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Undecillion
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Posted - 2009.09.12 08:48:00 -
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Ok, I've come across a control tower along with some labs and other things which mind you were very lightly guarded with fixed weapons. What I would like to learn is how can this be done? Is it that easy to be able to get back to it? Or, are people setting these up and losing them? Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.
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Some Advisor
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Posted - 2009.09.12 10:20:00 -
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sometimes a string of bad luck (ie killing & podding some newbier ppl in some system) can leave all ppl locked out of the system if tehy didn have a alt prober on reserve to find a new entry point
or just abandoned.
or both :P
also rememeber... offlined pos with no apparently stuff, someone might be before you and found "stuff" thats now gone :P
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.09.12 11:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Undecillion
Ok, I've come across a control tower along with some labs and other things which mind you were very lightly guarded with fixed weapons. What I would like to learn is how can this be done? Is it that easy to be able to get back to it? Or, are people setting these up and losing them? Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.
Most towers are just there for mining/exploring the site and maybe the WH's linked to it. Once done players move on and sometimes leave the pos behind as it can take ages to take down. They are really just like base camps and not intended to be permanent. There should be a way to remove them really and there's been suggestions about it.
They are easy to set up and WH's have fixed exits to a type of space (such as hi or low sec) so as long as you have a scanner your fine.
As WH's have strict mass limitations its often not worth others attacking them either. That's thankfully not always the case though.
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Lisam
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Posted - 2009.09.14 14:06:00 -
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well, I'd agree on the points that it's easy to set up a POS as a base camp in a WH, and that it's very fun...er..possible to kill/pod everyone within said wormhole and make them lose stuff, BUT. I'd have to argue that it's insanity to buy a POS, set it up, farm the wormhole for a little time, and then just leave it. On top of this, I've NEVER seen it done. Granted, I don't spend all my time roaming WH's looking for this and I'm sure it's out there, but I personally think you'd be clinically insane to do that.
Also, to answer your questions: you just need anchoring to III, some time, (possible corp rights..) and the money. Once that's the case you can set up the POS at any moon and use it as a base of operations. The biggest problems are finding a good WH to suit your needs, and the logistics aspect ( keeping the tower fueled ). Minimum you'll need is a hauler for loot/salvage/goodies/fuel and a defense/site running ship. Also, a lot of people keep an alt with just enough skills to scan in there so they can get back, because if you are completely out of the WH, the chances of finding the same exact one again are slim...
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aka Ishur
Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2009.09.14 15:09:00 -
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Some Advisor
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Posted - 2009.09.14 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Some Advisor on 14/09/2009 16:45:51
aka.. thats weird, i read your post and answered to it.. but now its so empty. not even an edited by :P
but i got ya ;)
Originally by: by reconstructed cache
WH Pos logistics is not fun, but, coming from a corp with 13 POS in a c5 I have to say it is possible.Cool
C5.. that should even get a rorqual/carrier out for logistics i think :P
otherwise, the good old trusted orca :P
and a cubeshítter to make the mined shít much smaller :)
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Sangii
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Posted - 2009.09.14 17:46:00 -
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It is also very possible with a single character and account for a small raiding setup. A small POS, some ECM, a weeks worth of fuel, and a day of stront is about 2 max sized rigged haulers. Costs about 200-300 mil. Setup time is about 1-2 hours. Tear down about 2 hours. Buy a throw away covetor since you aren't getting it out of many holes and the ships you need and you are set for a week. For an active WH its possible to pull out quite a goodly bit of money. Enough to cover your investment and then some.
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Some Advisor
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Posted - 2009.09.14 17:56:00 -
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fullblown "base" in my nifty "hole"
plenty hulks, skiff, gas miners for doing that stuff.
different ships for different tasks (having fun with sleepers, having fun with palyers... having fun buying new ships etc)
so far it gives us money to have that
and i believe thats the goal of the game
"get some money to have fun" :)
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.09.14 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 14/09/2009 21:33:33
Originally by: Lisam
well, I'd agree on the points that it's easy to set up a POS as a base camp in a WH, and that it's very fun...er..possible to kill/pod everyone within said wormhole and make them lose stuff, BUT. I'd have to argue that it's insanity to buy a POS, set it up, farm the wormhole for a little time, and then just leave it. On top of this, I've NEVER seen it done. Granted, I don't spend all my time roaming WH's looking for this and I'm sure it's out there, but I personally think you'd be clinically insane to do that.
Also, to answer your questions: you just need anchoring to III, some time, (possible corp rights..) and the money. Once that's the case you can set up the POS at any moon and use it as a base of operations. The biggest problems are finding a good WH to suit your needs, and the logistics aspect ( keeping the tower fueled ). Minimum you'll need is a hauler for loot/salvage/goodies/fuel and a defense/site running ship. Also, a lot of people keep an alt with just enough skills to scan in there so they can get back, because if you are completely out of the WH, the chances of finding the same exact one again are slim...
