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Kraizer793
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Posted - 2009.09.14 15:48:00 -
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I haven't been flipped in some time, however now that I have been flipped 4 times within a day is making me very angry. All in different systems, by different people. I sit in my retriever mining veldspar, and drop it into a jet can. A random industrial comes in, gets in just the right spot, to where he can align and get within opening range of my can. very quiclkly, takes it, and warps. I have my drones out, However by the time I lock him, he's already off...to a station, to wait out the aggression timer...Any ideas on how to severely deter / fight back against can stealers?
I'm not a noob, nor am I a hardened war veteran, I'm just a pilot who's mind can think faster than his hands can type. Thus I look like a ****** over 76.1% of the time. |
Drogon
Minmatar
New Eden Yacht Club
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Posted - 2009.09.14 16:02:00 -
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use a secure can instead of jet can.
Director, Divine Retribution
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Villa Wolfsbane
Amarr
Locusts.
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Posted - 2009.09.14 16:08:00 -
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Get a friend in an Orca, mine into the corp hanger
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Dimitryy
Gallente
Ever Flow
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.14 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Dimitryy on 14/09/2009 16:28:38
Buy a GSC
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Jack Blackstone > Dimitryy I hope you die. |
Trevor Sol
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Posted - 2009.09.14 16:46:00 -
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The basic rule here would be not to jet can mine. If you don't like the risk associated with it, don't do it.
There are lots of other ways to mine without running into issues with people stealing your stuff, or suckering you into attacking a baitship.
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Kraizer793
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Posted - 2009.09.14 16:55:00 -
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I have a friend who can ALMOST fly an orca, however he's not going to do it just yet, skillbook = 45m, not fun.
I fill GSC's within a few cycles...and finding a belt that's not overcrowded with them is hard enough. Mining a cargohold full and flying back sn't on my preffered list of things to do either.
I'm not a noob, nor am I a hardened war veteran, I'm just a pilot who's mind can think faster than his hands can type. Thus I look like a ****** over 76.1% of the time. |
Villa Wolfsbane
Amarr
Locusts.
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Posted - 2009.09.14 17:05:00 -
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Mine somewhere quieter?
Or join a corp where you can mine in a gang with hauler/orca support
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Grann Thefauto
Spook Division
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.09.14 17:24:00 -
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Don't mine, go can flip.
Or fit a ship for pvp and mine in it, then take people out when they come bother you. Good therapy.
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Pr0Vaporizer
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Posted - 2009.09.14 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: Pr0Vaporizer on 14/09/2009 17:58:22
Refit your Retriever to scram him and neut/nos him , then drop the drones on him. Leave the station with some ore in your cargo to jet in the belt. You could also leave a single mining lazer to make it look like you are mining to him. lock him up as soon as he enters the belt and scram and fire once he steals.
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Skanufacturing
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Posted - 2009.09.14 18:01:00 -
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The sad truth is, there is always going to be some n00b that can't, or is too lazy to mine their own mins, or some social reject who gets off on ****ing off people who are half afk.
There is no failsafe way to jetcan mine, there's just not.
If you don't have someone to haul, and secure cans aren't for you, then just rig your barge, put cargo expanders in the low slots, and mine till full, dock/dump, repeat.
No good way to go at it solo since folks suck.
-Skan
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Darthewok
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.14 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Darthewok on 14/09/2009 19:13:38
[Retriever, Flipper Ripper]
Co-Processor II
Overdrive Injector System II
Warp Disruptor II
Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I
Targeting System Subcontroller I
Targeting System Subcontroller I
Targeting System Subcontroller I
Warrior II x5
Just keep your cans within warp disruptor range.
The rigs will improve your lock speed considerably.
Another tip is to make many decoy jet cans eg. 5-6 by jettisoning 1 mineral. that way indies have to risk themselves by moving around to find which one is the real can. while they are moving around they will be vulnerable for you to lock, point, and drone them.
woot.
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Firkragg
Blue Labs
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.09.14 20:49:00 -
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run a level 1 mission
clear out the rats but dont hand it in
mine the roids in the missions.
Not perfect but gives a decent number of roids and will keep you out of the way of casual can flippers
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wallenbergaren
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Posted - 2009.09.14 21:11:00 -
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If he steals from you he gets flagged to your whole corp
Whatever you do: don't steal back
Best thing is to have an alt / corpmate on standby in a force recon and have them tackle him while you get some more DPS (or maybe the recon can solo him)
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Tuvar Hiede
Caldari
Obsidian Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.14 22:34:00 -
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If he's in an indy just throw on a web and lock when he warps in. Drones will chew him quickly when he flips.
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Dukault
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Posted - 2009.09.15 02:20:00 -
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You will get your ship blown up if you try to kill industrials. Their corpmates will come kill you or they will come back in a PVP ship and kill you. Don't bother unless you have back up and/or don't mind holding up in a station/safespot for 15 min.
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Lucifer Mullins
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Posted - 2009.09.15 02:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Kraizer793
I have a friend who can ALMOST fly an orca, however he's not going to do it just yet, skillbook = 45m, not fun.
I fill GSC's within a few cycles...and finding a belt that's not overcrowded with them is hard enough. Mining a cargohold full and flying back sn't on my preffered list of things to do either.
Have a friend in a big nasty (or little but nasty) ship fleet with you. Use his/her can. Friend proceeds to waste dumb can-flipper.
