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Culmen
0utLaw. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.06.06 01:56:00 -
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Seriously CCP.
It offensive that gender is a boolean value. It should be a slider. There is a fine line between a post and a signature. |

Headerman1
The New Era C0NVICTED
15
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Posted - 2012.06.06 01:59:00 -
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Male. Female. Futa. |

Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
288
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Posted - 2012.06.06 02:05:00 -
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I would be happy to play a gelatinous cube.  Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Tysinger
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
11
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Posted - 2012.06.06 02:07:00 -
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Culmen, do you like Rainbows? Just askin :) |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
26
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Posted - 2012.06.06 02:08:00 -
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Culmen wrote:Seriously CCP.
It offensive that gender is a boolean value. It should be a slider.
Hur dur , derpity herpity dur hur derp |

Culmen
0utLaw. Northern Coalition.
80
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Posted - 2012.06.06 02:14:00 -
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Tysinger wrote:Culmen, do you like Rainbows? Just askin :)
Depends on the kind There is a fine line between a post and a signature. |

Spineker
193
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Posted - 2012.06.06 02:22:00 -
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Cause they are all broken in the head to start with so they choose little girl looking avatars to flap over.
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Shad0wsFury
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
66
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Posted - 2012.06.06 02:24:00 -
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inb4 Backdoor Bandit |

EVE Roy Mustang
State War Academy Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.06.06 02:24:00 -
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Headerman1 wrote:Male. Female. Futa.
whats futa? |

Ituhata Saken
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
261
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Posted - 2012.06.06 02:25:00 -
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They should have detachable parts, for the transgender on the go. You know what an answer is? It's a terminus -- an end. Answers are fine, but questions are where it's at. Questions bring us closer to understanding, -áthey can start a conversation or spark a revolution. So you might as well start asking... now.-á ~See you on the other side 6/6/12~ |
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Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
16
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Posted - 2012.06.06 02:26:00 -
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EVE Roy Mustang wrote:Headerman1 wrote:Male. Female. Futa. whats futa? Futanari. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Onyx Nyx
Perkone Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.06.06 02:28:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:EVE Roy Mustang wrote:Headerman1 wrote:Male. Female. Futa. whats futa? Futanari.
Yeah, there is no amount of drugs or therapy to undo that from Culmen's mind now. |

Culmen
0utLaw. Northern Coalition.
81
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Posted - 2012.06.06 03:01:00 -
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Onyx Nyx wrote:Makkal Hanaya wrote:EVE Roy Mustang wrote:Headerman1 wrote:Male. Female. Futa. whats futa? Futanari. Yeah, there is no amount of drugs or therapy to undo that from Culmen's mind now.
The image only rates 1.3 on the hentai scale of grossnuss.
Things missing from the image that are probably won't make past the language filter:
Tentacle **** Penetration by **** Electrified ***** Spiked ****** Pneumatic Piston Driven ***** ******** unconsensual *** with a minor unconsensual *** with a neo-natal unconsensual *** with a ******* ****** in the *** by ******
There is a fine line between a post and a signature. |

Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.06.06 03:08:00 -
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Triumvirate get out |

Nikodiemus
Jokulhlaup
27
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Posted - 2012.06.06 03:10:00 -
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Against nature and God's order? |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1792
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Posted - 2012.06.06 03:12:00 -
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Culmen wrote:****** with a ****** during **** ********* ******** ********in *******
I know exactly what you mean. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.06.06 03:13:00 -
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I can see this *actual* hate-mongering thread going places.
Hint: it's the recycle bin. |

Rustling
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 03:22:00 -
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I think we need Dreddit in here to explain what CIS Privilege is. |

