I hope Xentech was smart enough to at least get paid by fountain... or at least one of Xentechs members. This is the most pathetic thing I have ever been witness to during my days as a pilot.
Dirtball	Posted - 2004.10.21 14:38:00 - [26] This does nothing but confirm that Xentech was FA's little puppet working within the CFS. My respect for Tripoli and the rest of Xentech is non existant as of this day. I hope Xentech was smart enough to at least get paid by fountain... or at least one of Xentechs members. This is the most pathetic thing I have ever been witness to during my days as a pilot.
Arvalen Eno	Posted - 2004.10.21 15:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Dirtball This does nothing but confirm that Xentech was FA's little puppet working within the CFS. If that was the case, wouldn't they rather stay so they can supply the info to help kill the CFS operations like some others were doing? Someone doesn't want to shoot their friends over holy cause that's "property" of a piece of virtual space. The horror. Kill them all, those infidels. "Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate... hate leads to nerfs."
Arvalen Eno	Posted - 2004.10.21 15:19:00 - [28] Originally by: Dirtball This does nothing but confirm that Xentech was FA's little puppet working within the CFS. If that was the case, wouldn't they rather stay so they can supply the info to help kill the CFS operations like some others were doing? Someone doesn't want to shoot their friends over holy cause that's "property" of a piece of virtual space. The horror. Kill them all, those infidels. "Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate... hate leads to nerfs."
nieo	Posted - 2004.10.21 17:10:00 - [29] Wonder how long it takes before XenTech are members of FA in one way or the other..
nieo	Posted - 2004.10.21 17:10:00 - [30] Wonder how long it takes before XenTech are members of FA in one way or the other..
Elfman	Posted - 2004.10.21 17:19:00 - [31] Edited by: Elfman on 21/10/2004 17:25:07 Edited by: Elfman on 21/10/2004 17:23:51 Has anyone around here heard of the expression "the straw that broke the camels back" I do love peeps who make bold sweeping statements without and foresight into matters they know nothing about in any way shape or form and are in no way any of there buisness.
Elfman	Posted - 2004.10.21 17:19:00 - [32] Edited by: Elfman on 21/10/2004 17:25:07 Edited by: Elfman on 21/10/2004 17:23:51 Has anyone around here heard of the expression "the straw that broke the camels back" I do love peeps who make bold sweeping statements without and foresight into matters they know nothing about in any way shape or form and are in no way any of there buisness.
AvanCade	Posted - 2004.10.21 17:38:00 - [33] If its none of our business, then why even make a thread.
AvanCade	Posted - 2004.10.21 17:38:00 - [34] If its none of our business, then why even make a thread.
Raindrop	Posted - 2004.10.21 18:07:00 - [35] Edited by: Raindrop on 21/10/2004 18:23:51 As for anyone having his own opinion about why Xentech did what it did. Congratulation you are in tittle to your own opinion. And this is mine. And i AM a Xentech Director, I WAS a CFS foreign minister, I WAS a CFS Senator, I WAS a CFS Council member. Xentech has been in CFS for a very long period. Staying when groups of cowards and asswhipes left because they didn't get what they wanted instantly. We however stayed. and worked actively to make something of it. WE TRIED. A lot of those QDF folks LEFT when they didn't get what they wanted. I personally in name of Xentech have done my best to keep CFS stable and working. And saved it atleast one time from idiots that wanted to push CFS into a war that we weren't capable of winning. Unfortunatly this time the idiots were on the other side. The few pilots our corp has that fight, fight well. And they get their ships and equipment as much as possible from everyone else in the corp so they can dedicate themselves to the cause. I've tried to setup a donation system for CFS as a whole but only got 2-3 replies and donations(good guys). Repeated questions from me to get people to use the donations were waved aside. Heck CFS is such an open system anyone could have stepped up and took it on themselves to organise the manufacturing distribution and assingments of ammo and ships and donation. But noone does. If you want CFS to work then you need more then just willing people with ships. You need the framework to keep them afloat. Our CORP has provided exactly that for our own pilots atleast and i've tried to get alittle something going with the donations. Unfortunatly i didn't have the time to deepen that. As to our reason why. It's all the***ups by pilots in space causing war's and spies on forums, and undermining of an organisation as CFS that has tied the knot for Xentech. CFS has been royally screwed by asswhipes and spies. There are about 4 other reasons why Xentech left that are underlying the decision. One thing is sure. Noone but the guys in charge can be sure of the plans. I've seen a massive amount of rumours and information pass my door. (I keep contacts still) The moment ordinairy pilots start making decisions that may result in war everything crumbles unless there is a decent structure and everyone is willing to listen. And