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Tar Murk
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Posted - 2009.09.13 08:57:00 -
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I am unsure if CCP is aware that by buffing the pirate faction ships their price goes up by 5x atleast.The problem is from the fact that they are hard to obtain for almost any player.
Soo in a attempt to get people to use pirate faction ships you will end up making them even more unacessible.
A sollution for this is to add pirate faction agents to low sec,it will also repopulate low sec with mission runners.
Only 1 thing tho,to not fully collapse the prices,only at lvl 3 agents max in low sec.
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Korell Nova
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Posted - 2009.09.13 09:36:00 -
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wouldnt say 5x as the faction bs have only gone up to 1.8bil now which is a 80% increase from the 1 bil they were at b4
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.09.13 10:12:00 -
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The ashimmu doubled in price in under 24 hours. I agree with the original poster, low sec needs more carebear food and lvl3 and below pirate agents is a good place to start. Should help keep the pirate ships kinda sorta affordable and help the real player pirates too. In fact, no one really suffers from this as the pirate food, err, missioners will also profit from selling the pirate faction stuff. Win all around really.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.09.13 11:03:00 -
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Signed. Good pirate ships is fine. Expensive is fine. Ludicrously pricey to the point where you'd have to be insane or an ISK buyer to fly one is not.
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Lord Ozu
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Posted - 2009.09.13 11:24:00 -
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instead of whining why not go and mission for the pirate corps so you can get hold of the ships/bpc's for yourself?
or are you too used to empire with no risk of losing your ship to other pirates?
risk v reward. if you dont like that and dont want to risk it yourself then you really arent in any position to criticise the prices those ships are sold for.
i live in low sec and empire, i make my own isk, i buy what i want, and i dont whine on the forums about market manipulations by savvy traders when CCP MAY be buffing pirate ships.
kudos to the ppl who saw the announcement thread first and started snapping up every pirate ship/bpc they could lay thier hands on.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.09.13 11:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Lord Ozu
instead of whining why not go and mission for the pirate corps so you can get hold of the ships/bpc's for yourself?
or are you too used to empire with no risk of losing your ship to other pirates?
risk v reward. if you dont like that and dont want to risk it yourself then you really arent in any position to criticise the prices those ships are sold for.
i live in low sec and empire, i make my own isk, i buy what i want, and i dont whine on the forums about market manipulations by savvy traders when CCP MAY be buffing pirate ships.
kudos to the ppl who saw the announcement thread first and started snapping up every pirate ship/bpc they could lay thier hands on.
You're aware a lot of peoples mains are well past the point of no return on pirate standings? Not everyone can afford to get another account to train a mission alt. That's the main reason I've not done it myself ages ago. It's not all about fear of getting ganked.
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Tar Murk
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Posted - 2009.09.13 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Ozu
instead of whining why not go and mission for the pirate corps so you can get hold of the ships/bpc's for yourself?
or are you too used to empire with no risk of losing your ship to other pirates?
risk v reward. if you dont like that and dont want to risk it yourself then you really arent in any position to criticise the prices those ships are sold for.
i live in low sec and empire, i make my own isk, i buy what i want, and i dont whine on the forums about market manipulations by savvy traders when CCP MAY be buffing pirate ships.
kudos to the ppl who saw the announcement thread first and started snapping up every pirate ship/bpc they could lay thier hands on.
You know I wish one day,people would be executed for posting without thinking on the internet...
Have you ever thought that most people are well passed the point where they can recover their pirate faction standing,and alts will have alot of trouble running around most of the NPC 0.0 space.
Now quit QQ ,im sure your isk buying tendacincies to buy up all those BPCs wont go to waste ,well it might if lvl 3 pirate agents are added to low sec,then we can all taste your delicious failbear tears.
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Rivqua
Caldari
Omega Wing
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2009.09.13 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Originally by: Lord Ozu
instead of whining why not go and mission for the pirate corps so you can get hold of the ships/bpc's for yourself?
or are you too used to empire with no risk of losing your ship to other pirates?
risk v reward. if you dont like that and dont want to risk it yourself then you really arent in any position to criticise the prices those ships are sold for.
i live in low sec and empire, i make my own isk, i buy what i want, and i dont whine on the forums about market manipulations by savvy traders when CCP MAY be buffing pirate ships.
kudos to the ppl who saw the announcement thread first and started snapping up every pirate ship/bpc they could lay thier hands on.
You're aware a lot of peoples mains are well past the point of no return on pirate standings? Not everyone can afford to get another account to train a mission alt. That's the main reason I've not done it myself ages ago. It's not all about fear of getting ganked.
But why is that a CCP problem? You took the choice to go -5 with a specific faction. You chose to support their enemies. Now you live with the consequences. You can still just grind isk, and buy the ship you want from the market, or have a friend who is on friendly terms with the pirate factions do the missions for you. Noone is making you make a alt, that's just stupid. EVE is a mmo. And also a mmo where you make difficult choices, and then live with them. (Or your character does atleast).