Headerman1
The New Era C0NVICTED
18
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Posted - 2012.06.06 03:25:00 -
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Culmen wrote:Onyx Nyx wrote:Makkal Hanaya wrote:EVE Roy Mustang wrote:Headerman1 wrote:Male. Female. Futa. whats futa? Futanari. Yeah, there is no amount of drugs or therapy to undo that from Culmen's mind now. The image only rates 1.3 on the hentai scale of grossnuss. Things missing from the image that are probably won't make past the language filter: Tentacle **** Penetration by **** Electrified ***** Spiked ****** Pneumatic Piston Driven ***** ******** unconsensual *** with a minor unconsensual *** with a neo-natal unconsensual *** with a ******* ****** in the *** by ****** Assault with a deadly weapon with intention to ***** ****** with a ****** during **** ********* ******** ********in ******* Unlawful use of vegetable produce
The king of **** has spoken! |

Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
16
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Posted - 2012.06.06 03:31:00 -
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Rustling wrote:I think we need Dreddit in here to explain what CIS Privilege is. That's one of my favorite shows. I like the gothy girl who works in the lab. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Rustling
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 03:35:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:Rustling wrote:I think we need Dreddit in here to explain what CIS Privilege is. That's one of my favorite shows. I like the gothy girl who works in the lab.
That's what I thought it was about to. But apparently I was horribly mistaken. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1246
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Posted - 2012.06.06 04:27:00 -
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Xenuria? Is that you? |

Xenuria
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
535
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Posted - 2012.06.18 03:53:00 -
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How the hell did this thread slip past me?
Ok
This game perpetuates Cis privilege in a very huge way. One would think that in the future where everybody has warp speed and spaceships that can melt **** with mass acceleration cannons we would have some freaking equality...
but noooooooooo...
Only 2 sexes? Really CCP?
Sex specific clothing? Really?
For shame... Will consult for ISK |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1949
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Posted - 2012.06.18 04:00:00 -
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And yet you declare your hatred of people of certain orientations, calling them pedophiles and zoophiles. Ho's that work, Xenu? This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
133
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Posted - 2012.06.18 04:01:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:Sex specific clothing? Really? This annoys me as well. It makes sense for some clothing to be gender specific, but it can be annoying at times.
[img]http://cdn.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/NeX_new_clothing-527x332.png[/img]
In the future, women soldiers will wear large, cumbersome belts that aren't that attractive, but which do emphasize their waist to hip ratio. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1243
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Posted - 2012.06.18 04:05:00 -
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In the future the gay gene was found and eliminated, hth |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8024
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Posted - 2012.06.18 04:13:00 -
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Culmen wrote:It offensive that gender is a boolean value. It should be a slider. How do you create a slider for a social construct?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
145
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Posted - 2012.06.18 04:23:00 -
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I think it's offensive that I should have to choose between flying a scorpion and a slasher. It should be a sliding value. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |

Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1487
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Posted - 2012.06.18 04:31:00 -
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I demand you treat me like everyone else I demand stuff because I'm different
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1950
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Posted - 2012.06.18 04:40:00 -
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Morganta wrote:I demand you treat me like everyone else I demand stuff because I'm different
Hey. Don't you talk smack about the feminist movement. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
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Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.06.18 04:54:00 -
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your avatar could have no discernable gender, its supposed to be a clone, after all. so who cares about a walking piece of vat-grown meat that will soon get blown into atoms, only to be replaced by an identical vat-grown walking piece of meat. Nothing Personal - Just Business...
Chaos Creates Content |

Trollin
Drunken Traders
96
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Posted - 2012.06.18 05:13:00 -
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because there are none? You are your own worst enemy. |

Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.06.18 05:17:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:How the hell did this thread slip past me?
Ok
This game perpetuates Cis privilege in a very huge way. One would think that in the future where everybody has warp speed and spaceships that can melt **** with mass acceleration cannons we would have some freaking equality...
but noooooooooo...
Only 2 sexes? Really CCP?
Sex specific clothing? Really?
For shame... second page, for shame. for shame. guy on foreground: me posting guy in background: you |

Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
135
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Posted - 2012.06.18 05:39:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Culmen wrote:It offensive that gender is a boolean value. It should be a slider. How do you create a slider for a social construct?
It might not be perfectly accurate... although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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NJDruid
Killer Carebears Inc.
2
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Posted - 2012.06.18 05:49:00 -
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Must be because Im old but I havnt got a clue what this thread is about lol.
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Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
135
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Posted - 2012.06.18 05:54:00 -
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NJDruid wrote:Must be because Im old but I havnt got a clue what this thread is about lol. Basically, people who don't conform to gender norms. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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NJDruid
Killer Carebears Inc.
2
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Posted - 2012.06.18 05:57:00 -
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Oh ic ok . |

Alexa Coates
The Scope Gallente Federation
144
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Posted - 2012.06.18 06:14:00 -
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This is eve online. we're humans. This isn't equal rights for everyone online. I mean for fucks sake one of the races are slave drivers. Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
31
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Posted - 2012.06.18 07:56:00 -
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Nikodiemus wrote:Against nature and God's order?
what? who's this ...god you are talking of? |

Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
135
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Posted - 2012.06.18 09:37:00 -
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Why only adults? I want to be an 8 year old girl. Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity. |
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ISD Stensson
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
8

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Posted - 2012.06.18 09:43:00 -
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Thread moved from "EVE General Discussion" to "Features & Ideas Discussion" forum. ISD Stensson Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.06.18 09:59:00 -
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Vicky Somers wrote:Why only adults? I want to be an 8 year old girl.
Im afraid but this thread is about earthworms.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1774
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Posted - 2012.06.18 13:54:00 -
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This again?
Because 99% of Eve players would choose one or the other. And because you can craft your character be a very masculine woman or a very feminine man, giving you much of the variance that a few people seem to crave. And probably because that would be some tedious programming for a small feature that would primarily be used by guys who think it's hilarious to create outrageous characters. Just look at what's been done with the current tools.
Let's just pretend that in the year 30,000 AD or whatever it is, there are no trannies or intersex individuals. It's just a part of the dystopian future where such behavior was suppressed through some mechanic or another and no longer occurs. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Xenuria
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
536
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Posted - 2012.06.18 15:34:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:This again?
Because 99% of Eve players would choose one or the other. And because you can craft your character be a very masculine woman or a very feminine man, giving you much of the variance that a few people seem to crave. And probably because that would be some tedious programming for a small feature that would primarily be used by guys who think it's hilarious to create outrageous characters. Just look at what's been done with the current tools.
Let's just pretend that in the year 30,000 AD or whatever it is, there are no trannies or intersex individuals. It's just a part of the dystopian future where such behavior was suppressed through some mechanic or another and no longer occurs.
According to the lore Cis Gendered pure-blood gallente don't exist. Whereas amarr are very much full of cis privilege and religiosity. I for one think that we should be given the option to be something non-cis. Right now that is not possible due to makeup and clothing exclusivity. Will consult for ISK |