I've come across a few poses which seem to be abandoned. In fact I wish there was a way to claim them. While it seems silly to leave a pos behind some players do seem to be doing just that. I doubt they abandoned due to lack of scanners or PVP threats. Maybe they allowed a hole to close behind them with no way back. But the amount of abandoned pos's I see suggest players do sometimes just leave them where they are.
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Some Advisor
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Posted - 2009.09.14 21:35:00 -
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timesink, nuff said :P
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Kalnov
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Posted - 2009.09.14 21:57:00 -
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http://www.fiercewebs.com/arcdragon/EverythingWormhole.pdf
This is your new bible. I suggest you read it at least three times. Ignore the carrier parts if you do not have access to one.
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XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.14 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Some Advisor
timesink, nuff said :P
This to be honest.
But I love it. As does any true w-space resident 
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-Sketch, Certified Pharmacist
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Salient
Caldari
APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2009.09.14 23:41:00 -
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I see lots of POS in W-space. I even caught a mammoth and orca tag-team setting one up. I imagine they were mighty disappointed to lose their ships, POS modules, blueprints...it took a half a dozen hauler loads to pick up all the loot.
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Nishachara
Minmatar
Special Operations Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.15 03:11:00 -
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I see a lot of abandoned ..or just empty POSs in whs..
And imo its cool to see them there it ads to that whole empty, abandoned, unknown and distant space atmosphere the wormholes have...
Sometimes you enter a new previously unexplored wh and when you see abandoned tower ..or ship you ask yourself...what happened here...
It adds more mystery to whs ..i like that :D
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ollobrains
5th Front enterprises
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Posted - 2009.09.15 03:48:00 -
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finding them abandoned and blowing the ct up to scoop the mods or just get a killmail can be fun to
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Wuzer
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Posted - 2009.09.17 13:49:00 -
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My main's corp had a very nice set up in a class 6 for several months, I think at the height of it we had something like 6 or 7 POS set up in the system. Multiple carriers and dreads to defend it, though we never had to. We didnt' get a lot of sites spawning in our own system, but pretty much every day a WH or two would open up to a juicy class 5 loaded with ladar sites. Being in a class 6 you don't encounter many wayward visitors since most of the wh's open up to C5's or 4's.
We had a fleet of probers who would go out every day and hunt down routes to empire from the c6 so we could take loot out and bring pos fuel in. All in all, each of the WH dwellers made at least a billion isk and several made much more in the 3 months we were out there, several of them bought 1 or more T3's with their earnings.
It's a pretty exciting way to live for a while but eventually it gets to be a rather tedious, carebear existence. I don't have an in-game alt so when I finally decided to leave, and come back to empire, I felt like I was the old man in the woods who had emerged after 50 years, seeing people in local and ships flying around that weren't green was kind of scary. Eventually the rest of my corp got out along with all of our stuff. I think our stuff is still scattered across empire at the moment.
One final thought - unless the POS you're seeing in a WH is actually offline - don't count on it being abandoned, its more than likely that the owner(s) have just logged off for the evening. Even if the POS isn't too heavily defended, being in a WH offers quite a bit of security - who wants to risk bringing a dread or a fleet of torp ravens through a wh that could colapse at any time. During our stay we did find a couple POS that were abandoned and offline - those we packed up and brought into our C6.
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Star Defender
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.17 22:38:00 -
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Edited by: Star Defender on 17/09/2009 22:39:34
Zartanic Quote: "...Once done players move on and sometimes leave the pos behind as it can take ages to take down. They are really just like base camps and not intended to be permanent."
As someone that recently abandoned a Medium POS in W-Space, I can tell you that the reason can simply be that after earning Billions of ISK, that entire POS setup get paid for many times over and sometimes you just do not want to spend 3-6 hours un-anchoring every module.
In my case, it would have been many, many hours of un-anchoring before I would be able to transport out the most valuable piece (the tower itself), and I basically decided it was not worth it. I renamed the POS to match this blog post to leave some idea of why a fully fitted POS with all the requisite W-Space modules was set to gather dust...
(edit - fixed link)
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Star Defender
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.17 22:44:00 -
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...And I agree with the earlier post - I wish there was a way to abandon the POS in such a way that someone else could assume ownership, rather than having to unanchor everything, unanchor the POS, THEN give it away. If I was going to spend the time packing everything up, I would have taken it with me.
Would have been happy to see someone profit from my abandoned gear!
Once the shields are down for 24 hours or something, there should be an ability to assume ownership.
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