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Kayosoni
Caldari
Ghosting Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.15 04:51:00 -
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Edited by: Kayosoni on 15/09/2009 04:53:04
Ok so you give guristas ship a missile velocity bonus, drones, and resistances.
The resistance bonus means it's good for getting up close and personal, and being a more "solopwn" ship. Drones are also good for being a "solopwn" ship. Solopwn ships require to get within warp scrambling range. warp scrambling range is 9000m.
I'm pretty sure torps go farther than 9km without a velocity bonus, so don't need that there.
Oh, maybe you are expecting everyone that uses this to be as rich as me and have as many alts as me, and be able to stick a Vulture with 7 maxed gang mods + implant in the system at all times with myself, so I can buy and fit a Tobias warp disrupter for 5 billion isk, and get my warp disrupting range up to 45km to match the range of my missiles?
So to recap, what's the difference between how useless this bonus is, and how useless the hybrid damage bonus was? At least with that bonus you COULD get some extra damage.
This bonus does absolutely NOTHING.
So explain why you think it does.
Thanks.
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Sith LordX
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Posted - 2009.09.15 05:16:00 -
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You fail, you don't understand how much time it takes for a missile to get to from point a to point b. They need the bonus for 1, they couldn't catch fast boats, they still don't do full damage to fast boats, it also increases range, it gets there faster.
This is why this bonus is useful. Go whine and rant about something else, guns insta hit whatever it is, missiles take alot of time before they reach their target. Same with drones.
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Ace2001
Caldari
Steele-Moose Astrodynamics Research
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Posted - 2009.09.15 05:38:00 -
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Still as opinionated as ever, kayo? :P
I have to admit I don't know THAT much about missiles. As I only use them for PVE and not PVP. (For now. Put far too much time into my gunnery skills compared to missiles.)
But what the guy above me said sounds pretty good.
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Kayosoni
Caldari
Ghosting Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.15 05:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Sith LordX
You fail, you don't understand how much time it takes for a missile to get to from point a to point b. They need the bonus for 1, they couldn't catch fast boats, they still don't do full damage to fast boats, it also increases range, it gets there faster.
This is why this bonus is useful. Go whine and rant about something else, guns insta hit whatever it is, missiles take alot of time before they reach their target. Same with drones.
You dont know anything about missiles. Velocity bonus for close range missiles (torps) is pointless.
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Xing Fey
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Posted - 2009.09.15 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kayosoni
Originally by: Sith LordX
You fail, you don't understand how much time it takes for a missile to get to from point a to point b. They need the bonus for 1, they couldn't catch fast boats, they still don't do full damage to fast boats, it also increases range, it gets there faster.
This is why this bonus is useful. Go whine and rant about something else, guns insta hit whatever it is, missiles take alot of time before they reach their target. Same with drones.
You dont know anything about missiles. Velocity bonus for close range missiles (torps) is pointless.
Well, not "entirely" pointless, but considering the low amount of launcher slots on these ships, generaly undesirable.
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.09.15 06:17:00 -
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i sure as heck wouldn't get into 20km range of an unbonused torp ship if i didnt have to - let alone 10.8km (heat). and i'm only inside 30km 'cause i forgot to bring a claymore to boost my warp disruptor range -.-
the phoon has the speed to bring its torp damage to the enemy, yes, something i would never associate with kitchen cabinets like raven or rattler
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.09.15 06:33:00 -
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Torp speed x Flight time = Distance.
Slow speed = shorter distance. Higher speed = greater distance.
Speed may not be important when you're 2.5 km from a target, but when that targets 30-40 km away, you might want a little more speed.
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Kayosoni
Caldari
Ghosting Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.15 07:13:00 -
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javelins have 30km range and 25 less dps than normal torps (4 unbonused launchers)
plenty of range.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.09.15 09:01:00 -
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Edited by: Gypsio III on 15/09/2009 09:07:13
Clueless.
Solo ships don't want to get within scrambler range, they want to hang about at about 20 km so they can attempt to disengage when local spikes (nerf local btw). Drones mean that you don't need to get to 2 km but can sit at range. The missile velocity bonus supports this.
Bringing torps into your solo argument is absurd, as 1v1 balance means very little to BS. The extra 10 km range, from ~19 km to ~29 km, represents an important part of combat space.
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Lialem
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Posted - 2009.09.16 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kayosoni
You dont know anything about missiles. Velocity bonus for close range missiles (torps) is pointless.
LOOOOOOL, you sir have absolutely no idea, keep ratting.
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Sith LordX
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Posted - 2009.09.16 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Sith LordX on 16/09/2009 16:27:08
Your just a noob who got pawned by a raven pilot who poped you with long range torps prob with missile speed and flight time rigs and poped you at 60km's away in a fleet. So your mad you got owned by T2 missiles and have to complain about everything.
PS: Almost every caldari ship (Specially T2) have a missile speed bonus. 
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CCP Casqade
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Posted - 2009.09.16 16:32:00 -
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Please remember to keep discussion on constructive. There are as many opinions about eve as there are players. Be polite or don't post on this forum, please.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2009.09.16 18:36:00 -
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What would be great is if the velocity bonus were paired with an explosion velocity bonus: even if, say, the worms missiles and rockets can physically hit a fast moving frigate (like an AF with the new AB bonus) it's going to do terribly low damage.
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Opertone
Caldari
Monsters
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Posted - 2009.09.16 20:22:00 -
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explosion veloctiy. For everyone!
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