OlRotGut
24
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Posted - 2012.06.18 15:44:00 -
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I had assumed the scientists of new eden cleaned up the gene pool....
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Sardek Nardan
Khanid Constructions
1
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:04:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:This again?
Because 99% of Eve players would choose one or the other. And because you can craft your character be a very masculine woman or a very feminine man, giving you much of the variance that a few people seem to crave. And probably because that would be some tedious programming for a small feature that would primarily be used by guys who think it's hilarious to create outrageous characters. Just look at what's been done with the current tools.
Let's just pretend that in the year 30,000 AD or whatever it is, there are no trannies or intersex individuals. It's just a part of the dystopian future where such behavior was suppressed through some mechanic or another and no longer occurs. According to the lore Cis Gendered pure-blood gallente don't exist. Whereas amarr are very much full of cis privilege and religiosity. I for one think that we should be given the option to be something non-cis. Right now that is not possible due to makeup and clothing exclusivity. Is it possible for normal people which first language is not English and who do not really care about such issue to not use weird words such as "Cis" what the hell is that suppose to mean (I supposed it was "normal" gender).
Finally what would slider be for? I mean you are either male or female at birth, after that you have the character creator to do a feminine guy or a masculine gal. As you cannot see player genitalia, I do not see what you want more? Make up? |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1775
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:06:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:According to the lore Cis Gendered pure-blood gallente don't exist. Whereas amarr are very much full of cis privilege and religiosity. I for one think that we should be given the option to be something non-cis. Right now that is not possible due to makeup and clothing exclusivity. I for one think you're investing entirely too much effort into a profile picture and avatar that only you can see.
Also, I'd rather not see what some members of the community would come up with given tranny characters on the current system. Perhaps one of CCP's reservations is an attempt to maintain a level of "decency" in character design; I know that I wouldn't enable tranny characters until I was confident they would be presented in a tasteful manner. Done wrong, it could easily result in offensive avatars that insult the community you seek to empower. Tread carefully. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1775
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:13:00 -
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Sardek Nardan wrote:As you cannot see player genitalia, I do not see what you want more? Make up? I believe what they want is to see the female clothing and makeup on men, and vice versa.
One challenge I see to that is that male and female bodies are very different (on average). Our proportions differ and most clothing cut for women would be a poor fit for men. The challenge there for the art team is making clothing that works for both sexes.
Remember guys that you're asking for a significant effort on the part of the art team. This isn't just a matter of making skirts appear in the man's "closet". The skirt will need to be recreated to fit the man properly, and the male models themselves might need to be reworked in order to properly wear a skirt. In fact, they would probably need a different walking animation in order for the skirt to look right.
While we're asking for new artwork...can I get a kilt and some blue face paint? FREEDOM!!! It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Sardek Nardan
Khanid Constructions
1
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:16:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Sardek Nardan wrote:As you cannot see player genitalia, I do not see what you want more? Make up? I believe what they want is to see the female clothing and makeup on men, and vice versa. One challenge I see to that is that male and female bodies are very different (on average). Our proportions differ and most clothing cut for women would be a poor fit for men. The challenge there for the art team is making clothing that works for both sexes. Remember guys that you're asking for a significant effort on the part of the art team. This isn't just a matter of making skirts appear in the man's "closet". The skirt will need to be recreated to fit the man properly, and the male models themselves might need to be reworked in order to properly wear a skirt. In fact, they would probably need a different walking animation in order for the skirt to look right. While we're asking for new artwork...can I get a kilt and some blue face paint? FREEDOM!!!
Hum, I already imagine the "tasty" character that would lead to. If the wis with other people is ever implemented I can already imagine the mods will have to deal with offensive characters. |

PinkKnife
The Scope Gallente Federation
130
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:20:00 -
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Please learn the definition of the word tranny before using it.
Hint: it is derogatory. |
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1963
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:22:00 -
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PinkKnife wrote:Please learn the definition of the word tranny before using it.
Hint: it is derogatory.
No, it allows my car to shift gears. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
149
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:36:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:According to the lore Cis Gendered pure-blood gallente don't exist. I haven't read this lore, but I think you might be misunderstanding something about it. For starters, sex isn't a "slider" even in real life. People who are actually naturally trans-sexual (hermaphrodites) have partially developed versions of all of the male-specific features as well as the female-specific features. They're not in between, they're a little of both. To use a more colorful example, they are not a color between light blue and pink, but rather they consist of light blue areas and pink areas.
Now, people, don't get all insulted about this. You can feel that sex is a slider if you want, but that doesn't make it true.
Most trans-gendered people, however, are not even hermaphrodites. They are either fully male or fully female, with the possible exception of some hormonal development at very early stages. They might feel they belong more to one group than another, but they will look physically indistinguishable from one of the two sexes.
I do agree that CCP should have included more intersex clothing, esp. clothing that is less form-fitting; and perhaps also clothing that comes in two cuts so that both sexes have the option to look approximately the same. And perhaps when they release more clothing options they will give us things like this.
But I do not think they should waste time trying to support very rare human features that will primarily be abused by people who think it's funny to abuse the character generator. There are too few normal options to add things like that just yet. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |

Cerulean Errant
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:52:00 -
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Methinks he wants to play Second Life instead of Eve, where it can all hang out.
Seriously, though, I thought the main point of this game was to fly and blow up ships in space, not discuss gender politics. |

Cor'byn Black
Black Brigade Mercenary Company
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:15:00 -
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Now comes the question, how does one program a video game to emulate a social and mental construction such as gender and gender identity? It's all in how you portray yourself in communications. And, since our avatars in this game are technically spaceships floating through space, we are all referred to in the feminine (following the tradition that vessels use feminine pronouns).
Cor'byn Black Captain Caldari Cormorant - Class Destroyer 'Exile' |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1794
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:33:00 -
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PinkKnife wrote:Please learn the definition of the word tranny before using it.
Hint: it is derogatory.
"Tranny" is short for "transsexual" which "defines a person whose assigned sex at birth conflicts with their psychological gender." (wikipedia). How is that derogatory? It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1794
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:36:00 -
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Cor'byn Black wrote:Cor'byn Black Captain Caldari Cormorant - Class Destroyer 'Exile' FloppieTheBanjoClown Captain Amarr Vengeance-Class Assau--*BOOM* *ahem* Gallente Proteus-Cla--*BOOM* uhh... Ibis. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

PinkKnife
The Scope Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:08:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:PinkKnife wrote:Please learn the definition of the word tranny before using it.
Hint: it is derogatory. "Tranny" is short for "transsexual" which "defines a person whose assigned sex at birth conflicts with their psychological gender." (wikipedia). How is that derogatory?
Try a non-crowd sourced definition
http://www.glaad.org/transgender
Also, Simply because a definition of a pejorative word doesn't include that it can be offensive, doesn't make it not-offensive. Hang around the GLBT circles and start calling people fags and trannys and see how far that gets you.
Quote:*** may refer to: ***, or ****** (slang), an American English slur for a homosexual or effeminate man.
Surely that means it isn't offensive. |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
156
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:56:00 -
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Forgive me for posting this in a thread in features and ideas, but I fear it needs to be said.
No word or term is derogatory, but people may use it in a statement that is intended to be derogatory, or it may be perceived by a person hearing it to be derogatory. This is completely a factor of intent, and has nothing to do with the word or phrase itself, except by association. Thus banning the word or phrase is effectively ignoring the problem in lieu of a false solution.
Go ahead and be angry that there are people who think it's wrong to be a tranny, but don't for one second think that it's bad for a kind-hearted person to use it as a mere label.
I grew up believing that a transsexual was a person who had undergone gender-swap surgery and was pretending to be and telling others that they are what they aren't. This is not true--a transsexual is someone who's inner gender identity conflicts with their outer sex. I am a transsexual. (it's not trans as in transformation, but more like cis/trans as is used in chemistry)
I also grew up being told that a pedophile is a person who molests or rapes children. This is also not true. A pedophile is anyone who is sexually attracted to anyone who is prepubescent, or in the early years of puberty. The title has nothing to do with any sexual activity, and in fact not only are most pedophiles avoiding sexual contact with children, but there is evidence that a substantially large percentage of child molesters and rapists may not even be pedophiles. Also, being sexually attracted to someone under the age of 18 years who is fully sexually developed is not pedophilia, though some will tell you it is. When I was in my early years of puberty, I believed I was a pedophile. By technical terms I was a hebephile, but considering I was attracted to girls my age and slightly younger, it was completely normal.
And I grew up being told by many people that homosexuality is a choice. It is most definitely not a choice, and it is also not a boolean value. I'm approx. 90% straight and 10% gay. I'll likely never have a fulfilling sexual relationship with someone of my sex because they don't usually have much to offer me. But I'm not saying it couldn't happen.
So in conclusion, I hope you can see why these derogatory attitudes toward such benign things can be very hurtful. It is best to accept alternative ideas and thoughts that don't hurt you, and to not jump to the conclusion that they will hurt you. It is not wrong to be a transsexual, cissexual, a pedophile, an ephebophile, gay, straight, a shade of brown, or whatever other characteristic people are born with and have no choice of. And also remember, it's the intent that counts, not the word! -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1797
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:26:00 -
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PinkKnife wrote:Try a non-crowd sourced definition http://www.glaad.org/transgenderAlso, Simply because a definition of a pejorative word doesn't include that it can be offensive, doesn't make it not-offensive. Anyone can choose to be offended by any term used to categorize them. Every new generation tries to change the words used to describe them if they have the slightest notion those words might have been