aparently QDF doesn't have that as we get the bad side from that. Unfortunatly there are too many **** that don't listen in these parts of space. As to if Xentech are cowards or to blame or failed etc: If anyone or thing failed then It's CFS as an organisation. Lack of time that people want to put in. In fact there is so little people actively participating in CFS that they can only spend time on the most essentials. Leaving the basic framework to dry in the sun cue rolling bush in the desert The fact that we don't have that framework, that we have all these rumours about the reliability of CFS exec's, that we can't hold up our own pants all comes from ALL of US. People lacked the time/will and/or drive to fully stand behind CFS. And in time those that do try will burn out after trying their best. Xentech tried as a whole corp. And recent events burned us out. As for our announcement and timing etc. Yeah that can be seen as a gigantic*****up. And i thought it was. I thought it was. But I don't anymore. Because i realise that our Corp couldn't possibly do it any other way. Because we do stick together. And we have tried to give CFS our best. In that line it was only FAIR to imediatly inform CFS of what was happening inside Xentech instead of waiting till we made up our mind and then suddenly cutting away from CFS. In my opinion FAIRNESS and openess are much more valuable then honour. With fairness to all you don't have surprices. Not even about a corp having internal issues about something. If we did this on an honour basement then we would have choose to only honour our corp..... Not inform CFS about the turmoil inside and then Suddenly left and done the "honourable" thing. Excuse us for wanting to keep CFS uptodate about crucial stuff. Excuse us for being fair about everything. Excuse us for giving everyone a heads up about what was happening. If any corp isn't backing CFS 100% blindly then they shouldn't be in it. Xentech recognised this and took it's own responcibility towards not only it's members but also towards CFS and informed CFS from the get go. Unlike many other companies in the past that left. We had the balls to stick to our principles and remained fair. It's just a shame that we're burned out. We atleast had the balls to inform CFS of this going on inside us. Even when we were aware of the concequences. We had the balls to show the cards for anyone to see. We had the balls to stand straight and take responcibility for our own flaws. The only kind of honour that should get any credit. EVER.
Raindrop	Posted - 2004.10.21 18:07:00 - [36] Edited by: Raindrop on 21/10/2004 18:23:51 As for anyone having his own opinion about why Xentech did what it did. Congratulation you are in tittle to your own opinion. And this is mine. And i AM a Xentech Director, I WAS a CFS foreign minister, I WAS a CFS Senator, I WAS a CFS Council member. Xentech has been in CFS for a very long period. Staying when groups of cowards and asswhipes left because they didn't get what they wanted instantly. We however stayed. and worked actively to make something of it. WE TRIED. A lot of those QDF folks LEFT when they didn't get what they wanted. I personally in name of Xentech have done my best to keep CFS stable and working. And saved it atleast one time from idiots that wanted to push CFS into a war that we weren't capable of winning. Unfortunatly this time the idiots were on the other side. The few pilots our corp has that fight, fight well. And they get their ships and equipment as much as possible from everyone else in the corp so they can dedicate themselves to the cause. I've tried to setup a donation system for CFS as a whole but only got 2-3 replies and donations(good guys). Repeated questions from me to get people to use the donations were waved aside. Heck CFS is such an open system anyone could have stepped up and took it on themselves to organise the manufacturing distribution and assingments of ammo and ships and donation. But noone does. If you want CFS to work then you need more then just willing people with ships. You need the framework to keep them afloat. Our CORP has provided exactly that for our own pilots atleast and i've tried to get alittle something going with the donations. Unfortunatly i didn't have the time to deepen that. As to our reason why. It's all the***ups by pilots in space causing war's and spies on forums, and undermining of an organisation as CFS that has tied the knot for Xentech. CFS has been royally screwed by asswhipes and spies. There are about 4 other reasons why Xentech left that are underlying the decision. One thing is sure. Noone but the guys in charge can be sure of the plans. I've seen a massive amount of rumours and information pass my door. (I keep contacts still) The moment ordinairy pilots start making decisions that may result in war everything crumbles unless there is a decent structure and everyone is willing to listen. And aparently QDF doesn't have that as we get the bad side from that. Unfortunatly there are too many **** that don't listen in these parts of space. As to if Xentech are cowards or to blame or failed etc: If anyone or thing failed then It's CFS as an organisation. Lack of time that people want to put in. In fact there is so little people actively participating in CFS