Originally by: HeliosGal

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so make the phoenix bigger, still yet to see pirate faction dread and carrier blueprints yet. They could have 20 % boost over normal.

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Originally by: Oljud Zork

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Originally by: Battle Tested

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Edited by: Battle Tested on 12/10/2009 14:59:51

Originally by: EdFromHumanResources

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Edited by: EdFromHumanResources on 13/10/2009 08:26:53
Models need to be larger. Phoenix is currently larger than most the MS. That's complete bull**** since it can dock.

Also we either need the ability to dock or carry both fighters and bombers, full 20 drone flights of each. Asking something that can't dock to redo your fit every engagement to be flexible is downright unrealistic. Unless each of us gets a personal CHA stocked with fighters there isnt jack we can do beyond hauling 5+ loads of fighters back and forth every time we want to fight.

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During Fanfest did I participate in the roundtable discussion about capitals. I asked if we would see three separate bays on Super Carriers; one for Fighters, one for Fighter Bombers and a regular drone bay. The answer was NO. Fighters and Fighter Bombers will share one and the same bay, and regular "vanilla" drones would be in a bay separated from the Fighters/Fighter Bombers Bay. Meaning you have to decide how many spare Fighter Bombers you want to have and still being able to launch regular Fighters.

After arguing the entire day over irc with mothership pilots that actually fly the ships, (remember my first post? I am a dedicated Archon pilot, nothing else) I must admit that it is hard to stock up the drones and refit depending on the task that the SC will do in the fleet. Yes 20 regular fighters are nice dps and the arguments that I presented in my previous post about stripping the carrier of one of its roles, the use of fighters against BS fleets, and that it would render people to switch to SC instead of carriers might be to bold said of me. The new SC will still come with a nice price of 11-12 Billions (without the fittings...) and you can by 11 Thannys for that price. The cost benefit calculation will force some people to stick to their carriers since they can¦t handle the lost isk if they are shoot down.

This conclusion lead to only one thing, all the Super Carrier need a larger Fighter/Fighter Bomber bay. And the only SC who can field a full set of FB and Fighters are the Nyx.

The Nyx has room for 22 Fighter Bombers (7500m3/drone * 22 = 165 000m3) and 20 Fighters (4000m3/drone * 20 = 80 000m3) The total drone bay are 250 000m3 = used space Fighters + Fighter Bombers 245 000m3 this gives 5000m3 to tinker around with vanilla drones.
Compare this to the Aeon which have a drone bay of 200 000m3 and this gives 20 Fighter Bombers (7500/drone * 20 = 150 000m3) and 12 Fighters (4000m3/drone * 12 = 48 000m3) and left are only 2000m3 for vanilla drones.

I am not going to go emo about this, the issue are now pointed out to CCP to think of when they balance the Super Carriers against each other. The fact that we will have different FB¦s/Fighters bay separated from the regular drone bay will make it a lot easier to decide if to:

* Field a full set of Bombers and keep spare bombers and nearly no fighters, or the vice versa.
* Or go for a mix with no spare FB and not being able to field a maximum of regular Fighters, or the vice versa.

You are still being able to bring all the vanilla drones you like and I hope that all the Super Carriers will receive a regular drone bay larger then 4000-5000m3...


Regards

Zork

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I completely agree with this post.

Originally by: Haxfar Portlaind

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Does anyone have pics of the other fighter-bombers?

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Originally by: HeliosGal

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figther bombers on NPC level 5 missions, anamolies and sleeper sites ? thoughts

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Originally by: CCP Abathur

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A few quick updates:

Supercarriers will not be docking in Dominion. If this ever happens it will be the result of a very expensive infrastructure or outpost upgrade.

The Hel has had its hit points adjusted to reflect a primary shield tanking role.

All Supercarriers have had their base jump drive range increased from 4LY to 5 LY.

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Originally by: Buxaroo

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Originally by: EdFromHumanResources

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This really better be a typo Seleene or you just undid all the good work you've done on these ships.

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It ****ing better be a typo. If not, there is ZERO point in having a super carrier. Great, 20 bil isk ship no more effective than a 2 bil dreadnaught. Yeah, thanks for that......

Anyone want to buy a ****ing Wyvern?

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