I could *choose* to be offended when someone calls me "white", because my skin isn't white and my heritage is far more diverse than is implied by that word. I'm not because I understand that it's the most accurate description of my skin tone without getting far too descriptive for casual conversation. In truth I'm an anglo-irish-franco-german-spanish-african-native-American with a slightly darker skin tone than most non-mediterranean European-descended Americans.
So calling a transgendered person a tranny is an accurate and acceptable term so far as I'm concerned. It's concise and descriptive and obvious as to its origin. Whether it offends anyone in particular...Frankly, I don't care. We've developed a culture where we're expected to know which words are and aren't in style for every given group and are labelled bigots or worse for using the wrong ones. At the same time we use our language to dilute important concepts. Just listen to Carlin's bit on euphemisms for a good example.
You know what offends me? "Human resources". They used to call it "personnel". There was nothing wrong with that term. It accurately described the purpose of the department and didn't have any discriminatory undertones. The only way anyone would be excluded would be if they couldn't be considered a person. But at some point someone decided we needed to a less personal-sounding term and invented "human resources". The new term implies that we humans are simply resources to be consumed. But hey, no one is out there complaining about no longer being persons. They're too busy getting mad about people not using the FOTM word. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Dersen Lowery
Knavery Inc. StructureDamage
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:05:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:[You know what offends me? "Human resources". They used to call it "personnel". There was nothing wrong with that term. It accurately described the purpose of the department and didn't have any discriminatory undertones. The only way anyone would be excluded would be if they couldn't be considered a person. But at some point someone decided we needed to a less personal-sounding term and invented "human resources". The new term implies that we humans are simply resources to be consumed.
Quoted for truth.
Clothing is mostly just a shader applied to the body model, so "fitting" the clothes might not actually be that hard; as shaders, they are fitted by definition. They should still be tested for rendering glitches, of course.
I've always been surprised that there was no makeup for men. First, Gallente; second, if you're going to have WWII fetish clothes, piercings, and freaking aviators (without bomber jackets?! really?), you might as well let people go full goth/glam/Lou Reed/Eurotrash/whatever, whether they're transgendered or not.
As far as gender goes, nobody knows your gender in space; your portrait only shows your sex. So that would come down to character behavior, which can currently only be expressed in chat and on voice comms. |
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
158
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:08:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:PinkKnife wrote:Try a non-crowd sourced definition http://www.glaad.org/transgenderAlso, Simply because a definition of a pejorative word doesn't include that it can be offensive, doesn't make it not-offensive. Anyone can choose to be offended by any term used to categorize them. Every new generation tries to change the words used to describe them if they have the slightest notion those words might have been I could *choose* to be offended when someone calls me "white", because my skin isn't white and my heritage is far more diverse than is implied by that word. I'm not because I understand that it's the most accurate description of my skin tone without getting far too descriptive for casual conversation. In truth I'm an anglo-irish-franco-german-spanish-african-native-American with a slightly darker skin tone than most non-mediterranean European-descended Americans. So calling a transgendered person a tranny is an accurate and acceptable term so far as I'm concerned. It's concise and descriptive and obvious as to its origin. Whether it offends anyone in particular...Frankly, I don't care. We've developed a culture where we're expected to know which words are and aren't in style for every given group and are labelled bigots or worse for using the wrong ones. At the same time we use our language to dilute important concepts. Just listen to Carlin's bit on euphemisms for a good example. You know what offends me? "Human resources". They used to call it "personnel". There was nothing wrong with that term. It accurately described the purpose of the department and didn't have any discriminatory undertones. The only way anyone would be excluded would be if they couldn't be considered a person. But at some point someone decided we needed to a less personal-sounding term and invented "human resources". The new term implies that we humans are simply resources to be consumed. But hey, no one is out there complaining about no longer being persons. They're too busy getting mad about people not using the FOTM word. I am a tranny and I approve of this message.
Dersen Lowery wrote:As far as gender goes, nobody knows your gender in space; your portrait only shows your sex. So that would come down to character behavior, which can currently only be expressed in chat and on voice comms. My character avatar and my voice comms (whenever my stupid mic works) tell people I'm a man. I prefer to think of myself as a woman, but I'm not going to get all bothered when people don't automatically know that. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |

Dersen Lowery
Knavery Inc. StructureDamage
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:21:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Dersen Lowery wrote:As far as gender goes, nobody knows your gender in space; your portrait only shows your sex. So that would come down to character behavior, which can currently only be expressed in chat and on voice comms. My character avatar and my voice comms (whenever my stupid mic works) tell people I'm a man. I prefer to think of myself as a woman, but I'm not going to get all bothered when people don't automatically know that.
And that's kind of the punchline, actually, because if you take away any obvious cues (the different-on-average voices, for instance), what exactly is the difference between the way a man behaves and the way a woman behaves? 90% of people's judgment is going to rest on their socially constructed expectations, which have nothing to do with the way you identify yourself.
I mean, if you wanted to be identified as female (as opposed to identifying yourself as female), you might not say that you prefer to wear jeans and the same pair of sneakers you've had for years, that you hate shopping, and that one of your favorite pastimes is taking a wedge, a maul and an axe and splitting firewood, but that's my wife. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1812
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:13:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:if you take away any obvious cues (the different-on-average voices, for instance), what exactly is the difference between the way a man behaves and the way a woman behaves?. There are some rather significant differences in brain structure between men and women, and that seems to be borne out in our well-document differences in perspective.
For example, men are more likely to compartmentalize thoughts and be objectively dispassionate about things while women tend to connect everything and find relationships between things that men will typically completely miss. This has nothing to do with social order and traditional gender roles...it's evolution. Men benefit from being able to "disconnect" thoughts from their emotions, an important ability when fighting or hunting. Women's brains have evolved for the complexities of child rearing, and then in the more complex social environments of the community that the men were more frequently away from.
Of course all things biological work in degrees, so there are women whose brains work more like men and so on. Any discussion of things such as this have to be qualified with the point that this is a discussion of averages. I stand 185 cm (that's 6'1 for my fellow Americans). I could say that I'm taller than most women and someone can immediately retort that they or their wife or their sister is 190 cm. That one anecdote doesn't change the fact that the average woman in the US is 163 cm, significantly shorter than me. On average men and women do have some significant differences in behavior that seems to hold true across cultures. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
159
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Posted - 2012.06.22 00:25:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:For example, men are more likely to compartmentalize thoughts and be objectively dispassionate about things while women tend to connect everything and find relationships between things that men will typically completely miss. This is perhaps the best explanation I've ever heard for what makes me feel like a woman. Most people who find out I'm straight can't understand why I don't feel I fit in with other men. Well there it is, and I couldn't have described it better myself. And it doesn't really matter that much, it's just a significant factor in forming relationships with people because they expect me to think and act like a man, and I just don't and I never will. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |

Goa Vibe
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:14:00 -
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I think until we can use said gender parts ingame, the issue is irrelevant. |

Bree Okanata
Romex Inc. Dustm3n
18
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Posted - 2012.06.28 08:18:00 -
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Culmen wrote:Seriously CCP.
It offensive that gender is a boolean value. It should be a slider.
If you read the comments regarding this, you will understand why it is a bad idea. EVE players are not mature enough to handle it. No MMO has a mature enough community to handle it. |
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