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Sahara Wildcat
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:34:00 -
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Torfi Frans Olafsson: "You have to eat and sleep. If you're not eating and sleeping, you don't care what's on TV tonight," he said. "We were focusing on things at the top of that pyramid instead of the basics, and now we're doing both."
Does this statement, the creative director Torfi Frans Olafsson project, that in the near future -í-í-á still come back to the development of what was promised back in December of this year, followed by unlocking, door to exit kapsulerov of his close and pretty overexposed cabins, into the unknown labyrinth of mysterious and inviting stations? |

Noriko Mai
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:40:00 -
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Sahara Wildcat wrote:Torfi Frans Olafsson: "You have to eat and sleep. If you're not eating and sleeping, you don't care what's on TV tonight," he said. "We were focusing on things at the top of that pyramid instead of the basics, and now we're doing both."
Does this statement, the creative director Torfi Frans Olafsson project, that in the near future -í-í-á still come back to the development of what was promised back in December of this year, followed by unlocking, door to exit kapsulerov of his close and pretty overexposed cabins, into the unknown labyrinth of mysterious and inviting stations? Where is this from? |

Dorian Mirror
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:42:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:Sahara Wildcat wrote:Torfi Frans Olafsson: "You have to eat and sleep. If you're not eating and sleeping, you don't care what's on TV tonight," he said. "We were focusing on things at the top of that pyramid instead of the basics, and now we're doing both."
Does this statement, the creative director Torfi Frans Olafsson project, that in the near future -í-í-á still come back to the development of what was promised back in December of this year, followed by unlocking, door to exit kapsulerov of his close and pretty overexposed cabins, into the unknown labyrinth of mysterious and inviting stations? Where is this from?
Probably from this interview... http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/06/05/e3-2012-ccp-says-it-wants-eve-to-be-around-in-10-20-30-years/ |

lanyaie
421
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:50:00 -
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uhmm? I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you Currently offering 100% legit hulkageddon security sponsored by the mittani, send 50m to me and 50m to him |

Noriko Mai
442
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:51:00 -
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Dorian Mirror wrote:Noriko Mai wrote:Sahara Wildcat wrote:Torfi Frans Olafsson: "You have to eat and sleep. If you're not eating and sleeping, you don't care what's on TV tonight," he said. "We were focusing on things at the top of that pyramid instead of the basics, and now we're doing both."
Does this statement, the creative director Torfi Frans Olafsson project, that in the near future -í-í-á still come back to the development of what was promised back in December of this year, followed by unlocking, door to exit kapsulerov of his close and pretty overexposed cabins, into the unknown labyrinth of mysterious and inviting stations? Where is this from? Probably from this interview... http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/06/05/e3-2012-ccp-says-it-wants-eve-to-be-around-in-10-20-30-years/ thx. OP should learn how to quote. |

Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:55:00 -
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OP, if you're asking about the WiS content, the answer is "not any time soon(tm)". CCP is currently fixing a lot of the FiS mechanics that have been broken/neglected for a long time in favour of the terrible "Jesus Features" and WiS.
With that in mind, I do recall them saying they have some (many?) of the assets ready to go, and it was also a discussion topic at the most recent CSM summit (Last week?), so more information will be shared in the CSM minutes which will be released in a month or so (though, maybe sooner ... they need to scrub the NDA stuff )
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Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:16:00 -
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Most current hardware is pushed to support one avatar in one room, let alone a cocktail party in the station lounge. I am betting they are shelving WiS to give hardware a chance to catch up, at least as much as any other reason. |

Nyreanya
Astrum Research Pina Colada Armada
135
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:04:00 -
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I'm willing to bet that "getting back to basics" in a spaceship game will have something to do with spaceships, not clothing. |

Marcus Harikari
Guitar Players of EVE
56
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:16:00 -
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Savage Angel wrote:Most current hardware is pushed to support one avatar in one room, let alone a cocktail party in the station lounge. I am betting they are shelving WiS to give hardware a chance to catch up, at least as much as any other reason. Ballroom dancing in jita 4-4, anyone? 0.5 fps |

Price Check Aisle3
78
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:29:00 -
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Sahara Wildcat wrote:Does this statement, the creative director Torfi Frans Olafsson project, that in the near future -í-í-á still come back to the development of what was promised back in December of this year, followed by unlocking, door to exit kapsulerov of his close and pretty overexposed cabins, into the unknown labyrinth of mysterious and inviting stations? No, the door will not be opened anytime soon, which is a damn good thing. |

Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:31:00 -
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Ugh, articles like this really tick me off. Like the interviewer says: "CCP attempted to add bipedal human avatars to its spaceship game last year before being met with organized player resistance that caused the developer to temporarily shelve its grander plan." That is not even close to what happened. Had there been actual content there, instead of a room with nothing to do in it, and perhaps NEX store not implemented in the same patch, things would have been very different. Makes it sound like players were just against avatars for the sake of it, which is bunk, many EVE players myself included want meaningful avatar gameplay and have been dreaming about it for years. Just not at the cost of the rest of the game.
And null being called endgame? Again?! And FW as a stepping stone towards null? Despite tons of people saying they went to FW to SPECIFICALLY ESCAPE all the drama of null sec? Sigh...
And OP, as to the quote about eating and sleeping, I think he just meant to say that they won't be losing sight of the game's core elements this time around, that's all. I don't think he's suggesting anything else beyond that. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
505

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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:37:00 -
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Torfi is likely referring to a psychological theory named Maslow's hierarchy of needs modified to deal with game development. The "basic" needs of humanity - breathing, food, etc (being able to install, log in, fly ships), must be attained before focus or desire of progression up the hierarchy is attained.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs CCP Goliath | QA Director | @CCP_Goliath |
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
89
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:47:00 -
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Marcus Harikari wrote:Savage Angel wrote:Most current hardware is pushed to support one avatar in one room, let alone a cocktail party in the station lounge. I am betting they are shelving WiS to give hardware a chance to catch up, at least as much as any other reason. Ballroom dancing in jita 4-4, anyone? 0.5 fps In micro-gravity? With the women wearing ballgowns? I'm there - even if TIDI hits 10%! Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |

RAP ACTION HERO
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:53:00 -
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as in emoting dress up is low on the hierarchy sad but true |

Jarin Arenos
Card Shark Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:53:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Ugh, articles like this really tick me off. Like the interviewer says: "CCP attempted to add bipedal human avatars to its spaceship game last year before being met with organized player resistance that caused the developer to temporarily shelve its grander plan." That is not even close to what happened. Had there been actual content there, instead of a room with nothing to do in it, and perhaps NEX store not implemented in the same patch, things would have been very different. Makes it sound like players were just against avatars for the sake of it, which is bunk, many EVE players myself included want meaningful avatar gameplay and have been dreaming about it for years. Just not at the cost of the rest of the game. Quoting for emphasis. Incarna was barely even a tech demo. We weren't mad that CCP did something other than a total focus on spaceships (okay, most of us weren't), we were mad because the thing that had been hyped for months was a complete non-event. Worse than that, it was something that bogged down the player experience. This combined with the total lack of respect from CCP caused the uprising and exodus; not the fact that we had pretty avatars now. I still want to see WiS done right. |

Price Check Aisle3
78
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Posted - 2012.06.06 15:56:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:as in emoting dress up is low on the hierarchy sad but true Hot (man with) woman (avatar) on (man with) woman (avatar) action will have to wait...  |

Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
714
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Posted - 2012.06.06 16:09:00 -
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Jarin Arenos wrote:Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Ugh, articles like this really tick me off. Like the interviewer says: "CCP attempted to add bipedal human avatars to its spaceship game last year before being met with organized player resistance that caused the developer to temporarily shelve its grander plan." That is not even close to what happened. Had there been actual content there, instead of a room with nothing to do in it, and perhaps NEX store not implemented in the same patch, things would have been very different. Makes it sound like players were just against avatars for the sake of it, which is bunk, many EVE players myself included want meaningful avatar gameplay and have been dreaming about it for years. Just not at the cost of the rest of the game. Quoting for emphasis. Incarna was barely even a tech demo. We weren't mad that CCP did something other than a total focus on spaceships (okay, most of us weren't), we were mad because the thing that had been hyped for months was a complete non-event. Worse than that, it was something that bogged down the player experience. This combined with the total lack of respect from CCP caused the uprising and exodus; not the fact that we had pretty avatars now. I still want to see WiS done right.
Well said. |