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.09.13 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 13/09/2009 12:36:37
Originally by: Rivqua
But why is that a CCP problem?
"Hi there! Now you've got a choice, you can grind out in pirate infested hell for this faction which will cripple your empire standings for **** rewards and hilariously gimped ships, or you can run missions that equal or beat 0.0 ratting for cash in the safety of hisec with some pretty awesome LP store stuff on top of it. So what's your choice?"
A few years later
"Hey again guys! Just letting you know that other lot that none of you picked? Yeah their stuff is winsauce now. kk cya! ^_^ oh yeah and you've got no chance at all of switching because the standing system is pretty much the one thing in the game which can get unfixable"
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.09.13 13:20:00 -
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If the proposed changes make it through they should be mad expensive. Price spikes always happen when changes, even bad ones are incoming - they'll drop again soon enough.
All of them are overpowered in their class when compared to anything else on market, some even outclass T2 ships by quite a bit.
Cost in LP store should be doubled too .. 
Price can only really be brought down by making pirate agents more readily available to a larger portion of the player base, like the lowsec solution you suggest.
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HeyDudeWheresMyCar
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Posted - 2009.09.13 13:24:00 -
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isk buyer?!! lmfao, just check my standings you tard before running your mouth^^
and please come visit me, and we'll see who's tears are shed. i shall enjoy salvaging your ship. either way you are a 2 month old toon, try posting with your main. if this is your main then ROFLMFAO.
either way ppl, you decided to mission for high sec factions. its your own fault you cant mission for pirate factions no one elses. so stop complaining.
pirate ships should be high priced, higher powered ships due to the few ppl that actually figure out the standings system before they completely screw themselves up by living/missioning purely for empire navy factions.
it has nothing to do with CCP, the prices are PLAYER determined/manipulated.
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Lord Ozu
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Posted - 2009.09.13 13:31:00 -
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oops posted with my alt 
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2009.09.13 13:57:00 -
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Poor guy yummy tears.
Learn how to earn - these ships are not intended to be used in PvP as widely as t1 BSs. To me it seemed ridiculous that ISK:LP ratio in pirate LP stores was a waay worse than in LP stores of empire factions. Now it's more or less even, maybe slightly better for pirate stores. But pirate faction agent runners have more risk, they should have more reward, eh?
I find price of 1.5-2 bil per faction BS pretty balanced.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.13 16:11:00 -
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As someone who owns most of the pirate ships already, i couldn't care less.
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
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Fenix Inferni
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Posted - 2009.09.14 18:42:00 -
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Sorry guys but i have a probably stupid (and offtopic) question:
Are factions stuff actually available on sisi?
can't find anything for sure in any thread :'(
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Nevada Tan
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Posted - 2009.09.14 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 13/09/2009 12:36:37
Originally by: Rivqua
But why is that a CCP problem?
"Hi there! Now you've got a choice, you can grind out in pirate infested hell for this faction which will cripple your empire standings for **** rewards and hilariously gimped ships, or you can run missions that equal or beat 0.0 ratting for cash in the safety of hisec with some pretty awesome LP store stuff on top of it. So what's your choice?"
A few years later
"Hey again guys! Just letting you know that other lot that none of you picked? Yeah their stuff is winsauce now. kk cya! ^_^ oh yeah and you've got no chance at all of switching because the standing system is pretty much the one thing in the game which can get unfixable"
Sucks to be you, I guess?
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Mioelnir
Minmatar
Meltdown Luftfahrttechnik
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Posted - 2009.09.14 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
You're aware a lot of peoples mains are well past the point of no return on pirate standings? Not everyone can afford to get another account to train a mission alt. That's the main reason I've not done it myself ages ago. It's not all about fear of getting ganked.
People made choices. People now get served the consequences.
Where is the news?
Pirate faction ships do not get introduced as a feature sealed of to 98% of the player base. They've already been there when people made the choice to not pursue that option.
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Azuse
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.14 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tar Murk
I am unsure if CCP is aware that by buffing the pirate faction ships their price goes up by 5x atleast.The problem is from the fact that they are hard to obtain for almost any player.
Soo in a attempt to get people to use pirate faction ships you will end up making them even more unacessible.
A sollution for this is to add pirate faction agents to low sec,it will also repopulate low sec with mission runners.
Only 1 thing tho,to not fully collapse the prices,only at lvl 3 agents max in low sec.
Demonstrates both a knee-jerk reaction and lack of understanding of the long term economic cycle in eve. Well done. Seriously, without an understanding of the former on the latter (which needs an understanding the the latter before the effect of the former on the latter is apparent) it's basically pointless.
3/4 years back pirate bs cost 8-10 (cruisers close to 20 times) times what normal bs cost because they were both rare and incredible killing machines. After the prices have settled they'll still cost 8-10 times and be the death machines they once were.
Oh and your post hinges on the permis that they are ment to be accessible. Hint; rare, expensive ships that (literally) take years to skill for and cost as much again to fit: does that sound like the description of a ship designed to be easily accessible?
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