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Darthewok
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.15 02:51:00 -
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Edited by: Darthewok on 15/09/2009 02:54:53
retriever cargo hold sux so mining to hold and docking is too frequent.
but soon you can fly a covetor and hulk and those have decent holds to mine into and dock.
all expanded cargoholds and small cargo optimization I rigs (cheap at around 2 mil each)
actually i see empire mining become a less and less attractive way to make ISK. more competition for the belts with hulks and even orca and hulk gangs, falling mineral prices, increasing number of can flippers, increasing number of griefers ganking hulks. if making ISK is your goal, save yourself the hassle and go missioning or trade instead as you make more ISK that way. i trained hulk but now regret it as i never use it. should have trained all combat skills instead...
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Lt Forge
Pilots From Honour
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.09.15 07:50:00 -
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Tip: Don't mine in Caldari space.
Better tip: Don't do any stuff in Caldari space AT ALL.
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Triethylene
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Posted - 2009.09.15 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Triethylene on 15/09/2009 14:55:42
Do some safespot jetcanning!
Make a safespot right outside of your belt. Preferably that safespot is not between the station and the belt, but rather between two belts, so people warping in on the belt will not see the can flash on their overview as they warp in.
Get the safespot right outside the belt too, you don't want to spend too much time in warp, the closer the better. With some practice you will be able to get real close.
Now once your in your safespot, jettison your ore. Head back to the belt, it's a good idea to have a spot in the belt you like bookmarked too, so you don't waste time burning to the roids.
Start mining. Now to save time, while your mining, and your ship is not moving, align to your safespot by warping to your safespot, only cancel your warp (ctrl-space). Your ship will swing around 180 degrees and you will have plenty of time to cancel it. Now you are aligned to your safespot. To save some more time, near the end of your cycle, you can start your ship moving so you get your speed up to the required 3/4 of full speed to initiate warp. With practice you will be in warp to your safespot the instant your cargohold is full (even before your strips fully shut off). Drop ore in jetcan safespot. Since your not moving very fast at all once your at your can, your ship will swing around 180 degrees again pretty fast. Pick up with industrial at your leisure.
I've had up to 5 full cans sitting out in space. You have to manage time by refreshing your cans every hour or so, but no big deal.
You will save a ton of time vs. dropping every load off at the station. You can be back at the roids after dropping off a load in under a minute.
Apart from that, mine in missions. I've never been bothered there.
Oh, and in the belt, leave a jetcan with a can of Quafe or 1 unit of Veld to irritate the little buggers.
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Tuvar Hiede
Caldari
Obsidian Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.15 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dukault
You will get your ship blown up if you try to kill industrials. Their corpmates will come kill you or they will come back in a PVP ship and kill you. Don't bother unless you have back up and/or don't mind holding up in a station/safespot for 15 min.
Well partly true, they are only aggroed to you not there corp, so popping the indy and docking makes it less desirable to flip your can.
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fmercury
Club Bear
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Posted - 2009.09.15 18:59:00 -
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Get out of high-sec.
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Devine Winds
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Posted - 2009.09.17 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Grann Thefauto
Don't mine, go can flip.
Or fit a ship for pvp and mine in it, then take people out when they come bother you. Good therapy.
this. I use an osprey fitted with light assault missiles and 4 hobgob II's and a miner II. I killed a rigged rifter this way, before rigs were cheap :D extra points if you dont turn your mining lasers off while you kill the flipper
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Gordin Brott
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.17 19:23:00 -
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Have a friend in another corp sitting at range from you with a sniper ship fitted with a passive targeter. Mine into one of his cans. If the flipper isn't paying too much attention, the first warning he gets is when the sniper alpha strikes him halfway through Structure.
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Drago Salteri
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Posted - 2009.09.19 15:32:00 -
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The sniper bs will work, and give you some much needed LoL's in the process.
Here's the thing. In hi-sec, all you need to do is ask for help with a can flipper and most likely you get it. The problem is, it's 200 carebears telling you how to take him out, zero offering to physically help with taking him out, 100 telling you not to mine into a jetcan, and roughly 50 are packing up their jetcan and heading to station while telling you how easy it is to get rid of the thief.
Isn't this fun?
My advice: Join a corp, don't smack in local (this attracts attention and attention = wardecs), move to a secluded system.
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Chris Reiter
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Posted - 2009.09.19 21:59:00 -
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Pay attention, if they get within 5 kms of the can destroy it with the drones. You loose the ore, but at least they didn't get it.
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Jate Gunma
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Posted - 2009.09.21 02:57:00 -
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Here's something fun to do. Get a friend with a cloak to drop the can, then start mining to it and have them hide.
When they flip the can, your buddy can uncloak and fire on them. Practically every time I've tried this, they panic and fire on you....and here comes Concord.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.21 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jate Gunma
Here's something fun to do. Get a friend with a cloak to drop the can, then start mining to it and have them hide.
When they flip the can, your buddy can uncloak and fire on them. Practically every time I've tried this, they panic and fire on you....and here comes Concord.
Then you've met idiots or you're telling crap, can info shows the owner, the flashy one shows who's shooting and the "are you sure" message shows them they're about to make a mistake. Also decloaking in a recon is kinda bloody obvious.
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Lee Dalton
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.09.21 06:56:00 -
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Don't jetcan mine.
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You're only as good as your last fight. |
Labombecochone
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Posted - 2009.09.21 07:44:00 -
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Marko it's a way of scamming. Some people have this message turned off because they know when concorde are agroed, so this could work. Mine in .7 and anchor it with a password is the best solution.
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Codo Yagari
Epitoth Guard
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.21 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gordin Brott
Have a friend in another corp sitting at range from you with a sniper ship fitted with a passive targeter. Mine into one of his cans. If the flipper isn't paying too much attention, the first warning he gets is when the sniper alpha strikes him halfway through Structure.
This one is really good. Must be tested!
Long live high sec mining with jetcans!
Give the canflippers nothing, not a single unit of veldspar!
Never give up!
Courage and Honour!
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