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Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:08:00 -
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Information Agent
Apparently Miners
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:36:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Disruptive events such as Permageddon create opportunities for profit that can be exploited by the intelligent, the daring, and the creative.
Highsec miners, being none of these things, are unable to take advantage.
Lets ask Chribba about that statement shall we? |
ian papabear
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:57:00 -
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Covert Kitty wrote:It seems to me (if I were a miner) I would be happy as hell seeing my competition getting blown up. It's easy to avoid getting ganked by simply moving to some backwater system, or simply paying attention. Using cheaper mining ships with a higher risk vs reward ratio would also ensure I profit from the situation at large. Prices go up, and the miners make more money right?
So why the sh|t-storm? Or is it that only the incompetent miners are here complaining to everyone?
Do you see PvP'ers complaining that they have to watch dscan, or align at the right time? Do you see PvP'ers complaining that they lost their shiny ship? (don't be pedantic here, I'm not talking about unfortunate events like lag)
So what makes you special? The moment any of us undock, you are checking the yes box to pvp. IMO highsec is far too uniform and safe as it is.
eh rookie ship suicide gank your own hulk have concord sit in the belt with you for a few hours , youre safe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_FJBdQUAO4 |
Spikeflach
Echo's of Liberty Dominatus Atrum Mortis
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:01:00 -
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ian papabear wrote:
eh rookie ship suicide gank your own hulk have concord sit in the belt with you for a few hours , youre safe
Didn't someone somewhere say that pulling concord is an exploit? |
Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.07 18:11:00 -
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Covert Kitty wrote:AllUrIskRBelongToMeToo wrote:People like to confuse the idea of high security systems to 0.0 systems. Somehow they moronically get it into their heads that all areas of the game need to be the same security rating. They think that because someone has access to veldspar that it is on par with 0.0 ores, therefore they should assume the same level of risk. That is absolutely stupid. Your absolutely correct, for example, highsec miners make an improper risk/reward decision when they use a 200mil ship for an income of like 5-10mil/hr. If your in nullsec, you can apparently make more like 90-100mil /hr. That ratio is completely, utterly, out of line, and yes you would be "absolutely stupid" to make that choice. It's like using an officer fit nightmare run missions. Sure, people do it, but people pay for it pretty regularly as well. If your goal is to make isk, fly a ship that best matches your expected income. That's the whole point
Agreed.
A few months ago, I attracted the attention of mission gankers. This isn't usually a problem with me ...and these mission gankers tried to nab me several times over 2 weeks and they...didn't....lack imagination.
I had to sit back and analyze why I was targeted. Did my big mouth irritate someone? Always a possibility :). However, I looked at my missioning ship and realized that I had had 'module creep' and that my ship was much more shiney than it used to be. I didn't do this concsiously but it happened.
Therefore, I re-adjusted my fit back to more sanity...and haven't had much trouble since.
Proper equipment (risk) for the appropriate reward. If you can't make Isk without huge risk then it isn't an activity one should be doing. |
Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.07 18:11:00 -
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Nuela wrote:Covert Kitty wrote:[quote=AllUrIskRBelongToMeToo]People like to confuse the idea of high security systems to 0.0 systems. Somehow they moronically get it into their heads that all areas of the game need to be the same security rating. They think that because someone has access to veldspar that it is on par with 0.0 ores, therefore they should assume the same level of risk. That is absolutely stupid. Your absolutely correct, for example, highsec miners make an improper risk/reward decision when they use a 200mil ship for an income of like 5-10mil/hr. If your in nullsec, you can apparently make more like 90-100mil /hr. That ratio is completely, utterly, out of line, and yes you would be "absolutely stupid" to make that choice. It's like using an officer fit nightmare run missions. Sure, people do it, but people pay for it pretty regularly as well. If your goal is to make isk, fly a ship that best matches your expected income. That's the whole point
Agreed.
A few months ago, I attracted the attention of mission gankers. This isn't usually a problem with me ...and these mission gankers tried to nab me several times over 2 weeks and they...didn't....lack imagination.
I had to sit back and analyze why I was targeted. Did my big mouth irritate someone? Always a possibility :). However, I looked at my missioning ship and realized that I had had 'module creep' and that my ship was much more shiney than it used to be. I didn't do this concsiously but it happened.
Therefore, I re-adjusted my fit back to more sanity...and haven't had much trouble since.
Proper equipment (risk) for the appropriate reward. If you can't make Isk without undo risk then it isn't an activity one should be doing. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2012.06.07 19:01:00 -
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Covert Kitty wrote:point of view Because there is more than one person playing eve....
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
WolfeReign
The Dead Rabbit Society
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Posted - 2012.06.07 19:08:00 -
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Covert Kitty wrote:It seems to me (if I were a miner) I would be happy as hell seeing my competition getting blown up. It's easy to avoid getting ganked by simply moving to some backwater system, or simply paying attention. Using cheaper mining ships with a higher risk vs reward ratio would also ensure I profit from the situation at large. Prices go up, and the miners make more money right?
So why the sh|t-storm? Or is it that only the incompetent miners are here complaining to everyone?
Do you see PvP'ers complaining that they have to watch dscan, or align at the right time? Do you see PvP'ers complaining that they lost their shiny ship? (don't be pedantic here, I'm not talking about unfortunate events like lag)
So what makes you special? The moment any of us undock, you are checking the yes box to pvp. IMO highsec is far too uniform and safe as it is.
To me Hulkageddon is a time of opportunity because all of the ore I mine sells for more :) my alt hasn't lost a hulk yet to hulkageddon |
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2012.06.07 20:17:00 -
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Research Barbie wrote:..... So the Dessie ganker has become what he hates. A risk averse Hi Sec NPC alt mostly, who flies around in a ship unsuited for combat because he is safe from being aggressed, and attacks ships with basically the same aggressive capacity as a rock, mining miners.
..... Hulkageddon. When this one was announced I starting training up some alts so I could attack the dessie gankers until I figured out that there was no way to defeat a dessie in the time frame available with a ship that economically justified the attack.
I'll admit I havn't looked into this carefully but, I find it hard to believe that you can't tank a hulk against a destroyers suicide gank attempt. Or is it that they do it with several at once?
------------- Below here is not directed at the above quote ----------------
Regardless, one really shouldn't be flying a hulk to mine in highsec if your not willing to pay attention to local, short range dscan, and not be afk, the risk/reward ratio is simply not justifiable. Lets say your hulk is worth 250 mil, and your pulling in 23 mil /hr mining in highsec (I'm just guessing at these numbers, so forgive me if I'm somewhat off, focus on my core point)
250 / 23 = 10 hrs to pay for your hulk should you be destroyed
say a covetor costs you about 35? Perhaps your profitability drops a little? I was told they are about 80% as effective as a hulk.
35 / 19 = 1.8 hrs to pay off the ship
So, if your prone to getting ganked, or you plan on not paying attention / going afk etc. Match your risk, with your expected rewards such that you WILL be making a consistent profit. Remember the goal is to make isk, not loose it. Note here that I'm not saying don't go afk, we all take measured risks regularly in this game. I'm saying that if you do decide to take on extra risk, ensure you are aware of it, and manage that risk so you don't get bit harder than you want. When you undock, assume your going to die sooner or later. |
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