that they can only spend time on the most essentials. Leaving the basic framework to dry in the sun cue rolling bush in the desert The fact that we don't have that framework, that we have all these rumours about the reliability of CFS exec's, that we can't hold up our own pants all comes from ALL of US. People lacked the time/will and/or drive to fully stand behind CFS. And in time those that do try will burn out after trying their best. Xentech tried as a whole corp. And recent events burned us out. As for our announcement and timing etc. Yeah that can be seen as a gigantic*****up. And i thought it was. I thought it was. But I don't anymore. Because i realise that our Corp couldn't possibly do it any other way. Because we do stick together. And we have tried to give CFS our best. In that line it was only FAIR to imediatly inform CFS of what was happening inside Xentech instead of waiting till we made up our mind and then suddenly cutting away from CFS. In my opinion FAIRNESS and openess are much more valuable then honour. With fairness to all you don't have surprices. Not even about a corp having internal issues about something. If we did this on an honour basement then we would have choose to only honour our corp..... Not inform CFS about the turmoil inside and then Suddenly left and done the "honourable" thing. Excuse us for wanting to keep CFS uptodate about crucial stuff. Excuse us for being fair about everything. Excuse us for giving everyone a heads up about what was happening. If any corp isn't backing CFS 100% blindly then they shouldn't be in it. Xentech recognised this and took it's own responcibility towards not only it's members but also towards CFS and informed CFS from the get go. Unlike many other companies in the past that left. We had the balls to stick to our principles and remained fair. It's just a shame that we're burned out. We atleast had the balls to inform CFS of this going on inside us. Even when we were aware of the concequences. We had the balls to show the cards for anyone to see. We had the balls to stand straight and take responcibility for our own flaws. The only kind of honour that should get any credit. EVER.
AvanCade	Posted - 2004.10.21 22:00:00 - [37] You havent even tried fighting.
AvanCade	Posted - 2004.10.21 22:00:00 - [38] You havent even tried fighting.
benwallace	Posted - 2004.10.21 23:13:00 - [39] did you have the balls to stay and fight for cfs no you chickened out you lost your balls theres and you really think ufs is gonna try to win this war by out blobling? --------------------------
benwallace	Posted - 2004.10.21 23:13:00 - [40] did you have the balls to stay and fight for cfs no you chickened out you lost your balls theres and you really think ufs is gonna try to win this war by out blobling? --------------------------
Dirtball	Posted - 2004.10.22 04:13:00 - [41] Quote: I personally in name of Xentech have done my best to keep CFS stable and working. And saved it atleast one time from idiots that wanted to push CFS into a war that we weren't capable of winning. That has to be the most cowardly thing I've ever heard anyone say, and to call the people who were not cowards "idiots" that's just wrong. I know where you're coming from in the rest of the post, you want a nice organized structure with which the whole alliance should work from, but I wonder exactly how anal were you and/or Xentech about everyone following your grand plan. So I'll interpret the rest of your post as "No one wanted to be like us, so we didn't like them, they were 'idiots'"
Dirtball	Posted - 2004.10.22 04:13:00 - [42] Quote: I personally in name of Xentech have done my best to keep CFS stable and working. And saved it atleast one time from idiots that wanted to push CFS into a war that we weren't capable of winning. That has to be the most cowardly thing I've ever heard anyone say, and to call the people who were not cowards "idiots" that's just wrong. I know where you're coming from in the rest of the post, you want a nice organized structure with which the whole alliance should work from, but I wonder exactly how anal were you and/or Xentech about everyone following your grand plan. So I'll interpret the rest of your post as "No one wanted to be like us, so we didn't like them, they were 'idiots'"
S3VYN	Posted - 2004.10.22 04:40:00 - [43] Well done Xentech, I hope you guys find whatever you're looking for soon. Raindrop, I read your whole post... twice... I'm still confused as to who you were taking shots at there? Not flaming, honestly trying to hear what you're saying. I picked up on a lot of things I agreed with in regards to the CFS but others steered another direction (anti-QDF perhaps?) and I started getting confused. I think Xentech was wise to make more gradual decisions, it shows an amount of poise that many corporations lack in their leadership. It boils down to the CFS getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Right now we're at the "I wasn't stealing cookies!" stage and pretty soon we'll move on to the "I was, but what of it!" stage. I think there's two or three stages after that before the contrition stage (if it gets that far). Good call all around, I'm glad I have still, to this day, never shot at a Xentech member. ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be.