Lipbite
Express Hauler
61
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Posted - 2012.06.06 16:16:00 -
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It seems after NeX failed miserably WiS became taboo for CCP - Olafsson blame avatars for last year player exodus (and not NeX and related / potentially upcoming "pay2win" model with circumcision of EVE economy) thus I wouldn't expect WiS to be reanimated in next 3-5 years (FW was 2008 project and wasn't taboo - took just 4 years to reanimate it).
CCP didn't even implement new clothing on TQ which is available on Sisi for like 8 months already - that much they afraid of WiS. Instead I expect NeX will be boosted. And this is sad. |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
120
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Posted - 2012.06.06 16:19:00 -
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Need to do some meditation about this stuff brb |

DoctorDanny
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2012.06.06 16:48:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Torfi is likely referring to a psychological theory named Maslow's hierarchy of needs modified to deal with game development. The "basic" needs of humanity - breathing, food, etc (being able to install, log in, fly ships), must be attained before focus or desire of progression up the hierarchy is attained. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs
This.
Now please apply Maslov's theory to your own product. I really hope that anyday soon now somebody at CCP will realise that the basic needs of the eve-community are a functioning user interface. User Interface...UI...UI...UI.... got the hint? |

Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
239
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Posted - 2012.06.06 17:12:00 -
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I'm sure WiS will make a comeback one day, but they've still got a ways to go to bring the space game up to scratch.
The reason most people who laughed at Incarna laughed at Incarna (apart from EVE's knuckle-draggers who have no sense of wonder) is because it wasn't multiplayer.
The "vision" of this being the world's greatest all-in s-f game including avatars (and not just WiS but ultimately groundfighting, and even aircraft battle, etc. as well) is still a worthy goal to aim at.
And I'm pretty sure it still is CCP's ultimate goal.
And that makes me happy, and inclined to continue supporting the game. |

Indi Vestor
The Cacophony
2
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Posted - 2012.06.06 18:22:00 -
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I do not get anyone who opposes WIS. The concept was always part of the plan for from as far back as discussions in beta!
It is not some new alien direction the game would in.
As long as they keep up the fixes and add new features to the space part of the game then why the hell shouldn't the game develop?
And those that play eve on atom CPU PC's really can go take a walk, why should people would are too tight to buy a -ú100 or less graphics card stop the game from developing. Even my wifes ancient crappy viao can display the captains quarters. I call bullshit on those that can not run the captains quarters , bullshiting tight fisted tw**s. |

Bossy Lady
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.06 19:03:00 -
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Savage Angel wrote:Most current hardware is pushed to support one avatar in one room, let alone a cocktail party in the station lounge. I am betting they are shelving WiS to give hardware a chance to catch up, at least as much as any other reason.
Or they could be working on optimising the WiS client - one would like to hope. I just bought a new video card, and I don't plan to do that again for 3 years or so.
Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M. |

MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
777
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Posted - 2012.06.06 19:09:00 -
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Savage Angel wrote:Most current hardware is pushed to support one avatar in one room, let alone a cocktail party in the station lounge. I am betting they are shelving WiS to give hardware a chance to catch up, at least as much as any other reason.
dust just got that feature....
I'm pretty sure my pc beats out my PS3 in hardware specs... Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 salesXbox 360: 2.2 millionPlayStation 3: 1.5 millionPC: 500,000 |

Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.06.06 19:10:00 -
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CCP's main flaw seems to be the notion that adding improved versions of the UI (WiS, inventory system) equates that its precursors are obsolete and need to be purged from the system effectively forcing its playerbase to work with the new tools, whether it's desired or not.
Though this is necessary in certain instances, such as changes to the gameplay mechanics where players need to adhere to the same rules in order to create meaningful interaction, that's not always the case.The aforementioned examples of WiS and the new & improved inventory system are clear examples in which the choice ought to be left with the players.
If players desire to continue running the EVE client on their Commodore 64, they should have that option without being forced into the CQ. If they are unfamiliar with the practical applications of Windows Explorer they should still have the option to work with the old inventory system. " Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand, I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
583
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Posted - 2012.06.06 19:46:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:Savage Angel wrote:Most current hardware is pushed to support one avatar in one room, let alone a cocktail party in the station lounge. I am betting they are shelving WiS to give hardware a chance to catch up, at least as much as any other reason. dust just got that feature.... I'm pretty sure my pc beats out my PS3 in hardware specs...
Perhaps that's why Dust got WiS. Everybody expects it on the PS3 to look like crap anyway. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
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