S3VYN	Posted - 2004.10.22 04:40:00 - [44] Well done Xentech, I hope you guys find whatever you're looking for soon. Raindrop, I read your whole post... twice... I'm still confused as to who you were taking shots at there? Not flaming, honestly trying to hear what you're saying. I picked up on a lot of things I agreed with in regards to the CFS but others steered another direction (anti-QDF perhaps?) and I started getting confused. I think Xentech was wise to make more gradual decisions, it shows an amount of poise that many corporations lack in their leadership. It boils down to the CFS getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Right now we're at the "I wasn't stealing cookies!" stage and pretty soon we'll move on to the "I was, but what of it!" stage. I think there's two or three stages after that before the contrition stage (if it gets that far). Good call all around, I'm glad I have still, to this day, never shot at a Xentech member. ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be.
Galk	Posted - 2004.10.22 08:56:00 - [45] I have to respect my corps decision to leave the cfs, though in truth that might have not been my own personal opinion. I love the cfs and all it stands for, it certainly makes people stick together and lookout for each other, why i like it. Plus it has been a great access point to 0.0 space for people, i can imagine a fair few people that never would have tried 0.0 space if not for the open space policy of the cfs, iv'e had the pleasure of introducing people to it myself. Thats one of the reasons iv'e allways fought for it, it's the whole thing about looking out for one another, it's why the cfs never died. Everything now though is changing, friends are fighting friends, i cannot even return home to tpar now, iv'e fought tooth and nail for that place quite a few times, lost quite a few ships, gave away ships and gear to help others set out to defend and get on, and now what, tuesday the fa blow me up while im scouting there fleet, next day im kill on sight in my home system. I can't knock mt corp mates though, iv'e known trip and the guys from the very start, back last june. Everything is a shame, i wish the cfs well, and everybody that fights for freedom for one another. ------------------------ ---- Little wonder why people were, what this person was telling my friends: http://galk.50megs.com/logs/
Galk	Posted - 2004.10.22 08:56:00 - [46] I have to respect my corps decision to leave the cfs, though in truth that might have not been my own personal opinion. I love the cfs and all it stands for, it certainly makes people stick together and lookout for each other, why i like it. Plus it has been a great access point to 0.0 space for people, i can imagine a fair few people that never would have tried 0.0 space if not for the open space policy of the cfs, iv'e had the pleasure of introducing people to it myself. Thats one of the reasons iv'e allways fought for it, it's the whole thing about looking out for one another, it's why the cfs never died. Everything now though is changing, friends are fighting friends, i cannot even return home to tpar now, iv'e fought tooth and nail for that place quite a few times, lost quite a few ships, gave away ships and gear to help others set out to defend and get on, and now what, tuesday the fa blow me up while im scouting there fleet, next day im kill on sight in my home system. I can't knock mt corp mates though, iv'e known trip and the guys from the very start, back last june. Everything is a shame, i wish the cfs well, and everybody that fights for freedom for one another. ------------------------ ---- Little wonder why people were, what this person was telling my friends: http://galk.50megs.com/logs/
Vanquish Mortifear	Posted - 2004.10.22 10:15:00 - [47] Xentech you are a bunch of f@gs - go back to empire.
Vanquish Mortifear	Posted - 2004.10.22 10:15:00 - [48] Xentech you are a bunch of f@gs - go back to empire.
Gold Star	Posted - 2004.10.22 11:21:00 - [49] Makes me sad to see people jumping ship, when CFS has decided to try and stand on its own 2 feet. Hope you thinking of you old Alliance mates dieing out that, while your in full retreat back to empire. -------------------------------------------- You can have my gun when you pry it from my paranoid, mentally disturbed, physically-abusive, cold, dead fingers.
Gold Star	Posted - 2004.10.22 11:21:00 - [50] Makes me sad to see people jumping ship, when CFS has decided to try and stand on its own 2 feet. Hope you thinking of you old Alliance mates dieing out that, while your in full retreat back to empire. -------------------------------------------- You can have my gun when you pry it from my paranoid, mentally disturbed, physically-abusive, cold, dead fingers.
Edison Frisk	Posted - 2004.10.22 14:13:00 - [51] Raindrop, I would have thought better of you, this truly saddens me. Ed.
Edison Frisk	Posted - 2004.10.22 14:13:00 - [52] Raindrop, I would have thought better of you, this truly saddens me. Ed.
Insane Angel	Posted - 2004.10.22 20:52:00 - [53] Originally by: Gold Star Makes me sad to see people jumping ship, when CFS has decided to try and stand on its own 2 feet. Hope you thinking of you old Alliance mates dieing out that, while your in full retreat back to empire. You mean like Zoners did when m0o/AtuK and Techell took the TPAR station? Is it in the CA S.O.P. to judge others and hold them accountable to something that is wrong when they perform the same wrongs? And then to deny it over and over again? As if it never happened? CA get off of any threads that deal with CFS/FA/QDF/FIX, its none of your concern.
Insane Angel	Posted - 2004.10.22 20:52:00 - [54] Originally by: Gold Star Makes me sad to see people jumping ship, when CFS has decided to try and stand on its own 2 feet. Hope you thinking of you old Alliance mates dieing out that, while your in full retreat back to empire. You mean like Zoners did when m0o/AtuK and Techell took the TPAR station? Is it in the CA S.O.P. to judge others and hold them accountable to something that is wrong when they perform the same wrongs? And then to deny it over and over again? As if it never happened? CA get off of any threads that deal with CFS/FA/QDF/FIX, its none of your concern.
S3VYN	Posted - 2004.10.23 03:33:00 - [55] RE: Insane Angel Appears to be, I've noticed another notable entity involved with this conflict taking up similar habits as well. Makes you wonder dunnit? ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be.
S3VYN	Posted - 2004.10.23 03:33:00 - [56] RE: Insane Angel Appears to be, I've noticed another notable entity involved with this conflict taking up similar habits as well. Makes you wonder dunnit? ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be.
Insane Angel	Posted - 2004.10.23 04:47:00 - [57] Originally by: S3VYN RE: Insane Angel Appears to be, I've noticed another notable entity involved with this conflict taking up similar habits as well. Makes you wonder dunnit? LOL save me from thinking too hard.
Insane Angel	Posted - 2004.10.23 04:47:00 - [58] Originally by: S3VYN RE: Insane Angel Appears to be, I've noticed another notable entity involved with this conflict taking up similar habits as well. Makes you wonder dunnit? LOL save me from thinking too hard.
S3VYN	Posted - 2004.10.23 06:07:00 - [59] It's da CFS you see! ;) ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be.
S3VYN	Posted - 2004.10.23 06:07:00 - [60] It's da CFS you see! ;) ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be.
Storm Mage	Posted - 2004.10.27 08:31:00 - [61] Edited by: Storm Mage on 27/10/2004 08:34:49 Originally by: Insane Angel Originally by: Gold Star Makes me sad to see people jumping ship, when CFS has decided to try and stand on its own 2 feet. CA get off of any threads that deal with CFS/FA/QDF/FIX, its none of your concern. It is your concern if you are ex CFS even to the slightest degree. While I do not completely agree with everything they are doing right now I do think their ideals are sound and the drive is there, how things run just needs work. Sorry to see you go Raindrop, you were a great asset to CFS. Let the lightning be your warning and the thunder your battlecry!
Storm Mage	Posted - 2004.10.27 08:31:00 - [62] Edited by: Storm Mage on 27/10/2004 08:34:49 Originally by: Insane Angel Originally by: Gold Star Makes me sad to see people jumping ship, when CFS has decided to try and stand on its own 2 feet. CA get off of any threads that deal with CFS/FA/QDF/FIX, its none of your concern. It is your concern if you are ex CFS even to the slightest degree. While I do not completely agree with everything they are doing right now I do think their ideals are sound and the drive is there, how things run just needs work. Sorry to see you go Raindrop, you were a great asset to CFS. Let the lightning be your warning and the thunder your battlecry!
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2004.10.27 15:33:00 - [63] Cowardice, utter cowardice.... My vids and random stuff
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2004.10.27 15:33:00 - [64] Cowardice, utter cowardice.... My vids and random stuff

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